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What am I when it comes to immigration?
« on: September 11, 2019, 01:09:16 AM »



Are you British or Irish..or both? Courts must decide!


A lass from .N.Ireland got a Belfast High Court decision to rule that she was Irish for the purposes of her Application under EU law to apply for residency for her US partner.

The UK govt appealed and this is now The Good Friday Agreement v UK Nationity Law..


An interesting case for us as SC and I could still use the same route.

Will I have to 'renounce' being a Brit?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49655676

I like having two passports ..when applying for Visas.. it is useful

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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2019, 04:45:54 AM »

Will I have to 'renounce' being a Brit?


Let's hope so  :ROFL:

I'm sure it's useful having two passports but what if everyone had easy access to claim dual nationality of another country. It would be chaos, people whipping out different passports wherever. To my mind it gives one person an unequal footing to another. To be honest I think a person is really only one nationality, but if the opportunity came up I can see why people go for both passports as there are big advantages.

Looks like it could be back to being an ol'Oirishman for you then Mobers ;D
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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2019, 05:07:23 AM »
Er, Trench,

I've ALWAYS been British..

I've only been 'Oirish', officially as well, for just over a 'turd of moi lyfe'


I see you've offered nothing to the thread - just another silly  opinion about folks that have ( had? ) more options than you ... ;)


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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2019, 12:53:34 PM »
I believe the issue in the case was that she wanted to sponsor her spouse to live in the UK, not Ireland, on her Irish passport.  Don't you have a British passport as well as an Irish one?


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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2019, 02:46:09 PM »
Let's hope so  :ROFL:

I'm sure it's useful having two passports but what if everyone had easy access to claim dual nationality of another country. It would be chaos, people whipping out different passports wherever. To my mind it gives one person an unequal footing to another. To be honest I think a person is really only one nationality, but if the opportunity came up I can see why people go for both passports as there are big advantages.

Looks like it could be back to being an ol'Oirishman for you then Mobers ;D

Everyone in our home and all my kids have at least dual citizenship.  Max is 4 passports for my youngest son.  It's not chaos, but yes we do whip out different passports at different borders when travelling.  No big deal, with the freedom to live, work and play just about anywhere on the planet without a visa or permit.  I hope someday everyone can go enjoy their life anywhere on the planet without restrictions; that we all merge into one.

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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2019, 02:50:31 PM »
BC,

I'm just curious.  Doesn't that set off some type of an alarm if you enter the country using one passport and leave using a different one?   Especially if it reads on your passport that the name of your employer is Universal Exports?
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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2019, 03:27:28 PM »
BC,

I'm just curious.  Doesn't that set off some type of an alarm if you enter the country using one passport and leave using a different one?   Especially if it reads on your passport that the name of your employer is Universal Exports?

Of course.

Before recent trip to Ukraine, wife heard of those who had trouble coming into Ukraine on their Ukrainian passport and trying to leave on USA passport.  Need to leave on USA passport, because if try to leave on Ukrainian, they can stop you from boarding without visa to USA in your Ukrainian passport.

Those folks were pulled aside for additional questioning as to why no Ukrainian entry stamp in their USA passport.  Warned there would be fines if tried again.
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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2019, 03:30:22 PM »
BC,

I'm just curious.  Doesn't that set off some type of an alarm if you enter the country using one passport and leave using a different one?   Especially if it reads on your passport that the name of your employer is Universal Exports?

Doesn't seem to make a difference, even the airline check-in folks are getting used to it.  Goes something like this on a trip to RU:

Goto checkin counter, show EU passport, the clerk says where is visa, show RU passport.
Go through exit customs, show EU passport, they don't care where you are going, just that you were legally in-country.
Arrive Moscow, show RU passport at customs.

On return, same procedure but vice versa.

No one cares who you work for ;)

Which passports we use depends on where we're going..  example going to Turkey we would enter with Italian or Russian passports so we don't have to worry about getting a visa or paying the visa fee. 

Thinking about it, and your original question, I guess we usually enter and leave one country using the same passport. No logical reason to use a different passport (at customs).  Even if by mistake we show the wrong passport and *if* it raises eyebrows, it's a simple 'oops!' and pull out the correct one and get on the way. 

