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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1650 on: September 17, 2020, 06:12:12 PM »
Many scientists disagree.

http://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-does-new-study-give-evidence-that-coronavirus-was-made-lab-1532068



Another fact check. Fact checkers always tell the truth!





Every author in the first link works out of the Scripps institute in Florida.  Every author in the second link works at the University of Minnesota.



Those authors used other people's work that wasn't peer reviewed to help form their analysis. Don't blame me for not trusting their work.


The Chinese scientist in Faux Pas's link escaped from China and she has given numerous speeches. In one speech she said she will show us how China created the virus by replicating the procedure in a lab.


The Wuhan lab does work with the closest known relative of SARS-CoV-2, which is a bat coronavirus called RaTG13, [color=rgb(255, 114, 0) !important]evolutionary[/color][/font] virologist Edward Holmes, of the Charles Perkins Center and the Marie Bashir Institute for Infectious Diseases and Biosecurity at the University of Sydney, said in a statement from the Australian Media Center. But, he added, "the level of genome sequence divergence between SARS-CoV-2 and RaTG13 is equivalent to an average of 50 years (and at least 20 years) of [color=rgb(255, 114, 0) !important]evolutionary[/color] change." (That means that in the wild, it would take about 50 years for these viruses to evolve to be as different as they are.)

Though no scientists have come forth with even a speck of evidence that humans knowingly manipulated a virus using some sort of genetic engineering, a researcher at Flinders University in South Australia lays out another scenario that involves human intervention. Bat coronaviruses can be cultured in lab dishes with cells that have the human ACE2 receptor; over time, the virus will gain adaptations that let it efficiently bind to those receptors. Along the way, that virus would pick up random genetic mutations that pop up but don't do anything noticeable, said Nikolai Petrovsky, in the College of Medicine and Public Health at Flinders.

"The result of these experiments is a virus that is highly virulent in humans but is sufficiently different that it no longer resembles the original bat virus," Petrovsky said in a statement from the Australian Media Center. "Because the mutations are acquired randomly by selection, there is no signature of a human gene jockey, but this is clearly a virus still created by human intervention."[/b]
http://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-complicated-origins.html
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1651 on: September 17, 2020, 06:14:40 PM »
Many scientists disagree.

http://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-does-new-study-give-evidence-that-coronavirus-was-made-lab-1532068


Many scientists agree so where does that leave us? IIRC I pointed out early on it had all the ear markings of a bioweapon to which you vehemently disagreed. I suspect the truth is yet to be discovered here

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1652 on: September 17, 2020, 06:18:04 PM »

Another fact check. Fact checkers always tell the truth!





Those authors used other people's work that wasn't peer reviewed to help form their analysis. Don't blame me for not trusting their work.


The Chinese scientist in Faux Pas's link escaped from China and she has given numerous speeches. In one speech she said she will show us how China created the virus by replicating the procedure in a lab.



Unfortunately she has been banned on social media platforms. Almost a sure sign she speaks some truth. She's not silenced, yet

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1653 on: September 17, 2020, 06:30:46 PM »



Part of the problem is TDS(Trump Derangement Syndrome) which a lot of scientists are diagnosed with. Trump claimed he seen evidence that the virus was made in a lab. Scientists go out of their way to prove him wrong and then claim he doesn't believe in science. Of course science can happen in a lab. Nations developing bioweapons take viruses and bacteria and hope to change them into a superweapon. Speeding up evolution in a lab is one method to achieving results. Even a person who's not a scientist can see that is a possibility but there's too much anti Trump, pro China propaganda out there that claims there's no way the virus in our body could've been created in a lab. What are the chances the virus of the century showed up near the only facility in China that is qualified to house it? SARS from 2002 is still studied in Chinese labs and it has escaped 6 times. China has a poor record of keeping bacteria and viruses from escaping their labs. I'm not surprise their new Frankenstein escaped.
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« Reply #1654 on: September 17, 2020, 08:09:11 PM »
Part of the problem is TDS(Trump Derangement Syndrome) which a lot of scientists are diagnosed with. Trump claimed he seen evidence that the virus was made in a lab. Scientists go out of their way to prove him wrong and then claim he doesn't believe in science.

