Why RW marry abroad?

[Gator]

This statement, “Women reach their expiration date at about 35” shows that men who post here can not be placed in the same category.   We differ from each other in remarkable ways.  All women listed with agencies are not the same either.  There are many good women with agencies.

How many men feel that way about 35.  For RM the threshold is 30.  I suppose such is acceptable if a man is in his early 40s, yet it still seems shallow. 

After romancing RW in their 20s, 30s and 40s, I discovered that those around 40 are the most enjoyable.  Many have a hard body, and some even have my dream combination of brains, sense of humor, and hardwired to speak Pravda.   They crave a good man, and when they find one, they give him all they have (when did you last receive such from an AW?).

Their wisdom and generosity gained through age more than compensate for a tilt to the breasts.   Plus they know what they want.   As an example, their age requirements are stricter than their younger sisters.  I suggest that guys in your 40s and 50s try a couple of these gems on your next trip.   Compare them with your 20-somethings with your eyes closed.

[Gator]

Another "Andrew" woman.

[TexasBoar]

Gee, Gator, wonder where you found those? 

There's little I find gayer than men concerned with other men's physical attractiveness . . . wtf is the point? Are you jealous? Insecure? Trying to prove you're not one of those guys by mocking them online?

I know at least half a dozen smokin' hotties who prefer a big ol' slab of guy like that second pic to a stickboy, btw.  (and the first one's an obvious Photoshop, of course) But what business is it of ours?

Everytime this subject comes up, I think the participants have spent WAY too much time perusing porn, where everyone's a hardbodies art project, and much too little time in the real world, where even the hotties don't REALLY look like the airbrushed centerfolds hidden under their mattress.

~Boar

[PeeWee]

Peewee if you want to increase your undrstanding of women have one as a best friend.  The next thing to do is to realize that men and women want the same thing.  Reading a moron is not going to help just like having a highly paid terp to prevent you from stepping on your dick will not help you in marriage.

I don't think that it is in my make up for me to have a woman as my best friend. That is what guys are for and male bonding and all of that. If I wanted to be woman or woman like then,  yes, perhaps I'd take a woman as my best friend. Beyond that I very much think that I know all I want to know about women. Women is not a subject that I want to make a life study of. Men and women do not what the same thing. Men want sex and women want love. Men will profess love to get sex. Women will give sex to get love. Very different objectives in my opinion.

You are sounding a little "Metro-sexual" here, Christopher. Nothing wrong with that but that is not me. I sensative guy I am not. I have invested far too much of my time studing the philosophies of guys like John Wayne...the Duke...to want to turn myself into a Woody Allen sort.

Peewee

[PeeWee]

This statement, “Women reach their expiration date at about 35” shows that men who post here can not be placed in the same category.   We differ from each other in remarkable ways.  All women listed with agencies are not the same either.  There are many good women with agencies.

How many men feel that way about 35.  For RM the threshold is 30.  I suppose such is acceptable if a man is in his early 40s, yet it still seems shallow. 

After romancing RW in their 20s, 30s and 40s, I discovered that those around 40 are the most enjoyable.  Many have a hard body, and some even have my dream combination of brains, sense of humor, and hardwired to speak Pravda.   They crave a good man, and when they find one, they give him all they have (when did you last receive such from an AW?).

Their wisdom and generosity gained through age more than compensate for a tilt to the breasts.   Plus they know what they want.   As an example, their age requirements are stricter than their younger sisters.  I suggest that guys in your 40s and 50s try a couple of these gems on your next trip.   Compare them with your 20-somethings with your eyes closed.

Let me point something out here. I met an RW by an introduction from an RW who I met on the forum, I forgot the name of it, where RW post or chat with one another. She now living in the US her American husband thought that I would be a good match for her friend still living in Russia. A non agency lady to be sure.

