Theories on Chasing Women in Ukraine

[Sting23]

trench needs more than luck at this point.  He needs a complete makeover and a new personality.  Most of the guys here are turned off by the stuff he writes.  Now imagine a lady hearing that from him?

[krimster2]

no I hear what you're saying
but...
it's Ukraine...
so yeah even Trench could find a babe in Ukraine
IMHO

[Sting23]

Trench could find one but once she's in the UK she will have her pick of men.

Trench is right to be worried that any decent guy will be competition for him.  He keeps moaning that a girl will leave him and that attitude will become a self fullfilling prophecy. 

I can imagine him to be a controlling, jealous dude. 

He doesn't want his woman to work, have her own life, interests, freedom.  Completely backwards thinking.  Now you tell me if any woman will settle for that when she finds something better.

[krimster2]

i've been a husband for almost 19 yr
and a father to 2 girls for almost 17 yr
I had to learn A LOT

do you have any idea what it's like to live with 3 women who are "hormonal"
ohhhh the drama!!!
early on I would get angry about their behavior
but I've learned to shrug it off and wait a week

I remember the panic I felt the first time my wife handed me our first born for me to care for
ahhhhhhhhh what do I do
I learned to bottle feed and diaper change at 2 am

if you saw me "going in" you'd say to yourself, how would this guy COPE with a family
but I grew, because I had no other choice
let Trench have his chance to grow
we all deserve to have this

[Sting23]

True you learned on the fly no doubt.  Every person can.  But you sound alot more well adjusted and capable.

Trench can also but he doesn't listen.  So sometimes the only way is to keep making mistakes until you figure out what is wrong and then fix it.

[krimster2]

Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of...
who do the things no one can imagine.”

― Alan Turing

[BillyB]

Trench has a "chance" it depends on his luck

When playing the lottery, I'd rather be lucky than smart. When living life, it's better to be smart than to rely on luck. Lots of good advice here for guys to get smart to where they don't have to rely on luck.

[krimster2]

“I've always thought the best way is to go over for as long as your situation and resources allow”

Yup!!!! can’t beat this approach!!!

“Meeting and dating is just easier than in the West.  “

like 100 times easier!
in Soviet Russia, women pick up YOU!!
you will also have immeasurably more value in Ukraine than your own country because of the economic differential

if dating in Ukraine was a mechanical watch
the economic differential would be the mainspring that makes it tick...
this differential has gotten worse over the past 20 yr

“Some details may change, but I doubt things/people have changed that in 10 (or 20) years.”

of course,
anyone with a tiny bit of experience and commonsense knows this...

[krimster2]

"When playing the lottery, I'd rather be lucky than smart. When living life, it's better to be smart than to rely on luck. Lots of good advice here for guys to get smart to where they don't have to rely on luck."

agreed, but sometimes luck is all you have
there is no guaranteed method for success
all of us at some point have to take the jump
the best of us could fail
and the worst of us could triumph
fate doesn't care about your attitudes or comments or how much money you have
when you spin the wheel of fortune
it just lands where it lands
no ones gets a guarantee to win anything
but if you don't play at all
well then you're guaranteed to lose

[Boethius]

“I can't vouch for other regions of Ukraine,”

you can’t make a conclusion about my experience in one place
based on your experience in a completely different place
sorry, BO

True I can’t, however your comment was about Ukrainian villages in general. You even referred to visiting villages 50 km from Kyiv. I’ve been to some of those villages in the recent past, and there aren’t many young people.

I do agree with you 100% that economic disparity is what drives women to look abroad. 

[krimster2]

haha

in Crimea, a hunter once went to a field in the country to hunt crows
he went to the first big field he found, but no chorny varony, nichy vo
so he went to the next one, same thing, nichy vo
after the third time this happened
he happened to spot this old woman walking down the road towards him
so he asked this staroshka, “eh babushka, gde vse vorony”

she pointed at a large nearby hill and said, “s drugoy storony gory”

so he drove around the hill to the other side
where a field of corn had just been harvested
and there were milliony vorony

the moral of this little story:
you only have to know where and when corn is harvested
to hunt crows

now I leave for your clever mind
the following riddle
if instead of vorony, we were talkin devochki
what would the corn be?

it's so freakin simple...

