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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1075 on: July 13, 2020, 08:33:31 AM »
Hell, look at their death per capita where they are and there you can easily see the absurdity of their 'expert assessments'. Google have that affect on so many people these days.

Remember your words (especially 'absurd') in 90 days or so, maybe far less, when deaths per capita reach the same as Italy, maybe even Spain or UK.

I haven't seen anyone here claim to be an expert.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1076 on: July 13, 2020, 08:39:38 AM »
When it comes to death per capita, America is doing better than many European nations. If Democratic led States NJ, NY and a few of their neighbors didn't screw up killing 1 out of every 600 residents in a few months because they acted too late, America's death per capita would look much better. Some American States are doing better than every European nation.

The virus is worse than thought to be because some people won't take it serious and some are too serious about it. There will be nations not doing enough to stop the spread. There will be nations killing their economy doing too much to stop the spread. It would've been better if this virus was only as dangerous as the flu and everybody can accept living with the virus forever just like we live with the flu virus or better if the virus killed 100% of the people it infected forcing everybody in every nation to hide for a short time at the same time to prevent any spread and eventually the virus would cease to exist. If the virus killed 100% of those it infected, the spread may have stopped in China since China would've taken it more seriously.

It's going to take years before we learn which nations did too much, too little, or applied the right amount of action against the virus. All we can do now is argue about it.


wearing me "Make American Great Again' cap. LMAO. I can't count the number of thumbs-up and fist pumps I got.


A popular YouTuber said he got a lot of compliments while wearing his MAGA mask. Does anybody get any compliments wearing Biden related merchandise? Does Biden merchandise even sell? I still see more Bernie stuff out there than Biden's.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1077 on: July 13, 2020, 08:39:48 AM »
Remember your words (especially 'absurd') in 90 days or so, maybe far less, when deaths per capita reach the same as Italy, maybe even Spain or UK.

I haven't seen anyone here claim to be an expert.

90 days?!? Didn't you already made that statement 90 days ago, BC? Why wait 90? I can state matter of factl today YOU don't have an ounce of an idea what every day life is like INSIDE the US other than what you read on the internet. It's bullshit and you know. The US will never suffer the situation where our healthcare facilities will ever choose on who gets to die or live because of lack of equipment like you guys over there did with your sick. Considering the northern region was regarded as the crme de la crme of your healthcare system, LMAO!

Almost 4 years later and you still haven't gotten closure from the 2016 election, dude. It's pitiful.

If life is so much better there, why not forego your citizenship and leave the miseries you believe we live in to ourselves. Walk you silly talk, BC. Maybe even I will believe what you talk about if you do.

Get a grip, man! You ain't *us*...
« Last Edit: July 13, 2020, 08:44:46 AM by GQBlues »
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1078 on: July 13, 2020, 09:12:43 AM »
You are a riot GQ.

My last prediction was 50k infections per day in the coming weeks.  Unfortunately, that happened. 

A while back I did say that the US will meet or exceed Italy's death per million but can't recall the exact timeline for that. Maybe was something like election day or end of the year.  If you find it let me know.

Why 90 days?  Data and mathematics, nothing more.  No politics, no bias, no elections, no citizenship, - just plain maths.

What is pitiful is your head in the sand.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1079 on: July 13, 2020, 09:24:08 AM »
50K infection means exactly what BC?

Listen, there's not even a 3rd world country that had so far resorted to picking between the sick on who gets to live or die because of lack of equipment, man. Don't ignore this VERY significant reality where you are dude.

The fact is, *our* (not including you), leader made sure this doesn't happen here. One you cannot claim to have where you are.

Like I said upthread....walk the talk! Shed the citizenship of a country you possess disdain for. Live the rest of your happy life in Utopia. You ain't *us*, *we* and all this silliness you think you're in. Until then anything that comes out of you is pure BS.

