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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1875 on: October 28, 2020, 08:09:02 AM »



I'm glad Trump cut funding to WHO. They were just a sounding board for China's lies. In January China was telling everyone the virus isn't human to human transferable when they were quarantining tens of millions of people and building hospitals in record time. Go figure. Trump took early action and people were dumbfounded why he banned travel when they were trusting China and WHO.
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« Reply #1876 on: October 28, 2020, 09:44:50 AM »
Our government made sure food, PPE, ventilators and other things that involve life and death increased in production. Toilet paper, vitamin shortages, hand sanitizer and a few other little things ran out because people panicked from the little info they got about the virus. Now they criticize Trump for not saying enough about it. Lol.

Many were trying to profit, buying TP and other items in bulk to turn a buck or three hundred...  That's what scared the public.  Crowd dynamics and loss of confidence.  It is up to our leaders to maintain confidence that a crisis can be overcome.  Part of that is guaranteeing the supply and availability of necessary goods and services.

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« Reply #1877 on: October 28, 2020, 11:09:00 AM »
The Italians have a plan and are following it.

But their plan hasn't worked and isn't working. Italians are still getting sick at
record numbers and they've had some of the most restrictive measures. There
would be a world wide economic depression if the USA did what Italy did and it
wouldn't even be constitutionally possible.

Italy
Coronavirus Cases: 589,766
Deaths: 37,905 x 5.52 = 209,236
Recovered: 275,404
Population 60 million


USA
Coronavirus Cases: 9,070,847
Deaths: 232,541
Recovered: 5,893,662<<<<<<<<<< WTF?!?!
The USA should have had ONLY 1.5 million people recover!
How did this happen with Trump trying to kill everybody???
How did this happen? With Trump's gross mismanagement
compared with Italy's totalitarian government management?

Population 331 million (5.52 times more than 60 million)

Protesters clash with police in northern Italy as anger mounts over Covid-19 restrictions
http://www.cnn.com/2020/10/27/europe/italy-coronavirus-protests-intl/index.html

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1878 on: October 28, 2020, 12:12:56 PM »
Many were trying to profit, buying TP and other items in bulk to turn a buck or three hundred...  That's what scared the public.  Crowd dynamics and loss of confidence.  It is up to our leaders to maintain confidence that a crisis can be overcome. Part of that is guaranteeing the supply and availability of necessary goods and services.

BC,

A month ago you criticized Trump for playing the virus down so as not to create a panic.  Now you criticize Trump for not making the public feel more optimistic. 

This reeks of hypocrisy. 

Do you recall the gasoline shortages during the 1979 oil crises?  It was caused less by curtailment of Iranian supplies, but more  by panicking Americans who normally drive with less than half a tank deciding to fill their tanks at every opportunity.   Our declining gasoline supply lines  suddenly had to produce an additional 1.5 billion gallons to store an additional 10 gallons in 150 million cars.  The continuing ripple effect was crazy. 

In the case of toilet paper, unlike fuel tanks, people's closets could store not just twice their normal number of rolls but 10x if not more.  Remember the TP shortage started in Democrat California. 

BTW, everyone had TP; no asses went unwiped. 

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1879 on: October 28, 2020, 12:47:05 PM »
Gator,

Telling the truth about the severity of the crisis, and reassuring folks that supplies will continue to be delivered to stores unhindered along with guaranteeing prices at current levels is not hypocrisy.  It is exactly what was done here when the first store shelves were reported empty.  Except for hand sanitizer (a worldwide issue at the time) and masks (only needed when out shopping and bare necessities during the lockdown), other supplies and grocery items were always available.

Undue optimism and assurances that build confidence are two distinctly different beasts.

Now more is being reported about Trump's actions back then, about the time Fauci and Birx took the back seat, letting Trump run the nightly TV 'show'.