[Boethius]

So you have no issues with young men hunting your daughters with the "corn" that appeals to your daughters?

[krimster2]

"it's so freakin simple..."

but if I ever told you what it was BO, you would absolutely hate me for how devious and predatory it was on young women
I loved women and would never ever hurt one BO
but when I was in my 30s and 40s I was a sexaholic
and was triggered visually by a woman (which makes Ukraine either a really good place to be or bad one, in my case good...)
in Ukraine and only in Ukraine was it possible for me to structure my contacts with young beautiful women
whereby it was not only in their best interest to have sex with me, but they all genuinely wanted to...
it was a weird alternate universe
it was also paradise...

[Boethius]

You could go to any poor country, and particularly those where moral foundations were destroyed by seven decades of nihilistic principles, and have the same results. 

Isn't it better to look at it from how you would want others to treat you, or your loved ones in similar circumstances?

[krimster2]

“So you have no issues with young men hunting your daughters with the "corn" that appeals to your daughters?”

I have raised my daughters exactly as if they were my sons
taught them to fight, they were never bullied, instead they’re protectors of kids who are
taught the oldest about sex, the youngest isn’t ready yet
both my daughters are on such a high pedestal
that I’d actually LIKE to see the guy who makes it all the way up there
none of the “cadets” as I call them stand a chance with my girls...
so no worries, almost the opposite, afraid they’ll become like me when they’re older

[Sting23]

krimster you dog lol

[Sting23]

don't hate da playa, hate da game.

[krimster2]

“you could go to any poor country, and particularly those where moral foundations were destroyed by seven decades of nihilistic principles, and have the same results. “

absolutely true, but it doesn’t matter why the crows flock to the corn, it just matters that they do..

“Isn't it better to look at it from how you would want others to treat you, or your loved ones in similar circumstances?”

oh yeah, right...
if what I did was wrong BO, why did it feel so good to all the young girls I did it with?
none of them were faking it, trust me on that one...

like I said, I’m a sexaholic I have an uncontrollable urge to do what I do
and when I do it, I experience the most intense physical satisfaction it’s possible to feel...
classic reinforcement mechanism

it was hard to break that cycle
did it for my family
plus getting older less libido now
I’m not Moby

[Boethius]

You know, odd you would use crows in your analogy.  The better half feeds a family of crows, has for about eight years now, and did in Ukraine for even longer.  The crows here know his face, and swoop in front of his car when he is driving home.  He often comments on how crows are better representatives of human ideals than are humans.

You didn't take your libido to Sweden, or Switzerland, or stay in America to quench your thirst.  You went to a country where the male population is practically destroyed, where the population lives in poverty, where women generally just want children and a family life, and many are deprived of that by the condition of society and their male population.  So, whether the women got pleasure or not is irrelevant.  I will concede that some women are not looking for that, maybe 1 in a 100, but most of them are looking for the rhythm of a family life, and you exploited that.  It's using them, whether you see it that way or not.

I'm not saying this as a moralist, but as someone who has seen the desperation there, and the men willing to exploit that.

[Trenchcoat]

Trench could find one but once she's in the UK she will have her pick of men.

Trench is right to be worried that any decent guy will be competition for him.  He keeps moaning that a girl will leave him and that attitude will become a self fullfilling prophecy. 

I can imagine him to be a controlling, jealous dude. 

He doesn't want his woman to work, have her own life, interests, freedom.  Completely backwards thinking.  Now you tell me if any woman will settle for that when she finds something better.

I'm not often a jealous guy nor controlling so much. I have my preferences such as what I prefer a woman to wear though at the moment I am considering a girl that currently does not meet that preference but may meet other preferences of mine.

My questions over the past couple of years has generally been to ascertain the scope of what I am dealing with, with FSU dating. Imagine coming to this having no clue about the scope of FSU dating, about the culture and cultural differences and about how it all works. That was me and what many people here are like starting out on this journey. There is no doubt more learning to do and experience to gain. I'm guessing if all the experience here was put together and further studies made it could even be turned into a year long academic course or a dissertation perhaps.

