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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2019, 01:40:33 PM »
"Why what do your daughters & her Russian girlfriends say?"

they have IMMENSE frustration with the "cluelessnes" of the majority of guys...
it's 100% the reason that younger girls are going out with older dewds, because the younger dewds have "NO GAME"!!! and no idea they have no game!!!

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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2019, 01:46:58 PM »
Trench, when i made a game workshop long time ago,
of the four guys we were, the only one to not get a phone number during the party event was a french guy living two hours of car of my city.
We became "friends".
During the two years i met him, he never aboarded a woman and i never see with a woman.
However he became an internet specialist on a dedicated forum. 
   
I Would like to avoid you this pain Trench, nothing HERE will help you, even if you have the biggest knowledge of the world about relationships with FSUW
You can spend night and days dicing every post and even buying the last quantic  computer to stock all datas and it will have NO WORTH.
 
Because the main thing with women is to spend maximum time with them. Some guys have never read anything about pua, the game, psychology, but they have figure out through hundreds, thousands of failures how to get through and understand what is successful by driving iterative series, eliminating the unsuccessful ones, they built the path of their success like pyramid to get to the top. They were like you, i would say often less lucky, less educated but found their way. 
 
But they were not masturbate their brains in front of a keyboard. And it's exactly because they were FED UP to have a miserable geek life, farmer life, lonely seller life that they decide to go to the field and to fight. 
 
And as you are not in your twenties your time is counted.
So rather than to elaborate endless conceptual posts here, i would prefer you come back only to make a REPORT of every of your dates and focus to meet local girls, which are the indispensable step before dating FSUW

Don't make the confusion to date FSUW because you couldn't meet local girls, FSUW are not a shortcut for guys who are game clueless (see Krimster above, and don't think that ML, Bill, Billy, Jone Gator, Faux Pas will disagree), that quite the opposite in fact.

Each time i saw you posting here, it means that you spent more time to be alone rather than to get what you want. Each time you are alone (doesn't have any value if you even meet friends) rather than dating girls,  you reinforce your inability to date women in the future. And they damned smell it from the next mile i can tell you.
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What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2019, 02:37:53 PM »
Because the main thing with women is to spend maximum time with them.

Pat,

I 100% agree

Spending time with us at the forum contemplating some theory or
concept is a waste of time. That time would be far better spent
with a real woman.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2019, 02:49:21 PM »
I know what you mean Pat, to be honest I will hopefully get back at it this week. Some stuff came up and I haven't been able to get to it as soon as I would have. So in general I ask stuff about FSU dating stuff to hat I become curious about when I am simply unable to get involved with it.

I've just this week partially rewritten my dating profile and just need to put it online with some new photos. I think this new profile will better reflect me and my lifestyle. I'm not saying it will land me any more women but I'm in a position to make a contact again with these women. Before I lacked the time & money was a bit short but both have improved a bit of late. Work on my house is nearing completion so not too much to do there now.

So yes getting out there and getting more experience first hand is my main goal. I don't mind travelling in winter to the FSU now as I'm more used to the scene. I really do enjoy meeting FSW as I find them enjoyable company to be with. So to this purpose I will now set about :)
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2019, 05:57:04 PM »
So what does a FSW mean when she says she wants 'a smart guy who knows what he wants?'

Now I'm guessing that she doesn't mean that he's able to decide what meal he's going for when waiting in queue at McDonald's.

I hear FSW say this sort of thing a fair bit, also from some Western Women also. It could mean the same thing I'm guessing or it could be different. I have my ideas on what she likely means by this but I could be way of base for all I know. What are the thoughts of members here on this?

Women tend to want a man that is smarter than her and can make good decisions. That'll earn her respect. With respect earned a woman will be able to love you. She doesn't want a boy she needs to babysit and make all the decisions for him. If you do meet up with a woman, do not ask her the same questions you're asking here. You're supposed to have all the answers in life without her help.
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2019, 06:19:22 PM »

By the way if a RW tells you "you're the man", it means effectively that you have missed something. 


The first time was before we met and similar to what you brought up regarding the French woman, but I didn’t have your knowledge Pat.

I planned to meet K in my country and I asked her where would she like to visit on her holiday?
“You’re the man, I’m happy with what you decide”...... Married guys how often does this backfire when she isn’t happy with your choices?


