Elen, RWDMA, BC, and RW's Attitudes

[Son of Clyde]

One thing to think about. If Olga's parents just arrived earlier in the week how could she possibly find the time to post here? Maybe Doug might have a few minutes but I would think Olga is just too happy to see her parents to want to post on this board.

[Admin]

One thing to think about. If Olga's parents just arrived earlier in the week how could she possibly find the time to post here? Maybe Doug might have a few minutes but I would think Olga is just too happy to see her parents to want to post on this board.

Clyde,

That is speculation - and is not useful (IMO). Maybe she has time - maybe she doesn't - maybe it was Doug - maybe it wasn't.

Let's not speculate. Members deserve the benefit of the doubt.

- Dan

[BC]

The “Russian bride” experience of men who are either citizens of or live in Western Europe countries is significantly different than that of men who live in the United States. I think BC may be an example of this.

Your statement really puzzles me.  The only differences I can attest to is a shorter immigration timeframe and that my wife seemed to prefer Europe to the US.  I asked her about this long ago and it seemed distance to home, some horror stories she had heard via the grapevine and being more free to travel and invite relatives to visit during the early immigration stages were the big advantages of emigrating to Europe.

She did not jump up and down after her arrival here but has learned to love her new home.

I think your generalization of 'abusive RW' is a bit overcooked.  The strong character my wife posesses is actually one of her more appealing characteristics despite our age difference.  Yes, she is not the easiest person to get along with and neither am I..  but I do know that neither one of us would be content living with a doormat. 

Our marriage is one of equals regardless who is the breadwinner, a concept seemingly contrary to (some) western thinking.. maybe this is the difference that constitutes 'abuse' you so often refer to?

[Doug S]

72 words.

I did not intend to insult BC, Dan, Elen, or jb with this thread, and certainly not 99% of the members. I should have taken the time to boil my second post down to fewer words. I was in a hurry. (It actually takes me longer to write less.) Like Turbo, in examining that post I can not find those alleged insults. Also like Turbo, I found reading it to be torture.

DS

[Doug S]

159 words

I took offense to jbs publicly denouncing my wife and our marriage. A pm would have been more appropriate. I sent him one pm stating my feelings about what he had said, and my subsequent opinion of him. He did not reply and there have been no other pms or attempts at pms from either of us. So much for the “ignore” drama.

Clyde, on the other hand, has begun stalking me with pms. His first one was as he described it. My answer was typically me. My opinion of Clyde is no secret. Are pms not the correct avenue for examining and attempting to resolve differences of a personal nature. Subsequent pms between Clyde and I descended into startling documents of exactly how far apart we really stand on the topic of Russian “mail order brides.” Clyde keeps threatening to publish our pms to this group, and I have to keep reminding him what the “p” stands for.

[Doug S]

112 words.

Olga wrote her own reply to jb. I, for one, am very happy to see BC thinks her construction of English sentences is so advanced. It only took five years and maybe $12,000 in community college tuition and books. Olga was joining the group anyway. She’s enjoying having her parents her to watch the baby so she can have her hands and mind free. She made her comeback on this and several other groups on the same day. I can’t think of any other way to prove the authenticity of Olga’s message other than jbs calling her and getting blasted over the phone. (Even a spoken “blast” from Olga is pretty mild.)


DS

[Son of Clyde]

Doug you said you enjoyed our PM's, I sent 5 or 6 total because your kept responding. Your last response was 2,400 words, so I felt the need to reply.

In 3 words to you: Get A Life.

Now you are back on ignore and no more PM's unless you choose to send me one.

Stalking?
 
Who is the paranoid one here?

I never said I would post your PM's to this board, I have the sense to send them to Dan if they are too offensive. Oh, I did feel like posting the first two but I do have some sense.

This is my last message on and off the board to Doug Salem.

[BC]

Wow.. me thinks Clydes' pecker is getting pickled.. evolution at a rapid pace..

(just injecting a bit of humour aside of whatever mundane events may be taking place behind the scene)

[Doug S]

... there are often people who seek to eliminate a group of members or a single member.

I believe firmly in the value of diversity and inclusivity.

"RWD's acceptance" of members is largely due to my policies on board inclusivity.

Dan,

Points well-taken, and your beliefs and policy much appreciated.

I am not so "full of myself' not to realize that is why I am being permitted to post here.

Doug

[Doug S]

The only differences I can attest to...

BC

Olga has a very good friend who was involved with an Italian guy her own age but ended up marrying an older German man. She also had lots of American and Middle Eastern suitors, but shunned them all for West Europeans.

I met and knew the Italian guy. Great guy. I really liked him. An architect just starting out on his career. But he hated Krivoy Rog and all things Russian. He whined about everything from no hot water to bad food, to lousy cars. But he really loved that Ukrainian girl. I am told she finally and reluctantly dumped him because he dawdled too much. She and the German guy now have a child together.

