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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2019, 12:17:26 PM »
That's because the AK-47 was made in Czechoslovakia.   And China.  LOL.
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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2019, 12:22:47 PM »
I realize Russia dedicates a higher percentage of its budget to the military, and the F-15 is old (introduced in 1967), and is being replaced by the F-22 and F-35.  Are you sure the Russian economy can produce something "comparable in every way" to the fourth-generation F-15?   


The F-15 shot down hundreds of enemy planes and no F-15 was ever shot down in actual combat. In war exercises in Alaska, the F-22 was pitted against the F-15 and beat the F-15 with a 20-1 kill ratio.

I concede the Ak-47.   


I agree but the quality of rifle doesn't make much difference on the battle field like it used to. Hundreds of Russian mercenaries which consisted of former elite Russian soldiers approached an American position in Syria a few years ago. An American general called his Russian counterpart and asked if they were his troops. The Russian general replied "No". Americans had to hold back for 15 minutes until we could get confirmation they weren't Russian soldiers and weren't going to retreat so the American military proceeded to liquidate a few hundred Russian mercenaries and lost no soldiers.

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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2019, 12:24:24 PM »
" Are you sure"....

if you're a middle-aged Ukrainian national guardsman on the front-line in a hastily dug fox hole armed with a worn out ak-74 and 2 full magazines...
an SU-30 will kill you you like it was the freakin starship enterprise firing photon torpedos and phasers...
it's all about that bolshoi cluster bomb and thermobaric bomb payload and flying in squadron formation on your bombing runs....
I mean, that rearranges about a square mile of land in 3 under seconds....

also, GRU has infiltrated ALL Sr ranks of Ukraine's military, Russia is counting on 50% surrender rate in the first 48 hours...
by then they'll be on the outskirts of Kyiv and Odessa...
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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2019, 12:27:23 PM »
T-34 ( tank )

Surely everyone knew that the Czechs have and had a great engineering reputation - hence the VW Group snapped up Skoda ..

As for Russian SAM systems . I believe they were rather effective in the M.East and Vietnam ?






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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2019, 12:34:34 PM »
As for Russian SAM systems . I believe they were rather effective in the M.East and Vietnam ?


Lessons were learned. American 5th generation fighters/bombers can't be seen by modern day SAM radar systems. Today's warfare strategy is for 5th generation fighters to go in first and blind the enemy by taking out their radar and cheaper and still effective 4 generation planes go in and bomb high value targets in the next wave of attacks.
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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2019, 12:41:58 PM »
I've been on the receiving end of Russian small arms fire...
it's a sphincter tightening moment sitting in a helicopter watching the green tracers arc up towards you...closer and closer...
it doesn't matter how many vests you're sitting on if you catch a Russian 14.5mm!
chopper pilots and tank drivers have a lot in common, the old pre-digital tank controls were very much like the old pre-digital helicopter controls... 

Ukraine doesn't stand a chance, and everyone in Ukraine knows this...
it's why young people are avoiding the military
most don't want to risk their life for an already lost cause

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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2019, 01:23:32 PM »
Lessons were learned. American 5th generation fighters/bombers can't be seen by modern day SAM radar systems.

Fact is - at the time - F4 and F-111 pilots had to respect the Soviet SAM systems ... V's dad  trained Syrian and Vietnamese operators .. ((


Today's warfare strategy is for 5th generation fighters to go in first and blind the enemy by taking out their radar and cheaper and still effective 4 generation planes go in and bomb high value targets in the next wave of attacks.

'Sure'...  and Iranians can knock down stealthy drones

Only a fool is so optimistic
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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2019, 02:32:18 PM »
T-34 ( tank )


Yes, a great tank, albeit a WW-II tank.   ;D   

At the start of WW II, the US army was smaller than Portugal's army.  Our entire military ranked 10th in the world.   We had some catching up to do.   

Fast forward to 1991 and the Persian Gulf War.  Iraq had the Soviet tank T-72.  The US had M1A1 Abrams.  The Iraqi had the advantage of being in defensive mode awaiting the American attacks.  And attack they did.  In the "last great tank battle of the 20th C'  the Americans at the Battle of 73 Easting, the US destroyed 160 Iraq tanks.  The US lost zero tanks, but one Bradley (an armored  recon vehicle) was destroyed by enemy fire.  In another battle, Medina Ridge, the losses were 186-4 (some of the 4 were damaged, not destroyed).