The other was in Russia and come from K’s friend S. She insinuated I wasn’t fulfilling my manly duties. I opened a bottle of champagne in my apartment, but neglected to pour K & S a glass immediately, while they prepared some food. She said something in broken English along the lines of “In Russia a man is gentleman and pours champagne for a woman” I was being a Gentleman and waited to see how much K wanted in her glass as she’s not a big drinker. S on the other hand drinks a little more and was impatient and couldn’t wait until she was seated, but I’ve learnt from that and in the future a woman will drink what I serve her.

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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2019, 06:50:28 PM »
The first time was before we met and similar to what you brought up regarding the French woman, but I didn’t have your knowledge Pat.

I planned to meet K in my country and I asked her where would she like to visit on her holiday?
“You’re the man, I’m happy with what you decide”...... Married guys how often does this backfire when she isn’t happy with your choices?


The other was in Russia and come from K’s friend S. She insinuated I wasn’t fulfilling my manly duties. I opened a bottle of champagne in my apartment, but neglected to pour K & S a glass immediately, while they prepared some food. She said something in broken English along the lines of “In Russia a man is gentleman and pours champagne for a woman” I was being a Gentleman and waited to see how much K wanted in her glass as she’s not a big drinker. S on the other hand drinks a little more and was impatient and couldn’t wait until she was seated, but I’ve learnt from that and in the future a woman will drink what I serve her.

Indeed Davo, that is what I have come to see from my experiences. It's sounds bad by western society (again beta stuff) but in the FSU with women the best policy seems to be to go with what satisfies you and the woman will respect you.

I'm no saying don't satisfy the woman but going for what you want and not worrying seems to work there. It's kind of like if women see that you are getting what you are wanting they respect you more for it. In your case with the champagne just going the whole hog and not caring about the trivialities of whether she only wanted so much was the thing to do. Almost like the woman there read into your subconscious and the more timid approach we are taught by society commonly in the west.

This is kind of what I mean above in that not knowing this stuff can floor a guy time and again. It could well be that the same guy makes the same mistakes without realising it and doesn't realise why he keeps failing in the FSU with the women.

Hence why it makes sense for me to ask this stuff during the spare few moments I get during periods that I can't get out in the FSU. Otherwise I could expend a lot of effort and energy failing with women I want.

As Krim rightly says that if a guy doesn't act right then he will keep on failing no matter how many times he tries.

Even from my first attempt at this I can see mistakes I made but also the odd bit where I did momentarily get it without realising it. If I had that time over again I would do it differently knowing what I now know.
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2019, 06:54:41 PM »
Women tend to want a man that is smarter than her and can make good decisions. That'll earn her respect. With respect earned a woman will be able to love you. She doesn't want a boy she needs to babysit and make all the decisions for him. If you do meet up with a woman, do not ask her the same questions you're asking here. You're supposed to have all the answers in life without her help.

Thanks Billy, your right there, it's one area where I do tend to do well in as I'm quite a capable guy in terms of sorting out problems, etc. Nearly all of the decisions I make are good ones also. Admittedly I fall down on the social side a bit, hence the stuff I ask here. That said I'm savvy enough to know not to ask a FSW this stuff lol, In not that bad ;D
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2019, 07:26:44 PM »
I do tend to do well in as I'm quite a capable guy in terms of sorting out problems,


Well... lets see if you're as good as you say you are. You're standing in line at McDonalds with a lady you're on a date with. You ask her what she wants. She says the Big Mac and Quarter Pounder looks good but says "You choose". What will you choose to impress her? There's only one right answer.
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2019, 01:43:46 AM »
I know what you mean Pat, to be honest I will hopefully get back at it this week. Some stuff came up and I haven't been able to get to it as soon as I would have. So in general I ask stuff about FSU dating stuff to hat I become curious about when I am simply unable to get involved with it.

I've just this week partially rewritten my dating profile and just need to put it online with some new photos. I think this new profile will better reflect me and my lifestyle. I'm not saying it will land me any more women but I'm in a position to make a contact again with these women. Before I lacked the time & money was a bit short but both have improved a bit of late. Work on my house is nearing completion so not too much to do there now.