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The last thing was kind of doing the guidelines, which was interesting. And that in my mind was almost like you know, it was almost like Trump getting the country back from the doctors. Right? In the sense that what he now did was, you know, hes going to own the open-up.

There were three phases. Theres the panic phase, the pain phase and then the comeback phase. I do believe that last night symbolized kind of the beginning of the comeback phase. That doesnt mean theres not still a lot of pain and there wont be pain for a while, but that basically was, weve now put out rules to get back to work. Trumps now back in charge. Its not the doctors. Theyve kind of we have, like, a negotiated settlement.
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According to Fauci, Trump hasn't even attended their meetings on the virus for a couple of months.



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Re: 2019 - nCoV (more evidence that nobody knows anything)
« Reply #1880 on: October 28, 2020, 01:04:39 PM »
But their plan hasn't worked and isn't working. Italians are still getting sick at
record numbers and they've had some of the most restrictive measures. There
would be a world wide economic depression if the USA did what Italy did and it
wouldn't even be constitutionally possible.


Suggest you read my prior posts 2Tall.  During the period 1 July through end of September Italy had around a thousand deaths.  The US had 80,000.  The expected second wave is upon us here.  The US lags a couple of weeks or so. 

As Gator stated, more conclusions about mitigation efficacy and economic impact can be drawn down the road.  IMO much of the economic impact is yet to come.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1881 on: October 28, 2020, 01:14:03 PM »
Many were trying to profit, buying TP and other items in bulk to turn a buck or three hundred...  That's what scared the public.  Crowd dynamics and loss of confidence.  It is up to our leaders to maintain confidence that a crisis can be overcome.  Part of that is guaranteeing the supply and availability of necessary goods and services.


Again, you don't like Trump so much, you forget anything he does good. The feds were banning exports of PPE. They were going after people who were hoarding and price gouging. As far as toilet paper shortages go, it wasn't as bad as people think since napkins and paper towels replaced toilet paper. If people truly didn't have anything to wipe their butt, you would see a spike in ass rashes.


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« Reply #1882 on: October 28, 2020, 01:16:20 PM »

According to Fauci, Trump hasn't even attended their meetings on the virus for a couple of months.

Evidently Macron, Merkel, and other Euro leaders stopped meeting too.   Or otherwise they would have heeded the advice of their health scientists, thus preventing the resurgence.   

Or maybe the world has been beset by a pandemic that will exact a toll from every nation and will not attenuate in the near future without a vaccine or a Chinese lockdown. 

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« Reply #1883 on: October 28, 2020, 01:23:58 PM »



The Democrats claim Trump didn't warn people enough. Here's some stuff I posted back in April to show Democrats and liberal media not taking it serioiusly. Biden has his experts telling him about the virus and no once did Biden notify the American people it's worse than what Trump has been saying.

Trump's State Department put out a warning to Americans visiting China January 15 and later enacted travel restrictions.

http://www.physiciansweekly.com/u-s-warns-citizens-in





January 14 - the WHO (World Health Organization) sent out a tweet declaring that there is no evidence of human-to-human transmission of the COVID-19 virus.

January 23 - Vox - "The evidence on travel bans for diseases like Coronavirus is clear: They don't work"

January 24 - Dr. Anthony Fauci National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) Director reported:
Covid 19 It isn't something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about, because we have ways of preparing and screening of.
It's a very, very low risk to the United States, but it's something that we as public health officials need to take very seriously.
However, Joe Scarborough and wife Minka had a segment where they said "no Americans need to be concerned about COVID-19 and should be more concerned about the common flu.

January 26: Fauci says Coronavirus is a very low risk to our country

January 27: Pelosi proposes legislation to bar the President from closing border

January 28: Business Insider - "flu is a far bigger threat to most people in the US than the Wuhan coronavirus"

January 29: LA Times - "The new coronavirus isn't a threat to people in the United States - but the flu is"

January 29: Joe Biden in a speech in Iowa said that Trump's idea of restricting travel from China was "Xenophobic".