Yeah, that's the problem. Scientists going out of their way to prove Trump wrong, because they don't have anything better to do. I think you nailed it Billy.  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1655 on: September 17, 2020, 08:33:21 PM »
Unfortunately she has been banned on social media platforms. Almost a sure sign she speaks some truth. She's not silenced, yet

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1656 on: September 17, 2020, 08:37:24 PM »


Part of the problem is TDS(Trump Derangement Syndrome) which a lot of scientists are diagnosed with. Trump claimed he seen evidence that the virus was made in a lab. Scientists go out of their way to prove him wrong and then claim he doesn't believe in science. Of course science can happen in a lab. Nations developing bioweapons take viruses and bacteria and hope to change them into a superweapon. Speeding up evolution in a lab is one method to achieving results. Even a person who's not a scientist can see that is a possibility but there's too much anti Trump, pro China propaganda out there that claims there's no way the virus in our body could've been created in a lab. What are the chances the virus of the century showed up near the only facility in China that is qualified to house it? SARS from 2002 is still studied in Chinese labs and it has escaped 6 times. China has a poor record of keeping bacteria and viruses from escaping their labs. I'm not surprise their new Frankenstein escaped.

Those same scientists were the first to declare this virus developed in the wet market 500 yards from the Wuhan lab denying that it could have escaped from the lab. In 2018 the Wuhan lab it was found was quite lax in security for a supposedly highly secure lab. There is grants paid to the lab from the Obama administration (why does the Barry admin give grants to a lab in Wuhan China, supported by our own Dr. Fauci btw anyway?) The old adage "if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, it's probably a fuggin duck"

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1657 on: September 17, 2020, 08:40:56 PM »
Yeah, that's the problem. Scientists going out of their way to prove Trump wrong, because they don't have anything better to do. I think you nailed it Billy.  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Are you becoming confederate?

You're a bit of an enigma to me. Much of the time you appear to be an intelligent sort but then other times you seem to be sucking the koolaid down about as fast as they hand it to you. I know you are voting Biden but, can you tell me 3 reasons why without mentioning Trump?

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1658 on: September 17, 2020, 10:36:15 PM »


Politifact fact checking is calling the Chinese scientist a liar. As proof, they put a link to the Nature website which used Chinese studies to come to their conclusion the virus wasn't made in a lab. Lol. Politifact is run by the Polynter Institute which is owned by the Tampa Bay Times, the most liberal newspaper in America based on the fact they never endorse Republicans. Politifact is staffed by liberal journalists. I can fact check better than journalists who have reputations for lying on political issues.

http://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/16/li-meng-yan/tucker-carlson-guest-airs-debunked-conspiracy-theo/

Speaking of the now famous Nature website that broke the story the virus in our body didn't come from a lab, here is a 2017 Nature article saying China's New and only level 4 lab in Wuhan has plans to house the world's most dangerous pathogens including zoonotic viruses those that jump to humans from animals, such as SARS or Ebola. The article also states SARS escaped from Chinese labs multiple times. Who here thinks China's intention is to just study viruses and doesn't have a biological weapons program?

http://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1659 on: September 17, 2020, 11:35:10 PM »

Politifact fact checking is calling the Chinese scientist a liar. As proof, they put a link to the Nature website which used Chinese studies to come to their conclusion the virus wasn't made in a lab. Lol. Politifact is run by the Polynter Institute which is owned by the Tampa Bay Times, the most liberal newspaper in America based on the fact they never endorse Republicans. Politifact is staffed by liberal journalists. I can fact check better than journalists who have reputations for lying on political issues.

http://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/16/li-meng-yan/tucker-carlson-guest-airs-debunked-conspiracy-theo/

Speaking of the now famous Nature website that broke the story the virus in our body didn't come from a lab, here is a 2017 Nature article saying China's New and only level 4 lab in Wuhan has plans to house the world's most dangerous pathogens including zoonotic viruses those that jump to humans from animals, such as SARS or Ebola. The article also states SARS escaped from Chinese labs multiple times. Who here thinks China's intention is to just study viruses and doesn't have a biological weapons program?

http://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487

IIRC Forbes or possibly Fortune magazine broke the story that it was definitely a bio engineered weapon about 6 weeks ago or so. Then within a few hours the internet was scrubbed and the story disappeared.