So yes getting out there and getting more experience first hand is my main goal. I don't mind travelling in winter to the FSU now as I'm more used to the scene. I really do enjoy meeting FSW as I find them enjoyable company to be with. So to this purpose I will now set about :)
Trench, you have missed a large part of what i have written.This not about update your profile and meeting FSUW, which will happen only one or two times per year (i am wrong?), NO it's about to meet women around you, every day, and they are all over you.
Do it as a training, so the pressure will be low. I don't ask you to seal the deal, i ask you to approach them, spend good time with her, that will be a debut.

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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2019, 03:19:18 AM »
The first time was before we met and similar to what you brought up regarding the French woman, but I didn’t have your knowledge Pat.

I planned to meet K in my country and I asked her where would she like to visit on her holiday?
“You’re the man, I’m happy with what you decide”...... Married guys how often does this backfire when she isn’t happy with your choices?


The other was in Russia and come from K’s friend S. She insinuated I wasn’t fulfilling my manly duties. I opened a bottle of champagne in my apartment, but neglected to pour K & S a glass immediately, while they prepared some food. She said something in broken English along the lines of “In Russia a man is gentleman and pours champagne for a woman” I was being a Gentleman and waited to see how much K wanted in her glass as she’s not a big drinker. S on the other hand drinks a little more and was impatient and couldn’t wait until she was seated, but I’ve learnt from that and in the future a woman will drink what I serve her.
Davo, when a woman is visiting your country, and moreover if you pay all expenses, or a large part of the expenses, YOU are in control. WHO is supposed to know what to visit in HIS country?Tell me?
Therefore your job is to write a shedule and to act acordingly.


I have planned a conjoint trip few time ago.How i did it?
First she proposed, to please me, because i talked about Lviv; this city.
I quickly understood that this city was not the best choice to meet considering the little time she had, only 6 days. It was better to spend more time together than in transport.

THerefore i aimed for a city where each of us could take one flight and land directly in this city.
She let me know that she had gone three time in this city. She just informed me, nothing more, no pressure.
She wrote to me "Choose for the best, choose for us i trust you." At this time you can do whatever you want, you have the power, she just has a slight preference for the second city she has never been and that normal
Now what i did, i looked carefully all flight schedules for the second city and came to the summary that finally i was spending the same time to travel, i had now to take two planes but not a big deal, and pay less in parking and for the road driven because the airport is one hour of car back and foth rather than to go to an other one airport that needs 4 hours of car back and forth.
I didn't tell her YES to please her,I first look carefully if it was stretching out my travel time or not (her was shortened a little). And because it doesn't i focused on this second city.
I also choose both flights to arrive and take off barely at the same time. When she decided to buy her ticket she misleaded the schedule i had given to her. I told her : look i choose flights so we can hug each other after less than 40 minutes of waiting time in the airport,  and at the end we will leave the appartment together, is this not romantical? Wow you score some other points
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2019, 05:08:19 AM »
Trench, you have missed a large part of what i have written.This not about update your profile and meeting FSUW, which will happen only one or two times per year (i am wrong?), NO it's about to meet women around you, every day, and they are all over you.
Do it as a training, so the pressure will be low. I don't ask you to seal the deal, i ask you to approach them, spend good time with her, that will be a debut.

2/ make more money 
3/ Keep the gym

I know the point and relevance of what you are saying Pat but to me UK women are most often a turn off for me. Most are just so totally different to UW that there is no correlation between the two. UK women are masculine in personality so much so that it would almost be like going up and chatting up a guy. For me UK and Ukrainian women are two different species and chatting up a UK woman wouldn't translate the same as chatting up a Ukrainian women as they act so differently. Chatting up a UK women is likely to be more of a demoralising negative than anything. I would rather spend my time messaging or skyping with a UW.

Gym I have spent a couple of weeks of with a bad cold and tiredness after doing other DIY work that came up and desperately needed to be done, but I will get back to this week.