January 30: WHO calls corona virus a healthcare emergency.

January 31: TRUMP CLOSES OUR BORDER to foreign nationals who had recently visited China.

WHO recommends against closing the border.
Democrats attack Trump as racist and xenophobic
NYT quotes an epidemiologist as saying that Trump's decision to restrict travel from China was "more of an emotional or political reaction."
WaPo quotes a Chinese official asking for "empathy" and slamming the White House for acting "in disregard of WHO recommendation against travel restrictions."
Vox tweets: "Is this going to be a deadly pandemic? No." (Tweet deleted weeks later).

February 1: Washington Post - "Get a grip, America. The flu is a much bigger threat than coronavirus, for now." New York Times - "Beware the Pandemic Panic - (used to justify unnecessarily severe limits on movement and civil liberties)"

February 2: TRUMP IMPOSES QUARANTINE on American travelers who recently visited China

WHO says virus can be easily controlled
CNN tweets a joke to downplay threat posed by Coronavirus: "There's a virus that has infected 15 millionAmericans across the country and killed more than 8,200 people this season alone. It's not a new pandemic it's influenza."
NYC Health Commissioner Barbot tweets: As we gear up to celebrate the #LunarNewYear in NYC, I want to assure New Yorkers that there is no reason for anyone to change their holiday plans, avoid the subway, or certain parts of the city because of #coronavirus."
New York City Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot, The risk to New Yorkers for Coronavirus is low and our preparedness as a city is very high. There is no reason not to take the subway, not to take the bus, not to go out to your favorite restaurant, and certainly not to miss the parade next Sunday. Im going to be there.

February 4: Politico - "Coronavirus quarantine, travel ban could backfire, experts fear"

February 7: Health Commissioner Barbot says "Were telling New Yorkers, go about your lives, take the subway, go out, enjoy life."

February 9: The chair of NYC Health Committee tweets: "In powerful show of defiance of #coronavirus scare, huge crowds gathering in NYC's Chinatown for ceremony ahead of annual #LunarNewYear parade. Chants of 'be strong Wuhan!' If you are staying away, you are missing out!"

February 11: Biden, through his adviser, says the evidence "suggests" the coronavirus won't be a "serious pandemic."

February 13: DeBlasio's office tweets "There are ZERO confirmed cases of coronavirus in New York City, and hundreds of Chinese restaurants that need your business! There is nothing to fear. Stop by any Chinatown for lunch or dinner!"

De Blasio tweets "It was my honor to spend time with our Asian-American owned small businesses in Flushing today. This vibrant community is standing strong but they need YOUR support. Our Chinatowns are open for business make some dinner plans, do some shopping and stand with our neighbors!"
Biden, through his advisor, praises de Blasio: "We dont have a #COVIDー19 epidemic in the US but we are starting to see a fear epidemic. Kudos to @NYCMayor (and others) for standing against that."

February 17: Fauci says risk of coronavirus infection in U.S. is "miniscule and people shouldn't wear masks unless they are contagious.

February 24: Nancy Pelosi says from San Francisco's China Town to come visit, it is safe and "there are no Coronavirus concerns". Then SF became one of the epicenters of the disease.

February 28: CDC RECOMMENDS SOCIAL DISTANCING

February 29: Fauci says risk is low and people can continue day-to-day routines re malls, movies

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« Reply #1884 on: October 28, 2020, 02:37:59 PM »


The Democrats claim Trump didn't warn people enough. Here's some stuff I posted back in April to show Democrats and liberal media not taking it serioiusly. Biden has his experts telling him about the virus and no once did Biden notify the American people it's worse than what Trump has been saying.


BillyB,  I recall your post.  Still valuable months later.  Don't upset the anti-Trumpers with such a factual timeline.  They despise facts; facts get in the way of their anti-Trump narrative.

