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Is it possible to find a real 20-year-old Russian woman on dating sites to marry her?

This article is written about Russian women. However, everything that is written here equally applies to women from Ukraine and Belarus.

Russian women traditionally get married quite early - about 20-25 years old. But do not think that this is the key to your success in finding a young Russian wife: Russian girls are focused on their peers. Most often they find future husbands in college or in their neighborhood. During this time, women in Russia do not lack the attention of Russian men and do not think about finding a husband outside her own country. We are now talking about 80% of the female population of Russia aged 18-23 years.

A certain part of high school graduates are girls motivated to get a high-quality education abroad. If their parents have enough money or the level of knowledge gives them the opportunity to go to college in a selected country, the girls leave Russia to study. They also believe that since it is still necessary to get married before the age of 25, a foreign husband is a better option than a compatriot. At first, they look for a husband in their college (as is done in Russia). Over time, they learn the Western mentality and pretty soon they are not different from Western women. After graduating, they decide what their future will be. Education in a western country, fluency in a foreign language provides a woman with good career prospects and a high income at homeland, and it stimulates them to return to Russia. The second way is a career in the country of study. They are career-oriented and get married at 30-35 years old. It is unlikely that you are able to get such a woman by catching her at the start of her adulthood. If she chose to live in a western country, you may later meet her on local Western dating sites, where she will not position herself as a Russian woman.

If the level of knowledge or the financial situation of the family does not allow a woman to go to study at a Western college (but she does not want to follow the traditional path and intends to leave Russia), she joins international dating sites  - but she tries to find her peers there, not you.
In most cases, her experience is unsuccessful, as her profile is lost in thousands of scam profiles. You are simply not able to find and recognize her. If by the chance you find her, she will not answer you, because she looks for young guys.

Time passes, and she discovers that Western men of 18-27 years old are not ready to get married. At this stage, many girls abandon the idea of marrying a foreigner and they go back to native habitat and to guys with a familiar mentality. Some girls go further and accept the idea to marry a man 20-30 years older. You can try and find her if you are lucky. If nobody found them at that age, they grow up, gain experience, get an education and eventually get married (later, when their age is about 30). Their value in the marriage market of Russia decreases to zero, but their value in the international marriage market rise to 100%, therefore, most likely their husbands will be foreigners close to them in age.

If you are lucky and you have found a young Russian woman (18-23 years old), what going to be next? Does she do it because of love? Does she want only your money or a green card? Does she plan to divorce you in the future? Will you live together happily ever after?

When such girls agree to a marriage with a significant age difference, there are very few cases when they initially have a hidden agenda to immigrate through marriage,  then get rid of it. Women at this age most often do not yet have a clear understanding of what they want and how to get it. Usually, they sincerely intend to build a family as tradition required. But if she looking for a foreigner, it is 100% she wants to leave her country. Of course, they would prefer to get a guy of their age as a husband, but they persuade themselves to marry a man significantly older for the purpose of immigration and do not feel love for the groom. Sorry, I hate to say it. But. Not everything is lost yet. In Russia, from ancient times, there is the proverb “Sterpitsa, slubitsa" (You will get used to it after time, you will fall in love with him later) that has been preserved, designed to coercion (and self-coercion) women to a marriage of convenience. A lot of cases, when a girl indeed does fall in love with her husband, but sometimes not.
In the second case, the girl waits for a residence permit and initiates a divorce (or divorces her husband without waiting for a residence permit and refuses the immigration).

Who else is hiding behind photos of lovely 20-year-old girls on dating sites? Lovely 20-year-old girls. At this age, they are still getting used to the attention of men. They are testing a new tool that they can use to change their lives. Some of them, having enjoyed the attention of domestic men, want to check their influence on foreign men. After making sure that they are equally omnipotent both in their native country and abroad, the majority return to domestic boyfriends who are always nearby and look much more real. The profiles of these girls remain in the databases of dating sites to attract a paying targeted audience. These are dead profiles.