Money, well once I rent out some rooms in my house that I am converting that will increase. However, at some point I will probably give up my job as I feel Independant income will serve me better (from the room rents). That and the job may then be passing it's usefulness and it become better to look at other ways of bringing in more Independant income, ie once I have some Independant income to fall back on then that will enable me to be freed up to seek more Independant income. Usually working a paid job for an employer is a bind as although it can be fairly stable income it also binds you to being tied to being in the same country a lot.
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2019, 08:45:40 AM »
I know the point and relevance of what you are saying Pat but to me UK women are most often a turn off for me. Most are just so totally different to UW that there is no correlation between the two. UK women are masculine in personality so much so that it would almost be like going up and chatting up a guy. For me UK and Ukrainian women are two different species and chatting up a UK woman wouldn't translate the same as chatting up a Ukrainian women as they act so differently. Chatting up a UK women is likely to be more of a demoralising negative than anything. I would rather spend my time messaging or skyping with a UW.

Gym I have spent a couple of weeks of with a bad cold and tiredness after doing other DIY work that came up and desperately needed to be done, but I will get back to this week.

Money, well once I rent out some rooms in my house that I am converting that will increase. However, at some point I will probably give up my job as I feel Independant income will serve me better (from the room rents). That and the job may then be passing it's usefulness and it become better to look at other ways of bringing in more Independant income, ie once I have some Independant income to fall back on then that will enable me to be freed up to seek more Independant income. Usually working a paid job for an employer is a bind as although it can be fairly stable income it also binds you to being tied to being in the same country a lot.

 
Because i am not an english native speaker i perhaps misleaded what you say about chatting.Does chatting happens on internet ? Or is it a synonym of talking?   

Anyway, Trench, women are barely the same during the time you conqueer them (gaming time till the sexual commitment, sorry it's not really romantical but it gives some limits). 

 And chatting is a VERY FEW part of the deal Trench. 
And i already wrote before that western women don't think what they say and don't say what they think, therefore RASGAVOR, chatting with them has a lower importance.   

May i remind you that during a talk it is commonly admitted that the sense of what you say counts only for 6 % ? The rest is voice intonation, and more than half is BODY LANGUAGE. 
Of course as your body is not naked, the way you are dressed, groomed and how you are neat are of prime importance.   
 
So Trench the reality of what you are discussing with a woman has very few human or woman reality. I speak here about a meeting, when you FACE a woman. That's a real meeting there are no other meeting. 

To make a summarize FSU and western women are triggered barely by the same buttons during the comfort and attraction time Trench. Those values are quite universal.
 
 If you learn the language of love Trench, you will be able to also enter in the UK women space closing their intimacy. It's not far different, minus some cultural and travel constraints than FSU ones (I repeat myself here).








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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2019, 10:15:58 AM »

 
Because i am not an english native speaker i perhaps misleaded what you say about chatting.Does chatting happens on internet ? Or is it a synonym of talking?   

Anyway, Trench, women are barely the same during the time you conqueer them (gaming time till the sexual commitment, sorry it's not really romantical but it gives some limits). 

 And chatting is a VERY FEW part of the deal Trench. 
And i already wrote before that western women don't think what they say and don't say what they think, therefore RASGAVOR, chatting with them has a lower importance.   

May i remind you that during a talk it is commonly admitted that the sense of what you say counts only for 6 % ? The rest is voice intonation, and more than half is BODY LANGUAGE. 
Of course as your body is not naked, the way you are dressed, groomed and how you are neat are of prime importance.   
 
So Trench the reality of what you are discussing with a woman has very few human or woman reality. I speak here about a meeting, when you FACE a woman. That's a real meeting there are no other meeting. 

To make a summarize FSU and western women are triggered barely by the same buttons during the comfort and attraction time Trench. Those values are quite universal.
 
 If you learn the language of love Trench, you will be able to also enter in the UK women space closing their intimacy. It's not far different, minus some cultural and travel constraints than FSU ones (I repeat myself here).

Ah sorry Pat I didn't realise you might have not understood the slant on the terminology. In the UK when we say we are 'chatting up' a girl we mean a certain type of chatting other than normal dialogue. Chatting up will involve probing, flirting possibly even romantic discussion and will have an emphasis or tone of heightened interest in the girl you are chatting up.