It's sort of like the University of Fairbanks study which proves unequivocally that NIST lied about WTC7 and also the New York Fire Commissioners who say that with 100% certainty all three buildings were brought down by controlled demolitions.

Both Conservatives and Liberals don't believe a story unless:

A) big corporate media covers it
and
B) the government says it's true.

If big corporate media doesn't cover the story, in their mind it isn't real and it didn't happen.

The FBI could be getting sued for covering up evidence and lying to Congress about 9/11, which they are right now in Federal court in NY City.

But if the major media outlets (Pravda, LOL!) are not covering it, they will remain blissfully unaware that the crime of the Century was an inside job.

They simply cannot comprehend nor accept that US media is just as corrupt, or more so, then (insert evil empire name here).

And due to cognitive dissonance and an inability to comprehend that big governments throughout history have done evil incomprehensible things, it just doesn't compute.

Much too easy to label stuff "conspiracy blah blah".
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1660 on: September 17, 2020, 11:45:42 PM »
Yeah, that's the problem. Scientists going out of their way to prove Trump wrong, because they don't have anything better to do. I think you nailed it Billy.  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

He probably did nail it. Does that bother you?
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1661 on: September 17, 2020, 11:50:31 PM »
Are you becoming confederate?

Thx for the compliment!

However Faux Pas would need to be more pro-Iranian and be able to see through the propaganda of zionist warmongers.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1662 on: September 18, 2020, 10:07:40 AM »
He probably did nail it. Does that bother you?

If both you and Billy agree on something then I'm very sure it has ZERO credibility.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1663 on: September 18, 2020, 10:12:52 AM »
Much too easy to label stuff "conspiracy blah blah".

Because that is, in fact, what it is.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1664 on: September 18, 2020, 10:21:57 AM »
Many scientists agree so where does that leave us? IIRC I pointed out early on it had all the ear markings of a bioweapon to which you vehemently disagreed. I suspect the truth is yet to be discovered here


No, many scientists don't agree.  The "source" you cited used such laudable secondary sources as a Linkedin article by a scientist who is not an expert in the field, a blog article, and an article by an anti GM foods website for her paper.  Her paper is not peer reviewed, and none of her co authors have any published works.


Please point me to peer reviewed studies.  The Royal Society synopsis I linked (paper also is online) is peer reviewed.


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« Reply #1665 on: September 18, 2020, 10:26:30 AM »
You're a bit of an enigma to me. Much of the time you appear to be an intelligent sort but then other times you seem to be sucking the koolaid down about as fast as they hand it to you. I know you are voting Biden but, can you tell me 3 reasons why without mentioning Trump?

1. Expanded health care coverage
2. Better job handling Covid-19
3. Re-establishing relationships with our allies.

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« Reply #1666 on: September 18, 2020, 10:27:50 AM »
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1667 on: September 18, 2020, 10:41:49 AM »

Yeah, that's the problem. Scientists going out of their way to prove Trump wrong, because they don't have anything better to do. I think you nailed it Billy.  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


it would be extremely rare for an infected bat to bite a deer and that deer gets successfully infected and then a human undercooks the deer meat and gets infected by a coronavirus that mutated within the deer enough to be able to attached itself to human cells. Why wait for extremely rare events? We can speed up evolution by putting that bat coronavirus in 1000 petri dishes with deer cells everyday increasing the chance of mutation within one of those petri dishes and when we have a successful mutation, we can put that mutated coronavirus in 1000 petri dishes with human cells everyday until we find a coronavirus that has learned to attach itself to human cells. Then we can take that coronavirus and grow even more. We can study it to see if it can be used as a biological weapon. Every major nation is doing or done these things in their quest for biological weapons.


If scientists are claiming there is zero chance the virus in our body was created in a lab and claim the speeding up of evolution can't happen in a lab, then they are stupid or suffering from TDS. You don't have to believe me. I put out an article with an evolutionary virologist from Australia saying man can speed up of evolution of viruses in a lab. Even a child can understand the process of speeding up evolution is possible and the process is simple. It's not as complicated as trying to manipulate DNA or RNA.
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« Reply #1668 on: September 18, 2020, 10:49:19 AM »

No, many scientists don't agree.  The "source" you cited used such laudable secondary sources as a Linkedin article by a scientist who is not an expert in the field, a blog article, and an article by an anti GM foods website for her paper.  Her paper is not peer reviewed, and none of her co authors have any published works.