Sometimes these girls get acquainted with Western men who send them money or invite them to a tour for a personal meeting. Not used to such generosity, girls tell their friends about it, share information on social networks. Thanks to them, a word about rich Western men who give money just for a pretty face in the photo is spreading all over FSU. This information attracts other girls. They have no immigration intentions, they are in demand by local guys, but these girls want to try to get their piece of heavenly manna, there are so many rumors about. Their interest is similar to the interest of a gambler who intends to repeat the win in the lottery if a neighbor won. They turn into amateur scammers. Such a girl flirt with a man, they even can invite him to Russia and not go on a date, because a real meeting and a real relationship are not included in her plans. Her interest is only the money that he may send her before a visit. Having not to get any money, the girl loses interest and leaves the site (leaving a dead profile behind). If she manages to get something, often she has satisfied with her trophy and leaves the dating site (one more dead profile). If she does not leave, sometimes, when she gets older, she becomes a professional scammer.

You may say that there are young women, who by their nature are drawn to men of mature age. They are attracted to the format of the relations “Pygmalion and Galatea” or “Father and Daughter”, “Teacher and Student”. Such roles cannot be found in relationships with peers. Yes, there are such women in FSU. But they do not have a deficit of attention from Russian wealthy middle-aged and older men and they get married before they even think of international dating sites.

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Re: Is it possible to find a real 20-year-old Russian woman on dating sites?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2020, 12:06:25 PM »
I think your writing is VERY perceptive...
particularly your explanation of the cause and effect that contributes the underlying motivation of a woman's choices....

your grammar and use of English is excellent....
my only criticism is your style
your style reflects your journalistic background
more technical, lacking humor for example, plenty of opportunity for that in this subject
read Jane Austin  Pride & Prejudice, Sense & Sensibility
although the style is dated, look how she weaves her cynical humor into almost everything she writes
it's like a kind of spice she adds to her dishes to enhance the taste, try it...

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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2020, 12:47:30 PM »
Sorry. I am a journalist, but I work in Russian. This is my first article in English. I’m not sure that my level of English is sufficient to qualitatively joke in it. Thanks for your feedback. I value Austin, I did read her in translation. And I promise to try to read her in the original.

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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2020, 01:10:55 PM »
Hell,

I was blown away by it.   Nice writing. 

You may have included some statistics.   Like the number of marriage visas actually issued by the United States.  I wonder if it is possible to quantify the number of women who marry for their green card and then divorce upon receiving it.  I've known many such women.   

One subset that you completely ignored is the single mother.   Quite truthfully, this is the easiest target for a WM to marry.  And has the most likelihood for longevity, even if it is a loveless marriage.

While many young women attempt to get money from a man without meeting him, that scam is slowly dying.  Instead, the pro-dater is much more prevalent.   

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Re: Is it possible to find a real 20-year-old Russian woman on dating sites?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2020, 01:18:27 PM »
Some extremely beautiful young women have lots of attention from males. They experienced all and many extremely beautiful women get tired of the "boys". I've dated a few women in their mid to early 20's and they refuse to date anybody younger than 30 yo.

You mentioned about whether or not a woman can fall in love with an older man but you didn't mention anything about the man. Whether a woman can fall in love or not with an older man depends on the man. Age and looks aren't everything to a woman. If man is a loser and only values his young wife's beauty and youth, she will not respect him. If he has many fine qualities and she respects her man, she will love him. A woman can't love a man she can't respect.
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2020, 02:20:04 PM »
Address the Q to BillyB ;)
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2020, 02:50:29 PM »
One subset that you completely ignored is the single mother.   Quite truthfully, this is the easiest target for a WM to marry.  And has the most likelihood for longevity, even if it is a loveless marriage.
Yes, I did not include single mothers in the article, because for this age category (18-23 y.o.) this is not relevant yet. During this period, women are still in the process of dating and choose between Russian guys. Or she gets married, or pregnant. She will become a single mother a little bit later. And yes, single mothers are more likely to create a full-fledged family and choose a real husband, rather than a green card. One of the reasons: she has to think about the fact that her child will get used to the new husband of his mother and will love him.

