Help! email complications, red flags?

[Photo Guy]

A matter of trust.
Her email today, tells me to send her $100 for her round-trip
train fare from Mariupol to Kiev. Is that amount a scam?
If so, why do my instincts tell me to trust her? I'm perplexed.
Any advice?   Her email:

Hello, my dear Doug!!!!
I am so happy to receive this letter from you!!!! I like your letters too, I like both - to read them and of course write you answers!!!
Please, sorry for not replying to you sooner, but I was very busy with my work! And only today I received an opportunity to come to the agency and write you this letter! Once more I want to tell you that the rose and chocolate was great surprise for me!!!!
I hope that maybe next year we will be together and have a lot of fun during this holiday!

Thank you very much for your understanding as to the tickets! I feel not very comfortable to ask you about this, but I have no other way. Well, I called to the train station and told that both way tickets cost 100$. You can send this money through Western Union, you don't need to have my phone number, you will need only my full name and my postal address! Then they will give you the Money Transfer Control Number and you will write it to me (you may do it through this agency)!
Once more, thank you very much for your understanding!

Dear Doug, I hope that you will receive my postal letter very soon, I included my phone number!:-))) And now I will wait for your postal letter with the greatest impatience!!!!

Doug you can't even imagine how I am, waiting for our meeting! But to tell the truth I am worrying about it! Yes, of course we will be friends after this meeting, but I hope we will be even more!!!!! You know I think it is very early to talk about such things, we should meet and then we will decide everything! Do you agree?

Of course I understood Oksana, she left everything here! And I can only imagine how she misses everything!

Doug, I like our letters because they are full of honesty and trust! We tell everything to each other! And it is very important thing!
I want to talk to you very much, but I am very sorry that I couldn't send you my phone number with this mail! Doug, maybe you will write me your e-mail address in your postal letter and I will try to do something to write you my phone number? Is it possible?

You are right it is very strange, I mean the letter from Tatiana…

Yes, we will meet and it will happen very soon! Can you imagine that we will meet in 21 days????

So, you wrote that you booked two rooms for me and for you on the Independence Square. Do you know the name of the hotel? My interpreter told me that there is a hotel named "Ukraine" on the Independence Square.

We will take many pictures with you and maybe even print them in Kiev!
I want to have our pictures very much!

Dear Doug, how was your tour on Sunday? I am very sorry that you had to
get up at 6…

Well, my dear Doug, I will close my letter on this note and I hope
to hear from you soon!!!

                                Truly yours, Larisochka. :-)))

[Photo Guy]

By the way, my previous email to her, asked her to find out
how much the train would cost her, so that I could send her
the money. Doug  

[in_phoenix]

Hey Doug just sent you something via e-mail.

By the way the reason you feel that you should trust her is because she keeps talking about trust, she keeps talking sweet to you and your mind does not want to believe that you can be fooled.  If you are like me then you are a trusting person, wanting to give the benifit of the doubt to people.  You see people with goodness in them.  Doug, it is almost like brain washing.  Keep reinforcing in every letter about trust, honesty, and telling you things you want to hear, like we will finally be together, we can start a family, I can stare into your eyes.

On a side note, when you get back into town I can take you to a couple of strip clubs where the girls can do that to you while unload your pockets of twenties in about fifteen minutes.  Same effect, same feeling.  If they are any good and if your mind wants you to believe it you will swear that you are the only one and she wants only you.  If she is really good then you will be back next week.  Some of thes girls are doing the same to us, accept they forgot to give us our lap dance.

Like I alread wrote to you....they all talk about trust from like letter number one.  They want you to buy into the concept of trust.  But trust is something that has to be earned it is not something that can be granted.  Someone please tell me how anyone can earn trust through a letter.  You can make someone believe you but that is not trust.

If your local politician wrote you a letter telling you he was going to do all these great things for you would you TRUST him.  Chance are he would do nothing as promissed.  He would have to EARN the trust before he could be trusted.

I just could not put my finger on this when you brought up the trust thread.  I heard a lot of different answers but I now believe that I hit the right answer on the head.

 
Here take this with a grain of salt:

After finding the truth about trust I decided to read a little from Webster:

Per old Webster

Trust - 1 a : assured reliance on the character, ability, strength, or truth of someone or something b : one in which confidence is placed
2 a : dependence on something future or contingent : [size=-1]HOPE[/size][/url][/b] b : reliance on future payment for property (as merchandise) delivered.