Sometimes it is not always clear if a guy is chatting up a girl or not and maybe open for debate between the girl and her girlfriends, friends or family. A girl of course can react badly to being chatted up or the guy may end up feeling humiliated or embarrassed by the girl or her girlfriends, etc. Sometimes it is so vague the line at which chatting becomes chatting up that it can be quieried by the recipient, whether a male or female, sometimes seriously and sometimes as a joke, i.e a guy coming across as unintentionally chatting up another guy, lol. At which point the guy might say, "are you chatting me up?" - you here it in the UK occasionally possibly Australia, US etc too.

Anyway, if you got familiar with UK women you would find they are a different kettle of fish from FSW. Some are very career minded to the point of obsession, others can be dismissive, inwardly aggressive and dodgy to get into a relationship with. In general though it is more about the feeling I get when near them, they give of a far more masculine vibe than Ukrainian ladies and tend to be less attractive also. Even the slimmer UK women on the whole are not an attractive bunch. The odd few that score high on the looks chart know it as they have loads of guys chasing them.
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2019, 11:02:21 AM »
So what does a FSW mean when she says she wants 'a smart guy who knows what he wants?'

Now I'm guessing that she doesn't mean that he's able to decide what meal he's going for when waiting in queue at McDonald's.

I hear FSW say this sort of thing a fair bit, also from some Western Women also. It could mean the same thing I'm guessing or it could be different. I have my ideas on what she likely means by this but I could be way of base for all I know. What are the thoughts of members here on this?

There are two types of prowling men on any social gathering.

Men who are in every corner of the room scanning the pretty girls and contemplating what to say and/or what she could be thinking. They'll do that all night long until it's time to go home alone.

Then there are those men who enters the room and let the women do the scanning and the contemplating.

You don't 'plan' to react to what women do or say. You make women react to you. Who the heck cares what they mean with the phrase in this stage of your meeting? It bears no purpose,  meaning much less significance.

You either get out there and mix it up or forever sit in that proverbial corner until it's time to go home alone. You got to be tired being in the latter all the time, TC.
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2019, 11:38:33 AM »
Trench...

I always point out to guys here this little detail...
what you label an “external” problem, i.e. “the UK women are too masculine...”
is actually an “internal” problem...
which is your own insecurity around women
THIS is what you are actually experiencing....

ONLY ONE WAY to fix that...

it’s totally the reason why I want to go out and make the big bucks in Moscva...
you would not freakin believe the women I see there...
I mean WOW!!!
I keep introducing the MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN I have ever seen in my life to my wife at the parties we go to, and when I see her flirting with one, I disappear...
it’ll be just a matter of time before she hooks up with one...
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2019, 04:49:13 PM »
Trench...

I always point out to guys here this little detail...
what you label an “external” problem, i.e. “the UK women are too masculine...”
is actually an “internal” problem...
which is your own insecurity around women
THIS is what you are actually experiencing...

This is a good article in what is happening to many men in the west Krim, written by a female no less, lol:

http://thoughtcatalog.com/erica-gordon/2014/08/bring-back-the-alpha-male-a-man-who-knows-what-he-wants-and-goes-for-it/

Explains what has been happening to me & Davo and many western men and what your daughters have been finding I think.
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2019, 11:11:06 PM »
More Trench BS ensues...

I know the point and relevance of what you are saying Pat but to me UK women are most often a turn off for me.

Translation : Most UK women are not interested in you..



 Most are just so totally different to UW that there is no correlation between the two. UK women are masculine in personality so much so that it would almost be like going up and chatting up a guy. For me UK and Ukrainian women are two different species and chatting up a UK woman wouldn't translate the same as chatting up a Ukrainian women as they act so differently. Chatting up a UK women is likely to be more of a demoralising negative than anything. I would rather spend my time messaging or skyping with a UW.

Messaging is a waste of time unless you can get on a plane and make it real...You are just wasting the lass' time..

How many guys get some sort of 'thrill' from chatting to women they will never meet? FAR too many and they are the 'standard' set to FSU women...((

'Masculine' UK ladies just see through you ...


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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2019, 02:42:52 AM »
There are two types of prowling men on any social gathering.


Then there are those men who enters the room and let the women do the scanning and the contemplating.

You don't 'plan' to react to what women do or say. You make women react to you. Who the heck cares what they mean with the phrase in this stage of your meeting? It bears no purpose,  meaning much less significance.