If man is a loser and only values his young wife's beauty and youth, she will not respect him. If he has many fine qualities and she respects her man, she will love him. A woman can't love a man she can't respect.
You are absolutely right. Respect is a great base for love. But in relation to the countries of the FSU, there is one problem. It so happened historically that there are very few men. First of all, few high-quality men. There is a lack of even low-quality men. Therefore, women (even smart and beautiful) often agree to marry without love or respect for the man. Everybody got used to it, that it is taken for granted. So with the development of the Internet, a lot of Russian women became interested in foreign men. I am talking about those women who are older 30, not about the characters of this article.

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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2020, 03:15:45 PM »
“This is my first article in English.”

then you are off to a really good start!
I find it very difficult to write in Russian
I am never really happy with the results

your ability to understand and express the feelings of another
are very clearly stated
and you are presenting both your own observation as well as analysis
in my opinion, knowledgeable readers will typically be in agreement with you
and our own “confirmational biases” will make your article seem credible to us, we'll feel that you know what you're talking about since you agree with us!
you know like it’s “Pravda” with a capital “P”
and you seem to be both empathetic and sympathetic which will tempt the reader into liking you

i’d consider adding a sad story at the beginning and a funny one at the end

also, what happens to those who choose not to seek love in Moscva oblast, either near or abroad
what happens to single women in Russia after age 40, what are their lives like?

if you don’t have a spouse or children, do you have a lot of family and friends instead?
or do you have a cat?

I have 2 dogs, Labrador retrievers, that walk with me on the beach early in the morning while I collect some washed up pieces of wood
that I throw into a big pile on the patio to let it dry out, which makes my wife REALLY mad
she gets mad about pretty much everything I do
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2020, 04:44:09 PM »
Therefore, women (even smart and beautiful) often agree to marry without love or respect for the man. Everybody got used to it, that it is taken for granted. So with the development of the Internet, a lot of Russian women became interested in foreign men. I am talking about those women who are older 30, not about the characters of this article.


Love and respect does not feed a woman and the kids. If a woman can't find a quality man, she will have to settle for a man that can at least provide for the family. Nothing wrong with that. In life, not everybody gets to marry a winner. Not enough winners in the world so one must settle for less.

Women who are older than 30, have previously been married, and have kids have less options to choose from. Some of their competition have never been married, have no kids and are younger. A marriage agency owner came here and said 20% of the women get 80% of the attention from men. The remaining 80% of women have only 20% of the men willing to consider them for a wife.
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2020, 04:56:15 PM »
Tea with lemon, that is a really good article that you have done there. Good for western men to read as well as people in Russia, better even! It's the sort of article I wish was around about 3 years or so ago when I started my search for a Russian/Ukrainian lady. At the time there was just the 'there's a shortage of men in Russia & Ukraine and young women there are interested in western men' type of articles. Over the course of my three years or so at this I have pretty much learnt what you have just described.

For me it's been experiences mixed with many a conversation on here. This forum has been great in working out the oddities of situations I and others found hard to understand at the time, line why a girl acts in a certain way that doesn't seem to make sense to us western men.

The point you make about girls that hear about wealthy and generous western men and that word spreading thereby creating girls who aren't pro daters or pro scammers but just want some money and stuff we have discussed here in the last year or so. We refer to them as 'transactional girls' since they did not quite operate as pro daters or pro scammers would and were not quite escorts since many seemed sincere in wanting a relationship but they always were asking for stuff, not usually high priced stuff as you would expect a pro daters or  pro scammer to ask for but cheaper stuff like a £50-80 dress then this, that and the other, sometimes even smaller priced bits and bobs. To us this was perculiar as usually women were either outright scammers asking for stuff in the hundred or thousands of pounds/dollars or they were good girls that just didn't, other than for the guy to pay for restaurant, basic entertainment of course.

