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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #250 on: October 04, 2019, 12:17:31 PM »
Hmm,

2017?  The year that Europe allowed visa free travel to the schengen zone for Ukrainians?

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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #251 on: October 04, 2019, 03:22:22 PM »
that's actually a good angle to play if you're an American man...
last year I met A LOT of Ukrainian women in Amsterdam!!!
it was about half with a foreign boyfriend and half with a Russian speaking boyfriend
there were several Americans among them...

if I were single, I would definitely consider bringing a UW I met on VK to Amsterdam for my first visit if she has a shenghen visa!
and get her high as a kite in the coffeeshop!!!!
and then...
well, you know...






 

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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #252 on: October 04, 2019, 09:24:13 PM »
She doesn't NEED a Schengen, if she has a Biometric Passport.
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #253 on: October 07, 2019, 03:00:42 PM »
What Krim suggests is surely fun but in terms of finding a wife it's probably going to end up with similar results as SF has here.

To be honest had I not gone through the stuff like SF has I probably wouldn't have learnt much. While I kind of wished that I didn't stuff up I did have a lot of fun.

I don't believe these women mark a guy from the outset, there not out to scam from the word go. If SF's woman had the intent on doing that she would have been trying to hit him all the time for a lot of money.

I still think the main problem was SF after sex too early on. I think it probably put him in not a good light in her frame of men. I think saying that she thought him a Sex tourist might be a bit cle sha. I think though that it probably altered the basis on the game rules in her mind. For sure she lied and on this front she probably loses out locally. Not all FSW may shift to these game rules in their mind if a guy wants sex but I'm guessing many will that are left over on the International Dating Scene. It's probably why they are their aside from the materialism.

I think the way to play such a situation is to move on a girl for a kiss, holding hands etc but leave any talk of sex to her. If a girl is up for it she will probably make it known, it may be within the three days it maybe longer. If she asks for stuff and I mention of sex or similar from the guy then she can get stuffed. That way the guy will know it's not down to his doing if she asks for stuff.

I think this is probably the better way to try and get to know her better, get to know her family, etc. Rather than her think, 'oh he wants that, ok fair enough, well I want this'. I think this is probably the better way to proceed with FSW.
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #254 on: October 07, 2019, 04:15:10 PM »
You do not think, period ,Trench..


How have your theories been working out?..

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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #255 on: October 08, 2019, 12:56:47 AM »
You do not think, period ,Trench..


How have your theories been working out?..

You always say that to everything I write Mobe, you're just a crusty old man :D On balance out of everything I write it stands to reason on the law of averages I must at least get something occasionally right.

I'm not as wealthy as you Mobe and can't stay in the FSU for continuous periods, yet. However when I can I'm sure my chances will be far better.

Even still I think over time through my experiences there and my time on here with the help of Forum members that I have been able to work out a lot. How many times do WM walk away from woman after woman in the FSU because they do not understand what is going on? I recall Guppy Captain had quite a few of these, some other guys as well.

Often they think it is just another bad woman they have met when really what they did and how they acted unwittingly played a part I am coming to think. It has been said a couple of times on here that if the woman had been given the link to these threads she may tell a different story.

I don't believe either side starts out to act badly (usually) but I believe there are intricacies in the FSU dating game that WM don't generally understand and these need investigating if we are to up the success rate of dating FSW.

I have had a lot of stuff to work through myself but I believe I am getting there and progress has been made.
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #256 on: October 08, 2019, 03:23:56 AM »
You always say that to everything I write Mobe, you're just a crusty old man :D

..and you avoid the answer, while I take holiday snaps like this...


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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #257 on: October 08, 2019, 10:25:02 AM »
Bammmm!!!

I am hearing nothing but crickets from Trench after that one. lol

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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #258 on: October 08, 2019, 02:38:06 PM »
I think this is probably the better way to try and get to know her better, get to know her family, etc. Rather than her think, 'oh he wants that, ok fair enough, well I want this'. I think this is probably the better way to proceed with FSW.