You either get out there and mix it up or forever sit in that proverbial corner until it's time to go home alone. You got to be tired being in the latter all the time, TC.
+5 well written 

I was there before :   
 
"Men who are in every corner of the room scanning the pretty girls and contemplating what to say and/or what she could be thinking. They'll do that all night long until it's time to go home alone."
 
Try to move to this position:   
 
"Then there are those men who enters the room and let the women do the scanning and the contemplating."

Read : "Operation white panther"
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2019, 02:51:14 AM »
More Trench BS ensues...

Translation : Most UK women are not interested in you..


Messaging is a waste of time unless you can get on a plane and make it real...You are just wasting the lass' time..

How many guys get some sort of 'thrill' from chatting to women they will never meet? FAR too many and they are the 'standard' set to FSU women...((

'Masculine' UK ladies just see through you ...


This forum is just your 'escape' from your boring job))

I will tell you now my job unlike a lot of jobs in the UK is far from boring. My main problem I have with it is the fact like most jobs is that I cannot go long periods of leave without losing my currently only source of income.

I would also not message women where I cannot get on a plane to visit them. That is why I have not done so over the past few months. Shortly I will begin messaging women again as I now have the means back to go out there and visit them. I've visited them before so I have shown I'm no Keyboard Romeo.

It may be true many/most UK women may not be interested in me as the above article explains why. It's not just me but many men as Krimster's daughters will testify. The thing is that western society makes western men weak by putting women in competition with us. A weak guy cannot act strong from a position of weakness. His weakness is apparent to all and is common sense that you don't do this. To act from a position if weakness would be risky and foolish. For example a guy at work would not likely risk telling his bosses what to do if he needed to hold onto the job for financial reasons. However, as soon as he doesn't need the job for financial reasons/obligations then he can act as he pleases, he may not last long but any risk he takes by telling it like it is/the way he sees it no longer has a crippling financial penalty. If a guy suffers a crippling financial penalty ie losing his job by riskly upsetting his bosses by opening his trap then he is in an even weaker position and then has to go cap in hand looking for another job - he is even weaker and will likely learn from the experience and be or become more passive in future.

Incidentally, while UK women are not generally interested in me I have become not interested in them for the reasons I have explained already.
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2019, 02:55:59 AM »
+5 well written 

I was there before :   
 
"Men who are in every corner of the room scanning the pretty girls and contemplating what to say and/or what she could be thinking. They'll do that all night long until it's time to go home alone."
 
Try to move to this position:   
 
"Then there are those men who enters the room and let the women do the scanning and the contemplating."

It could be worth a go and is certainly a new way of doing things. It could well be though that the guys this works for are towards the 8-10 masculine looking model looks guy range. The change in psychology might do it alone or it might just come down to looks. Kind of reminds me of the psychology video in a nightclub of singles Davo showed us. Is it just how they act or is it just down to looks from the get go.
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2019, 03:37:21 AM »
Anyway, back to the essence of this thread. From what I can see in the FSU while being passive is to be avoided being too aggressive & getting into conflict with a girl is also. For me in my discussions with FSW in the past it's really other skills/personalities you have to employ.

Instead of agreeing to what the woman says which by doing so she can lose respect for you I have found with a previous girl that winning an argument by logic can be a successful way out. FSW often use logic themselves to win an argument so for some women that are good at using logic themselves this may be a tough task.

In this case perhaps obstinacy can be the way to go. So even if a FSW wins an argument through logic then being obstinate and still doing what you want could come across to her as a sign of strength and work. In the west we have been told mostly be women that this is being pig headed and seems illogical if the argument is lost, but I reckon in the FSW it would likely work a treat :)

Probably there are other methods/personalities that could be employed to avoid the default passive caving in to a FSW. Any other ideas guys?
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2019, 07:59:04 AM »
It could be worth a go and is certainly a new way of doing things. It could well be though that the guys this works for are towards the 8-10 masculine looking model looks guy range. The change in psychology might do it alone or it might just come down to looks. Kind of reminds me of the psychology video in a nightclub of singles Davo showed us. Is it just how they act or is it just down to looks from the get go.