Having said that these 'transactional girls' were what myself and others on this forum had met. I never sent any money to a girl as I knew that was a scam and a pointless waste of time. I don't use ppl (pay per letter) sites either I use free International Dating websites instead such as 'F-Dating'. I don't know if women asking guys for money who they have never met is very successful anymore? Stuff moves on and these games become known about. I would generally have thought the girl would have to meet the guy these days in most situations to stand much chance of getting anything.

I think you are right about girls in general in Russia, Ukraine, etc wanting younger men. I have come across many profiles of Russian/Ukrainian ladies that want guys of a similar age. That can occasionally happen but I think it is unlikely in many cases. Most guys 18-25 in the UK tend to look to finding a girl in the UK of similar age, looking abroad for them is too early for nany, and many do not think of it. Even if a guy is single in the UK he would most likely in the majority of cases hold out hope of a UK girl turning up. For the US which is even further away I'm guessing it would be even more bother for a guy that age, if they even thought about it.

I think a lot of the younger girls in their twenties in Russia & Ukraine don't realise that most guys looking for women in Russia, Ukraine, will be in their thirties and forties or older. Some may even have the unrealistic expectation of meeting a young reasonably handsome guy in his twenties with money. That is highly unlikely as guys like that are almost certainly going to be snapped up by UK girls so they need not look abroad unless there is a real issue.

I was with a girl in her mid twenties in Ukraine a couple of years or so ago, I was approaching 40 at the time. She was young and pretty but materialistic and a 'transactional girl' I spoke of earlier. I had met her of a free International Dating site. I think she fits quite well into what you describe, I think she generally wanted to get married like her peers (she seemed sincerely concerned by this) but she also wanted stuff and probably heard about the wealthy/generous foreigner thing you mention. I think she was also looking to immigrate not necessarily with a motive other than to start a family/life with the man she got with. I think she wanted this all in one, she came from a poor area, and didn't recognize that all her wants were uneasy bed fellows. She didn't seem to realise that getting stuff (outside of marriage) would conflict with the guy seeing her as someone who would seriously want to get married and have a family. She also didn't understand the visa process for the UK and thought that you apply for a tourist visa and it just happens (as a low paid single girl without kids to go back to she stood no chance). Despite her model looks I think locally she probably did struggle to find a guy, she said herself that they were either, alcoholics, unemployed, low paid so could not start a family, mental health issues, etc, etc. I think in general though her expectations were too high and her materialism, etc had scared away a lot of decent local guys for her. While she had model looks facially she was a little short and while not fat not completely well toned, didn't bother me but that and a few other small things probably meant the rich local guys didn't settle on her fully.

She had an older terp friend (in her fifties I guess) who had encouraged her to look for guys a few years older than the appropriately early thirties limit she had first set out upon. I think this was wisdom on the part of her friend since as her friend said to her even guys in their thirties would likely lack the lifestyle she was looking for. I don't think she was looking for a lavish lifestyle of a very wealthy millionaire but she was very into clothes and so why an older guy might provide better for her. I think all in all though the relationship became messed up in part because I didn't know what I was dealing with in terms of her having all these desires she thought possible in one blow and in part because she had all these desires that she thought could be fulfilled suddenly all at one.

I think she genuinely liked me, she said as much , but I don't think she genuinely loved me. Would she have genuinely loved me over time had the relationship gone the slim chance of working, I wouldn't really know, I'm not really sure whether or not if we would have been suited to each other.
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2020, 05:05:55 PM »
Love and respect does not feed a woman and the kids. If a woman can't find a quality man, she will have to settle for a man that can at least provide for the family. Nothing wrong with that. In life, not everybody gets to marry a winner. Not enough winners in the world so one must settle for less.

Women who are older than 30, have previously been married, and have kids have less options to choose from. Some of their competition have never been married, have no kids and are younger. A marriage agency owner came here and said 20% of the women get 80% of the attention from men. The remaining 80% of women have only 20% of the men willing to consider them for a wife.

Well said Billy, that is all true.

I think apart from the girls that want a wealthy guy abroad or who want to emigrate there is another group of girls.

