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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2019, 12:05:15 PM »
Lyndon less hard on trench he speaks the truth about personality types.  Uk and f s u have totally different mind sets.  Treat a f s u woman right she will treat you right.  Uk women have been force fed feminism and tend to be just plain horrible.  Polish women are nice too.  The educational level of your average UK woman is so much lower than fsu women


Do you not find it strange that you're the only person that seems to agree with him about anything? Bear in mind that almost everyone here has also been to FSU, Mob, John Gaunt and I live in UK...so you're not kidding anyone.


If you've had an unsuccessful marriage and keep stringing together a succession of badly failed relationships, do you not think you might need to change your outlook too? Everyone is entitled to have relationships not quite make it but given the questions you're asking here, and based on the history you've described, it can hardly come as a surprise...

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2019, 12:08:30 PM »
In Ukraine and Belarus  I noticed a lot of 20s year old guys chasing 20s year old women.  Once the woman has a child and gets divorced she's offered affairs by married men or a sex relationship with a single guy but he will see her child as a hindrance he s unlikely to play step father

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2019, 12:10:15 PM »
Most of the guys you mention are both reasonably old and out of date.  The world has moved on.

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2019, 12:12:05 PM »
I guess what I was asking is how is the woman I'm potentially dating is living well in the Ukraine yet is not working which I guess means she's a bit dodgy

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2019, 12:15:02 PM »
Tend to agree with you trench.

If you find a good girl and win her heart then you have nothing to worry about.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2019, 12:31:13 PM »
Also lyndon the only time you can say you were successful with a woman is on your death bed looking backwards. I 've spent the day with 2 of my friends and a platonic female Latvian Russian friend so I can do normal.   But a grey eyed Ukrainian floats my boat they are just so  fun loving

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2019, 12:34:48 PM »
That's what I mean when I say on this forum if you take a girl back from the FSU who is an 8-10 she isn't going to last long. People say I'm paranoid but the truth is unless you're on your guard loads of guys will be hitting on her.


Trench you really don't know what you're talking about. If a girl from the FSU is an 8 plus the guys will hit on her in London, in Moscow, in Minsk, in Kiev, basically anywhere in the FSU. If the guys are hitting on her in the FSU they're going to be doing the talk in the local lingo which you don't speak so you won't know what's going on.

At least if you're dating someone back home you understand the language and know how the routine for dating goes. Basically in the FSU you know next to nothing. 

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2019, 12:35:59 PM »
The lady or the tiger?
remember this old fairy tale?
This is the story of EVERY woman you meet!
which one will she be; lady or tiger
the one to love you or the one to destroy you?

you want to know the truth?
it comes down to luck...
but there are definitely things you can do to INCREASE your chances of winning

as I unsuccessfully tried to explain earlier
looking at Russian women with western glasses can sometimes give a distorted picture
you may need to try a new prescription for your optiks

but, there is this to think about...
trust is the essential ingredient
if you cant learn to trust her
then you could NEVER have a permanent relationship with her
I DO HOPE you understand this!

my advice
turn down the paranoia meter, until you have incontrovertible proof she is lying to you
if she lies to you, say das vas danya baby
but meanwhile be patient and optimistic and give it time
and communicate as much as possible...
it's a lot of "give and take" for you both
and you need to learn each others communication style

вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

вот как я могу создать американскую личность
Я могу взять напрокат

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2019, 12:43:08 PM »
Dave ny you are partly correct but UK guys can give her a different experience .  Russian guys can be subservient behind closed doors and tend to be a bit samy and can often be really boring and selfish in bed. 

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2019, 12:47:27 PM »
I guess what I was asking is how is the woman I'm potentially dating is living well in the Ukraine yet is not working which I guess means she's a bit dodgy

I would say it is likely that she is dodgy, sometimes there is a reasonable explanation as she may have been made unemployed since she bought the nice stuff. Odds are its from other guys, agency money, etc. You could ask her but unless she gives you a detailed response I would be cautious. Also you could see how her personality comes across on messages and try & judge how sincere she is. At any rate could be a good learning exercise.

I've never yet met a FSW through a dating website that was real dodgy. They were all sincere enough but they all had an issue that proved to be a problem in terms of long term relationship with them. Looking back, the big point is this: if I knew more about the indicators of these issues and looked harder at the detail of what the girls said in their messages (and perhaps photos) I would have noticed the issues I encountered.

So I think the signs are often subtley there of girl with issues as the girls personality can seep these clues over time perhaps even unoticed to herself. Do keep a keen eye our and try and pick up what you can I think.
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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2019, 12:56:14 PM »
It's the English tea and choclate she eats .  yet I'm the first UK she has ever spoken to.

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2019, 12:56:47 PM »
Seriously starting to think Trench and James are incarnations of someone's schizophrenia. Too many generalisations about FSU men, UK men and 'red flags'. Trench's theorising has become nauseating.


James, it seems like you're easily swayed when it comes to jumping into bed with any lady who flutters her eyelashes. If you just want to go out and bed tons of women, be honest with yourself about it.

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2019, 01:01:37 PM »
Treat a f s u woman right she will treat you right.

The FSUM I know whose wives were cheating on them would disagree with you.

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Uk women have been force fed feminism and tend to be just plain horrible.  Polish women are nice too.  The educational level of your average UK woman is so much lower than fsu women

BWHAHAHA.  Only because UK women don't print fake degrees.

In 2012, the mayor's office in L'viv was embroiled in a scandal after a false diploma was discovered.  So, they asked everyone working for the city government to produce their diplomas.  The next day, 85% of the work force didn't show up.