We communicated, dated, and then parted. She later joined an agency. She is the same woman so why would the mere fact that she joined an agency change her, as a person? It is nonsense to suggest that because you meet a woman via an agency that she is somehow differet than a woman that you met at an airport. Many agency women were involved with foreign men before they joined an agency and the reverse. The agency is another resource for you. All of my contacts have been non agency contacts with the exception of one. Yet the one agency ladys is as fine a woman as the others are.

Peewee 

[PeeWee]

Gee, Gator, wonder where you found those? 

There's little I find gayer than men concerned with other men's physical attractiveness . . . wtf is the point? Are you jealous? Insecure? Trying to prove you're not one of those guys by mocking them online?

I know at least half a dozen smokin' hotties who prefer a big ol' slab of guy like that second pic to a stickboy, btw.  (and the first one's an obvious Photoshop, of course) But what business is it of ours?

Everytime this subject comes up, I think the participants have spent WAY too much time perusing porn, where everyone's a hardbodies art project, and much too little time in the real world, where even the hotties don't REALLY look like the airbrushed centerfolds hidden under their mattress.

~Boar

Also, with regard to the photo of wallyboy and the Thongbird. We do not know two important hings about that photo. We do not know the size of Wally's bank account nor do we know what her face looks like. If she is a butterface and he is super wealthy then what the photo suggests takes on an entirely new meaning.

Peewee

[TexasBoar]

LOL . . . or maybe he's got a great sense of humor and a heapin' helpin' of self-confidence---the top two items, time after time, survey after survey, that women themselves say they most look for in men.

They COULD be lyin' through their teeth about that, of course.  But they've sure all been telling that same lie a long, long time! 

~Boar

[Christopher]

I don't think that it is in my make up for me to have a woman as my best friend. That is what guys are for and male bonding and all of that. If I wanted to be woman or woman like then,  yes, perhaps I'd take a woman as my best friend. Beyond that I very much think that I know all I want to know about women. Women is not a subject that I want to make a life study of. Men and women do not what the same thing. Men want sex and women want love. Men will profess love to get sex. Women will give sex to get love. Very different objectives in my opinion.

You are sounding a little "Metro-sexual" here, Christopher. Nothing wrong with that but that is not me. I sensative guy I am not. I have invested far too much of my time studing the philosophies of guys like John Wayne...the Duke...to want to turn myself into a Woody Allen sort.

Peewee

If you want Peewee I know  a whole in the ground where I worked for six months I can introduce you two without the aid of a flashlight.  You an call me metro-sexual and I can call you a bigot.  Grow up.  en may want sex but what they really want is love.  That is why so many men have a problem with relationships.  Think about all the times you see posted on this board about the need to seal the deal by the fourth date to prove its love ut then have that relationship fail.  So many FSU women that people and agencyies claim have traditional values yet give it up so easily.  Do they sound like they think like a woman.  Know they think like men.  That is one of the major problems with dating women here in the states.  They do not search for love but for sex.  Look at all the amature porn out there.  Watch some it and see how detached they are to the person screwing them.  Guess what they think just like you and are no diffeerent in the way their brains are wired.  If you want to have a successful relationship then you need to adjust your thinking.  Great businessmen change their thinking when they need to move forward. 

[Muj]

Pee Wee,
Glad you qualified your source adding the entire context of the idiot.  Good laugh .

[Gator]

Christopher wrote, if you want to increase your understanding of women have one as a best friend.

Best advice I have read all day.  Unfortunately, such is an impossible undertaking for some men posting here.  Even if these men would want it, no woman would ever bare her soul to them.

Again, we can not say every RW is the same, and thank God not all men are the same.  Some RW do want something other than money, yet I admit none would move across the world to live in poverty. 

Some men here need help.  I suggest that you bounce your philosophies off a well-adjusted woman, if you know any who would talk with you and give you constructive advice.

[PeeWee]

Pee Wee,
Glad you qualified your source adding the entire context of the idiot.  Good laugh .

