Surrogate babies stranded in Ukraine

[ML]

Over 100 babies born to surrogate mothers in Ukraine have been separated from their foreign parents because foreign citizens can’t enter Ukraine during the coronavirus quarantine.

And while Ukraine’s borders will remain shut until at least May 22,  the date when the quarantine officially ends, the number of surrogate-born babies kept far away from their biological parents will continue to grow.

http://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukrainian-surrogate-babies-separated-from-foreign-parents-provoke-ethical-discussion.html

[Shadow]

That is the risk you run when you outsource your baby factory to another country.

[msmob]

That is the risk you run when you outsource your baby factory to another country.

Or parents that can't be biological parents find a place where they CAN afford to make a dream come true ..

THh industry is only seedy because of the desperate need ..

[Shadow]

Or parents that can't be biological parents find a place where they CAN afford to make a dream come true ..

THh industry is only seedy because of the desperate need ..

Hmm... you want  child as for some (hopefully valid) reason you cn not make your own but it must be cheap. 

[msmob]

Hmm... you want  child as for some (hopefully valid) reason you cn not make your own but it must be cheap. 

I have made enough children and never had an issue with same..

As you know, really, but you are trying to have  some 'sport', there are those not blessed and surrogacy ( in the west )  is more expensive. 

I don't know about you, but I'd rather less rich folk got a crack at parenthood .. as long as there's nothing untoward about the arrangement .. Are we being a mite judgemental, John ... ?

[ML]

I don't know about you, but I'd rather less rich folk got a crack at parenthood .. as long as there's nothing untoward about the arrangement .

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Not sure if there is a typo in your sentence.

I would much rather have rich people have children than poor people.  Better health care and education for children.  Less burden on general tax payers also.

Further, I think there should be requirement of license to have children.

Some basic IQ requirements, financial requirements, etc.

Best hope is to develop injection given before puberty to prevent pregnancy. 
Then license required to give antidote.

Extreme you say ? 

It is what will be required in the future . . . how far in future, I don't know.

[msmob]

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Not sure if there is a typo in your sentence.

DEFO no typo, ML .. Those who go down this route have probably already spent a small fortune and endured huge heart break

Whilst money is important, loving parents is surely even more so ?

[Shadow]

I have made enough children and never had an issue with same..

As you know, really, but you are trying to have  some 'sport', there are those not blessed and surrogacy ( in the west )  is more expensive. 

I don't know about you, but I'd rather less rich folk got a crack at parenthood .. as long as there's nothing untoward about the arrangement .. Are we being a mite judgemental, John ... ?

And there re no poor people who could use it in the country of origin? Or would it happen to be an illegal practice?There are more than enough ways which are legal and do not need sending over money to another country.And especially not to a country where it can be expected most lands with the "middle man" and the actual producer gets just a tiny fraction of the mount.Keep up the corrupt systm MArk, it needs you.

[msmob]

Shadow,

Do you know anyone who wants a child of their own and do remortgage their homes to be parents....?

Of course, there are those who try to make money from such pain and longing...

That is why it is important states have regulations re surrogacy.

ML's title demonstrated those who cannot travel to Ukraine..

There are cases where UK citizens could not fly back with their surrogate kids.

[jone]

Shadow,

Do you know anyone who wants a child of their own and do remortgage their homes to be parents....?

Of course, there are those who try to make money from such pain and longing...

That is why it is important states have regulations re surrogacy.

ML's title demonstrated those who cannot travel to Ukraine..

There are cases where UK citizens could not fly back with their surrogate kids.

Absolutley, he is correct.  The baby will be remanded to a holding cell at the border or in the airport.   After all, no one knows how to bring people across the border better than this poster.

(This post was prepared without the aid of Google.   But it was necessary to spell it out just in case anyone thought it was.)

[msmob]

My wife was treated wrongly and that is confirmed with

1/ the entry stand in her passport

2/ after the local MP ( that's Member of Parliament ) got involved, the matter was investigated and the officer's involved suitability  retrained.

[ML]

2/ after the local MP ( that's Member of Parliament ) got involved, the matter was investigated and the officer's involved suitability  retrained.

How do you retrain one's suitability ??

[msmob]

How do you retrain one's suitability ??

 

sultably, even x

[Shadow]

Shadow,

Do you know anyone who wants a child of their own and do remortgage their homes to be parents....?

Of course, there are those who try to make money from such pain and longing...

That is why it is important states have regulations re surrogacy.

ML's title demonstrated those who cannot travel to Ukraine..

There are cases where UK citizens could not fly back with their surrogate kids.

