Diminishing Returns in Eastern Europe

[Boethius]

It has nothing to do with them being divorced.  It is that younger women are available.


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[Trenchcoat]

Not sure, ..Was this alll Larry's words ? .. There is yh that RU UA women are 'desparate '..I looked for those ladies who had been on dating sites for ages and given up .. there seems to be a paucity of western guys who have a clue ..

I think the women on those sites generally have a bar that the guys should meet, they have an idea of what they want. The thing is a lot of the guys looking either don't come or if they go to the FSU its to see some other woman they have decided upon. That and a lot of the men looking in the FSU have in a lot of cases already struggled with finding a girl in the west, this may be done to societal culture, many reasons but it could be down to dumb luck or down to the guy falling short somewhere. The guy that falls short is then competing against the local guys the girl had already turned down (or they turned her down). It then all depends if the guy has what interests her and later upon meeting, chemistry. In summary it may be said that in general the FSW on these sites may not be getting the cream of the crop in terms of what the west has to offer, not me of course though

[Grumpy]

This site is predominently guys in their forties, fifties and sixties chasing lasses in their twenties and thirties ..

This site is predominantly OMBs discussing politics. I suspect several of the rest are looking for women over 45.

[Trenchcoat]

It has nothing to do with them being divorced.  It is that younger women are available.


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A few may do, but most local younger women do go for local younger men unless the man is rich, usually. I was messaging a girl last year who had gotten into a relationship with a local guy 10 years or so older than her, she was about twenty at the time and he was about thirty. I got the impression he had a fair amount of wealth, she later divorced him describing it as not a very mature relationship (as she was much younger). So it no doubt happens but I don't think with loads of women as there are only so many wealthy men in Ukraine, Russia, etc. They no doubt enjoy themselves immensely, but for the vast majority of local guys I doubt trading up is an option.

[Boethius]

Proving yet again you know very little about how women think.


Look at the issue more broadly, not based on a few anecdotes told to you by a few women who have a vested interest in lying to you.


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[Trenchcoat]

Proving yet again you know very little about how women think.


Look at the issue more broadly, not based on a few anecdotes told to you by a few women who have a vested interest in lying to you.


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I'm not so sure that these women are lying to me. From what I have seen many FSW are straight up as it's in their direct nature. Some may try to manipulate or try it on for what they can get but apart from agency & scammer girl I don't think all that many are liars. If anything they are used to men telling lies as they are usually good at detecting it and hence probably despise doing so themselves. Otherwise they would be moaning about what they would then go off and do themselves which wouldn't make sense.

[Jamesukjames]

Trench obviiusly statistically insignificant but the woman im dating met her husband at university.  She got traded in for a younger model.  Her ex went on to trade in his second wife for an even younger woman.  Her ex makes over 200 000 euros a year working in ukraine so .......

[2tallbill]

I disagree. 

Most FSU individuals marry young.  That is skewing upward, but most are married in their twenties. 

I agree that most FSUW marry young plus they have a child young.

There is still a perceived bias against divorced women in the FSU.  Plus, there are younger women, in their twenties, available and that divorced men can chase.

My point is that there is a perceived scarcity of high quality men suitable
for marriage that increases each year a woman gets older. In some ways
there is a (small but) real reduction as men work in more dangerous
professions, they do to prisons at a higher rate as only 8% of the
Russian prison population is female, etc.

My other point is that this has a ripple effect that grows each year.

[2tallbill]

So, here's the question:  At what point do women lower their expectations in the men they are seeking and at what point will men consider a woman that they might be interested in?

There is not a universal age.

[ML]

Quote from: jone on July 27, 2019, 03:36:14 PM

So, here's the question:  At what point do women lower their expectations in the men they are seeking and at what point will men consider a woman that they might be interested in?

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Women lower their expectations at age 37 years and 7 months.

For sex, boys and men will lower their minimum acceptance at any age.

[2tallbill]

Quote from: jone on July 27, 2019, 03:36:14 PM

So, here's the question:  At what point do women lower their expectations in the men they are seeking and at what point will men consider a woman that they might be interested in?

