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Lance Armstrong = LIAR  Compared to   Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR

I was watching the Armstrong documentary again last night and I was stuck by a couple of parallels that seem very relevant today.
The danger of all believing disciples attacking all and sundry in the interests of "their cause" is plain to see.
Time exposed the truth --the reality of Armstrong.

- Armstrong was a persistent liar

-Armstrong used the media to perpetrate his lies

-Armstrong has & had an extraordinary  group of true believers that swallowed all his lies

-Armstrong  vilified any that stood up to him

- Armstrong relied on others to conceal his corruption

-Armstrong used the legal system for his own ends

-Armstrong created an extraordinary amount of opposition-- he considered if you were not with him you were against him

- Armstrong used a corrupt system to enable his "system"\\

- Armstrong is  & was incapable of admitting he was wrong

- Armstrong is and was a corrupt cheat

=Armstrong did and does believe  that doing some good justified the means -regardless

The Armstrong Lie

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In 2008, Academy Award winning filmmaker Alex Gibney set out to make a documentary about Lance Armstrong's comeback to the world of competitive cycling. Widely regarded as one of the most prominent figures in the history of sports, Armstrong had brought global attention to cycling as the man who had triumphed over cancer and went on to win bicycling's greatest race, the Tour de France, a record seven consecutive times.

Charting Armstrong's life-story (and given unprecedented access to both the Tour and the man), Gibney began filming what he initially envisioned as the ultimate comeback story Armstrong's return from his 2005 retirement and his attempt to win his eighth Tour. Indeed, more than just an athlete, Armstrong, through his inspiring personal narrative and charitable works, had come to embody nothing short of the possibilities of the human spirit itself. An unprecedented scandal, however, would rewrite both the Armstrong legend and Gibney's film.
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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2019, 10:33:46 PM »
How can you tell a politician is lying?   His lips are moving.   

Jay, I think you better read the following fact check article.   

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/31/trump_lies_biden_slips_--_but_fact_checks_tell_different_story_141144.html

A lot depends on the point of view that you have.  You have a very liberal outlook and a bad case of TDS.   Better to take all politicians with a grain of salt.

You were proved dead wrong on Trump and Russian collusion.   You were proved dead wrong on impeachment. (Remember telling us, time and again, that Trump would be impeached?   We all do!     

And now you are at it again.   Time to move to a different topic.
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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2019, 02:08:16 AM »
Jone it is a dangerous place to go to attribute things not actually said by me.

Regardless  - I posted this  as a piece of recent history  that show a very clear danger   of non thinking disciples.

The vilification of any critic   and rationalisation of any and all actions regardless of what ought to be obvious is just plain dangerous.

It seems clear enough to most of the rest of the world -- and even a majority of US citizens  -- but  there is still a large % that seem to only be able to look in narrow terms.

As for the Trump admin  trade issues --it would be going too far to call it management !

The question I still want answered is what all the cosying up to Putin and Russia is all about . That has been ongoing and even more important to get answers than ever before.

One last point -- it took time for the Armstrong truth to see the light --  it is obvious enough that after 2020 everything about Trump-- and his time in office --will be examined and re examined .
Armstrong has avoided jail time -- will Trump?
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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2019, 06:32:48 AM »


It seems clear enough to most of the rest of the world -- and even a majority of US citizens  -- but  there is still a large % that seem to only be able to look in narrow terms.

As for the Trump admin  trade issues --it would be going too far to call it management !

The question I still want answered is what all the cosying up to Putin and Russia is all about . That has been ongoing and even more important to get answers than ever before.

One last point -- it took time for the Armstrong truth to see the light --  it is obvious enough that after 2020 everything about Trump-- and his time in office --will be examined and re examined .
Armstrong has avoided jail time -- will Trump?
The world has a little over a year of trump left....although I won't be surprised if he is voted in by a minority again.   If you listened to the propaganda on US talk radio you would understand why. 

