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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2020, 03:08:24 PM »
If you ask the men, they will say women just care about money, but truth is somewhere in the middle, it is just like the west here. I may get a few people angry, but FSU is not filled with kind caring people, i was out with my ex month ago, a woman fell in the middle of the street, people walked by, my ex and her friend didn't care, i ran and got the woman up, she smiled in shock. There is not much compassion here, i am meeting a girl tomorrow , she has a spanish boyfriend already , but she wants to try things with me. I had ex's who laughed cheating on their boyfriends, i am sort of guy where women can be open with. I did the the whole traditional girl thing etc, believe me , this is not the land where you find kind people of would love you till death, stick to the West if that is what you want.

I have short flings, and cut women quickly if they don't fit. I can tell you of a girl who loved me to bits, wanted my kids (many do), i found a stray kitten in ukraine, took the kitten in, but she would abuse the kitten if the kitten pooped, and laugh , and it pissed me off , so i told her to leave she was shocked i chose the kitten over her, but i knew she was evil deep down. You can see a woman's character by seeing the way they treat an animal, see how they react when the animal pushes them over the edge.

I was engaged a year ago, that woman helped me a lot, i would say she loved me, but the russian mentality got to her. It is hard to find true unconditional, many don't. I prefer to focus on myself, my health, physical appearance, business, if i ever do meet someone , then fair be, but i don't buy into a lot of what is posted regarding Western VS FSU women.

Do you still have the kitten? Hope so.

I agree, anyone who is cruel to animals is a bad person.
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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2020, 03:18:22 PM »
No, found her a home, messaged all the women i knew in kharkiv hahahaha, and asked them to ask their friends, found someone in the end. I can't do animals at the moment. Also my prior comment, was regarding Ukrainian men, will tell you money is what women want.
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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2020, 03:36:03 PM »
If you ask the men, they will say women just care about money, but truth is somewhere in the middle, it is just like the west here. I may get a few people angry, but FSU is not filled with kind caring people, i was out with my ex month ago, a woman fell in the middle of the street, people walked by, my ex and her friend didn't care, i ran and got the woman up, she smiled in shock. There is not much compassion here, i am meeting a girl tomorrow , she has a spanish boyfriend already , but she wants to try things with me. I had ex's who laughed cheating on their boyfriends, i am sort of guy where women can be open with. I did the the whole traditional girl thing etc, believe me , this is not the land where you find kind people of would love you till death, stick to the West if that is what you want.

I have short flings, and cut women quickly if they don't fit. I can tell you of a girl who loved me to bits, wanted my kids (many do), i found a stray kitten in ukraine, took the kitten in, but she would abuse the kitten if the kitten pooped, and laugh , and it pissed me off , so i told her to leave she was shocked i chose the kitten over her, but i knew she was evil deep down. You can see a woman's character by seeing the way they treat an animal, see how they react when the animal pushes them over the edge.

I was engaged a year ago, that woman helped me a lot, i would say she loved me, but the russian mentality got to her. It is hard to find true unconditional, many don't. I prefer to focus on myself, my health, physical appearance, business, if i ever do meet someone , then fair be, but i don't buy into a lot of what is posted regarding Western VS FSU women.
 
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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2020, 03:37:02 PM »
What bothered you, in the russian mentality you mentionned about your ex girlfriend?
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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2020, 06:06:24 PM »
What bothered you, in the russian mentality you mentionned about your ex girlfriend?

Probably that she was a cold blooded mercenary looking for money as her first priority.  :popcorn:
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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2020, 11:06:04 PM »
I see men spend way too much time learning the language, and forgetting the basics of being a man

Once upon a time I desired a woman who was a former gymnast, and she wanted me to bulk out and I wanted her to try to learn English

She's still physically fit, speaks poor English and single.. I learnt how to better explain myself in Russian and I'm happily married.

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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2020, 10:02:52 AM »
Too much info , never mind

I read it before you deleted.

Sorry you went through that, a lot of guys go through similar.

Why not give her another chance if she said she was sorry?
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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2020, 01:51:32 PM »
I read it before you deleted.

Sorry you went through that, a lot of guys go through similar.

Why not give her another chance if she said she was sorry?

Because once i realised she didn't have my back when things got tough, i am not in the game anymore. Today i woke up, my facebook business got hacked, that is where all my clients are from. I can make changes, change the business to suit my needs, but my brother who quit his lucrative career to join me would be stuffed, so i couldn't. We discussed possibly me continuing even though the facebook page is gone, and i will take 75% (i already do 90% of the work), but we are bothers, and for family it is unconditional, i always told him to take 50% of everything, right from the start he asked from less, but again, we are family. No matter how bad stuff gets, we ride it out, we found a solution, and realised it is actually better in the long run that we lost our page. We worked together, found a solution, even when times were bad, we didn't ask 'what can i salvage'.