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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1080 on: July 13, 2020, 09:58:38 AM »
50k means we are letting the virus win, and even flourish.  That more folks will end up in the hospital and more will die that should not have to.  Let's hope that doctors anywhere will not have to make some of the same decisions that were made here in the weeks and months to come.  Yet is a big word.

The rest of your commentary deserves no response other than 'if it pisses you off, your problem and not mine'.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1081 on: July 13, 2020, 10:31:12 AM »
50k means we are letting the virus win, and even flourish.  That more folks will end up in the hospital and more will die that should not have to.  Let's hope that doctors anywhere will not have to make some of the same decisions that were made here in the weeks and months to come.  Yet is a big word.

The rest of your commentary deserves no response other than 'if it pisses you off, your problem and not mine'.

Get a grip BC. It's true we haven't implemented a social program to provide amnesty to migrant workers to get out there and expose themselves to the virus so the natives can stay home for shelter. I'm glad Italy instigated that program. Hell, I'm glad Italy is where it's at in all facets of its existence. Bravo!!!!

This is NOT a competition. You have this sinister intent to make everything about politics, notably your hard-on about/against Trump. Get over it. Good, bad or indifferent, the US will do what it feels it needs to do...As of today, our government haven't yet unleashed the military on the streets for lockdown enforcement unlike many places in the world today.

Show us your conviction. Shed the citizenship if you really feel you are much better off where you are than where we are. Don't make excuses. You're like an insolent teenager who thinks he's got the world figured out but haven't the bawls to go and prove his conviction. Instead he sticks around and bitch like a banshee.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2020, 10:47:07 AM by GQBlues »
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1082 on: July 13, 2020, 10:57:52 AM »

Listen, there's not even a 3rd world country that had so far resorted to picking between the sick on who gets to live or die because of lack of equipment, man.

For a guy that tells a US citizen he knows nothing about his own country, when he has family there you are on a roll of DUMB ASSertions

Italy may or may not be 'third world' to you, but it you seem to have 'missed' when the very decisions you said 'didn't happen' .. :wallbash:

From Italy March 13th 2020

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-hospitals-doctor-lockdown-quarantine-intensive-care-a9401186.html

We are making difficult choices: Italian doctor tells of struggle against coronavirus"


WHY does GQB make stuff up when busted ?
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1083 on: July 13, 2020, 11:08:18 AM »
For a guy that tells a US citizen he knows nothing about his own country, when he has family there you are on a roll of DUMB ASSertions

Italy may or may not be 'third world' to you, but it you seem to have 'missed' when the very decisions you said 'didn't happen' .. :wallbash:

From Italy March 13th 2020

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-hospitals-doctor-lockdown-quarantine-intensive-care-a9401186.html

We are making difficult choices: Italian doctor tells of struggle against coronavirus"


WHY does GQB make stuff up when busted ?

Here's another *expert* of everything under the sun by virtue of Google.

Get a friend, worm. Even one. It'll definitely make the world a much better place for you.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2020, 11:10:06 AM by GQBlues »
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1084 on: July 13, 2020, 11:10:42 AM »
GQB, now thoroughly busted now tries to suggest the info is 'false' :popcorn:

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1085 on: July 13, 2020, 11:14:08 AM »
GQB, now thoroughly busted now tries to suggest the info is 'false' :popcorn:

:ROFL:

You don't even know what you're talking about now, worm. I'll let you suffer with that on your own. :devil:
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1086 on: July 13, 2020, 11:52:56 AM »
Panicdemic! Record Number of Coronavirus Cases Hyped
But Deaths, Recoveries Downplayed

From Alex Berenson
And after a week of nightmare headlines about Florida, and about 70,000 new cases (aka positive tests), hospitals have a grand total of 130 more patients (~2.5%) in ICU beds statewide than last Sunday. Cant make it up. 45 deaths today, in a state with 20 million people.
http://twitter.com/AlexBerenson


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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1087 on: July 13, 2020, 12:36:40 PM »
Well done, Angela!

http://www.businessinsider.com/angela-merkel-coronavirus-exposes-leaders-fact-denying-populism-trump-2020-7