Some people are happy to get going straight away and never really ask questions. They either learn from experience along the way or it doesn't work out for them and they give up after one or two tries. The not asking questions and the not reading up though I think are usually big mistakes. I would rather look foolish on here with people thing I think backwards or whatever than risk a good relationship and my life go down the crapper through a common mistake I make which I could have known about either by reading up or asking. Some mistakes are going to happen of course and experience in the field helps to improve us on these.

It is true that once a girl is in the UK (or US etc) she will have her pick of man once she is a citizen or permanently legal resident. So I have to be sure she is really inot me on addition to any other motive she might have. It's natural to not to want to be used and to protect ones financial situation however small that may be. In some countries if you don't it can mean dire consequences such as homelessness, starvation  even death. It might do in the UK but most likely it could mean a depressing bedsit somewhere unsavoury.

Most other guys also have to be careful of ending up a mule. Matters can be improved by knowing where you stand and what might happen under certain common courses of action. It can very well it seems be a case of what do you want and what does she want. Guys that let the girl go off and get all she wants without putting first what they want can end up disappointed. There was an Aussies guy on here a few weeks back who wanted children from his woman but because of his finances he put it off and she ended up pursuing a career and then left him with no children to show for it.

Let's face it most men embark on this journey because the competition at home means their access to quality women is limited, even their access to any woman may be limited. A man should only be expected to put up with so much. If all he can get up is below par women who slag around, have numerous mental health issues that make them undateable what is he to do? That's right, try his hand in the FSU. Bring her back home of course and she will be a quality woman that is in demand in the west by most guys. Yes, because most guys that go looking for a girl in the FSU do fall short on either the financial, social, looks, etc side they will be up against it when they bring FSW back to their country, they will likely still have these shortcomings which made them struggle to get a quality girl at home. The only advantage us that she is currently with you, may have already fallen in love with you, be comfortable with you and may not know the language well or society, she may not be aware of what else she can get. Some say a girl will quickly pick up on what else there is, but I reckon there it probably varies a lot depending on the girl and the guys lifestyle. If living in an isolated area or with a lot of old people she may pick up on it a lot less, if not knowing the language well she may pick up on it a lot less, etc.

It's part the reason I have come to realise up to about a girl within the 6-8 category looks wise is about as far as I wish to go. A girl in the 9-10 ie model looks category for me would likely not work out well. Similar for age, a girl in very late twenties to early to mid thirties is likely to be far less risky/more suitable for me. Some guys can go real young & hot but for me I think odds are I would just be used as an immigration mule. I just want a relationship with a decent quality girl who is into me, and preferably have children, that's all.

[krimster2]

“You didn't take your libido to Sweden, or Switzerland, or stay in America to quench your thirst. “
possibly because I’m not an idiot, and know it won’t work there...
or I’d end up like Harvey Weinerstain


“You went to a country where the male population is practically destroyed, where women generally just want children and a family life.  So whether the women got pleasure or not is irrelevant.”

you think I cheated these women?
I gave them exactly “the escape” they wanted
it’s actually the only way this could work
and why it was SO EASY
to me whether the women got pleasure or not was the MOST relevant thing
that’s really the secret of my success...
because I made THEIR pleasure the focus and not mine
mine came later...

I would provide more info, but you would just get offended by it all

[Trenchcoat]

I would provide more info, but you would just get offended by it all

No please go on Krimster! teach, impart, show

[Sting23]

Takes 2 to tango.  People from poor countries want a way out.  If Boethios was born in Ukraine and not Canada she'd want to get out too. 

[Sting23]

krimster i think you found a willing Padawan in Trench lol...

Just don't turn him to the Dark Side hahahha. 

Actually now we know Trench's true intent.

[krimster2]

Trench,
down boy...

here's "BO's Problem"

she married young...
didn't have many relationships in Canada before she went to Kyiv
her first partner became her husband
marriage, committed partner, etc  is the only world BO has experience with...


none of the young girls I met in Ukraine were like BO
but then again, BO is not actually Ukrainian but Canadian