There are the girls that are undesirable to men in Russia & Ukraine, they may have mental health issues that mess up their relationships, they may be alcoholics or drug users, or they may have kids. I think the biggest group within the undesirable women grouping will likely be those with character flaws such as being very materialistic or bad social skills. That and under par on the looks front. A pretty girl with kids may pick up another guy but a not very pretty girl with or without kids could likely get passed over by guys many a time.
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2020, 05:06:12 PM »
It so happened historically that there are very few men. First of all, few high-quality men. There is a lack of even low-quality men.

You are way off base here.
This is the falsehood that is spouted by marriage agencies.
In fact, there are more men in FSU than women up until ages of late 40s or so.
The actual statistics have been reported here before several times.
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2020, 11:39:29 PM »
You are way off base here.
This is the falsehood that is spouted by marriage agencies.
In fact, there are more men in FSU than women up until ages of late 40s or so.
The actual statistics have been reported here before several times.
Yes, the modern generation of women of 20 years old has no problems with men - it is enough young guys are for every girl. The statistics you are talking about are not lying. That is why it is very difficult to meet a real 20-year-old Russian woman on dating sites. But women are growing up, and the number of men is declining. As you rightly noted, after the age of 30 y.o. this difference is already quite noticeable. Also, we have to remember the age difference (men in a pair are usually older than women). And it is at exactly the age of 30 y.o Russian women start to register on international dating sites to find MEN (not a green card). In addition, there are other factors. In fact, this is a HUGE topic and should be published as a separate article. I will let you know when it is ready.

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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2020, 02:10:15 AM »

I think she genuinely liked me, she said as much , but I don't think she genuinely loved me. Would she have genuinely loved me over time had the relationship gone the slim chance of working, I wouldn't really know, I'm not really sure whether or not if we would have been suited to each other.

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1/ You were nearly 40 and sought a 25 year old...  you got the result I would expect - having daughters older and younger than that age ....   You STILL think a western passport and a fat wallet is all that is required

2/ This 'do not send money before you met rule' ....   It should not be applied strictly - if the lady is coming to meet you from another city - or if - like me - you paid for the meeting to be in your country - buying the plane ticket


You were rather rude about Miss Kherson's home region - yet you want her to live up a Welsh Valley ? )




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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2020, 03:51:26 AM »
Trench,

you have had the benefit of  years of advice and never listen to it ((


1/ You were nearly 40 and sought a 25 year old...  you got the result I would expect - having daughters older and younger than that age ....   You STILL think a western passport and a fat wallet is all that is required

2/ This 'do not send money before you met rule' ....   It should not be applied strictly - if the lady is coming to meet you from another city - or if - like me - you paid for the meeting to be in your country - buying the plane ticket


You were rather rude about Miss Kherson's home region - yet you want her to live up a Welsh Valley ? )

Mobe, I did not seek a 25yr old, she contacted me first. I had reservations first about her age but she was adamant that it was not an issue. Women are all different and want different things, that is why it is better to meet many, but you need to know the lay of the land to work out what each woman may be after.

The do not send money rule is of course a general one, more for those starting of who don't know the ins & outs of the FSU dating scene.
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2020, 03:59:12 AM »
Yes, the modern generation of women of 20 years old has no problems with men - it is enough young guys are for every girl. The statistics you are talking about are not lying. That is why it is very difficult to meet a real 20-year-old Russian woman on dating sites. But women are growing up, and the number of men is declining. As you rightly noted, after the age of 30 y.o. this difference is already quite noticeable. Also, we have to remember the age difference (men in a pair are usually older than women). And it is at exactly the age of 30 y.o Russian women start to register on international dating sites to find MEN (not a green card). In addition, there are other factors. In fact, this is a HUGE topic and should be published as a separate article. I will let you know when it is ready.