It is the same mentality marines use, they are willing to die for the person next to them, because they know the person next to them will do the same. That is how i view a marriage, I reached the stage in my life where i not only ticked my ex fiancé's boxes, but exceeding several times forth, but that  is not the point, she wasn't willing to hold out till the end, she missed the end by a fraction. She failed the test, there is no retakes.
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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2020, 03:04:55 PM »
Because once i realised she didn't have my back when things got tough, i am not in the game anymore. Today i woke up, my facebook business got hacked, that is where all my clients are from. I can make changes, change the business to suit my needs, but my brother who quit his lucrative career to join me would be stuffed, so i couldn't. We discussed possibly me continuing even though the facebook page is gone, and i will take 75% (i already do 90% of the work), but we are bothers, and for family it is unconditional, i always told him to take 50% of everything, right from the start he asked from less, but again, we are family. No matter how bad stuff gets, we ride it out, we found a solution, and realised it is actually better in the long run that we lost our page. We worked together, found a solution, even when times were bad, we didn't ask 'what can i salvage'.

It is the same mentality marines use, they are willing to die for the person next to them, because they know the person next to them will do the same. That is how i view a marriage, I reached the stage in my life where i not only ticked my ex fiancé's boxes, but exceeding several times forth, but that  is not the point, she wasn't willing to hold out till the end, she missed the end by a fraction. She failed the test, there is no retakes.

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No idea how this shit happened?
Or at least change all your passwords to protect all other stuff?
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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2020, 03:30:17 PM »
We have no idea , as facebook groups were fine, site was fine, the payment system was fine (they could have cancelled all recurring payments). We believe facebook business manager which owns the page, was hacked, our accounts have authentication. It worked out better for us, as i told my brother to install pixel on the site a week ago, but we lost a lot of data we had with facebook, to run ads. But we prefer using the site now on as our landing page, and doubled down on security, setup double protection on all accounts, so if anyone tries to login with a different device, they will need permission. Good slap on a face for us to wake up, and take security more seriously.

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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2020, 03:57:07 PM »
We have no idea , as facebook groups were fine, site was fine, the payment system was fine (they could have cancelled all recurring payments). We believe facebook business manager which owns the page, was hacked, our accounts have authentication. It worked out better for us, as i told my brother to install pixel on the site a week ago, but we lost a lot of data we had with facebook, to run ads. But we prefer using the site now on as our landing page, and doubled down on security, setup double protection on all accounts, so if anyone tries to login with a different device, they will need permission. Good slap on a face for us to wake up, and take security more seriously.

CyberCriminality if of first importance today, and this hit everyone today. You are one of the victims, unfortunately.
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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2020, 04:20:18 PM »

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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2020, 07:13:56 PM »
When I said run down , I was talking about the dating culture , I prefer it in Russia, less scam attempts , more genuine people, you can find good and bad anywhere , it was a general statement
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« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2020, 07:15:01 PM »
You can work on more than just muscles , your appearance, how you dress and such , having money is great , try striving for a package , looks , finances , how you come across. I see men spend way too much time learning the language, and forgetting the basics of being a man

Trench has a job making about $18K per year working 20 something hours per week
but he is too busy with his 20 hour job to go to the gym more than once or twice per
week, and he expects to get ripped. He will twist your advice above to somehow
say that he is going about it the right way. 

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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2020, 11:31:40 PM »
Got a tattoo session booked for 11am to 5pm today (i do my tattoos around 3 times a week),i never took a holiday, this is my only 'holiday' , to get tattoos, i work 7 days a week, sometimes i used to do tattoos daily from 9:30pm to 2am when i was with my ex (i have many, so don't assume you know which it is), because work finished around 9:15pm for me. The women i been with seen how focused i am (during good and bad times). I would sleep 6 hours, wake up, 15mins later be out the door to go to the gym (Stopped gym 2 months now, since my tattoos). I would come home and work till 9:15pm.

I was worried, and still worry i am too into my routine, and it is and was hard to give my time to a woman. But they loved it, they saw my passion, drive to be better. I took care of them sexually, made them feel safe financially, i just couldn't invest time, they learnt from me (i get on with their mothers, because we share similar mindset on becoming best versions of ourselves).

My advice is based on what i would give myself, focus on yourself, be the best you can be, try your best. People will try use anecdotes to be less than they can possibly be, and that is fine, that is their mindset, not saying it is not possible to succeed, but my mindset is to go full out whatever i do , business, tattoos, and relationships (when i love the person)

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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2020, 03:37:36 PM »
One thing I don't get is what is the attraction with all the tattoo stuff? I know it's a personal choice but it's one that has never really attracted me, I'm not really sure what it does for a person. I guess apart from not wanting one there is all the bother of sitting around in a chair while if gets done. How do you find FSW taking to your tattoos?
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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2020, 04:59:04 PM »
Most FSUW still don't like tattoos.