I am not going to claim any of that to be my original thinking. Yet Leykis has advocated his philosophy via his number one rated radio talk program for years. Millions of listeners, largely men 18 to 34, make up his audience. This is not one man's idea but rather the core of years of learning for his minions. Ten of fifteen years worth of daily teachings has had to have some impact of the psyche of the America male. Based on his ratings and the size of his audience he would, in effect, be the Dr. Phil of radio, yet with a leaning toward 18 to 34 year old males.



Peewee

[andrewfi]

Andrewfin,  this is a serious question not a put down.  I am just curious how much experience you have in the American dating scene? 

My own observation by the way is there is a lot less reluctance to accept a woman's child or children here than there.   Here once you are in your mid 30's or so, you don't have much choice anyway.

Your observations would be incorrect. Look at some numbers. It might be that guys who are not able to find a womanrfom their normal peer group and thus have to accept broader boundaries - forieng wives 'n stuff may also be willing to broaden their boundaries in other resects as well. But I think you will find that for 'normal' men and women the situation is not far different in the US and FSU.

I dated my first American girl almost 30 years ago and my last (actually Canadian about 3 years ago) Quite few in between, but more importantly not as 'dating objects ut as peole and women.

Peewee, if you beleive that any of the bollocks spouted by mysoginistic emotional retards like Leykis is applicable in real life relationships then I better understand why you are as you are. The kind of rubbish spouted by such people is repugnant and should be repulsive to all normal people. No wonder you and others like you are rejected by your peers and are forced into a fantasy state with semi-stranger foreign women.

If asked whether I hold a low opinion of guys who seek Russian women, my answer is an easy 'no'. If asked about my opinion of men who espouse such attitudes, the answer is an easy 'yes' - to the degree to which the two groups coincide, well, you get the idea.

[Elen]

Before I married my wife, I asked her why she wanted to marry a foreigner.  She replied that a significant portion of men of her age, born late 1960’s were either killed or damaged (psychologically) by the war in Afghanistan 12/25/79 – 03/15/88; therefore, there is a disproportionate number of men vs. women in the FSU (at least in the Belarus region).  In addition, she stated that “marriage material” men were already taken, so the only choice for a marriage material husband is to go outside of the FSU. 

What other reasons/responses do other RW give this question?

The USSR ( the whole USSR but not only Russia and not only Belorussia) ) during 10 years in Afghanistan lost about 15 000 men - it hardly could be the main reason for disproportionate number of men espesially in comparision how much only Russia loses each year ( about 40 000- mostly males) due to   alcogol poisoning. So try to find some other "reason"


For me all that fuss with marring abroad is just a dream about prince who lives in other kindom

[Turboguy]

Humm,  "Prince who lives in another kingdom"   Guess I had better go look for the king of America and get my self a raise.   I am just a surf to the American economic system right at the moment.  Just joking Elen.   I think you made a good point.   If we were a few years after World War 2, ooops sorry the great patriotic war that would make sense but 15,000 men over that period means we are probably bringing RW to America at a faster clip than they were dying in the last war.

I am sure you are right as usual but I dated in the American scene pretty steady for a lot of years and did not find the pickings that great.  The ones I met were either loaded with kids or wacky.  Of couse I did not have as much to offer a gal as you did.  I still feel once you hit 30 or so in America it starts to get difficult to find a good woman here.

[catzenmouse]

I am sure you are right as usual but I dated in the American scene pretty steady for a lot of years and did not find the pickings that great.  The ones I met were either loaded with kids or wacky.  Of couse I did not have as much to offer a gal as you did.  I still feel once you hit 30 or so in America it starts to get difficult to find a good woman here.

Sounds like we were dating the same women Turbo... 

Ken

[Jet]

She is the same woman so why would the mere fact that she joined an agency change her, as a person? It is nonsense to suggest that because you meet a woman via an agency that she is somehow differet than a woman that you met at an airport.

PeeWee,
Joining an agency doesn't change a woman in and of itself, but have a chat with this lady 2 yrs from now after she's dated a couple hundred losers who think they can solve their problems by going abroad, and I bet you'll find her perspective has changed considerably. Remember that a good deal of guys never wander into forums like this (I once saw the figure 60%, but I think even that is light), and really are clueless as they stumble through this proccess alone.

