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« Reply #75 on: June 17, 2018, 01:52:22 PM »
For a short time, I actually read the same trash you read. I believed Brexit and Trump was going to lose. After the liberal media duped me, I didn't believe the sky was going to fall for the UK. You apparently still believe the sky is going to fall and need the EU to hold your hand. You need to change the way you're getting educated.

I'm MUCH better educated than you, BillyB - so that was a REALLY daft thing to say ..

Since the UK economy is now recovering more slowly than her EU partners and even the guy who sets the UK govt spending and the Bank of England chief speak of 'UK PLC' being worse off - due to Brexit uncertainty ...  guess what ?  I think I was right ...

The UK IS worse off and you aren't here to see it ...    The UK Conservative Party isn't 'liberal' , soft lad ....  But your 'expertise' on UK / Euro politics is entertaining



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« Reply #76 on: June 17, 2018, 03:16:55 PM »
I think I was right ...


You can think you're right but you don't know if you're right. I'd bet money the UK will be around longer than the EU. They aren't as great as you make them out to be. More nations will be leaving. It's not a question of "if", it's a question of "when".
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« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2018, 01:19:13 AM »
BillyB

From the Bank of England ( independent of the govt.) and others..

Not that the results of trying to leave were in doubt for anyone who had a clue...

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

Brexit barriers could cost households 1k each, report argues - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44511829
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« Reply #78 on: June 20, 2018, 11:42:29 PM »
Well Mobers, looks like the EU withdrawal bill has finally passed through Parliament will become law :D

Yet another Remoan defeat!

All that 'remains' now is the finishing of negotiations with the EU. Hopefully they will now see manoeuvring to keep the UK in the EU by back door methods as a lost cause and they will get on & do a decent deal :)

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« Reply #79 on: June 20, 2018, 11:49:51 PM »
Clueless as ever.... it passed as those seeking reassurance that Parliament....not the govt.  ... would be able to decide the future in the event of a 'no deal' scenario.

Once again, the govt is STILL just putting off the crunch decision.

From politics to dating....FAIL
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« Reply #80 on: June 21, 2018, 05:34:56 AM »
Clueless as ever.... it passed as those seeking reassurance that Parliament....not the govt.  ... would be anle to decide the future in the event of a 'no deal' scenario.

Once again, the govt is STILL just putting off the crunch decision.

From politics to dating....FAIL

Moby 14 of the 15 Lords Amendments were defeated. Even this one was whittled down from what they wanted. The passing of the EU withdrawal bill is the last big hurdle cleared. The House of Lords that was largely pro remain now cannot interfere or intervene any longer, it's played it's hand and lost.

This bill greatly strengthens the government and it moves us one important step closer to Brexit. The EU will now see that there is no majority support to remain in the EU not within the Electorate or in Parliament. They are now likely to be more reasonable about reaching a deal with the UK or risk their already fragile economies decking still further. I'm sorry Mobes but looks like you've lost this one :)

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« Reply #81 on: June 21, 2018, 05:40:36 AM »
Moby 14 of the 15 Lords Amendments were defeated. Even this one was whittled down from what they wanted. The passing of the EU withdrawal bill is the last big hurdle cleared. The House of Lords that was largely pro remain now cannot interfere or intervene any longer, it's played it's hand and lost.

This bill greatly strengthens the government and it moves us one important step closer to Brexit. The EU will now see that there is no majority support to remain in the EU not within the Electorate or in Parliament. They are now likely to be more reasonable about reaching a deal with the UK or risk their already fragile economies decking still further. I'm sorry Mobes but looks like you've lost this one :)


Trench - you are like BillyB - walking on to punches- simply because you don't understand stuff

The Govt had to CONCEDE ...Greive got  most of what he wanted - allowing the 'rebels' to vote with the govt. 

ALL this 'fuss' was over the power the govt wanted in the event of a 'no deal scenario' ..

It is nigh on IRRELEVANT - as I KEEP telling you ..The EU / Govts...   position on the border Q will sort all this out

Is this too hard for you to comprehend

 
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« Reply #82 on: June 21, 2018, 08:04:40 AM »


Trench - you are like BillyB - walking on to punches- simply because you don't understand stuff

The Govt had to CONCEDE ...Greive got  most of what he wanted - allowing the 'rebels' to vote with the govt. 

ALL this 'fuss' was over the power the govt wanted in the event of a 'no deal scenario' ..

It is nigh on IRRELEVANT - as I KEEP telling you ..The EU / Govts...   position on the border Q will sort all this out

Is this too hard for you to comprehend

So you think we're not going to Brexit or we will join/stay in the customs union? Lol

That would mean most of those in the cabinet would turn on Theresa, she would be out. You would need either the Remainers in the Tory party to regain control in a leadership election or the Labour Party to gain control as the result of another General Election.

The ramification if this is what you are driving at would be a likely return of UKIP and a reopening of the Remain/Leave split in the Tory party. Division in the Labour Party now possible also.

The customs union Lords amendment failed in the Commons. Most see it as a bad deal I can't really see that flying.

Staying in the EU that people voted out of and many in Parliament are against with both Article 50 triggered and now the Withdrawal bill passed. I can't see it. I don't know how you can? Perhaps check in with the bookies you would know doubt get good odds and make a lot of money if you were right :)

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Re: EU Issues
« Reply #83 on: June 21, 2018, 08:16:03 AM »
So you think we're not going to Brexit or we will join/stay in the customs union? Lol

I think your question is serious, despite the Lol ..