One of the forum members here, 2tallbill did a good post on this a few months or so ago. He correctly pointed out that while there are theoretically more men to women in the former Soviet Union (FSU) until women & men get into their thirties there are other factors that make the number of men suitable for women smaller. Factors such as the men being alcoholics, on drugs, unemployed, low paid, too poor, in prison, working all the time in exhausting jobs, mental health problems, socializing problems, patents relying on them, etc, etc. The list is almost endless but most likely factors in most cases that affect the supply of suitable men more than suitable women. If he can find a link to it it would be a good read for you I think, he explained it all very well I think.
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Re: Is it possible to find a real 20-year-old Russian woman on dating sites?
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2020, 04:35:11 AM »
Mobe, I did not seek a 25yr old, she contacted me first. I had reservations first about her age but she was adamant that it was not an issue. Women are all different and want different things, that is why it is better to meet many, but you need to know the lay of the land to work out what each woman may be after.

The do not send money rule is of course a general one, more for those starting of who don't know the ins & outs of the FSU dating scene.

Trench,

I had a 24 yr old that said she did not want kids contact me when I was 45 ... She was a lovely lass - but I simply couldn't see a future. I made it clear in my profile that I sought someone MUCH closer in years ..

You could just have said" no" ?
We'll be back, EU ..and as a certain 'gentleman' couldn't accept my offer to 'bury the hatchet' .. Don't trust a clueless Californian 'business owner' who cannot even quote me, honestly ..

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Is it possible to find a real 20-year-old Russian woman on dating sites?
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2020, 07:22:11 AM »
Is it possible to find a real 20-year-old Russian woman on dating sites to marry her?

The answer is sure, it's possible but for most people it would be a disaster
waiting to happen.

If a College student wanted to spend a year in Russia studying at the
University he would be surrounded by young Russian girls and there
would be an excellent chance that he could find a good girl for marriage.

20 year old girls are just like bread that has been in the oven for 10
minutes. It looks and smells good from the outside but if you open it
up you will find that it's not finished on the inside yet. 

Let's say a man who was 45 years old wrote 50 Russian girls a letter
to introduce himself to see if they had any romantic interest. 48 of
the girls would delete the letter. They would do that because they
are good girls, the two girls who answered the letter would have
questionable motives.

The 45 year old man could say "look at me, 20 year old girls are
interested in me!" but he would be wrong. If he traveled to meet
these girls they would be happy to give his credit card a ride, but
far less likely to give him a ride.

I don't think you would need to worry about most of the men here
at the forum flying off to Eastern Europe to meet a 20 year old girl.   
There is one exception and he will post that it's completely reasonable
but most of the men understand that chasing 20 year old girls is a
fool hardy adventure.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Is it possible to find a real 20-year-old Russian woman on dating sites?
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2020, 09:45:47 AM »
Welcome Angelika!

You bring up a very interesting post for discussion. I appreciate your perspective and conviction. I am certain it is shared by the majority.

I hold the belief that there really is no substitute to marrying someone not only of minor age difference, but more importantly, marrying someone from the same culture and/or society.

I am married to a woman from Russia - 20 years my junior. That was 16 years ago. One of the discussion she and I had before was the topic of 'love'. LMAO. I told her straight out, and we both agreed, attraction is all there can ever be with two people engaged in the MOB considering all the sets of circumstances that govern this pursuit. Color me pragmatic, but I simply do not believe in 'love at first sight'. She and I agreed that 'love' will take time. Just as respect and trust do. Having said that, one of the things I hung my hat on with women before was (generally) discard those who tells me they love me after a relatively short time. To me, that is akin to lying to my face for their selfish reasons.

I won't disqualify the notion one of my wife's motivation to enter the MOB was to seek opportunity outside of Russia, or even for better economic condition, via marrying a foreigner - or a man who best represent the possibility of this opportunity. To me, anyone who denies it is not being honest to themselves.

I love my wife more than life itself. She earned her US citizenship in less than 5 years, almost at the same time she earned her US university degree. I advanced my wife's life's priorities to become a well rounded person, personally and professionally, just as we discussed back when we were at our 'dating stages' and she was still in Russia - ahead of 'my' wants.

She is more than capable to live comfortably on her own in Los Angeles, if she ever felt living on her own is what would make her happy and complete. By the time she got to her 30th birthday, my wife has two homes under her name, pulling above a six figure salary, and is a well adjusted, well rounded person living in an American metropolis. She works for a company that can easily transfer her anywhere in the world, including Russia, even the city she grew up in with all her friends - Novosibirsk.