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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2019, 09:16:09 AM »
JayH,

Please list the 3 biggest lies (political lies, not involving sex) attributed to each of the following:

            Trump
            Clinton (Hillary)
            Comey (DOJ IG's recent report is a good starting source, with more reports to come)
            Obama (not told by Obama himself, but likely ordered by Obama from his staff,
                        similar to Sean Spicer's estimate of inauguration parade audience)

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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2019, 10:13:04 AM »
look, I see a bunch of dots with some writing next to each dot...

the first dot says: Michael Flynn talked to the Russian ambassador about lifting sanctions and lied about it

the second dot says: Trumps campaign manager Paul Manafort worked CLOSELY with Russians close to Putin, and gave Oleg Deripaska Trump campaign polling data that was used to target twitter and facebook ads made by Russians, remember PizzaGate?
guess which Russian had his sanctions that were placed by Obama lifted by Trump?
did you guess Oleg Deripaska?

the third dot says: Trump said Russia I hope youre listening and can find Hillarys missing emails, they were and they did....

the fourth dot says: Trump tower meeting with Don jr and Manafort and Kremlin lawyer

the fifth dot says: Trump Tower Moscow building was an ongoing thing, Trump lied about it

the sixth dot says: Rex Tillerson for sec of state, go Exxon, sanctions?

the seventh dot says: Trumps deference to Putin, Helsinki, G7

the eighth dot says: the Meuller report gave over 100 pages of testimony of how the GRU and other Kremlin agents EXTENSIVELY interfered in the election, Trump has refused to fix or even spend any of the funds that were allocated for election security

the ninth dot says: Maria Butina funneling Russian money through the NRA to the Trump campaign and Republicans refuse to investigate this... shocked, I am to learn of this...

connect the dots....
not a pretty picture....

and thats just the LEAST of whats going on
and whats ABOUT TO...

because whats going to happen to Ukraine in the next year would probably not happen if any other President were there - but Putin knows with 100% certainty what Trump's response will be, because hell call him and tell him what to say and do when he invades Ukraine next year because of the "crisis"....

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Obama = LIAR
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2019, 11:53:48 AM »

Lance Armstrong = LIAR  Compared to  Obama = Extraordinary LIAR

I was remembering Obama and his lies about Obamacare again and
I was stuck by a couple of parallels that seem very relevant today.
Obama lied and got away with nearly all of them.

The danger of all believing disciples like the entire media and democrat
party attacking all and everyone who disagrees with Obama as racist
All in the interests of "their cause" is plain to see.

Time exposed the truth --the reality of Obama.

- Obama was a persistent liar

- Obama used the media to perpetrate his lies and they helped everyway
  they could

- Obama has & had an extraordinary  group of true believers that swallowed
   all his lies even on Obamacare or that he never heard about the problems
   about the IRS and other scandals until he read about them in the Newspaper.

-  Obama and the activists in the press vilified any that stood up to him. They
   were all racists

-  Obama relied on others to conceal his corruption and even spying on a the
   campaign of Donald Trump

-  Obama abused the legal system for his own ends. He started investigations
   on journalists, he tapped their phones and emails

-  Obama created an extraordinary amount of opposition-- he considered if you   
   were not with him you were against him

-   Obama used a corrupt system to enable his "system"\\

-   Obama is & was incapable of admitting he was wrong. He claims after
    having ALL of his programs eliminated or stopped that this is his economy.

-   Obama is and was a corrupt cheat

Obama did and does believe  that doing some good justified the means -regardless

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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2019, 11:55:28 AM »

Better to take all politicians with a grain of salt.

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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2019, 11:58:15 AM »
I would be too tired to count the countless times the biased media has lied to us. These liars have said Trump lies many times.
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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2019, 12:32:31 PM »
From Gator

Please list the 3 biggest lies (political lies, not involving sex) attributed to each of the following:

            Trump this is the Greatest ___________ fill in the blank here.

            Clinton (Hillary) too many to list. I'll go with it was a youtube
            video that caused Benghazi
           
            Comey I don't think that she had intent.
           
            Obama If you like your plan you can keep your plan. The cost of Health
            insurance will go down by $2500 per family. I only heard about the IRS
            and the Veterans admin problems by reading about them in the News

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Re: Obama = LIAR
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2019, 12:57:45 PM »
Lance Armstrong = LIAR  Compared to  Obama = Extraordinary LIAR

I was remembering Obama and his lies about Obamacare again and
I was stuck by a couple of parallels that seem very relevant today.
Obama lied and got away with nearly all of them.

The danger of all believing disciples like the entire media and democrat
party attacking all and everyone who disagrees with Obama as racist
All in the interests of "their cause" is plain to see.

Time exposed the truth --the reality of Obama.