I would rather Forum Members put their thoughts towards thoughts on the above. I think  on this I have it about right and have cracked this phenomena of what it is with these ladies that aren't scanners but aren't good girls either. Would be interested to see if other Forum Members concur?
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #259 on: October 08, 2019, 03:20:13 PM »
It just demonstrates, yet again, that you have no idea about normal relationships, Trench.  They're not quid pro quo, and a normal woman would never approach a relationship as such.


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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #260 on: October 08, 2019, 05:14:53 PM »
It just demonstrates, yet again, that you have no idea about normal relationships, Trench.  They're not quid pro quo, and a normal woman would never approach a relationship as such.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

I don't think it was a normal relationship I had so I think you're right there Boe. I do think though that she was genuinely looking for a guy but I think she was single because she too may have had difficulties with forming normal relationships. As explained I think she didn't know how to play it any other way once the relationship was on a intimate footing. She saw it as a more serious relationship and in her mind she should get in return.

I think SF's girl had similar traits but she was willing to go one step further and lie. Essentially though the result was much the same in it screwed up the relationship. I think in some cases out there intimate relations too early on with some girls could screw up the relationships. Hence why they are there, they constantly make the same mistakes over & over whether with a local guy or a foreign guy.
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #261 on: October 09, 2019, 04:44:37 AM »
Bammmm!!!

I am hearing nothing but crickets from Trench after that one. lol

You should still be only hearing them Crickets, but Trench really IS that stupid.

He doesn't listen to good advice..he waits for someone to agree with him)
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #262 on: October 09, 2019, 10:15:32 AM »
Trench you are spinning your wheels. However, if you can
determine if a girl is a good girl or not, then you've made
progress. Worrying about how or why or what caused a
girl not to be a good girl is a waste of time.

Once a girl is determined to NOT be a good girl you need
to dump her and move on. Otherwise you will be spinning
your wheels for no reason.

I've developed a flow chart that I hope I can load here
as a PDF.

Everyone please excuse my crude abilities. I used excel
and printed it as a PDF
« Last Edit: October 09, 2019, 12:31:26 PM by 2tallbill »
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #263 on: October 09, 2019, 02:22:48 PM »
It looks pretty straight forward.

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Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #264 on: October 10, 2019, 02:16:48 AM »
It looks pretty straight forward.

It is pretty straight forward, the problem is that men let their emotions
get in the way. They want it to work out with this girl, but when it's not
working they make excuses for the girl because of the time invested in
her.

They look at all the time, emotions and efforts put into this one girl and
want to salvage it, that only works in mushy Hollywoood movies but not
real life.

However, if it's not working out there is no way to wish it to be otherwise
so the most effective thing you can do is move on. It's far easier said than
done. I was on a trip to Voronezh and it wasn't working out with this very
beautiful woman. I really wanted it to work out but I knew it wouldn't.

So I gave myself a pep talk and decided to meet other girls and I came
across Angel Eyes and have been living the dream. If I had moped around
pining for the other girl, I would have never met my Angel Eyes.

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FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
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Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #265 on: October 10, 2019, 07:06:47 PM »
Trench you are spinning your wheels. However, if you can
determine if a girl is a good girl or not, then you've made
progress. Worrying about how or why or what caused a
girl not to be a good girl is a waste of time.


Once a girl is determined to NOT be a good girl you need
to dump her and move on. Otherwise you will be spinning
your wheels for no reason.

I've developed a flow chart that I hope I can load here
as a PDF.

Everyone please excuse my crude abilities. I used excel
and printed it as a PDF

I'm not worried about why a girl is a certain way, I'm more intrigued why a girl is a certain way.

I know it's time spent trying to work it out but it interests me to learn why. I feel that there is benefit in understanding.