This woman's mother in Krivoy Rog is sick and needy. Father long gone. Like most good Russian daughters, she is devoted to her Mom. During the first two years the daughter was in Germany mother and daughter shuttled back and forth regularly, Mom to Italy, daughter to Ukraine. Now Mom's bedridden and it's just the daughter to Ukraine. From what I have heard, this is likely to continue for many years.

It's an inexpensive 2-hour flight. It would be like my Olga being able to pick up the baby, jump on a Southwest Airlines flight to Seattle to visit Mom & Pop, or vice-versa.

You have already alluded to your wife's attachment to her mother and vice-versa. And then there are your Russian mother-in-law's two grandchildren in Italy. It is an ideal arrangement for all of you. And I'm sure this softens your Russian wife's "strong" personality more than you realize. The "family" guilt and financial pressure on both you and your Russian wife would be greater if you lived in the U.S.

Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. I got it for the first five years for emptying the nest, and now I'm getting it in spades because of the grandchild.  

I don't think you should downplay the geographical issue as a minor difference. I see it as major. Perhaps you don't know how good you have it. (Or bad, depending on how you view the out-laws :-)


Doug

 

[Rvrwind]

PS Russian 20 years old girls are still girls like your western girls especially if they are students  They are busy with their study, they hang in a company of boys of the same ages, they fall in love , drop boys or get broken hearts themselves - that's what youth for. And only some of them who decided to skip such years which never will be in their life again marry to some guy   ( and there is NO guarantee that those "matured" in 20 ages girls would not come to conclusion in their 30s that they did miss something  - A result of such discovery could be unpredictable)

A total gem & totally overlooked by most on the board!
You all can make all the excuses you want & dream all the dreams you want & believe all the hype most agencies in this buisness will feed you but I'm telling you from being in the buisness & living in this country & talking to literaly hundreds of women of all ages, a 20 year old is a girl & in MHO any man 20 years plus her senior that marries her is a control freak that wants someone he can mold to his line of thinking & what he wants, not what she wants. I guarrantee & I'll put money on it that when she is 35-40, things are gonna go south real fast.
I don't care if she's Russian, American or Chinese, a 40+ man has not got one damn thing in common with a 20 year old girl. I also through interviewing the women can dispell the theory that they like much older men. If you compare our website where the real age differences are posted you will see that all the women under 30 are not even interested in a man over 40. As it should be.
There are & have been exceptions to this, but they are one in a million.
Like Elen says, wait till she's 35-40 & realizes everything she missed out on & the honeymoon is over & the rose coloured glasses have come off, then we'll see the real side of the 20 year old trophy wife.
Flame Away!!

[wiz]

Actually, wiz, I'm somewhat offended you left me out.

j/k

Your remarks vis-a-vis large age differences are generally very much on target.  KenC is the exception to the rule, T/G is probably not.

I don't agree with your assessment of Doug S/olgas, I think they are one and the same person.  In order to understand why I believe that you have to know I'm married to a RW who speaks fluent English and is an Associate Professor at 2 colleges here.  After 5 years of practice at it, she still writes with confused articles of speech, even though she doesn't confuse them as she speaks.  The post written above attributed to Olga was written by a native speaker, playing at writing in dialect, not a Russian immigrant.  If you believe any of that crap, you'd be walking with a limp because somebody has been pulling your leg.   I'd bet a small amount of money on it.

JB

Thank you for the explanations.

Just a quick reply because I have better and more pleasant things to do with my life......like talking on the phone and keeping my RW happy, getting to know them better and of course earning my money for the next holiday!

Probably I left you out because I did not think was necessary for me to add wood on the fire! No time for another debate now......but definitely Olga's Post had Doug's influence one way or another. They must spoken about it, at least!

I just finished reading all the posts on this threat and all I have to say is "A storm in a tea cup!"

Personally I think these little imaginary fisticuffs is a waste of time.

Every member on this board has a common interest ..... Russian/Ukrainian Women. So why the hell you end up having arguments, PM's, dislikes etc? RWD on this thread comes over to me as a "Children's playground".

Let's talk about Russian or Ukrainian women, expand our knowledge in our subject of interest, contribute your experiences, have our debates but at the end of the day we must not forget that we are all on the same boat!

This is not an Ego trip!

But as Doug would say maybe it is!

Doug

Your wife is not Russian but Ukrainian no matter which part of Ukraine she is coming from!

Turbo

You are an old keyboard Romeo and at the moment you direct your writing to RWD......I hope soon you will find the right woman to dazzle her......LOL

[Mamma D]

Perhaps.... it is in how you view the world...

The farmer was out to bury the ass alive.....and it didn't work out that way...

what goes round... comes round.  Or put anpther way, what you sow is what you reap.

[Elen]

Perhaps.... it is in how you view the world...

The farmer was out to bury the ass alive.....and it didn't work out that way...

what goes round... comes round.  Or put anpther way, what you sow is what you reap.

Perhaps  Farmer DID save a life for that donkey  didn't he ?

 To be MORAL story it should have another end.
 American "Hollywood tradition" when good guy( or in many cases good girl - wich is worse) hits face of some bad guy always spoils all moral of a story in your movies.