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Women lower their expectations at age 37 years and 7 months.

For sex, boys and men will lower their minimum acceptance at any age.

Especially after a few beers

[2tallbill]

I have a friend of mine who just turned forty.   He has been using various repositories (MOB sites) to meet with women (electronically).   He has not made his first trip yet.   (Background:  was married, no kids, good job.)

So, here's the question:  At what point do women lower their expectations in the men they are seeking and at what point will men consider a woman that they might be interested in?

Women are all different.

My opinion regarding your original guy and gal is this.............

The guy is a keyboard Romeo and his pen pal has major character issues. If he can't tell a good girl from a
sketchy girl then this pursuit not for him. She is pretending to settle, she will dump him if a bigger better
deal comes along. That girl is poison. Find a girl who has chemistry with you when you first meet.

So, here's the question:  At what point do women lower their expectations in the men
they are seeking and at what point will men consider a woman that they might be
interested in?

There has to be a happy medium or there will never be any matches.   

I disagree with your argument.

The good girls want to love and be loved and should never lower that expectation.
They will want older men as they age. When girls were 14 years old they wanted
boys 14-16 years old. That's not what they want when they are 30.

Men or women with too high expectations are going to be alone, unhappy or both.

[ML]

Good post by jone and reply by Big Bill.

And, by the way, what ever happened to jone ?

[Trenchcoat]

I would say that in the girl's position it is probably natural to want something for your looks if you think you can get it. She didn't realise though that she was getting guys who weren't signing up to a long term deal with her, that it she did and accepted that and failed to realise that the chickens would come home to roost as she ages.

Dubai probably isn't as likely a place to find a long term deal as a woman as other places. It is probably full of wealthy guys wanting to hire an arm trophy for a few weeks/months/years.

Other than that it all comes down to the weighing scales for both men and women. The woman overvalued her worth and her potential fir a good deal went down as she aged anyway. She would have been better being more open minded with considering less whilst shd was younger rather than set her price too high. A girl or guy who is willing to drop down their criteria a lot stands better chance of finding their true market value, at which point a relationship can potentially be a goer in my opinion.

[olgac]

If I were a man I would stay away from such women who had to lower their expectations and settle,
she might never be happy with her choice later on.
I knew such a 40 year old Russian woman who even at 40 looked stunning and obviously had had
very rich Russian boyfriends and a reach husband in her 20s and 30s, no kids though.
She had married an AM who was a manager at a casino. I remember she was complaining to me
that her American husband was showing off her fur coat to his friends as in "look what upscale woman I married"
And she really didn't like it because he didn't buy her this fur coat and he didn't buy her any such expensive presents.
Apparently she was used to be treated like a queen and spoiled and she expected from him the same kind of treatment.

I guess all these beautiful young women who have a rich sponsor (especially in Dubai) do have a shelf life
as the rich men upgrade to someone younger. But they are used to all these luxuries and are not likely
to be satisfied with anything less once they have to settle.
They are also not very good homemakers as everything had been done by maids, cooks, nannies etc
I asked this RW to babysit my 1 year old while I was supervising to see if I can leave my child with her alone
and lets just say I would have never trust her with a small child!

[krimster2]

this is ONE REASON why I married a VILLAGE GIRL!!!!
another reason, is the appearance of village girls
if a girl digging kartoshkie is hot looking, imagine what she looks like with the right clothes and makeup
yur talkin a gymnast body, and a natural femminine face, some have super model potential, my wife was once a fashion model for a tall women's clothing brand
in other words, a typical Ukrainian village girl

life is too short, to have to deal with problematic women - x-nay promem-ey
a simple village girl is all I would recommend to a westerner, unless you like masochism

In Crimea, the village girls run naked through the endless fields of Cannabis
and then they scrape the cannabis pollen off their glistening bodies
and make kif out of it
this is one of the best highs I ever had
also Opium Poppy's are grown there
and mixing the two....is as close to heaven on earth you will ever experience
Slovo!!!
combine the above WITH a village girl
and...
Man, You Can't Touch THIS!!!!
cuz it's get hammered time