Makes one wonder what Biden would have done differently other than just what Trump did except later.   One key difference - Biden would have done his best to have longer and stricter lockdowns, maybe doing permanent damage to the economy.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1885 on: October 28, 2020, 02:58:31 PM »



Here's one more. On January 24 Trump administration called on the full Senate to brief them about this new virus. He thought it was that important. Only 14 Senators showed up. The others busy with more important things like impeachment. Senators, Democrat and Republican who attended the briefing thanked the administration with this statement.


We are monitoring the outbreak of a novel coronavirus closely and are in close communication with United States government agencies on actions and precautions needed to prevent further spread of this virus, said the senators. The safety of U.S. citizens here domestically, as well as in China and other affected countries, is our first priority. The Chinese government has taken steps to share information with international health experts, and we encourage their cooperation and transparency as this situation unfolds. We thank administration officials for providing us with an update on this important issue, and for detailing their efforts to protect the American public. We will continue to work closely with administration officials to ensure the United States is prepared to respond.

http://www.help.senate.gov/ranking/newsroom/press/help-and-sfrc-leadership-statement-on-novel-coronavirus-outbreak-briefing

Trump wasn't hiding anything from politicians and the politicians promised to work closely with Trump on this for our benefit. They all were educated about the virus's behavior unless they didn't want to be educated about it. NOBODY said "Hit the brakes! We're about to rear end the car in front of us!" which tells me they were satisfied with the amount of information Trump gave to the public and his handling of it. My old posts were telling people not to be upset we're being lied to, it's only done to prevent panic and keep people from hoarding the PPE so medical personnel will have what they need. Case fatality rate in America is currently 4%. If Trump told Americans one out of every 25 people who get the virus will die, it will create mass panic, violence and death and the Democrats would blame Trump for mishandling the pandemic when causing additional deaths.


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« Reply #1886 on: October 28, 2020, 05:46:57 PM »
Do you recall the gasoline shortages during the 1979 oil crises?  It was caused less by
curtailment of Iranian supplies, but more  by panicking Americans who normally drive
with less than half a tank deciding to fill their tanks at every opportunity.   

Our declining gasoline supply lines  suddenly had to produce an additional 1.5 billion
gallons to store an additional 10 gallons in 150 million cars.  The continuing ripple effect
was crazy. 

The gasoline shortages of the 1970's was caused by Nixon and Carters price
controls on gas and nearly unrelated to the Iranian situation.

Read about it here
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-06-07-0706061080-story.html

And here
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/remembering-nixons-wage-price-controls

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (more evidence that nobody knows anything)
« Reply #1887 on: October 28, 2020, 05:59:02 PM »
Suggest you read my prior posts 2Tall.

You've been pretty consistent.

"Orange man is bad, he made people sick and die."

 
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« Reply #1888 on: October 28, 2020, 06:39:16 PM »
The gasoline shortages of the 1970's was caused by Nixon and Carters price
controls on gas and nearly unrelated to the Iranian situation.

Read about it here
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-06-07-0706061080-story.html

And here
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/remembering-nixons-wage-price-controls

Unlike you I was not in elementary school in the 1970s.  The US experienced a series of gas shortages in the 1970s.  Let me digress to discuss the earlier shortages (or price shocks),  particularly those stemming from the Arab oil embargo of 1973-74.  And yes, US government instituted price controls and mandated other ridiculous remedies such as a Federal mandated speed limit of 55MPH. 

The Arabs later looked back and realized how the 1973 embargo was a huge failure - it violated Rule 101 of Resource Management - keep prices lower than alternative supplies. One benefit to the US of the embargo  was compelling the US to reexamine its dependence on Middle East oil.  Oil production and energy conservation increased in the US, eventually reaching energy independence under Trump. 
     
Now to my post.  Please note I wrote the year 1979 in my post.  I remember it well as I had just left from a UN consulting job in Iran and returned to the US only to soon queue for gas.  Why don't you look 1979 up and get back to me.   