Yet, 16 years later, I still wake up spooned in the morning with her. Love takes time and a hell of a lot of work. Some more than others.

Anyway, point I'm making here is - marriage is challenging to enough. Marrying someone who have a different cultural belief and awareness makes it that much more difficult. All of the marriages between American men/FSUW (women from Russia/Ukraine) that we knew before are all divorced now. Some have remarried, and most of those actually married men from their own culture living here.

I always believed there are equally wonderful/beautiful women anywhere in the world. I also believe all the folks engaged in the MOB that are of different cultural background are atypical of the society they hail from. I am also aware many engaged in this pursuit are also men/women of the same culture wanting to marry one of their own but are currently living elsewhere.

Will I ever advise anyone to marry with age disparity like mine? Absolutely not. Would I advise anyone to marry anyone, even close to their age, from another culture like I did? A big fat no!
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Re: Is it possible to find a real 20-year-old Russian woman on dating sites?
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2020, 11:42:41 AM »
You are way off base here.
This is the falsehood that is spouted by marriage agencies.
In fact, there are more men in FSU than women up until ages of late 40s or so.
The actual statistics have been reported here before several times.

It's about perception AND while the numbers might be the
same, the same can't be said about marriageable men vs
marriage seeking women.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Is it possible to find a real 20-year-old Russian woman on dating sites?
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2020, 09:09:58 PM »
20 year old girls are just like bread that has been in the oven for 10
minutes. It looks and smells good from the outside but if you open it
up you will find that it's not finished on the inside yet. 
Nail. Head.

Girls are not for marriage, women are. Girls are good for having fun with. If you're a 20-something guy then head to Russia and don't get married! It's too much fun... you'll eventually land with a great woman too if you want.

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Re: Is it possible to find a real 20-year-old Russian woman on dating sites?
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2020, 10:25:04 AM »
. . . If you're a 20-something guy then head to Russia and don't get married! It's too much fun...

And take plenty of condoms with you.

Ask Big Bill how to manage that.
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Re: Is it possible to find a real 20-year-old Russian woman on dating sites?
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2020, 10:51:51 AM »
I would like to tell YOU the following story(s)...

don’t worry, they are VERY short!

The first story is:

During a dark and stormy night, a woman in Australia rode a Camel all by herself across the Australian outback
she then wrote a series of articles about it for National Geographic Magazine (this was in pre-internet times)
she became famous and had HUGE amounts of male attention

The second story begins like this:

it was yet another dark and stormy night, that a Ukrainian woman from Kyiv, rode a motorbike through chernobil and wrote some online articles with photos on her blog
it got MILLIONS of hits, it even started a Ukrainian government investigation because she became such a HUGE “meme”
oh and she received hundreds of proposals for marriage, which were quite real

so what’s the moral of the story?

ultimately, online dating is actually nothing more than just typing on a keyboard
and reading what someone else types on their keyboard....

now that’s not really much of an adventure, now is it?
so who is going to pay any attention to it...

on the other hand, a Harley Davidson motorbike being ridden by a woman through the ruins of Donetsk, who flashes a little skin and writes about it....
will have marriage proposals by the hundreds if she does it right...

but do "ordinary" women do things like this?
no, only "extra-ordinary" women do
and the extraordinary women are THE ONES that get the high status male's attention and NOT the ordinary ones!
ponelle?

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Re: Is it possible to find a real 20-year-old Russian woman on dating sites?
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2020, 03:50:45 PM »
Trench,

I had a 24 yr old that said she did not want kids contact me when I was 45 ... She was a lovely lass - but I simply couldn't see a future. I made it clear in my profile that I sought someone MUCH closer in years ..

You could just have said" no" ?

I tried to dissuade her in my first message, she was emphatic that she was old enough and wanted marriage & kids. End of the day she was hot so I thought I would give it a go with her as for all I know it might have worked out :)
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