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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2018, 04:42:17 PM »
THis is one step short of  prostitution what you describe.  Yuk..

and of course, has nothing at all in commo with using sex to get a K1 Visa, Green card and becoming a citizen of the USA
nothing at all in common....

« Last Edit: November 12, 2018, 05:15:18 PM by krimster2 »
вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

вот как я могу создать американскую личность
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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2018, 04:49:40 PM »
“ So if girl was not into you then she would not ask for stuff as otherwise you might expect what she doesn't want to give?

this is basically correct

the whole “art” which is something you learn from experience
is to learn when a girl is “open” to you, and how to recognize it
once you do that the rest is easy
my experience is that the majority in Ukraine WANT to have this kind of experience

yes, in UK girls can ask for presents with nothing in return, just like USA
but that does not fly in Ukraine
so this never really caught on there
вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2018, 05:44:22 PM »
“ So if girl was not into you then she would not ask for stuff as otherwise you might expect what she doesn't want to give?

this is basically correct

the whole “art” which is something you learn from experience
is to learn when a girl is “open” to you, and how to recognize it
once you do that the rest is easy
my experience is that the majority in Ukraine WANT to have this kind of experience

yes, in UK girls can ask for presents with nothing in return, just like USA
but that does not fly in Ukraine
so this never really caught on there

Ah good news. Nothing wrong with a girl wanting to whore herself out a little :D So sounds like a case of give her all carrot within reason and no stick.

So how do you know if a girl you want under this type of set up will remain loyal?

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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2018, 06:22:31 PM »
"So how do you know if a girl you want under this type of set up will remain loyal?"


in what way?
there's generally never any competition in Ukraine
and as long as you pour the wine
they will drink it...

it's opposite land in Ukraine
she's the one who will feel insecure
not you

you have to deal with other problems
like if they try and trap you by getting pregnant
and how to back out of a relationship you no longer want to maintain

this kind of relationship can have a future if you let it
in my case these girls were WAY to young for anything other than "sport"
in the end the right thing to do was to throw them back into the sea
and it's what I did, first time was done with a LOT of tears, but I got better at it
and THEN
the woman I was chasing
CAUGHT ME!!!






вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2018, 09:29:29 PM »
Ah good news. Nothing wrong with a girl wanting to whore herself out a little :D So sounds like a case of give her all carrot within reason and no stick.

So how do you know if a girl you want under this type of set up will remain loyal?

I think I got where Trenchie is going wrong ... do you link the tosh you write about women here  to the women you might ( briefly ) chat to ?

It seems you are in contact with the woman you deserve ..


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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2018, 10:17:42 PM »
Trench,

I got Angel Eyes to fall in love with me. That is a step you are trying to bypass. I talked to
Angel Eyes extensively every chance I could which is another step you are trying to bypass.
You won't find a girl like Angel Eyes because you can't skip steps with good girls. They will
kick you to the curb and move on. The girls who are left aren't the ones you would want. 

Put your index finger on your forehead and then you will have identified the problem.


+100

Trench there are two ways.

1. You buy women and sex, the way krimster does. Prostitution slightly modified
2. You  have enough humanity in you to actually interest a woman beyond your wallet and have her fall in love with you, like bill did.

You can not afford #1 and sure as hell are not capable of getting a woman fall in love with you.

Forget it this is not gonna work, certainly not long term.
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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2018, 03:02:19 AM »
"So how do you know if a girl you want under this type of set up will remain loyal?"


in what way?
there's generally never any competition in Ukraine
and as long as you pour the wine
they will drink it...

it's opposite land in Ukraine
she's the one who will feel insecure
not you

you have to deal with other problems
like if they try and trap you by getting pregnant
and how to back out of a relationship you no longer want to maintain

this kind of relationship can have a future if you let it
in my case these girls were WAY to young for anything other than "sport"
in the end the right thing to do was to throw them back into the sea
and it's what I did, first time was done with a LOT of tears, but I got better at it
and THEN
the woman I was chasing
CAUGHT ME!!!

Why would they want to trap you by getting pregnant? Wouldn't they be afraid of being left high & dry particularly if you're a foreigner? Single motherhood is apparently a hard way of life in Ukraine I hear, i.e little state hand outs.