BTW, my post was about panic buying by the public. 

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« Reply #1889 on: October 29, 2020, 01:50:26 AM »
BillyB,  I recall your post.  Still valuable months later.  Don't upset the anti-Trumpers with such a factual timeline.  They despise facts; facts get in the way of their anti-Trump narrative.

Makes one wonder what Biden would have done differently other than just what Trump did except later.   One key difference - Biden would have done his best to have longer and stricter lockdowns, maybe doing permanent damage to the economy.

Gator,

You speak as if our president has nothing to say, cannot corral congressional and state leaders to take unified action, is powerless to appeal to the population to take prudent measures.  What was Trump saying during the exact same period reflected in BillyB's post?  Should we not take what a president says seriously?

The ONLY consistent message from Trump since January until today has been 'it's going to go away', and is an established 'Factual Timeline'.  Well, it hasn't gone away and will be around for some time to come.


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« Reply #1890 on: October 29, 2020, 02:20:51 AM »
Evidently Macron, Merkel, and other Euro leaders stopped meeting too.   Or otherwise they would have heeded the advice of their health scientists, thus preventing the resurgence.   

Or maybe the world has been beset by a pandemic that will exact a toll from every nation and will not attenuate in the near future without a vaccine or a Chinese lockdown.

I highly doubt they stopped meeting or listening to 'the doctors' and scientists.  At least no reports thereof.

Sure it will exact a toll, but one that can be attenuated.  A second wave was expected and is being dealt with accordingly.  We'll just have to see what works and what does not work this time 'round, hoping it works as well as or better than last time without requiring more stringent national lockdowns and overburdening the healthcare system.  But heck, even if we do need to have national lockdowns to keep things in check, we at least know how to do it, know it works and that the economy will recover over time.  Dead fathers, mothers, and children can't. 

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« Reply #1891 on: October 29, 2020, 05:14:20 AM »
Listen to science....

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Some likely even believe the toll the UK suffered from COVID can be blamed to the fact Trump was in the UK at one point. Yes, that must be it. Breathe some fresh air folks.
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« Reply #1892 on: October 29, 2020, 05:16:15 AM »
LMAO! Bill and his long-winded links are at it again...
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« Reply #1893 on: October 29, 2020, 05:45:49 AM »

You speak as if our president has nothing to say, cannot corral congressional and state leaders to take unified action....

You have lost your mind if you think Democrat leaders anywhere will listen to Trump.  If you did not notice, on Day One (Day minus 365), Democrats started a broad based movement to resist anything and  everything Trump attempts to do.   One exception, New York did accept Federal help (hospitals, respirators, etc.) only to not use it, resulting in more deaths. 



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...is powerless to appeal to the population to take prudent measures.  What was Trump saying during the exact same period reflected in BillyB's post?
 

Who says it was not a ploy to save Democrats, knowing they would do the opposite.    ;)



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Should we not take what a president says seriously?


Personally BC, I don't believe you would ever listen to Trump other than to find something to criticize.  And there are closed-mind millions just like you



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The ONLY consistent message from Trump since January until today has been 'it's going to go away', and is an established 'Factual Timeline'.  Well, it hasn't gone away and will be around for some time to come.

We are approaching the peak of the pandemic, and afterwards it will go away with the forthcoming vaccines. 

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« Reply #1894 on: October 29, 2020, 05:49:57 AM »
But heck, even if we do need to have national lockdowns to keep things in check, we at least know how to do it, know it works and that the economy will recover over time.

Economic recovery will take longer in Europe because you will start from a deeper hole. 


I predict we will be able to make a final accounting of all issues not until the end of 2021, start of 2022. 

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« Reply #1895 on: October 29, 2020, 05:56:55 AM »
What did I say about economic recovery?


BREAKING NEWS:  US THIRD QUARTER GDP HAD A THITD QUARTER BLOWOUT NUMBER OF 33.1%.
 