Merkel says the coronavirus pandemic has exposed leaders who rely on 'fact-denying populism'


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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1088 on: July 13, 2020, 01:37:27 PM »
Panicdemic! Record Number of Coronavirus Cases Hyped
But Deaths, Recoveries Downplayed

From Alex Berenson
And after a week of nightmare headlines about Florida, and about 70,000 new cases (aka positive tests), hospitals have a grand total of 130 more patients (~2.5%) in ICU beds statewide than last Sunday. Cant make it up. 45 deaths today, in a state with 20 million people.
http://twitter.com/AlexBerenson

That was yesterday.  Today, FL DOH reported 12,500 positive tests statewide.  Deaths increased by 35.

I pay more attention to hospitalizations rather than new cases because a large percentage  of the new cases are asymptomatic, younger people socializing in closed air conditioned spaces.

People are being admitted everyday to hospitals.  Yet, it is difficult to see a trend.   Starting July 1, the number of  daily reported hospital admissions:

246
339
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940
160
510
328
  43
409
435
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248
227

Clearly there are some daily inconsistencies, yet the 13-day average is 357 per day, vs. 10,000+ new positive cases/day.  Around a 3.5% hospitalization rate.  Not that I want to be hospitalized, given the "Bald and Bankrupt" FSU traveler reported his "knob" doesn't work, not even a twitch. 

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1089 on: July 13, 2020, 02:04:28 PM »
I just fail to see the correlation between COVID and socialism.
 

Nor do I.  This is the reasoning: minorities are experiencing a greater percentage of new cases than their population numbers would suggest.  The left blames social and economic inequality. 

Any correlation about BLM rallies with no  black people attending?  It happens. 
 
 
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Which would totally overload the healthcare system, driving up the mortality rate.


Hasn't happened yet.  Nevertheless, I think it better not to push it.


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You can't accelerate the scientific method.  This warp speed thing is more about approval which lies with the USG and production. 

You can not give Trump a compliment even when he does something clearly beneficial to mankind.   

Yes, review and approval are accelerated, yet the real speed comes from Uncle Sam paying  the drug companies billions to accelerate development, to include starting production before Phase 3 trials are started.    We have several promising vaccines in such a pipeline.  There are issues and concerns that would compel private investments to slow, yet the US government pushes forward.   

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  Essentially it is a hedge bet to try and guarantee production for US needs and a place at the front of the line.


So wait for China?  You think China is benevolent? 


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You forgot the last part : .. and 'die' with it.

There are rewards.  On my recent birthday I did not stay homebound, but played golf, accomplishing the feat of shooting my age, actually 2 under my new age.  If I had stayed home I would have missed this little joyful event. 

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1090 on: July 13, 2020, 08:21:02 PM »
First dedicated Covid-19 antibody study concludes immunity may last a few months. Not good news. This has similar results to immunity studies done for other coronaviruses I posted upthread.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/virus-immunity-in-recovered-patients-may-be-gone-in-months-researchers-say/ar-BB16GohP?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds


CDC continues to learn more about the behavior of the coronavirus and now say 40% of the people infected are asymptomatic. 80% of teens and preteens are asymptomatic

http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/the-number-of-covid-patients-without-symptoms-is-growing-cdc-says/ar-BB16GlqB?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

http://bestlifeonline.com/age-group-asymptomatic/?utm_source=msn&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=msn-feed


The city of Seattle figures the best way to fund the battle against the virus is to raise taxes.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-city-council-passes-new-jumpstart-tax-on-high-salaries-paid-by-big-businesses/
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1091 on: July 13, 2020, 09:32:34 PM »
.  My inclination is to limit Lisa to home schooling or online learning if it is available from her school.   If it's only another 6 months before a vaccine or treatment is available, then maybe that is the best solution.  I just don't know.
You state you are in the vulnerable category, probably due to advanced age and one or more the other risk factors.    Since you are still contemplating a decision, I'll chime in.  I'd consider letting your wife/daughter live their life normally, even if it means without you temporary.  They are young and presumably healthy, and IF the state starts school up in the fall, then the child should be permitted to go.  People have undergone greater hardships than a temporary separation.  An apartment close by could be an option for you. 