Then looking up assured - 3 : to make sure or certain : [size=-1]CONVINCE[/size][/url][/b] <glancing back to assure himself no one was following>
4 : to inform positively <I assure you that we will do better next time>
5 : to make certain the coming or attainment of : [size=-1]GUARANTEE[/size][/url][/b]

[size=-1]Then I looked up convience - 2 obsolete : [size=-1]DEMONSTRATE[/size], [url=http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=prove][size=-1]PROVE[/size][/url]

[color=red, direction=135)">TRUST
someone they would have to
PROVE or DEMONSTRATE
, what the hell did they prove or demonstrate, that they can write letters, that they can fill your head with things that you want to hear???

What did they prove that they were willing to sit there and write a really sweet letter.

How did they clearly show me that they can be trusted?  Just because they said so?

They proved nothing!  They demonstrated nothing.  There is no trust.
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[Bruno]

Doug,

i have make some search about the price of train from Mariupol to Kiev...

A one way ticket is between 10$ and 50$... the 50$ tickey is individual cabin first class with proper material for bed, with breakfeast... the 10$ is a sit place last quality....

I think that for so long trip, the 50$ cabin with bed is a need for the confort of your lady... maybe she ask 100$ because she plan buy a two way ticket... she wish some security... she don't wish stay blocked in Kiev if you don't show yourself of if you push her on the street is the relation don't work...

In short, 100$ is ok for a two way trip by railroad...

A other way for around the same price is possible... more fast and confortable... she take the train between Mariupol to Donestk ( short trip )... and from Donestk to Kiev with plane... the price of intern flight are until 15 April in promotion... a trip is fixed at 150 UAH ( around 28$ ) http://ukraine-international.com/eng/news/lastnews-24

 

[Elen]

In short, 100$ is ok for a two way trip by railroad...

You forgor one more 100$ for her personal interpreter . She just can't go no other way but first class (SV) too:D:D

Really boys you do anything possible to "corrupt" your girls with money nobody asked you about and then wonder with results you get

 

[Bruno]

In short, 100$ is ok for a two way trip by railroad...

You forgor one more 100$ for her personal interpreter . She just can't go no other way but first class (SV) too:D:D

Really boys you do anything possible to "corrupt" your girls with money nobody asked you about and then wonder with results you get

 
[/quote]
Elen, if you have read all the post of Doug, you have certainly read the following...

We've exchanged a few more emails. She has given in and agrees to use the interpreter that I have chosen.

And about the man pay for the woman trip, it is normal... you are in Moscow and earn good money... Galian earn only around 350$ month, not so bad in Ukraine... i think that it is a little up the average income... if she loose 100$ for meet me, she will have some problem for his month budget... for us, 100$ is only some little % of our monthly income... don't ask us to be greedy... woman don't like this...

But now, i know that if i meet you, you pay for the trip...  , i don't wish corrupt you :D:P

[Elen]

you are in Moscow and earn good money.

 

I live in Moscow and used to work at two job to earn good money Also I used to go on that class for what I earned money by myself

And Yes I missed the post about interpreter:?

[deden]

I kind of agree with you and she could probably also consider taking a bus.  Usually much cheaper than the train and sometimes faster.  The other thing, since he dumped the agency interpreter, she'll be traveling alone to Kiev on the train.  Now when I rode the train in first class, you usally bought one of the two bunks unless of course you wanted to pay for both bunks to have the cabin to yourself.  Probably a smart thing to do as otherwise, she would probably be sharing it with someone like me (as there ain't no mens cabin or women's cabin) its two to a cabin whoever buys the tickets and most first class ticket buyers are business men or horndog forigeners (both with money)! Maybe the $100 is to buy both first class tickets to the cabin so she doesn't have to share it with someone like me, and of course the vodka I'd have to share with her?

[TheArrow]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

Thank you very much for your understanding as to the tickets! I feel not very comfortable to ask you about this, but I have no other way. Well, I called to the train station and told that both way tickets cost 100$. You can send this money through Western Union, you don't need to have my phone number, you will need only my full name and my postal address! Then they will give you the Money Transfer Control Number and you will write it to me (you may do it through this agency)!
Once more, thank you very much for your understanding!

Western Union again..... Your girl knows the details about how to send and to get money via Western Union. Sounds strange. Very strange.

Well....... She is not a kind of scam who want to get money from ya. Probably, she just wants to change the country of living.

Sorry for my words. But when I hear the words "Western Union" - it drives me nuts.

[Elen]

Western Union again..... Your girl knows the details about how to send and to get money via Western Union. Sounds strange. Very strange.

I'm sure it was he himself  who learned her how to use Western Union:D

 (If I remeber right Photo Guy mentioned he paid for translation of his letters and his girl said to him once she had not enough time to study English:P)


 

[Bruno]

Western Union again..... Your girl knows the details about how to send and to get money via Western Union. Sounds strange. Very strange.

Well....... She is not a kind of scam who want to get money from ya. Probably, she just wants to change the country of living.

Sorry for my words. But when I hear the words "Western Union" - it drives me nuts.