A Ukrainian can purchase a diploma for anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000 hyrvnia (2018 numbers).  For a physician, between US$250 and $450.  The diploma can even even be registered at the university, as an extra precaution.

An elected official in the Verkhovna Rada has had a criminal case opened against him, after he claimed to have a degree from the Kyiv National Economical University, and that he was a member of the Ukrainian Academy of Sciences (which doesn't really exist).  Natalia Korolevska, a "well educated" Ukrainian Rada member, claimed to have a degree from the International Institute of Management, Business, and Law.  In reality, she is a high school drop out.

There have been at least a dozen members of the Rada that have been investigated for fake degrees.  By Ukrainian estimates, every tenth person elected to the Rada - the highest governing body in Ukraine - has a fake diploma.  The number of Ukrainian bureaucrats with false diplomas is practically uncountable. 

The better half says, about the "advanced" level of Ukrainian education "You have to be a complete idiot to believe in this fairy tale." 

Most of the guys you mention are both reasonably old and out of date.  The world has moved on.

lyndontom is more than a decade younger than you.  I suspect John Gaunt is younger than you as well.  Lyndontom is unmarried, so his information on dating is still current.  His experiences are different from yours only in perception.  John is married, but not so long that his information would be "out of date". 

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« Last Edit: January 20, 2019, 01:09:05 PM by Boethius »
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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2019, 01:02:28 PM »
Dave ny you are partly correct but UK guys can give her a different experience .  Russian guys can be subservient behind closed doors and tend to be a bit samy and can often be really boring and selfish in bed.


How many Russian men have you slept with to make this definitive statement?


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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2019, 01:02:38 PM »
Dave ny you are partly correct but UK guys can give her a different experience .  Russian guys can be subservient behind closed doors and tend to be a bit samy and can often be really boring and selfish in bed.

You must know an entirely different group of Russian men than I do. I don't know too many Russian men who are subservient to their wives and/or g/fs. In fact, that's one thing most RM are not known for, being bossed around by their women either in public or in their homes.

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2019, 01:07:54 PM »
Your posts are JUST like sting123 .. - He posted with sweeping generalisations, too

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2019, 01:09:38 PM »

How many Russian men have you slept with to make this definitive statement?


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+1. How do people, even those that claim to have spent significant time in FSU and with people there, support such stereotypes?

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2019, 01:13:25 PM »
I would say it is likely that she is dodgy, sometimes there is a reasonable explanation as she may have been made unemployed since she bought the nice stuff. Odds are its from other guys, agency money, etc. You could ask her but unless she gives you a detailed response I would be cautious. Also you could see how her personality comes across on messages and try & judge how sincere she is. At any rate could be a good learning exercise.
More Trench Mumbo jumbo.....
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I've never yet met a FSW through a dating website that was real dodgy.
Hmmmmm.....lets see, how many FSUW have you actually met?
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They were all sincere enough but they all had an issue that proved to be a problem in terms of long term relationship with them.
Methinks the only issue that proved to be a problem was and still is.....you.
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Looking back, the big point is this: if I knew more about the indicators of these issues and looked harder at the detail of what the girls said in their messages (and perhaps photos) I would have noticed the issues I encountered.
The biggest point is, it doesn't matter what you think you know. The fact remains that you are a 40 something poverty stricken bloke with no experience of women in your own country who has some utterly idiotic and eye wateringly foolish ideas about women in general who isn't going to 'get' with a woman from anywhere, anytime soon.
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So I think the signs are often subtley there of girl with issues as the girls personality can seep these clues over time perhaps even unoticed to herself. Do keep a keen eye our and try and pick up what you can I think.
More Trench bollocks.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2019, 02:10:28 PM by John Gaunt »

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2019, 01:14:01 PM »
Actually I'm talking about Belarus and Ukrainian men and obviously I'm hearing this 3rd hand.  As I've said before never ask a deer how to hunt a deer so who knows if I'm being told the truth.

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2019, 01:18:20 PM »
Of course you're not being told the truth.  "Oh, Jamesukjames, you're the best lover I've ever had.  UM are selfish lovers who are just boring.  No UM has ever taken me to the ecstasies you have."

Yup, no serving up to the (British) male ego there.

As with another poster long ago, who posted how FSUW were much better lovers than the AW he'd encountered, and that he'd been told FSUM were duds in bed, I asked, how did FSUW become so great in bed if their men are duds? 

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2019, 01:19:06 PM »
Boethius thanks for the heads up about fake Ukrainian qualifications

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2019, 01:20:58 PM »
As I've said before never ask a deer how to hunt a deer so who knows if I'm being told the truth.


I think you are misguided in this statement.  Who better to know what will work on a deer, or whether a deer is honest, than another deer?


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« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2019, 01:21:08 PM »
So what's a man supposed to do go out for meals and cinema with his kids and sleep alone. 

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2019, 01:23:06 PM »
No, but it all depends on what you are looking for.  If you are looking for a warm body for your bed, then your approach works.  Just don't expect loyalty or love.

If you are looking for a good woman who will love you and be a good wife, then you are going to have to change your approach.  Bill gave you some good advice.  Other men here who are in LTRs, such as John Gaunt and msmob, who also happen to have brought their wives to the UK, could also be good sources of information on adjustment to a new culture, what to watch for, etc.  I am certain I'm missing some, just thinking of the ones posting on this thread.

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Re: fsu dating advice please
« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2019, 01:33:00 PM »
Also I guess I was given a big slap by my last relationship  42 days together in 90 days of knowing each other yet she was 2 timing me with someone she'd been having a sugar daddy relationship with for 10 years and id never have guessed except for me seeing her phone.

 

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