 :applause: :applause:     (directed at ourselves, Democrats and Republicans)


33.1% 

Now let's see if the news media reports this!!!!!

Let's hope that Pelosi agrees to a stimulus/relief bill to continue this trend. 

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1896 on: October 29, 2020, 06:40:41 AM »
What did I say about economic recovery?


BREAKING NEWS:  US THIRD QUARTER GDP HAD A THITD QUARTER BLOWOUT NUMBER OF 33.1%.
 
 :applause: :applause:     (directed at ourselves, Democrats and Republicans)


33.1% 

Now let's see if the news media reports this!!!!!

Let's hope that Pelosi agrees to a stimulus/relief bill to continue this trend.
This was  expected and the market has opened down today.   The economy shrunk by the same number the quarter before.  Overall the economy has obviously shrunk in comparison to the year before.  Our deficit with China has hit a record high, so all the talk about tariffs and making china pay has completely failed.      Overall we don't need to pretend things are rosy.   
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1897 on: October 29, 2020, 06:51:07 AM »



Democrats were unified and spoke out against Trump loud and clear from day 1. They own the media and had them push made stories on him. If they thought Trump wasn't warning the American people properly when downplaying it on purpose, they could run their mouths to say so and take responsibility for the panic they will cause. They don't have to wait for Trump to unify them. They never did. If one blames Trump for not saying enough, they need to blame the Democratic leadership for not saying enough. They have access to all the infectious disease experts Trump has access to.




Our deficit with China has hit a record high, so all the talk about tariffs and making china pay has completely failed.



That may be what fake news wants to convey now but Trump's trade war without a pandemic involved shrunk our trade deficit with China last year forcing China to sign a phase 1 trade deal this year.


http://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/us-trade-deficit-december-2019.html
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1898 on: October 29, 2020, 03:19:10 PM »
I feel I may not be long for this place, so I will start getting things off my chest.

So I read a FT post. 

This was  expected and the market has opened down today.


For your family's sake, I hope you are not making your own decisions about investments.   The market opened down because of COVID, Euro lockdowns, and no stimulus bill.   Then what happened?


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The economy shrunk by the same number the quarter before. 

Yes, April, May and June suffered from the lockdowns.  Today's economic news show this economy wants to grow, but we need a stimulus bill.
 

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Overall the economy has obviously shrunk in comparison to the year before. 

Such happens when beset by a pandemic and economic lockdown, and your point is what?



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Our deficit with China has hit a record high, so all the talk about tariffs and making china pay has completely failed.


For decades China's unfair trade practices have been unchecked by the likes of Obama-Biden, Bush, Clinton and Wall Street and Corporate America.  You expected China to roll over?  China trade has huge momentum, and we will continue to buy Chinese products because they sell cheaper mousetraps.  There is much more to this threat than trade.  We must chip away and for sure not become beholden to them. 

So what do you believe we should do?   


Lots on negative thoughts , FT.  Let's see how do you end your post.


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Overall we don't need to pretend things are rosy.   
 

Sad! 

Yes, the world got hit, and hit hard.   We are still vulnerable.    However, life is getting better, and will get better and better starting after this upcoming acute and final wave of the pandemic.   We need vaccines, and they are coming.   

This talk of "Life is a shit sandwich, and then you die"  is not me.  Never has been, even in downtimes.  Put a smile on your face and confront the challenges.....with a good plan. 

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1899 on: October 29, 2020, 07:19:41 PM »
BC-

Is this true? What happened to the disciplined, unselfish talk, unlike Americans yabadabadoo jab?


We have riots and looting here too but those are by silly snowflakes and idiots trying to help Bidens election out.

Economically, WSJ reported today we sustained 3.6% contraction where Italy is over 10%!!!! The rest of Europe are not as bad, but not that much better either.

Anyway, I hope things change for you guys over there.
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