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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2020, 10:11:22 PM »
FSUW generally don't like them, my age range for women is 18-25 , more tattoo accepting, but you get people telling you 'why do you have so many?'. For the ones that like the, i am a saviour, as i am pretty much fully tattooed , apart from face,neck, hands. I did date a woman who hated them, but at the same time she was and still is madly in love with me, because i tick the other boxes.

South america is a place where muscles and tattoos are pretty much mandatory, a place i want to go to , but reluctant as i need a good internet speed, 100mb/s in FSU is what keeps me here. 

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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2020, 02:40:37 AM »
FSUW generally don't like them, my age range for women is 18-25 , more tattoo accepting, but you get people telling you 'why do you have so many?'. For the ones that like the, i am a saviour, as i am pretty much fully tattooed , apart from face,neck, hands. I did date a woman who hated them, but at the same time she was and still is madly in love with me, because i tick the other boxes.

South america is a place where muscles and tattoos are pretty much mandatory, a place i want to go to , but reluctant as i need a good internet speed, 100mb/s in FSU is what keeps me here.

Interesting to know, with no tattoos I should be cleaning up in places like Ukraine lol, think I'm lacking the muscles a little but also probably have not been going for expensive enough clothing. I bought some cheaper end Ralph Lauren shirts etc at home but over time have come around to recently thinking it's probably more the quality of the item/cut  etc than the style rather than it just being a designer brand that probably counts for more.

My guess is that having tattoos probably makes you a bit of a novelty in Ukraine and Ukrainian women are interested in that.

You say you go for 18-25 year old women, how old are you?
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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2020, 06:59:48 AM »
Most FSUW still don't like tattoos.

More snow white normal gals for normal guys.

Remind us when you last visited an FSU nation ?

Clearly there's enough biz for Japtats

I'm an ol' git and HATE tats, but I'd say nearly 40 percent of under 30's *I* know have at least one tat..






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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2020, 07:37:24 AM »
I don't think tattoos are widely accepted, i had fair share of women tell me what they thought about them in a negative way . But every pot has a lid , and that is what you need to think about Trench. Stop trying to be the same as everyone else, and be more yourself, and attract women who will appreciate you for what you have today , not for flashing designers , yet don't have the money to back it up.

The thing I notice in the world, especially FSU, is people talk about stuff they will do , pretend they are people they are not , as in flashing designers , but cannot back it up.


After me and my ex fiance split, she dated a Russian guy , first date he told her she will never need to cook, clean, he will buy her a car , pay for everything, but he never did , she was sending me pics of her cooking, whilst I was was doing the opposite, she cheated on the guy and was envious of me, to the point we talked about meeting up again whilst she was still in a relationship . Trench , make your choice on who you want to be , but be sure you will sustain it , if not , you will be screwed.


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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2020, 02:02:30 PM »
Thanks Jap, I think if someone is an out and out tattoo guy, or a surfer dude or a skateboard guy the process can be a little easier as it often can mean someone who is the same. Tattoos are often quite visual so it makes searching for someone else like that a bit easier.

Day to day I guess I'm a smart casual type of guy. I'm not  against tattoos so much but think sometimes it can look a bit far gone when it's all over someone. I don't have any tattoos though for some reason a Celtic band tattoo around my right bicep has a certain appeal, I don't know why just an occasional feeling I get. I don't think I would get it done though I don't think I would want to bother sat around in the chair and then the cost. That and from what you say it may be counterproductive with the type of girls I go for, possibly. If I did I wouldn't see myself as going for any more than that one tattoo, less is more I fell as in one would stand out more alone than be lost among many, plus I think the look would be better. I'm not into the 'so and so loves so and so' stuff either I think that looks the worst. Like I say though I doubt I would ever get one done.

The type of girl I like, that has attracted me in the past tend to be the pretty girls or girly girls. Normally pretty dainty girls that dress a bit tarty but in a classy sort of way. Not really leery girl or uncouth sounding if you know what I mean. Some I guess could well wear fashion brands though I think a nice dress that shows off her figure is always good :) So probably a different sort of girl to what you go for I'm guessing.

It's kind of difficult to figure out what sort of thing would keep such a girl interested. Sometimes they have interests such as sport, gymnastics or modelling. Sport to me to be honest I think I'm a bit limited with, before the virus I did gym once a week for the previous 18 months, I kind of like it but there are times when I don't feel in the mood. I could do other sports but again probably not long term. The only one I could do long term is some sort of martial art. I don't do any at the moment but did Judo for a number of years as a child. I think it's the thinking process that keeps my mind intrigued rather than monotony. Gym is not too bad as I try to evolve my routine  every so often. I'm not sure if there are many (straight) women that are into martial arts in the FSU though.