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« Reply #1092 on: July 13, 2020, 09:52:25 PM »
Looks like the virus is going to claim a very heavy toll in the USA.  Those that thought it was a bunch of bull are being proved incorrect.   I expect to do battle with it at some point, if I haven't already.   Mother in law has it, but is still alive and kicking and it has been a few weeks.  Just stayed at home and is toughing it out.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1093 on: July 13, 2020, 11:12:46 PM »

Nor do I.  This is the reasoning: minorities are experiencing a greater percentage of new cases than their population numbers would suggest.  The left blames social and economic inequality. 

Any correlation about BLM rallies with no  black people attending?  It happens.


As far as catching it, anyone can.  My guess urban living has a major role with less social distancing.

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Hasn't happened yet.  Nevertheless, I think it better not to push it.

Italy, Spain, NY to name a few where healthcare resources were extremely stressed. 

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You can not give Trump a compliment even when he does something clearly beneficial to mankind. 
 

Was there anything derogatory in my post? 

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Yes, review and approval are accelerated, yet the real speed comes from Uncle Sam paying  the drug companies billions to accelerate development, to include starting production before Phase 3 trials are started.    We have several promising vaccines in such a pipeline.  There are issues and concerns that would compel private investments to slow, yet the US government pushes forward.
   

Sure, additional funding for pre-production and additional manufacturing capacity of vaccines that may or may not work in an attempt to speed up distribution possibilities is good and might save lives. Thus my 'hedging' comment.  I have not found much information on is how development can be sped up other than regulatory actions regarding ongoing trial processes.
 
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So wait for China?  You think China is benevolent?

Who mentioned China?

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« Reply #1094 on: July 13, 2020, 11:53:05 PM »


CDC continues to learn more about the behavior of the coronavirus and now say 40% of the people infected are asymptomatic. 80% of teens and preteens are asymptomatic



That's a little 'rigid', BillyB .. it depends on the region, the strain, etc.

Do we know how infectious asymptomatic kids are ?  Is sending the to school risking spreading the virus when they come home and visit their Grand parents ?

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1095 on: July 14, 2020, 04:36:51 AM »
This gathering of FSU W in SoCal at the weekend will be wondering why they can't go to the 'krasotka' ( beauty) salon ,the 'fitness center' and mall is closed .. for three days ( 'lockdown II')







http://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-07-13/no-god-no-tattoos-no-pilates-its-lockdown-2-0-california-sty


"California is back on coronavirus lockdown. And we have no one to blame but ourselves"
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1096 on: July 14, 2020, 06:31:58 AM »
As far as catching it, anyone can.  My guess urban living has a major role with less social distancing.

High population density and multi-generational habitation. 



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Italy, Spain, NY to name a few where healthcare resources were extremely stressed.
   

Most of my comments are based on the situation in Florida, my home state, which recently set the US record for the highest number of daily cases.   I see news reports that krimster's Houston is perilously close to being overwhelmed.  US military medical staff have been deployed to Texas to help.   
 

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Was there anything derogatory in my post? 


It was not your usual offendinista speak; however, the initiative is deserving of praise.  The fast track streamlining/funding is not limited to American pharmaceutical companies, but given to joint ventures with European entities.  Are EU countries also funding to the same level? 
   

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I have not found much information on is how development can be sped up other than regulatory actions regarding ongoing trial processes.

Pharma companies funding their own research  tend to be deliberate, proceeding at a cautious pace to avoid wasting money.   Pharma companies can now use Uncle Sam dollars to test larger trial populations and employ more staff to monitoring and analysis.     

 
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Who mentioned China?