- Obama was a persistent liar

- Obama used the media to perpetrate his lies and they helped everyway
  they could

- Obama has & had an extraordinary  group of true believers that swallowed
   all his lies even on Obamacare or that he never heard about the problems
   about the IRS and other scandals until he read about them in the Newspaper.

-  Obama and the activists in the press vilified any that stood up to him. They
   were all racists

-  Obama relied on others to conceal his corruption and even spying on a the
   campaign of Donald Trump

-  Obama abused the legal system for his own ends. He started investigations
   on journalists, he tapped their phones and emails

-  Obama created an extraordinary amount of opposition-- he considered if you   
   were not with him you were against him

-   Obama used a corrupt system to enable his "system"\\

-   Obama is & was incapable of admitting he was wrong. He claims after
    having ALL of his programs eliminated or stopped that this is his economy.

-   Obama is and was a corrupt cheat

Obama did and does believe  that doing some good justified the means -regardless
Severe case of Obama derangement syndrome! 

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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2019, 01:36:44 PM »
Severe case of Obama derangement syndrome! 

Fathertime!

Or I just substituted a name in Jay's derangement rant.
Obama seemed appropriate, but I could have put others
there as well.


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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2019, 02:19:12 PM »

Quote
   Jone:  Better to take all politicians with a grain of salt.   

+100

Yes, Jone nailed it.


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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2019, 02:26:07 PM »



Please list the 3 biggest lies (political lies, not involving sex) attributed to each of the following:

            Trump this is the Greatest ___________ fill in the blank here.

              :ROFL:  Trump's vocabulary is weak.  However, his delivery easily reveals his thoughts. 

            Clinton (Hillary) too many to list. I'll go with it was a youtube
            video that caused Benghazi   

            Yes, too many.  Books published by Secret Service agents revealed her
            phony character and "Nazi-like edge."


           
            Comey I don't think that she had intent.
           
            Or, "Mr. President, you are not under investigation."

            Or, "Your honor, the evidence for this FISA warrant has been verified." 

            Or, whatever comes out when McCabe et al start singing. 

           
            Obama If you like your plan you can keep your plan. The cost of Health
            insurance will go down by $2500 per family. I only heard about the IRS
            and the Veterans admin problems by reading about them in the News

            Fast and Furious (ATF gunwalking) and Benghazi were up there.  Or, I am eligible
            for foreign student aid. 

            Almost always, Obama had others to do his bidding.  It may yet be shown that
            Obama himself was behind the decision to investigate Trump.   


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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2019, 02:30:59 PM »
look, I see a bunch of dots with some writing next to each dot...

the first dot says: Michael Flynn talked to the Russian ambassador ....

You and Jerry Nadler just can not concede the Russian investigation case is closed.  A dog with a bone.  No meat remaining on the bone, but the dog will not drop it.   

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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2019, 03:25:09 PM »
Obama said he never knew Hillary had a private server yet he wrote to Her email on that private server under another name. Trump of course is held to a higher standards by the media.

 Under Obamas reset with Russia he gave lucrative contracts to Russian companies to supply goods and military hardware to Iraq and Afghanistan. Billions of our tax payers dollars went to Russia with Obamas blessing. Think how crazy the media would be if Trump did the same thing.
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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2019, 11:53:29 PM »
Well ,well ,what a surprise --Gator 2T and Silly BB   do what here?  Watch the film? mmmmmm seems not-- it is a very interesting use of misleading disinformation to hide Armstrongs  criminality.
There is a fair degree of whataboutism in that movie--  and that is precisely how the 3 above have responded here . Never actually address the issue -- but attempt to introduce what amount to a whole lot of irrelevancies into the "discussion"
For those who watched the Armstrong career and antics -- at some point we all came to believe he was a fraud -- and later he himself admitted it.
Yet,some continued to rationalise his fraud -regardless of the obvious facts.

Just watch the movie -- and think while you are watching.Reality is -- the consequences of the Armstrong fraud are at the very minor end of the scale  compared to the impact,affect and consequences of Trump
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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2019, 12:00:11 AM »
The world has a little over a year of trump left....although I won't be surprised if he is voted in by a minority again.   If you listened to the propaganda on US talk radio you would understand why. 