Please point me to peer reviewed studies.  The Royal Society synopsis I linked (paper also is online) is peer reviewed.


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Yes many do agree. Your contention that a few academics in Cambridge who never actually investigated the virus know more that Dr Li-Meng, a top Virologist in her field, who did indeed investigate the covid-19 in and at the lab in Wuhan China. Yeah let's just discount her as a quack because she doesn't follow the same narrative as your beloved scientist.

Nah, I won't be pointing you anywhere. You stick with your version and I'll stick with mine

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1669 on: September 18, 2020, 10:49:48 AM »
Unfortunately she has been banned on social media platforms. Almost a sure sign she speaks some truth. She's not silenced, yet
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Twitter has suspended the account of a Chinese virologist who has claimed that COVID-19 was manufactured in a laboratory.
Dr. Li-Meng Yan, a former researcher at the Hong Kong School of Public Health, went dark on the platform after she accused China of covering up evidence that the deadly virus came from a lab in Wuhan.
They dont want the people to know this truth. Also, thats why I got suspended, I got suppression [and] I am the target that China Communist Part wants to [sic] disappear, she told Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Tuesday.
Carlson responded, Im giving you the benefit of the doubt so Im going to assume youre not an anti-Chinese racist so its not clear why Twitter would shut you down or why youre being ignored by the rest of the US media.
Twitter declined to comment to The Post on Wednesday.
http://nypost.com/2020/09/16/twitter-suspends-virologist-who-claims-covid-19-was-made-in-lab/


 
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1670 on: September 18, 2020, 10:54:13 AM »
1. Expanded health care coverage
2. Better job handling Covid-19
3. Re-establishing relationships with our allies.

He doesn't want to be a god but is actually a little boy, unlike his opponent.

You're being intellectually lazy. Sounds like the earlier talking points on MSNBC. Trump did an excellent job on the handling of covid.What exactly do you compare his handling to? Re-establishing relationships with our allies? Please expand on that. You mean the ones Obama mishandled? Like the Paris agreement, Iran treaty or the TPP?

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« Reply #1671 on: September 18, 2020, 11:03:17 AM »
Yes many do agree. Your contention that a few academics in Cambridge who never actually investigated the virus know more that Dr Li-Meng, a top Virologist in her field, who did indeed investigate the covid-19 in and at the lab in Wuhan China. Yeah let's just discount her as a quack because she doesn't follow the same narrative as your beloved scientist.

Nah, I won't be pointing you anywhere. You stick with your version and I'll stick with mine


You won't point me anywhere because you can't.  The Royal Society has cited numerous other sources in their paper, and this is not the first Western expert who has stated the genome is natural, not lab produced.  I cited another one at the start of the epidemic.


How do you now Dr. Li is a top virologist?  Do you have any credentials, beyond what Dr. Li tells us, to substantiate that?  No, I didn't think so. 


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« Reply #1672 on: September 18, 2020, 11:34:14 AM »
How do you now Dr. Li is a top virologist?  Do you have any credentials, beyond what Dr. Li tells us, to substantiate that?  No, I didn't think so. 


To filter out the massive articles about her in 2020, do a Google search of her name from 2019 and earlier and you'll see her credentials. She has a PhD, is recognized by WHO, and has been involved in 14 publications.

http://hk.linkedin.com/in/scarlett-li-meng-yan-92b851171

http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Limeng_Yan

http://virtual.keystonesymposia.org/ks/speakers/view/1097
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« Reply #1673 on: September 18, 2020, 11:35:08 AM »
How do you now Dr. Li is a top virologist?  Do you have any credentials, beyond what Dr. Li tells us, to substantiate that?  No, I didn't think so.
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At the time of the COVID-19 pandemic she was employed at the Hong Kong School of Public Health, University of Hong Kong (HKU), conducting research specialised in virology and immunology.[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Meng_Yan
 She must be onto something...the Chinese honchos want to kill her and she is in the USA hiding somewhere undisclosed. One of her colleagues [I understand] is reported "missing". 
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« Reply #1674 on: September 18, 2020, 11:37:28 AM »
To filter out the massive articles about her in 2020, do a Google search of her name ...
Boe consistently reports that she does not [seemingly] utilize google.
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