My belief is that Christopher and Elen are closest to the true reason the majority of women start to look abroad - stability (economic & emotional) and fairy tales.
In a country where currency can be worth a dollar one day and a nickel the next, I think economic stability is a valid desire. In a country where many (not all) men would find Lycus's theories completely acceptable, emotional stability is a valid desire. The "In the USA the streets are paved with gold" mentality is still quite prevelant, especially in the smaller towns. We know it's a fairy tale, but how would they? My wife did tons of research before arriving here, she thought there would be some difficulties, but she assumed she was very prepared for them...she was not. I think that many women don't fully comprehend the true magnitude of what living abroad entails, but it doesn't mean they're stupid or gullible.

[Turboguy]

Jet,  I agree with you about Elen's post.   As far as christoper, I am assuming you are not talking about the stepping on your dick one or the one where he said PeeWees brain was not wired right so that leaves the one where women look at money as security.  I have to agree that is a good assumption.  I think we all do to some extent and it is to some extent.  If you are living hand to mouth the engine blowing up in your car can be a big deal.  A wad in the bank is a lot of security for lifes problems. 

Still, you need to be married to a person you care about and enjoy being with.  You need some compatabily and in the case of doing what we are, you need to be ready for some big challenges.  I do agree money and security are the two biggest reasons dispite what the gals say about Alcholic men who are not faithful.

[Turboguy]

Ask an FSU woman why she is looking for a foreign woman and you will never hear "money" as the answer.  You will seldom here "security" as the answer  (You do here comments about the poor economy a fair amount of time"  The most common answer is the lack of men, the lack of faithfullness, vodka, no good men as the most common answer.  I think this is a bunch of bull for the most part.

If an FSU woman asks one of us why we are looking for a woman from there.  We ususally say things like they have better family values, or the make their husband and family as thier top priority in life.  That too is every bit as much a bunch of bull.  Most of us are there becuse we feel we can get a prettier, sexier, or younger gal there than we can here.

To me what the gals are really looking for is "A better life"  I think that encompasses a lot of things such as a better lifestyle and less economic uncertainty, the end to a struggle for money and a man who may be more devoted and a better husband.  We all want a better life.  We look at a better life as being a woman who fullfills all our needs.  They look at it as a man who fulfills all their needs.

[PeeWee]

Your observations would be incorrect. Look at some numbers. It might be that guys who are not able to find a womanrfom their normal peer group and thus have to accept broader boundaries - forieng wives 'n stuff may also be willing to broaden their boundaries in other resects as well. But I think you will find that for 'normal' men and women the situation is not far different in the US and FSU.

I dated my first American girl almost 30 years ago and my last (actually Canadian about 3 years ago) Quite few in between, but more importantly not as 'dating objects ut as peole and women.

Peewee, if you beleive that any of the bollocks spouted by mysoginistic emotional retards like Leykis is applicable in real life relationships then I better understand why you are as you are. The kind of rubbish spouted by such people is repugnant and should be repulsive to all normal people. No wonder you and others like you are rejected by your peers and are forced into a fantasy state with semi-stranger foreign women.

If asked whether I hold a low opinion of guys who seek Russian women, my answer is an easy 'no'. If asked about my opinion of men who espouse such attitudes, the answer is an easy 'yes' - to the degree to which the two groups coincide, well, you get the idea.

yet another insult hurled from our third world brethern. Again your jealousy of those who are living the good life and are not forced to live in 3rd world nations, such as yourself is showing, Andrew.

Peewee

[PeeWee]

Ask an FSU woman why she is looking for a foreign woman and you will never hear "money" as the answer.  You will seldom here "security" as the answer  (You do here comments about the poor economy a fair amount of time"  The most common answer is the lack of men, the lack of faithfullness, vodka, no good men as the most common answer.  I think this is a bunch of bull for the most part.