Why strange ??? Several of us ( man ) who was involved in this process know it very good too... and personaly, i have use it some time to send some money to the parents of my wife... Fast and easy...

I have try banking transfer to Russia... what a BS... a lot of paper here, cannot directly to a account in russia ( problem with SWIF code of bank )... need to work with a bank who have office both in Germany and Russia...

And with the international post mandat, same if i have pay all the cost here in Belgium, they need pay some cost again in Russia before receive the money...

Open your border to your own money, allow import / export of your device... at the level of money, russia is always a closed block...

[Elen]

Ah Stop that at ONCE and let return to the main topic!:X

until somebody from "keepers-this-board-clean-from noncence-off topic- and etc wich's not posted by themselves league " would appear with one more replica to put a shame on you  :D


PS Bruno I'm sure Arrow meant absulutely another thing when she said what she felf  when hear the words "Western Unuion":?

[BC]

PS Bruno I'm sure Arrow meant absulutely another thing when she said what she felf  when hear the words "Western Unuion":?

Guess that feels like fingernails dragging down a chalkboard..

What the heck.. a hundred to find out if it's a scam? quite cheap..

[Bruno]

PS Bruno I'm sure Arrow meant absulutely another thing when she said what she felf  when hear the words "Western Unuion":?

The two other "Western Union" i know are the US and EU :D:D

Stay on topic !!! OK ! Doug, asking money by e-mail ( specialy with western union ) is a red flag... put these woman in trashbin... next one... :?

 

[TheArrow]

PS Bruno I'm sure Arrow meant absulutely another thing when she said what she felf when hear the words "Western Unuion":?

You are right, Elen. I meant most of scammers get money via Western Union.

[Elen]

He is daltonian and can't distinguish red color from green one  (and BTW women are never suffer about daltonism. Scientific proved fact:P)

[TheArrow]

Well....... To pay for good translator, to pay for tickets, to pay for.... whatever.

As for me, for example, I could find $100 to buy tickets and to go to another city for the first meeting in real. Coz none is obliged to buy me tickets if we meet first time in real. The first meeting in real means almost equal rights. You can book a room in the hotel for her. But you are NOT OBLIGED to buy tickets for her. If she goes to the Net cafe, if she has a cell phone - she is ABLE to find $100 to buy tickets.

Sorry, if I sound too sharp-tongued but think logically, please, before doing something or sending money to somebody.

We are running in circles coming back to one important subject - before starting e-mailing to somebody on the Net be sure she is able to speak English even just a little. Be sure that she definitely speaks English (with an accent, of course) by trying to call her. .... Think logically and finish this list with what benefits you will have - no translator, no misunderstanding, the confidence in who you are communicating and NOBODY else reads your e-mails - youst she and you.

[Elen]

You see:? one nice photo tips the scales all your logic

[TheArrow]

Elen, all men are visualits. They will rather put a lot of attention to a pretty face than to think about what consequences they'll have in future.

[in_phoenix]

How long is that trip by rail ....what 2 to 2.5 hours....what the hell she doesn't need a damn sleeping coach.

If she is worried about perverts bunking with her then again sit in the common area.

Damn you Russian women come up with all the excuses.

[TheArrow]

[user=258]in_phoenix[/user] wrote:

How long is that trip by rail ....what 2 to 2.5 hours....what the hell she doesn't need a damn sleeping coach.

If she is worried about perverts bunking with her then again sit in the common area.

Damn you Russian women come up with all the excuses.

Who do ya mean, eh? And whadda ya mean, sorry?

[in_phoenix]

How long is that trip by rail ....what 2 to 2.5 hours....what the hell she doesn't need a damn sleeping coach.

If she is worried about perverts bunking with her then again sit in the common area.

Damn you Russian women come up with all the excuses.

Who do ya mean, eh? And whadda ya mean, sorry?[/quote]
 

aaaahhhhh!

What I'm talking about is the length of the trip by rail to Kiev from the RW home.  If it is only 2 to 2.5 hours then that is not that long of a ride to warrant getting a train car with a bed.  Also if she (RW) is using the money to buy the entire room (both beds) because she (RW) is worried about perverts in the same room then she (RW) should ride in the common area where there is more people in public.

The damn you Russian women part is refering to every time someone comes up with a solution someone keeps coming up with an excuse of why it should not be so.  General comment not necessarily aimed at anyone in particular here.

[Elen]

It's by plane 2-2,5 hour, but train comes out from Mariupol' about at 17:** and arives in Kiev at 10:** next day

[BC]

touche'

[Elen]

BTW I'm lazy to search information in Net but I'm just sure a price for tickes at plane "Mariupol'-Kiev" will be  not much bigger than a price for SV-cabin in train:?