If you took her out of Ukraine could there be difficulty her remaining loyal under such arrangements of quid pro quo? It's surely only a matter of time until she realises how much of an upper hand women have in the west?

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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2018, 08:40:28 AM »
PitBully,

YOU’RE going to talk about Love?....
hahahahahaha
well, hey, at least you’ve moved past your unhealthy obsession with my daughters

LOVE
an intense attraction that involves the idealization of the other, within an erotic context, with expectation of enduring into the future

sure, ok...

been there...
done that...
got the T-shirts, in fact a closet full of ‘em...

this happens automatically whenever a woman moves in with me
I get all the “warm and fuzzy feelings” as well
the shared intimacy
they ALWAYS do their best to be pleasing 

the gift of receiving love
is greater than the gift of giving love
I hand out my share of gifts
because I know I will not be empty handed
and will end up with far more
than what I handed out

i’m not a moralist
i’m not a romantic

i’m a pragmatist
i do what works

my results speak for themselves
so I really don’t need to
let the haters hate
I just laugh at ‘em



Trench
a UW if she is desperate to hang on to you
will use EVERYTHING at her disposal to “chain you”
including getting pregnant
take the obvious precautions
even if she says she’s using birth control
as far as the longevity of the relationship is concerned
that’s up to you
I’ve never had a UW “dump me”
it was always up to ME to determine when a relationship should end

IMHO, i believe a part of that is the age difference
I was 20 yr older than most of my UW girlfriends and 15 yr older than my wife

they ALL had really tough lives, abusive alcoholic fathers
while, I on the other hand, was incredibly sweet to these young women

so of course, my relationship has an element of “daddy issues”
I picked up on this immediately

I was very patient and nurturing
I had them totally “eating out of my hand”

I am a Ukrainian Woman whisperer
once you have a Ukrainian Woman’s lips teasingly take a cookie from your fingers
it means you can do ANYTHING you want with them, later that evening

and keep doing it for as long as you want

« Last Edit: November 13, 2018, 12:05:11 PM by krimster2 »
вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2018, 12:27:17 PM »
"If I like a woman, I have a meaningful relationship with her."


that is DEEPLY profound
sounds like a nice Cary Grant movie that you watch on Bingo night

will you ever be able to forgive me for being different from you
cuz when you distill your argument
it comes down to the fact that you went one way
and I went another way

I am totally happy with the way I went
and would NOT want to go the way you went
but if YOU are happy with what you did
that's ALL that matters
and doesn't matter what anyone else thinks
however, this applies to me as  well
I made different choices from you
I'm VERY happy with the results

and repeat
it ain't brag if it's fact


« Last Edit: November 13, 2018, 12:49:01 PM by krimster2 »
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What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2018, 12:57:42 PM »
You could well be right there Bill, I normally ask about the usual stuff, hobbies, Interests,
family, holidays, pets, etc, etc but I don't think I often get deep enough with many a
subject or the girls life in general. I quite often start running dry of stuff to say/ask
quite possibly repeating myself of trying to rack my brain for something we haven't
talked about yet.

I am writing this so that newbies can get something out of it and answering your
questions generically, because you will totally twist or misconstrue whatever I say
to something else.

First you sort through the girls to find one that you are really interested in. Seriously
try not to just pick the hottest girl who responds to you. Find the one who you sorta
click with, one who smiles when you say things, that sort of girl.

Why did I say to sort first? Because it's silly to talk to a girl about deeper things when
it's likely you aren't going to meet and give it a try.

Remember many moons ago when I told you to make a list of what you want? and a
list of what you don't want. The purpose of making a list is so that you focus on finding
and identifying the girl for you because men, left to their own caveman devices will just
go after whoever the hottest or sexiest girl is.

What's wrong with that? If you make a selection solely on the basis of looks you are
ignoring all the stuff that makes a relationship work.

What things annoy her? What things annoy you? What will you do when you disagree?
Look at the title of the thread, what will you each do when you both don't want to back
down? Will it be pistols at thirty paces? Do you want to wait until this happens (because
it will) or do you want to discuss it now and lay out some ground rules and rules of
engagement so that you don't find yourself in a divorce attorney's office with a fork
stuck in your eye.