Trench I am going to tell you this with the best of intentions. I hope you listen and grasp it but I really have no idea that you will. You've been told the same thing a dozen other different ways and still don't "get it". It really doesn't matter how you look, short of looking like the Elephant man or Fathertime. There is a "mindset" of confidence that men who are successful with women have around women. That confidence is that they know they are going to have a fun, humorous, perhaps interesting conversation or small talk with any woman they chose. Those men are interesting. They make themselves interesting with the woman they engage. Great looks and a fat wallet will always get a degree of attention but neither is required to walk in and collect the most beautiful desired woman in the room. I am proof positive of that.

You're still hanging yourself up with immaturity and what's the best pick up lines for 8-9's in UA or England? What's the best PA techniques? You are missing the main point that many here have been slapping you upside the head with. You stated you have neither money or looks. You need to keep visiting the gym for your health and to get that extra bacon off your belly. But even it isn't going to improve your chances until you get your mind right. Your brain is the most useful organ you have and you keep completely ignoring it.

Women are not objects to be graded. Especially by you. It doesn't matter if they are FSUW or from merry ole England. They are people and most of them have a need to be treated like people as opposed to your 8-9. It doesn't matter if they are 9-10's or 2-3's when you get to a point that you can treat them alike you'll be much more successful with the ladies

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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2019, 09:28:20 AM »
Trench I am going to tell you this with the best of intentions. I hope you listen and grasp it but I really have no idea that you will. You've been told the same thing a dozen other different ways and still don't "get it". It really doesn't matter how you look, short of looking like the Elephant man or Fathertime. There is a "mindset" of confidence that men who are successful with women have around women. That confidence is that they know they are going to have a fun, humorous, perhaps interesting conversation or small talk with any woman they chose. Those men are interesting. They make themselves interesting with the woman they engage. Great looks and a fat wallet will always get a degree of attention but neither is required to walk in and collect the most beautiful desired woman in the room. I am proof positive of that.

Spot on, Bruddah! If you lined up successful guys, young and old, what you'll have is a line-up of men who are athletic, talented, rich, witty, smart, funny. Handsome and ugly matters, sure - but that is never the decider. There will never be one type that monopolizes the feline grab. There is however ONE common denominator in all of the above types - CONFIDENCE.

The first thing one notices with these men is - none of them give a hoot about lines, how-tos and all that jazz. They make the rule, not the other way around.

A confident guy will have the 'walk', the presence of mind and senses because he didn't cluttered up his mind with scripted lines and plans and *what-to-do-next*, *what-could-she-be-thinking*. Everything is fluid. He leads , she follows. She's unbalanced, she's mystified, she's hook. This sh!t is easy. Ever wonder why when you have a woman in your arms, especially a pretty one, women seem to notice you? That's because you're exuding that confidence, that 'presence'.

I know this can seem so difficult to do for many-a-men, and I will agree it'll take 'practice' unless you're born with a gift mentioned above. But unless you start and change your silly attitudes, you won't break through the insecurity barrier that you imposes in yourselves and that's kept you from reaping the sweet and endless social rewards out there within your reach..

I've told TC before one good way to start is get in a sport team, or any group activity just to get in the mold of interacting with another person. This eventually leads to being at ease in 'socializing' with anyone and in any environment. Sparks a conversation about anything with anyone. Get comfortable breaking the ice with anyone anywhere. Sooner than you'd expect, people will gravitate towards you, and more specifically, women.

But, trench would likely just dispense with this and that's cool, too. It's always his call to begin with.
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Re: What does a FSW mean when she says:
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2019, 10:13:59 AM »
I myself, start to be desesperated to find some hints useful for Trench.
Like GQ, FP, and many others we are repeating and repeating things around the same topic, using different approaches. 
 
But he seems to get it two minutes, and come back to the same conceptual things, casted in the stone.Repeating the same pattern, again and again.   
 
The loop is exactly his comfort zone. And his comfort zone is to stay in the loop. It's not that we dislike Trench, we have some affection for him.   
   
Trench what are the type of things you have done in your life that are quite not ordinary? (parachute, writing a book, making a spectacle alone for 10 minutes in front of 80 people, jumping in the care doing 600 miles just to meet a girl, driving a bike at 160 miles per hour, running in a forest alone at night from any habitants etc etc ...)
 
Trench may you describe us what is special in your life, what are your interested in, how many times you speak to complete strangers?
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