Strangely enough, I don't recall ever having my passport checked/stamped by customs when leaving the US except by the airline clerk for identification purposes.  Guess I could have used any passport? buh...

In a lot of places, it's only the airline people that pay much attention.. that's because if they allow someone to board that does not have permission enter the destination country they have to pay your way back if you get caught.


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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2019, 03:37:47 PM »
I believe the issue in the case was that she wanted to sponsor her spouse to live in the UK, not Ireland, on her Irish passport.  Don't you have a British passport as well as an Irish one?


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Got it in one..

I could wear the Irish 'hat' to use the EU freedom of movement route to bring my RU family resident in Cyprus to the UK ..

The UK govt made a rule that closed this route, if also a UK citizen.

The (London)Derry  lass has never HAD a UK passport...and used the EU route while applying for UK residency for her US husband.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/derry-woman-is-british-until-she-renounces-citizenship-tribunal-told-1.4013861

So, according to the UK Govt , I can use the EU route if I renounce my Citizenship. !

I used to be able to have an RU visa on both passports, so if one ran out I aleady had a new visa..

Was never an issue and I was asked at Kyiv (KBP,) why I was using two different passports...  I had no reason, other than I could..but told the guys I can two g/fs and neither knew of the other and they smiled and let me go...

It was nonsense, of course.




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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2019, 03:44:48 PM »
Wifey went to Russia in January.  Used RU passport outward bound and US passport to return.

No issues.

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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2019, 03:45:22 PM »
I hope someday everyone can go enjoy their life anywhere on the planet without restrictions; that we all merge into one.



Noble idea for those who:

       -  will be productive without depending upon the public welfare of the new host country,
       -  will not disrupt significantly the existing employment balance,       
       -  are not infected with an epidemic disease (especially a future super bug that we know nothing about today)
       -  do not have criminal intentions,
       -  do not have sedition intentions,
       -  etc.

How do we assure such or do we simply trust all will be good?  And if problems develop, how will they be corrected?

Sounds like our global society would eventually become a single world nation.  If so, is there an electoral college or do Chinese receive 5x votes of Americans?  ;)   


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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2019, 04:13:14 PM »


Noble idea for those who:

       -  will be productive without depending upon the public welfare of the new host country,
       -  will not disrupt significantly the existing employment balance,       
       -  are not infected with an epidemic disease (especially a future super bug that we know nothing about today)
       -  do not have criminal intentions,
       -  do not have sedition intentions,
       -  etc.

How do we assure such or do we simply trust all will be good?  And if problems develop, how will they be corrected?

Sounds like our global society would eventually become a single world nation.  If so, is there an electoral college or do Chinese receive 5x votes of Americans?  ;)

We'll be able to vote everywhere like my son :)

As far as your list goes, most if not all are quite 'unknown' and can't be really validated.. So like today, we simply have to trust and deal with the consequences.

 'Do you have any unknown, terrible diseases that will wipe out our country?'  is a silly question.  :)

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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2019, 04:20:55 PM »

Was never an issue and I was asked at Kyiv (KBP,) why I was using two different passports...  I had no reason, other than I could..but told the guys

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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2019, 05:36:11 PM »

 'Do you have any unknown, terrible diseases that will wipe out our country?'  is a silly question.  :)

Yes, silly question.

A medical exam is not silly. 

Appearing before an immigration agent at the border is not silly either. 

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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2019, 06:06:12 PM »
  I hope someday everyone can go enjoy their life anywhere on the planet without restrictions; that we all merge into one.


That would be a great idea but unfortunately we have people/leaders who'd only agree to that idea only if they can remain in control and  control how people live, practice religion, etc... So we have to live life protecting ourselves from those people and continually preserving our way of life even if we got to get aggressive ourselves.
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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2019, 06:36:48 PM »
Will I have to 'renounce' being a Brit?
Shouldn't feel too bad about that..in1776 quite a few people over here did.
 

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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2019, 08:17:51 PM »
Yes, silly question.

A medical exam is not silly. 

Appearing before an immigration agent at the border is not silly either.


I am in favor of mandatory proof of vaccination to get passport, visa, or admission for all countries. Also those with communicable diseases should not be allowed to travel. 
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Re: What am I when it comes to immigration?
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2019, 05:02:02 AM »
If I want to no longer be British it costs £378 = $464 = 422 Euro  :wallbash:
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