Russian and American tanks tangled again in the  2003 Operation Iraqi Freedom.  Results were similar although smaller because the Iraqi avoided engagement.  British tanks (Challenger 2) also had lopsided victories.   

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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2019, 02:35:07 PM »
Krimster, I now read that you were talking about SU-30s vs. entrenched lightly armed Ukrainians.  Of course, this would be a disaster.  A Gatling gun vs. muskets. 

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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2019, 02:48:50 PM »
DA!

I sat in a T-34, very over rated because of poor welding, so they leaked like crazy...
you could never have anything electrical or electronic inside, it'd short out in the rain...
suspension of the T-34 was designed by an American maybe best tank suspension of all tanks in WWII!
also big advantage having a diesel vrs gas engine
and the first to use sloping armor
these were still being used in Vietnam 30 years later!
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I always preferred to carry "picked-up" RPGs instead of LAWs
I painted mine camouflage....
they were SWEET lookin'
with a matching bloop tube....
first magazine was always filled with rounds that I filed down the tips to expose the lead...
today, I tend to depend more on the 12 ga remington 1100 by the front door...
hopefully, I won't be confronted by a T-34 but I will launch buckshot if the T-34 commander is sittin on top...


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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2019, 04:09:24 PM »
Iranians can knock down stealthy drones


Are you imagining things again? Name one "stealth" drone Iran shot down? Not all drones are stealth.
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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2019, 04:47:11 PM »
Yes, a great tank, albeit a WW-II tank.   ;D   

At the start of WW II, the US army was smaller than Portugal's army.  Our entire military ranked 10th in the world.   We had some catching up to do.   

Fast forward to 1991 and the Persian Gulf War.  Iraq had the Soviet tank T-72.  The US had M1A1 Abrams.  The Iraqi had the advantage of being in defensive mode awaiting the American attacks.  And attack they did.  In the "last great tank battle of the 20th C'  the Americans at the Battle of 73 Easting, the US destroyed 160 Iraq tanks.  The US lost zero tanks, but one Bradley (an armored  recon vehicle) was destroyed by enemy fire.  In another battle, Medina Ridge, the losses were 186-4 (some of the 4 were damaged, not destroyed).

Russian and American tanks tangled again in the  2003 Operation Iraqi Freedom.  Results were similar although smaller because the Iraqi avoided engagement.  British tanks (Challenger 2) also had lopsided victories.

The gun tracking software, described in some of Tom Clancy's books and the range of armaments outclassed the T-72s.  But the Iraqi tanks were not state of the art and in just ten years, technology has, once again, changed.   I always find it curious that various countries power these little gas powered model airplanes with small cameras on board and call them drones.   The state of US drone technology is far superior to any country's with the possible exception of China's.
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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2019, 05:23:56 PM »

In the first Gulf War early 90's an Iraqi battalion tank commander said he lost 10% of his tanks from 30 days worth of allied air bombing. In one day of encountering the M1A1 Abrams he lost the rest.

A crew member in those tanks can point a laser at up to 5 moving targets and the turret will automatically turn and fire at those targets even if the target is a helicopter in the sky. That was then. The Abrams tanks of today are much better. I got to work next to tank crews when I was in a combat engineer unit. In training exercises I got to dig foxholes for the tanks. Almost all our training is done in the dark of night. The American military prefers to fight at night when the enemy can't see.
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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2019, 08:00:19 PM »
Operation Protective Edge 2014

No tanks were damaged during Operation Protective Edge. The Merkava Mk 4M tanks, fitted with the Trophy Active Protection system, intercepted anti-tank missiles and RPGs on dozens of different occasions during the ground operation. During the operation, the system intercepted anti-tank weapons, primarily Kornet, as well as Metis-M and RPG-29, proving itself effective against man-portable anti-tank weapons. By identifying the source of fire, Trophy also allowed tanks to kill the Hamas anti-tank team on one occasion.

Giora Katz, head of Rafael's land division, stated that it was a "breakthrough because it is the first time in military history where an active defense system has proven itself in intense fighting.

401st Brigade (equipped with Merkava Mk. IVm tanks) alone killed between 120–130 Hamas militants during the ground fighting phase of Operation Protective Edge, according to the IDF.

guess who used to work at Rafael in Haifa for over a year on “advanced" FPGA projects?
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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2019, 09:50:17 AM »
holy cow!