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I despair that so many Americans ( including plenty that did not and never will vote for Trump) simply do not understand how dangerous the actions and "policies" of Trump & Co  are. 
Most of the rest of the world sees it --  but many in the US  are still far too influenced by the craziness of right wing media -- and at the least are still believing a fair % of it.
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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2019, 08:34:04 AM »
Watch the film? mmmmmm seems not-- it is a very interesting use of misleading disinformation to hide Armstrongs  criminality.

I don't care. I know bike racing is big in other places, but I really
don't care about Lance Armstrong, his surviving testicle or whether
he raced with baseball cards in his spokes as a boy. It's far too
boring to waste a single moment of my time on a has-been 
bicycle racer. 



the consequences of the Armstrong fraud are at the very minor end of
the scale  compared to the impact,affect and consequences of Trump

A washed up bicycle racer has less impact on the world than the President
of the USA, I think you are on to something Captain Obvious.


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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2019, 10:15:30 AM »
Well ,well ,what a surprise --Gator 2T and Silly BB   do what here?  Watch the film? mmmmmm seems not-- it is a very interesting use of misleading disinformation to hide Armstrongs  criminality.

Thanks for the recommendation.  The film may be a good documentary, but my sentiments about bicycling echo 2tall's sentiments.

Incidentally, I cheered Armstrong the first time.  When he became a repeat winner, again and again, and when accusations first surfaced, I suspected he was cheating somehow.

BTW JayH, I have a good sports film for you to watch.  It will more than entertain you.  It will calm your mind and uplift your spirit. 

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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2019, 10:20:48 AM »
I despair that so many Americans ( including plenty that did not and never will vote for Trump) simply do not understand how dangerous the actions and "policies" of Trump & Co  are. 
Most of the rest of the world sees it --  but many in the US  are still far too influenced by the craziness of right wing media --

You've been duped for 2+ years by the left wing media and their anonymous sources in the intelligence agencies and you criticize right wing media? You try to educate this forum with "TRUTH" based off the education left wing media gave you. You think you know truth and call Trump a liar. Go figure.
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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2019, 10:51:53 AM »
You've been duped for 2+ years by the left wing media and their anonymous sources in the intelligence agencies and you criticize right wing media?

Note I am paraphrasing, I asked what high crimes and misdemeanors Trump
committed and his answer was "Lots" 

I've grown quite numb with those TDS folks who grow ever more frantic
in their hand waving, berserk predictions and frenzied exasperation
that Trump contains all the evil in the world and that I am somehow
blinded by a Pied Piper tune that has me in some sort of zombie like
trance, blindly following.

Trump was my 4th favorite GOP candidate for president. I can see that
Trump has many flaws. I can also see what he is doing and trying to
do and I support much of it.

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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2019, 05:41:31 PM »
Funny thing 2T -- my point has not much to do with sport per se --  but is about using the system to defraud,cheat etc  and the subsequent ongoing methods to conceal and deny.

Gator- the docu is more meaningful for those that followed the saga- and like you - over a few years I went from cheering to disappointment  -- not just in Armstrong but the sport itself. One of Armstrong & cronies repeated justifications was that "everyone" else was doing it too. That in fact was not true -- and the consequences of Armstrong was that many others lives and careers  were harmed .

Silly BB-- needless to say you again miss the point.

Does anyone actually dispute that Trump lies as a matter of course?How is that ever acceptable?

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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2019, 08:04:49 PM »

Does anyone actually dispute that Trump lies as a matter of course? How is that ever acceptable?

I consider Trump to be more direct and obvious than prior three Presidents. 

Trump's lies are mostly enthusiastic embellishments. 

As we tried to show about Obama, Comey and Clinton - their lies are big and black.   

Jone said it best - take all political talk with a grain a salt. 

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Re: Lance Armstrong = LIAR compared to Donald Trump = Extraordinary LIAR
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2019, 08:18:49 PM »
Does anyone actually dispute that Trump lies as a matter of course?How is that ever acceptable?


The same media that told you for years Trump is guilty of Russian collusion is the same media that tells you Trump lies. They will take words out of context and claim he lies. I've read actual transcripts of what Trump actually said and sometimes he misspeaks and later corrects himself but the media take the misspoken words and tell their readers Trump lied. This manipulative media has successfully educated you and you continue to go back to them for education.

What's more important than words? Action! Trump is keeping his campaign promises more often than past presidents. Focus on what he's honest about instead of listening to his critics.
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