Sorry but I can nor empathize with people who decide to use corruption because they need to fulfill their selfish wishes.
I do understand that it is a tragedy when a child wish can not be reality, and that people would try to use all legal possibilities they can.However when it turns to needing to pay corrupt people in order to get it cheap they should understand the risks involved and not cry when this goes awry. If you take a risk, do not cry over spilled milk.

[msmob]

Sorry but I can nor empathize with people who decide to use corruption because they need to fulfill their selfish wishes.

Huh?  YOU have brought in corruption into the equation ..  Are you suggestion all these cases are babies involved in a non-legal surrogacy scheme ?  For sure, I'd sde with you, in that respect.

I do understand that it is a tragedy when a child wish can not be reality, and that people would try to use all legal possibilities they can.However when it turns to needing to pay corrupt people in order to get it cheap they should understand the risks involved and not cry when this goes awry. If you take a risk, do not cry over spilled milk.

Again,  YOU mention 'corruption' ..  If an agency is licensed by govt, then it is not corrupt until proven so.

I hadn't put you down as mean and unthinking

[Shadow]

Again,  YOU mention 'corruption' ..  If an agency is licensed by govt, then it is not corrupt until proven so.

I hadn't put you down as mean and unthinking

In some countries you might expect this, but in Ukraine expect the opposite.The mean and unthinking ones are on the other side...

[msmob]

In some countries you might expect this, but in Ukraine expect the opposite.The mean and unthinking ones are on the other side...

'Sorry' you will have to explain..   IF you meant Russia, it is totally illegal.

http://ecsm.ru/

http://surrogacyinrussia.com/

[Shadow]

'Sorry' you will have to explain..   IF you meant Russia, it is totally illegal.

http://ecsm.ru/

http://surrogacyinrussia.com/

1. If anything is bad point to Russia
For the rest, figure it out for yourself, should not be a problem with your extended business experience.

[msmob]

1. If anything is bad point to Russia
For the rest, figure it out for yourself, should not be a problem with your extended business experience.

I see, back to being obtuse. when you cannot / will not explain to those not so well blessed in 'Shadow'...

I just pointed out something GOOD about Russia ... it went over your head, perhaps ..?

Lots of things are great about Russia... the govt is pretty crap ..and has a lengthy record of fails and refusal to allow a real opposition.


 

[Shadow]

I see, back to being obtuse. when you cannot / will not explain to those not so well blessed in 'Shadow'...

I just pointed out something GOOD about Russia ... it went over your head, perhaps ..?

Lots of things are great about Russia... the govt is pretty crap ..and has a lengthy record of fails and refusal to allow a real opposition.

Point is you do not even need to get Russia in the discussion, as is has no part in this. Unless you wish to state that the Kremlin allowed Ukraine to give out such a license, which would not be beyond you.As for opposition in Russia, name one single candidate that Russians would consider viable opposition. Western pushed clowns not accepted.

[msmob]

Point is you do not even need to get Russia in the discussion, as is has no part in this.

OK, YOU choose the state that doesn't allow surrogacy and we can discuss the corrupt operators

Unless you wish to state that the Kremlin allowed Ukraine to give out such a license, which would not be beyond you.

Rather petulant and more than a might 'insulting', seeing the current Moscow regime  ( for that is what it is, bites off chunks of former SSRs and hands out passports...and bearing in mind it mixed populations up, to russify in it's Imperial and Soviet guises..

As for opposition in Russia, name one single candidate that Russians would consider viable opposition. Western pushed clowns not accepted.

I can name hundreds - who's candidacy 'failed' on numerous bogus pretexts ..

What sort of govt., has WhatsApp groups for civil servants asking them to confirm in a group made by a Party Official boss of a dept., whether the employee has voted and sends out reminders, or calls, until they 'confirm'...?

Now, the subject 'was' Surrogacy .. not your need to tell us that you fail see a version of Russia I don't

[ML]

This post and the gist of it was that children born under perfectly legal circumstances were stranded because of corona.

I don't see where the corruption idea came into the equation.

I didn't think it was illegal to employ the surrogate method in any (most) countries; but don't have much knowledge regarding this.

[msmob]

This post and the gist of it was that children born under perfectly legal circumstances were stranded because of corona.

I got that .. 

I don't see where the corruption idea came into the equation.

me neither..I have tried to remind Shadow of same

I didn't think it was illegal to employ the surrogate method in any (most) countries; but don't have much knowledge regarding this.

It's a good topic, then

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrogacy_laws_by_country

You might be surprised !

[Shadow]

I can name hundreds - who's candidacy 'failed' on numerous bogus pretexts ..

Do it.

[jone]