Putin has recently said publicly that Ukraine has “one year left”

I have for real folks seen part of the military phase “Plan Of Operations” of what’s coming...
the first three targets are:

1. Javelin bunkers
2. Kharkhiv
3. Odessa - the assault on Odessa will come from 3 different directions

if you are a westerner in Ukraine during this period, listen up!

when you hear that Russia has cut-off the gas supply to Ukraine, this is your cue to get the hell out of Ukraine!

because right after this happens there is going to be a HUGE Russian military build-up around Donbass that Russia says is gonna be for a drill....

BUT...
it ain’t gonna be a drill!!!!

when you hear the pooshkie in the morning, then it’s too late to leave...
when the shooting starts, stay away from airports, don’t believe me look at Donetsk’s airport...
same for rail, etc, even border crossings...
if you stayed too late, then have a weeks’ worth of dry food and fill your bathtub and other containers with water..... and flashlights/candles
and just wait out the shooting phase...

then present yourself with passport to your local friendly Anti-Fascist Coalition Forces
and they will provide you an escort/transport to your embassy...

PS
Javelin Bunkers!!!
You won’t believe what a sh%tstorm this little nugget has cost the Russian military!
Grupa Vagnera lobbied Putin to be in on this one!
so they are a “cover group” of “Donbass Volunteers” who are part of the Mil Mi-24 attack force that comes in from the North East....
they are there almost ONLY for photo-ops with captured javelins (pridorki Amerikanski!!!!)
they are backed up by two full brigades of air-dropped paratroopers
that will block the bunkers from Ukraine counter-attack and launch an assault from the south west....
Russian hackers have already penetrated the Bunker’s security network and have a live video of EACH ONE that they monitor in St. Petersburg!!!

so a couple of years from now, when I have Russian citizenship...
I can go become a gentleman farmer outside Odessa while also maintaining a large sunny apartment on Arcadia
timing is everything...
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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2019, 12:00:57 PM »
Putin has recently said publicly that Ukraine has “one year left”


Don't worry! The Democrats have a plan to install a Democrat Prez and he/she will do what Obama did and that is give the Ukraine military blankets to beat off the invaders.
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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2019, 12:55:44 PM »
Don't forget arming the military with Dildo's, Billy.  That's a Democrats favorite "weapon"

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Re: The Brilliance of Putin
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2019, 06:28:30 PM »
the GRU headquarters in Moscva is located at what used to be an old airport called Khodinka...
at this exact spot on the day of the the coronation of the last Czar, Nicholas II there was a terrible tragedy on Khodinka Field, when over 1,000 people were trampled to death during a crowd stampede!!!

or so the small sign would remind me every day as I passed it by on my lunch hour...
and then again a little after 6 PM as I head to Polezhaevskaya station and catch the purple line outta there

at lunch time I usually walked across the big park to just outside khodynsky ulitsa and have lunch at “Yorkshir" with collegues...
sometimes though, I confess to eating McDonald’s in the park by myself!
it feels utterly “subversive" doing this at GRU HQ!!

Khodinka is typical Soviet architecture EXCEPT for the new modern building, but the rest are mostly late Soviet office buildings...

the new part is “oichen classna”
it has a whole wedge of the airport by itself!
when you walk out the back door you can walk across the field to the old runway!!!!
THIS PLACE IS HUGE!!!  THE GRU MUST HAVE 50 BUILDINGS HERE, AND THEY HAVE SATELLITE OFFICES ALL OVER MOSCOW!!!

they even have an airport graveyard here to explore....

I plan on living further south than this area...
below 3 ring road
not far from the river...

I rarely have to go to the aquarium now...
eventually will end up in that wretched Skolkovo Innovation Center
(sigh...)
shared misery...
i’m the only one who is not a major drinker because of how depressing the environment is...
my solution is to NOT spend winters in Moscva!
but instead Costa Rica, where I will try a multi-year experiment of trying to grow a Jamaican/Colombian Coffee Hybrid on my little plantation to make a new boutique coffee made for Russians by Russians
and...
wait for it....
Monkey Hunting!!!!!
the sport of kings...
once you hunt monkeys, you will give up hunting everything else!!!
I have a super pooper monkey hunting archery rig that sends an arrow COMPLETELY through a monkey!!!
they avoid my plantation now even my garbage dump....



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