We have to 'Brexit' - the question is how  - the penny will drop ...

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« Reply #84 on: June 21, 2018, 09:57:41 AM »
I think your question is serious, despite the Lol ..

We have to 'Brexit' - the question is how  - the penny will drop ...

Well there are essentially only three option:

- An agreement on cross border trade & movement of people, the government's preferred option.

- a hard border and possible tariffs.

Or

- a customs union.

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Well, either of the first two options are fine by me. There's much fuss made by UK business about a hard border/possible tariffs but truth is unless the tariff s are Uber steep they are nothing to wealthy companies, they won't stop trade at all they will provide government with the money it needs to finally balance the books.

The DUP will either just have to become realistic if the EU won't do a new trade deal or they will risk being side lined. Now that the EU withdrawal bill had passed they will no longer have as much influence.

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« Reply #85 on: June 21, 2018, 10:06:06 AM »
Trench, if it comes to the DUP choosing a 'hard border' or supporting the Tories - you'll find I was right all along..

This poster realises that all recent events are meaningless as the EU and Her Majesty's Govt have to agree - and that seems unlikely 
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« Reply #86 on: June 21, 2018, 10:29:12 PM »
Another example of the daftness you seek ..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44570931

"Airbus warns no-deal Brexit could see it leave UK"

Financial and Aviation industry decimated ... 'GOOD plan'...
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« Reply #87 on: June 22, 2018, 03:13:28 PM »
Another example of the daftness you seek ..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44570931

"Airbus warns no-deal Brexit could see it leave UK"

Financial and Aviation industry decimated ... 'GOOD plan'...

Why should we let these companies push the buttons of what happens in this country. They shouldn't think they can push us around though as an Irishman perhaps you enjoy it, hey Mobes ;D

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« Reply #88 on: June 22, 2018, 03:27:09 PM »
Why should we let these companies push the buttons of what happens in this country.

They aren't 'pushing buttons'... they are simply stating business FACT, soft lad ....   No investment - until this farce is sorted

This isn't 'Project Fear ' - this is what happens when voters vote like sheep for unrealistic dogma

 
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« Reply #89 on: June 22, 2018, 04:55:23 PM »
Winston Churchill once said something like:  The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute talk with a group of average voters.  Brexit ??
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« Reply #90 on: June 22, 2018, 09:28:33 PM »
I'm not a fan of Churchill - but he had a point..

As ML has previously pointed out - many nations a salivating at the business opportunities the Brits are giving away through this lunacy - the Sky is falling in ... WAKE UP Trenches of this world

Now BMW ..warns ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44582831

BMW joins Airbus in Brexit warning
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« Reply #91 on: June 22, 2018, 09:42:43 PM »
Fact of the matter is Mobe that the UK will be able to make trade deals with other countries more easily than when in the EU. That is worth far more in the long run than the short termism of just a couple of countries.

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« Reply #92 on: June 22, 2018, 10:05:05 PM »
the Sky is falling in


Where was the UK before the EU? They were once the most powerful empire in the world. Now you think you need the EU to hold your hand to keep you from falling. If America joins the EU it would drag us down. Tell your countryman to work harder and nations will want to do business with you. UK may also want to change some laws that aren't business friendly.
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« Reply #93 on: June 22, 2018, 10:09:47 PM »
Fact of the matter is Mobe that the UK will be able to make trade deals with other countries more easily than when in the EU. That is worth far more in the long run than the short termism of just a couple of countries.

Trench - the FACT is you aren't getting the memo - by the time any deals are done - it'll be too late for the likes of Airbus, BMW, etc.,

You should listen to BillyB

He remembers how 'great' the UK was doing before we joined Europe   :deadhorse:
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« Reply #94 on: June 23, 2018, 02:56:41 AM »
Reluctant to bother commenting -- but -- Brexit and Trump era  have much in common ie they will both do irreversible harm to their countries  !!   And take many years to reverse and recover  from the lunacy -after they are gone and reversed.
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« Reply #95 on: June 23, 2018, 03:52:36 AM »
Reluctant to bother commenting -- but -- Brexit and Trump era  have much in common ie they will both do irreversible harm to their countries  !!   And take many years to reverse and recover  from the lunacy -after they are gone and reversed.

The latter is FAR more serious as 'Trampu' could start wars with long-term allies
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« Reply #96 on: June 24, 2018, 11:47:35 AM »
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« Reply #97 on: June 24, 2018, 12:19:06 PM »

Moby, you may want to have a talk with the Italians. They just voted in an anti EU government and the name Italexit has been floating around. Let them know they can't live without the EU holding their hands.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/06/21/fresh-alarm-italy-apostles-italexit-take-control-parliament/
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« Reply #98 on: June 24, 2018, 02:00:59 PM »
Moby, you may want to have a talk with the Italians. They just voted in an anti EU government and the name Italexit has been floating around. Let them know they can't live without the EU holding their hands.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/06/21/fresh-alarm-italy-apostles-italexit-take-control-parliament/

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You might want to stop cutting and pasting from pro Brexit journals  :deadhorse:

I have Italian friends - who are fed up with all the old parties and corruption ..

IF you had a clue - you'd realise that the Italians can't afford to leave the Euro .. the Euro dipped to 1:15 USB and recovering - since wiser heads prevailing

How many times a day do you reckon you can post as daft as you do ?
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« Reply #99 on: June 24, 2018, 02:30:56 PM »
Perhaps Sandro and BC can offer their perspectives, as they both live in Italy.
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