[Son of Clyde]

Wiz makes a good point. Let's discuss Russian and Ukrainian women and stop the friction. I will behave myself too.

[jb]

PS Russian 20 years old girls are still girls like your western girls especially if they are students  They are busy with their study, they hang in a company of boys of the same ages, they fall in love , drop boys or get broken hearts themselves - that's what youth for. And only some of them who decided to skip such years which never will be in their life again marry to some guy   ( and there is NO guarantee that those "matured" in 20 ages girls would not come to conclusion in their 30s that they did miss something  - A result of such discovery could be unpredictable)

A total gem & totally overlooked by most on the board!
You all can make all the excuses you want & dream all the dreams you want & believe all the hype most agencies in this buisness will feed you but I'm telling you from being in the buisness & living in this country & talking to literaly hundreds of women of all ages, a 20 year old is a girl & in MHO any man 20 years plus her senior that marries her is a control freak that wants someone he can mold to his line of thinking & what he wants, not what she wants. I guarrantee & I'll put money on it that when she is 35-40, things are gonna go south real fast.
I don't care if she's Russian, American or Chinese, a 40+ man has not got one damn thing in common with a 20 year old girl. I also through interviewing the women can dispell the theory that they like much older men. If you compare our website where the real age differences are posted you will see that all the women under 30 are not even interested in a man over 40. As it should be.
There are & have been exceptions to this, but they are one in a million.
Like Elen says, wait till she's 35-40 & realizes everything she missed out on & the honeymoon is over & the rose coloured glasses have come off, then we'll see the real side of the 20 year old trophy wife.
Flame Away!!

No flames what-so-ever, I'm in total agreement.  Everything you and Elen said makes perfect sense to me.  I've been saying the same things for years.   In fact, I think I said the same thing to you before you made your first trip to Tver to meet your young wannabe honey,,, God only knows how many years ago that was now.  Seems like forever now....  What a daydream that was. *sigh*

As I remember, you resisted my efforts to adjust your attitude then, but after a quick heartbreak you recovered nicely.  You were a quick study, I wish all the newbies with such stars in their eyes could see the light as fast as you did. 

[Son of Clyde]

A total gem & totally overlooked by most on the board!
You all can make all the excuses you want & dream all the dreams you want & believe all the hype most agencies in this buisness will feed you but I'm telling you from being in the buisness & living in this country & talking to literaly hundreds of women of all ages, a 20 year old is a girl & in MHO any man 20 years plus her senior that marries her is a control freak that wants someone he can mold to his line of thinking & what he wants, not what she wants. I guarrantee & I'll put money on it that when she is 35-40, things are gonna go south real fast.
I don't care if she's Russian, American or Chinese, a 40+ man has not got one damn thing in common with a 20 year old girl. I also through interviewing the women can dispell the theory that they like much older men. If you compare our website where the real age differences are posted you will see that all the women under 30 are not even interested in a man over 40. As it should be.
There are & have been exceptions to this, but they are one in a million.
Like Elen says, wait till she's 35-40 & realizes everything she missed out on & the honeymoon is over & the rose coloured glasses have come off, then we'll see the real side of the 20 year old trophy wife.
Flame Away!!

I have been thinking about this post and it is very true. I have a 20 year difference in my marriage but we met when she was 34, had a 13 year old child and had been married for 14 years and divorced for 2. A big difference between 20 and 34 and the age difference between us sometimes makes me think. Her tastes in music is a whole different generation. Who is Jimi Hendrix? What is Woodstock? I am glad she knew who Elvis Presley was.

[Turboguy]

It works the other way too SOC.   I was listening to my son and someone else talk about the concerts they had gone to at my daughters wedding last night and to be honest I never heard of about 85 % of the ones he went to. 

[Son of Clyde]

It works the other way too SOC.   I was listening to my son and someone else talk about the concerts they had gone to at my daughters wedding last night and to be honest I never heard of about 85 % of the ones he went to. 

Turbo, congratulations on your daughter's wedding. I agree about it working both ways. Around 1979 I stopped being able to keep up with the new music. The groups I liked were fading away and people like Elvis Costello and groups like Blondie and the Talking Heads were becoming popular. It was new wave and I never really got into it and after MTV everything changed. And in the 80's the heavy metal music started so I got into blues and jazz.

[Wild Orchid*]

That is more than I can say for some Russain women you tried to compare me to, who fail their life because they did not think it out, and run to take their child to be raised in another country by another man. If you can not see what most of their motivation is for coming, then you fool yourself. We are all women, but some smarter than others and age has not much to do with that.

How many times she used the word insult in her post? Looks like she thinks it is Ok if she insults other women.

[Wild Orchid*]

72 words.

Also like Turbo, I found reading it to be torture.

DS

I didn’t even bother to read it and I have to admit I skip many of your posts. I  came to the forum, not to some lecture…

[Rvrwind]

I don't get it!!
I write a test post, it works, I write a real post it won't accept it, sheesh, talk about having a bad day!!