If an FSU woman asks one of us why we are looking for a woman from there.  We ususally say things like they have better family values, or the make their husband and family as thier top priority in life.  That too is every bit as much a bunch of bull.  Most of us are there becuse we feel we can get a prettier, sexier, or younger gal there than we can here.

To me what the gals are really looking for is "A better life"  I think that encompasses a lot of things such as a better lifestyle and less economic uncertainty, the end to a struggle for money and a man who may be more devoted and a better husband.  We all want a better life.  We look at a better life as being a woman who fullfills all our needs.  They look at it as a man who fulfills all their needs.

I agree with most of you that the dream of a better life, and all that that dream entails, must be at the root of the reasons. I'd have a hard time relocating to anywhere, unless there was a draw so strong that I could justify the reasons for relocation but one of those reasons would not be for love. In fact I think the only reason that I would relocate would be for a financial one.

When one pauses to consider the amount of time, money, and stress that is associated with this process I would  hope that there are more reasons for this than to find a younger, prettier, sexier partner. Those three criteria seem to be fairly available to  us right here in our own country. Turbo, if the three only reasons for a man to find a partner were based on younger, prettier, and sexier then that is what prostitutes were invented for. I would also submit that to follow that course would be somewhat less expensive than the course that we seem to have chosen.

I would suspect that each man has his own seperate core reasons.

Peewee

[catzenmouse]

Turbo, if the three only reasons for a man to find a partner were based on younger, prettier, and sexier then that is what prostitutes were invented for.

Prostitutes were invented?!?  WoW! I'll bet they made a fortune on that patent! And just think of the residuals....

Sorry, just couldn't resist that one.

Ken

[PeeWee]

PeeWee,
Joining an agency doesn't change a woman in and of itself, but have a chat with this lady 2 yrs from now after she's dated a couple hundred losers who think they can solve their problems by going abroad, and I bet you'll find her perspective has changed considerably. Remember that a good deal of guys never wander into forums like this (I once saw the figure 60%, but I think even that is light), and really are clueless as they stumble through this proccess alone.

My belief is that Christopher and Elen are closest to the true reason the majority of women start to look abroad - stability (economic & emotional) and fairy tales.
In a country where currency can be worth a dollar one day and a nickel the next, I think economic stability is a valid desire. In a country where many (not all) men would find Lycus's theories completely acceptable, emotional stability is a valid desire. The "In the USA the streets are paved with gold" mentality is still quite prevelant, especially in the smaller towns. We know it's a fairy tale, but how would they? My wife did tons of research before arriving here, she thought there would be some difficulties, but she assumed she was very prepared for them...she was not. I think that many women don't fully comprehend the true magnitude of what living abroad entails, but it doesn't mean they're stupid or gullible.

Added to this might be her desire to make what she believes to be an opportunity to
secure a better life for her children. A mother who has seen the damages
of stress and alcohol on the FSU men, the fear of losing a son to a  war, the inequitys and inconvienences of a screwed up social system, might
be motivation enough for her to inherit the risks of moving to a foreign land with a man who is just slightly more than a stranger.

Peewee

[PeeWee]

Prostitutes were invented?!?  WoW! I'll bet they made a fortune on that patent! And just think of the residuals....

Sorry, just couldn't resist that one.

Ken

I have suspected it for years. I'd venture a guess that the only fortune that was made at the time was that made by the woman who invented the concept.

Peewee

[Turboguy]

Actually I think there are some guys who make fairly good money because they have the patent on prostitution.  I guess you could call them patent holders but the more common name is pimp.

By the way before I get too jumped on for my statement about the motives of American men looking for FSU women.  I never said it was my motive and of course we are all different and all looking for different things.  I just think a lot of the guys who get involved with this see photos on agency sites of fat old guys with a young trophy wife and say,  "I'm gonna get me one of those"  Next thing you know they are shelling out $ 8.00 a letter on E-700 and showing all their friends the photos of the young beauty queen who is professing her love to him by the third letter.

[BC]

Ahh.. the quest for an 'easier, softer way'.. little do they know how slippery these slopes really are!