I thought it well known that China is developing vaccine(s).  And the rumor says they are ahead of us.  There are vaccine development programs other than China and the American-Euro pharma companies, yet I don't believe these are progressing as well.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1097 on: July 14, 2020, 08:14:17 AM »
I thought it well known that China is developing vaccine(s).  And the rumor says they are ahead of us.  There are vaccine development programs other than China and the American-Euro pharma companies, yet I don't believe these are progressing as well.



 My guess is China put out the rumor China is having great success in developing a vaccine for COVID-19. Have they ever discovered a vaccine for anything? China is great at stealing ideas and copying them and making cheap junk. They are not known to lead in any technology. China may very well create the first vaccine but it won't meet ours or Europe's standards.


Here is China's Ministry of Health long list of approved treatments and cures for the Coronavirus. It's all BS. Google translate it.


http://www.xinhuanet.com/health/2020-03/04/c_1125661175.htm
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1098 on: July 14, 2020, 08:25:43 AM »
High population density and multi-generational habitation. 

Indeed.

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Most of my comments are based on the situation in Florida, my home state, which recently set the US record for the highest number of daily cases.   I see news reports that krimster's Houston is perilously close to being overwhelmed.  US military medical staff have been deployed to Texas to help. 


Yes is trending and broadening.  Hopefully can be turned around, but will be difficult at such levels of infection.  Take a ton of infections and even a small percentile of hospitalizations and deaths result in very large numbers.
 

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It was not your usual offendinista speak; however, the initiative is deserving of praise.  The fast track streamlining/funding is not limited to American pharmaceutical companies, but given to joint ventures with European entities.  Are EU countries also funding to the same level?

'Offendinista'? Learned long ago that if someone says something that bothers you, best to look within for the cause.  But unlike others, at least you often reply with questions seeking clarification instead of demanding someone burn their passport LOLO

Yes, billions have been contributed not only for production but early on for research as well.  Believe even some of those funds supported research for some of the candidates the US has invested in.

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Pharma companies funding their own research  tend to be deliberate, proceeding at a cautious pace to avoid wasting money.   Pharma companies can now use Uncle Sam dollars to test larger trial populations and employ more staff to monitoring and analysis.
 

Larger trials across a broad spectrum of Earth's population is always good. 

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I thought it well known that China is developing vaccine(s).  And the rumor says they are ahead of us.  There are vaccine development programs other than China and the American-Euro pharma companies, yet I don't believe these are progressing as well.

I wish them much success as well as others.  Hell, I hope they all work perfectly as we'll need every drop, maybe multiple times per year.  Maybe even combo injections will eventually come about as is the case with influenza vaccines.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1099 on: July 14, 2020, 11:25:43 AM »
dear folks on the outside

well, as you can see by the handy pie chart...
pie? did someone mention pie?
huh? where was I?

oh yeah, now I remember...
you can quite easily discern the start of Peak II here in Houston
that coincided with the reopening and its influence on social distancing...

ICUs are about at 99% capacity right now...
when we hit 100% we will have no choice but to triage ventilators
and give preference to those who are more likely to survive
and have young children, etc...

more and more military is coming in here all the time
some to manage food distribution and hand out
and some to help setup a field hospital outside the main hospital
to handle expansion

have not had any further confrontations with anti-maskers
did get up to 4, but the last one was a month ago....

I am now a deadly MFer with knives!
I NEVER leave home and go out in public without strapping on "my iron"
about 10% of the people I saw in the hardware store today were armed
including myself, of course...

I can draw 2 blades simultaneously and cut you twice in roughly one second
and do it in one single smooth movement you would barely even see
oh...
and I have a Colt Detective 2" barrel 38 special in a concealed ankle holster
loaded with 158 grain +p lead hollow points I cast and loaded myself
which has lead me to contemplate starting my own ammunition company

and this is why I am the Sultan who has a harem of Russian women
and you incels are just a bunch of girly-boys the women don't respect and look to for protection...
so you're all sitting at home watching porn and playing video games


« Last Edit: July 14, 2020, 11:42:32 AM by krimster2 »

 

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