The rest of my interests are Architecture, history & heritage, scenery, restaurants, cinema, I watch sci-fi on a casual basis and play on odd video game occasionally but am not hard core into either if you know what I mean.

Music and theatre girls tend not to be my type, I've tried them and it's clear to me there is a mismatch on that front.

I don't mind the odd nightclub but it's not naturally my scene as I not a big socialiser.

I don't mind girls that are into clothes just so long as their paying ;D

So it's kind of a perculiar one for me, I could always find stuff to do with a girl I guess but its probably more whether we really gel over who we are if you know what I mean.

The don't mislead her thing came up here not so long ago with another poster (might have been Pat, not quite sure) so I know what you mean that it's a bad move to do that seems that it's a big faux pas to avoid lol.
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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2020, 03:02:13 PM »
You need to go to the gym more than once a week for it to be worth it, and for a few years. I am going to say this politely, i notice in life there are two types of people, one where if they are giving instructions they go full out, the other where you give them instructions, you need to hold their hand and push them to do it, hence why i said a lot of people like to talk, but actions are not there.

Stop debating guys on here about Brexit, invest in your business or whatever it is to generate more money, go to the gym 5 times a week, find time. Stop making excuses and talking so much about what girls want and don't want, go full out, and not make excuses on  why you are not putting 100%.


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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2020, 12:10:54 AM »
You need to go to the gym more than once a week for it to be worth it, and for a few years. I am going to say this politely, i notice in life there are two types of people, one where if they are giving instructions they go full out, the other where you give them instructions, you need to hold their hand and push them to do it, hence why i said a lot of people like to talk, but actions are not there.

Stop debating guys on here about Brexit, invest in your business or whatever it is to generate more money, go to the gym 5 times a week, find time. Stop making excuses and talking so much about what girls want and don't want, go full out, and not make excuses on  why you are not putting 100%.

It's not that easy Japs, I'm guessing you're in IT and so hence send heavy IT files over the internet and can work remotely and only need do a certain volume of work a day and can schedule when. Perhaps it is something else but similar concept.

Most of us don't have that option available. More perhaps have done due to working from home but that is a recent change and not one I am able to enjoy. Even then it can often mean you having to remain in the country to do it and working full out.

Hence most people are knackered by the time they finish work. The gym being the last thing on their mind. Usually diner and rest is all that is possible. Now you and I both know that to do gym it's not just about finding time but also not being tired while doing it. A tired guy at the gym doesn't perform well and normally goes home exhausted early and not up to his usual workout. That sort of life can't be maintained in the long run.

Myself I work 30 hours a week in my job then I spend long weekends converting my one bed house into a three bed house for rental. That should be done in the next few months. That should hopefully allow me more time for gym. I do all of the work on my house myself but while this involves some heavy lifting it tends not to equate to enough of a work out I think as there is technical working out and lighter work mixed in. Hence I am usually knackered by the end of it too much so to do the gym.

Apart from rental income when I get it in the conversion plus bring in an area outside the cities (virus uplift) means I am probably on course for an uplift in property price of approximately £100k over the original price though minus costs if materials if that so perhaps £70-80k uplift for three years or so work (tax free). Thats ok more than I would have got if I just worked extra hours in my job, not astounding but ok. Main thing is I will have rooms to rent out so that will give me more scope.

Other than rental income when it comes which will only provide so much I could ideally do with some online business but at present that alludes me. Many people try it but you can easily find yourself in a swamped market making no money if not careful so it's not as easy as some might think. Anyway that is why I can't spend hours in the gym. At the moment staying in work is more pressing. I count myself lucky that I'm not one of those being made unemployed.
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Re: Last trip to Ukraine
« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2020, 06:52:39 AM »
I know a lady in ukraine, making $25 an hour teaching english to chinese kids online, she bought 3 properties in odessa. She speaks some chinese, you can learn some broke Chinese , make a good income whilst in ukraine. Heck you can just use english, and charge $15 an hour and be fully booked out, why don't you? Got to beat Moby, Rosco and the others in the Brexit debate right?

I know nothing about Brexit, what is happening with Trump, or coronavirus, but my business industry, i know it better than anyone else. My clients know i am an expert, they beg me to take time off. Gym, i know about, tattoos i know about, i am an expert in the fields that effect life.

You got a few hours in each day, and you are choosing to waste them. I work 80 to 100 hours a week, i make it work, just stop making excuses.

Regarding myself, i started my business by myself (with my ex fiance's support), i was making $200 a month whilst working 80-100 hours a week. I made the site, made the content,i did it all by myself. My ex fiance's mother says that i am good at doing stuff solo. After 10 months i built it up, my brother left his job as a data scientist , in a lucrative job to work full-time with me. You are guessing a lot of stuff about me, but wrong .
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