What are your theories on children? Do you want 11, with 4 boy and 7 girls? Who
is in charge of the discipline? What should the discipline be? Do they stand in the
corner until age 8 then get grounded until age 17? What crime gets what punishment?

What happens if an existing child talks back to her? or to you? What do existing children
call you or her? Are you Daddy? or are you just the ATM? What happens when a child
gets bad grades? or plays with their phone rather than do their school work? What happens
if a child says you are lying about something? Children are experts at creating wedges
between parents and step parents.

There will be arguments when you are 100% innocent. She thought you said X when you
actually said Y but she didn't understand one of the important distinguishing words and
context that you used so she assumed the worst.

What food goes into the refrigerator? What food goes into the cupboards? Think this is
trivial? It's not. What will you do if she is popping grapes into your mouth while talking
about her day, then without warning you get a chunk of raw bacon popped in. It's
happened to me.

There are ten thousand things to discuss and then if you can't think of another ten thousand
immediately then somethings wrong.

I was married before and I was miserable. When I got my divorce I decided that I wasn't
going to marry any woman again. I was going to marry THE WOMAN for me. How do
you find the woman is that you look for her until you find her, and then you win her
heart. 


New thread topics suggestions:

How do you avoid feeding your inner natural caveman? 
How do you find the girl?
How do you win her heart?
How do you become a man of action?


Getting to a place where I feel I really know the girl her inner life and somewhat connected
to it is I think a hurdle I haven't jumped over yet with a FSW. How to do this I haven't been
quite sure other than spending time where she lives.

FSUW want a man of action. If you think that this girl might be the girl get on a plane you
live in Europe for crying out loud.

Notice how I worded that sentence above. "If you think this might be the girl." 
I didn't write if "you know for sure this is the girl." It better to jump on a plane a
day too soon rather than a day too late.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2018, 01:13:02 PM »
Krim, aren't you worried your wife will come across these posts?.... Given the animated Bunny ears and smart phone,  you must have hooked up with this girl recently.

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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2018, 01:32:40 PM »
nope not worried
she's seen the pic
the pic is actually pretty old
girl is now married and lives in Italy
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вот как я могу создать американскую личность
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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2018, 01:49:12 PM »
Krim, aren't you worried your wife will come across these posts?.... Given the animated Bunny ears and smart phone,  you must have hooked up with this girl recently.

Davo

According to Krim he sleeps around and uses prostitutes and his wife is fine with this :)
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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2018, 02:32:16 PM »
Ah good news. Nothing wrong with a girl wanting to whore herself out a little :D So sounds like a case of give her all carrot within reason and no stick.



OMG...
Kaplah!

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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2018, 03:10:16 PM »

OMG...

This is classic Trenchcoat.  There must be a quid pro quo if he's going to part with cash.  On his last trip, he declined buying his date a package of cigarettes, which would have set him back a whole US$1.25, when he decided she was not for him. 


ETA - No google was used to compose this post.
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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2018, 03:41:22 PM »
This is classic Trenchcoat.  There must be a quid pro quo if he's going to part with cash.  On his last trip, he declined buying his date a package of cigarettes, which would have set him back a whole US$1.25, when he decided she was not for him. 


ETA - No google was used to compose this post.

There was more too it than that, if you had Googled it then you would have been reminded of that.

A). She lied about how much the taxi had cost her. She said it cost her 200 UAH, for a local on the outskirts of Lviv it would have been more like 50 UAH and she probably did not live even that far out.

B). She demanded that I buy her cigarettes despite my objection. She then asked the waiter to reserve the table while we, i.e 'I' get her the cigarettes.

C). I don't like smoking, if she had cigarettes already and wanted to smoke I would have put up with a bit of it so long as ghe cigarette was not poked in my direction.

So all in all she hit enough of points on my 'no' list  for my to decide that it would be a relationship that would not work. Her instructing me what I would be doing and then making it look I has no choice was thd final straw. I'm not that weak.
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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2018, 03:52:34 PM »
In other words, you felt abused over, at most, $6, including the cigarettes.

No google was used to compose this post.

It was not the cost, it was the lie over how much the taxi cost. On its own not necessarily a deal breaker but added to the other two issues it meant she was not the one for me.