I would agree though that in the moment there is usually little point in staying with a girl that is bad or wrong for the guy. If things have gone wrong or are wrong then it's probably too late and time to move on.
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #266 on: October 19, 2019, 08:20:29 AM »
I'm not worried about why a girl is a certain way, I'm more
intrigued why a girl is a certain way.

Ok, change the word worried with waste time.

Don't waste time thinking about why a girl is flawed.
Spend the time instead to find a girl without character flaws.

Besides what's the odds that you'll be
the first guy that figures out women?

I gave up on it nearly 40 years ago

« Last Edit: October 19, 2019, 12:14:50 PM by 2tallbill »
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #267 on: October 19, 2019, 02:17:11 PM »
maybe a waste of time “up front”
but...
if you really start to get a serious about a woman, then you MUST find out what makes her tick!

most of you won’t be as (un)fortunate as me and spend a few years with your in-laws like I did...

let me tell you...
it was PRETTY FREAKIN BRUTAL!!!!!
not pretty at all...
seeing how a dysfunctional Russian family behaves...

most people who exist in that environment will have some pretty major character flaws, excessive selfishness, aggressive PTSD, etc....

then there are “the cinderellas”
too innocent to be devious...

usually they are the people at the bottom of Ukrainian society
if there was a treasure map of Ukrainian women
there would be a big X right here...
in combination with that, I also prefer the “young farm girl” type
because when you peel the clothes off one of ‘em
your reaction is “OH MY GAWD!”

they're REAL "purty" when they're young, and not too bad when they get older either...
plus her girlfriends are always younger than her and usually look the opposite from her!!!
I am SO SPOILED by Russian women!!!
they give me EVERYTHING I NEED!!!



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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #268 on: October 20, 2019, 09:47:09 AM »
maybe a waste of time “up front”
but...
if you really start to get a serious about a woman, then you MUST find out what makes her tick!

I totally agree with you once you've found a good girl to pursue.

However, Trench is talking about trying to figure out why broken,
dishonest girls or girls with bad character are the way they are.

If he were a trained psychologist, I would say go for it, write a book,
or a 5 part series for GQ, become famous but don't get romantically
involved with any of them.

However since he's not a trained psychologist and he is wasting his
time and the time of those girls. He needs to spend all his time
seeking out a good girl who will like him how he is.

He needs to sift through hundreds and hundreds not stopping to try
to figure out why Oksana from Omsk wants to scam him for a new
phone and boots, or why Marina from Minsk wants a new fur coat.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
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Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #269 on: October 23, 2019, 08:06:06 AM »
Ok, change the word worried with waste time.

Don't waste time thinking about why a girl is flawed.
Spend the time instead to find a girl without character flaws.

Besides what's the odds that you'll be
the first guy that figures out women?

I gave up on it nearly 40 years ago

LOL, they can seem that way.

I get your point, though I think a lot of girls are on International dating sites because they are flawed badly enough in character for local guys to pass over them. The less attractive looking ones maybe less so because they may have just been passed over as they were less attractive. I'm not obsessed with getting a model looks girl but I do of course have to be into here. Reasonably decent looking and some real good chemistry are good enough for me.

I'm only an everyday looking guy myself so I don't bring up loads of girls from my profile only the odd one every so often who stays around (for various reasons no doubt) so doing the numbers game has not been that easy for me.

Just this week I've managed to buy a decent second hand Canon DSLR camera, my first to date so hopefully taking some new photos with a better quality camera will help, they do seem to lift things up a bit. We shall see...
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #270 on: October 23, 2019, 08:14:19 AM »
maybe a waste of time “up front”
but...
if you really start to get a serious about a woman, then you MUST find out what makes her tick!

most of you won’t be as (un)fortunate as me and spend a few years with your in-laws like I did...

let me tell you...
it was PRETTY FREAKIN BRUTAL!!!!!
not pretty at all...
seeing how a dysfunctional Russian family behaves...

most people who exist in that environment will have some pretty major character flaws, excessive selfishness, aggressive PTSD, etc....

then there are “the cinderellas”
too innocent to be devious...

usually they are the people at the bottom of Ukrainian society
if there was a treasure map of Ukrainian women
there would be a big X right here...

How did that go down Krim?

I know the Kherson girl I was with didn't get on with her Sister in Law that lived in the same flat as she did and she had fallings out with her Brother she also shared the flat with.

I can imagine that all being in a two bedroom flat could be a case of too close for comfort. Many families have the odd tiff while growing up but I gather with Russian families it goes way beyond that?

Of course I'm generalising and not all families necesarily will but I'm guessing like you say Krim its a frequent occurence.

Probably fair to say Kherson girl had a fairly strong streak of selfishness in her, she was probably not the worst girl around her parts but I think her character flaws no doubt caused her issues that she didn't fully realise.
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #271 on: October 23, 2019, 08:54:11 AM »
for me, the observer, it was PRETTY BRUTAL!!!!
I gave my in-laws the Rancho Del Krimster
because even my wife doesn't want to live around her family any more!

there's actually a LOT more stress now in Crimea than there was before
so a lot of PTSD dysfunctional family behavior
a lot of attention seeking from the young, and anger from everyone else
this is pretty much the only personal interaction going on inside a dysfunctional Russian family...

AND THIS is why if you are a WHITE KNIGHT you can ride away with a princess!!!  yup!!
I LIKE HAPPY ENDINGS!!!!  I see nothing wrong with that and neither does my wife or her girlfriend who are always happy to oblige me in that regard providing I reciprocate of course
and I do believe in full EQUALITY in relationships!
because this is the ONLY way everything BALANCES
is by everything being equal
ZEN

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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #272 on: October 23, 2019, 09:16:07 AM »
for me, the observer, it was PRETTY BRUTAL!!!!
I gave my in-laws the Rancho Del Krimster
because even my wife doesn't want to live around her family any more!

there's actually a LOT more stress now in Crimea than there was before
so a lot of PTSD dysfunctional family behavior
a lot of attention seeking from the young, and anger from everyone else
this is pretty much the only personal interaction going on inside a dysfunctional Russian family...

AND THIS is why if you are a WHITE KNIGHT you can ride away with a princess!!!  yup!!
I LIKE HAPPY ENDINGS!!!!  I see nothing wrong with that and neither does my wife or her girlfriend who are always happy to oblige me in that regard providing I reciprocate of course
and I do believe in full EQUALITY in relationships!
because this is the ONLY way everything BALANCES
is by everything being equal
ZEN

Oh I see, so lots of shouting and random out of the blue incidents and people going of on one then?

I'm guessing the person may adjust after a fair old time out of that situation, but some people might also be too far gone I'm thinking.
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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #273 on: October 23, 2019, 02:48:24 PM »
Krimster,

What does this mean? I am kind of slow. Could you please elaborate?

"I LIKE HAPPY ENDINGS!!!!  I see nothing wrong with that and neither does my wife or her girlfriend who are always happy to oblige me in that regard providing I reciprocate of course
and I do believe in full EQUALITY in relationships!
because this is the ONLY way everything BALANCES
is by everything being equal
ZEN"

What is going on over there at casa de Krimster?

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Re: Did I Screw Up?
« Reply #274 on: October 23, 2019, 02:51:24 PM »
Krimster,

What does this mean? I am kind of slow. Could you please elaborate?

"I LIKE HAPPY ENDINGS!!!!  I see nothing wrong with that and neither does my wife or her girlfriend who are always happy to oblige me in that regard providing I reciprocate of course
and I do believe in full EQUALITY in relationships!
because this is the ONLY way everything BALANCES
is by everything being equal
ZEN"

What is going on over there at casa de Krimster?

He was referring to the game of 'checkers' that they play frequently.
Sometimes he lets them win; and sometimes they let him win.
Everyone is happy.
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