Besides what's all this thing with not using Google?

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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2018, 04:49:08 PM »
"It was not the cost, it was the lie over how much the taxi cost"

that was a GOOD call on your part Trench
never be with a UW who lies to you
without trust there is nothing
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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2018, 09:12:58 AM »

"It was not the cost, it was the lie over how much the taxi cost"

that was a GOOD call on your part Trench
never be with a UW who lies to you
without trust there is nothing

It was a good call to not take the relationship further.  However, it was not a good call to say figure out your own way home, or to deny her a package of cigarettes.

This post was composed without the aid of google.



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What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2018, 10:11:25 AM »
It was a good call to not take the relationship further. 

+1

However, it was not a good call to say figure out your own way home,
or to deny her a package of cigarettes.

She arrived to see him, I agree he should have paid to send her home.
I disagree about that he should have spent time or money trying to get
her cigarettes.

Once he made the decision, the sooner she was in a taxi the better. I don't
see how looking for or buying cigarettes as being productive or useful in
any way.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

I used Google Chrome to access the internet and open this page.
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
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Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2018, 10:43:39 AM »
IIRC, they were having a drink, so purchasing a pack of cigarettes from the bar would not have been difficult, and would have set him back a whole $1.25.

I use Firefox, however, not my point. ;)


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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2018, 11:32:36 AM »
Hey,

If this were an A-Date gal, she would have had Trench go to get her cigarettes so she could have a private conversation to confirm with the waiter that the restaurant was charging extra money as a kickback to the girl for bringing him there.

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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2018, 02:11:25 PM »
It was a good call to not take the relationship further.  However, it was not a good call to say figure out your own way home, or to deny her a package of cigarettes.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

Its her city! I was the one who wasn't that familar with the place! Lol.

In my defence I bought her a couple of drinks. It was supposed to be just one but then she pushed that a bottle of wine would not be much more for me than a couple of glasses. She then ordered a strawberry milkshake on top and mixed some of the wine in. Couldn't fathom how that would end up tasting :-\ I had a couple of glasses from the bottle. All in all I would say she got enough out of the meeting as it was already.

If I had given her money for the taxi I'm sure she would have been pressing for 200 UAH. I wasn't going to even get into the slippery path of negotiations on that. Odds are she probably didn't even get the taxi there anyway, may have even walked. She walked up to me so if she got a taxi it dropped her off away a bit. The fact that she lied about the cost off it and seemed to be trying to dictate to me what she would get just made me want to bail quick from the situation. Other than that she was slim and reasonably attractive looking, we talked ok a bit, but I don't think she was the one for me.

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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2018, 02:15:34 PM »
Oh, heavens!  What did that bottle of wine set you back?  US$3?  $4?  If it was a local wine, it would be about $1.  The milkshake was probably about $2, maximum. 

You didn't have to give her 200 hyrvnia, but you should have given her enough to take a cab home. You asked her out.

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Re: What to do if she won't back down?
« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2018, 02:54:17 PM »
Its her city! I was the one who wasn't that familar with the place! Lol.

In my defence I bought her a couple of drinks. It was supposed to be just one but then she pushed that a bottle of wine would not be much more for me than a couple of glasses. She then ordered a strawberry milkshake on top and mixed some of the wine in. Couldn't fathom how that would end up tasting :-\ I had a couple of glasses from the bottle. All in all I would say she got enough out of the meeting as it was already.

If I had given her money for the taxi I'm sure she would have been pressing for 200 UAH. I wasn't going to even get into the slippery path of negotiations on that. Odds are she probably didn't even get the taxi there anyway, may have even walked. She walked up to me so if she got a taxi it dropped her off away a bit. The fact that she lied about the cost off it and seemed to be trying to dictate to me what she would get just made me want to bail quick from the situation. Other than that she was slim and reasonably attractive looking, we talked ok a bit, but I don't think she was the one for me.

Somehow I see Trench asking for a receipt from the taxi, notice it is 198,70 UAH, then counting out the money.  195,197,198...go to the waiter to change a 1 grivna note for some coins...198,70!   And then expect some sort of gratitude from the girl that is worth 198,70 grivnas...


 

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