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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #225 on: December 30, 2020, 02:52:44 PM »

To build a property empire, she will need to be a saver, and wait many many decades.

I know many Married Russian women living in the USA. Once they
get to know their way around a balance sheet, and watch a few
fix up this house series on HGTV she will change her tune. Angel Eyes
wants to be a home flipping, property acquiring tycoon.

They don't have the same rule of law and property rights in the FSU
as they do the West. Russian women aspire to be land barons and
property tycoons just like they do throughout the Western world.

Since this is very difficult and more risky in Russia and the interest
rates are quadruple or quintuple you see far less of them (none of
them at ages 18-25).

Many Russian women are savers too.
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #226 on: December 30, 2020, 02:57:49 PM »

To build a property empire, she will need to be a saver, and wait many many decades. Traits which i doubt he will find in a FSUW, they mostly spend what they have, rather than save. Act like they are rich, but behind closed doors are broke. He can move to FSU, he will be fine tutoring english, with some side money from the house rental (I suggest he goes to the S and P 500, and invests in a High dividend Yield Index fund). Lives off that many , many will want him.

I understand your theories but there is more than one way to
accomplish a goal. I know many, many rich people and maybe
one in thirty made their money in the market. I know many
more who made their money on their own company stock or
growing their own business or by developing property or by
coming up with a tech idea.

« Last Edit: December 30, 2020, 02:59:25 PM by 2tallbill »
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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #227 on: December 30, 2020, 03:00:39 PM »
Russian women aspire to be land barons and
property tycoons just like they do throughout the Western world.

Since this is very difficult and more risky in Russia and the interest
rates are quadruple or quintuple...
Nowadays, most of them pounce once someone dies and register their interest in whatever property is left.

It's largely still a smash and grab mentality rather than a logical wealth creation plan...

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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #228 on: December 30, 2020, 03:06:10 PM »
I understand your theories but there is more than one way to
accomplish a goal. I know many, many rich people and maybe
one in thirty made their money in the market. I know many
more who made their money on their own company stock or
growing their own business or by developing property or by
coming up with a tech idea.

Sadly buy to let mortgages are a lot more strict compared to few decades ago, also UK has laws that are now more against landlords. Index funds and property is nearly identical , they are good long term investments. But as I said , long term , need something else to make some money along the way .

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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #229 on: December 30, 2020, 03:10:50 PM »
Nowadays, most of them pounce once someone dies and register their interest in whatever property is left.

It's largely still a smash and grab mentality rather than a logical wealth creation plan...

Business acumen is rare in FSU, businesses try short scams, thinking they are smart , but lose long-term customers . An example, all the food I order , is one day from expiry . They hustled me out of small money, but no longer will I place orders for fresh food , this mentality is common , and people end up zipping their wallets.

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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #230 on: December 30, 2020, 04:16:09 PM »
this mentality is common
It's all over the developing world. Much of Russia has moved on from this stage but not all. The former states are still lagging behind to an extent.

It's hard to beat it out of them, my Ol' lady is really only just getting ahold of it now and even she, under pressure, will tend to revert a little...

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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #231 on: December 30, 2020, 05:00:02 PM »
Business acumen is rare in FSU

Trench ain't gonna teach her to pick pockets or swindle people.
If a girl is smart, then she can learn. Park her in front of HGTV
for 2 hours per day and see what she knows in a couple weeks.

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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #232 on: December 30, 2020, 07:20:51 PM »
I understand your theories but there is more than one way to
accomplish a goal. I know many, many rich people and maybe
one in thirty made their money in the market. I know many
more who made their money on their own company stock or
growing their own business or by developing property or by
coming up with a tech idea.

Indeed, I agree Bill. There's a lot of buzz about investing in S&P at the moment. Initially it may do ok but I tend to take the view that once something gets caught on by a lot of people then in the end it doesn't tend to end well. The Landlord game was one such area till recent here in the UK but it's now being walloped by lots of legislation and increased taxation making it a lot less lucrative for many landlords. It's still possible to do quite well if you go about it the right way or just rent your house out to lodgers rather than tenants if just one house.

The other stuff you mention is very valid also. It's possible to make very good money playing the stock market or lose a lot, it's all down to risk. New tech or products can see someone home but it can be case of protecting your idea and cost to defend any infringement,  and cost to produce the product. If it's easily copied then some people do so and after selling lots of your product take all their money out of the business and fold up just as you're getting to the final court stages.

Starting up a business is another possibility but again it's not as easy as it sounds. The person needs to start up the right business, one where there are customers, not too much competition around, one where good profit can be made and one where there are no pitfalls that screw up the business concept. Loads of people doing the same business can really screw up profit margins. So not as easy as many people think, it can be a pretty tall order to get the right business and that can sometimes mean investing a lot of money. Some people have of course set up very profitable businesses on a very limited budget. A lot of people aren't so lucky though. Think there is a statistic floating around somewhere that for so many businesses that start up only so many survive, and it's not a high figure lol. So a lot of money can be wasted of trying to get a business going which will never be any good.

It sounds like Japs isn't doing too bad with his business if he gets a living wage out of it. Whether it can be developed to be anything bigger and more lucrative is another matter. If he gets a living wage and it is labour intensive and he can't scale up the business often by employing others then that probably won't be as good a business as one in which that can be done or a business that is not labour intensive but the money rolls in easy enough.

I think Japs should hold onto his house, it's not problem free but long term it's likely to be pretty solid. S&P may not be another bad option to get into over time. Possibly he could mortgage his house to get into it soon and his lodgers pay off the mortgage, that way he still keeps the house and gets into S&P. If things go bad with the house situation then he still can take out some money out off S&P.

I think his strategy of diversification is a good one so long as choices are chosen carefully. Too many eggs in one basket means the whole lot gets hit and in life of course sh*t often happens, in fact it can be pretty much counted upon to happen lol.
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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #233 on: December 31, 2020, 05:01:31 AM »
It is your choice Trench, i just have many years experience with lodgers, short story, you are going to find out the tough way. Index funds spread the risk, s and p 500, is 500 of top companies in the US, my plan when i do sell my house, is invest in world index fund (even more spread about) . The key is spreading the risk, rather than investing in a few companies. Vanguard has world index funds for UK citizens.

Regarding my business, i don't plan on living off what i invest, i plan to invest my earnings from my business. But these days i tend to spend, life in Ukraine is costing me $1000-1200 a month, that is with my apartment $400, rest is my cost of living , i like to go out twice a week to a place to eat, taxis , food for two people , buy clothes for me, and treat a girl i am with to a dress or something once a week. I could get my spending lower, but i am not really fussed, i worked it out, that if i didn't touch my index funds , it would be worth nearly $2m in 25 years, i don't even need to add money to it. I don't need much for life, i don't need a flashy car, rolex's etc I am content with the materialistic items i have, i want to just have better skills for my business, my burning passion is seeing how far i am progressing in terms of my skills, also going gym is fun. The rest is background noise, what i earn comes naturally, as i improve my skills.

People focus way too much on money, and forget to actually get skilful in one area, and try to become the best in the world at that one thing. Chasing money imo doesn't work for me , chasing skill has worked for me. Also being generous , being a servant for others to aid them in their lives.


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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #234 on: December 31, 2020, 12:43:21 PM »
There's a lot of buzz about investing in S&P at the moment.

Trench,

The S&P500 isn't some sort of new fangled investment scheme.

Regardless of where you start out. If you put 10% of your income monthly in the
S&P for 30 years you will be a multimillionaire. You need to stop pooh-poohing
everything that doesn't align with your eclectic, often odd ball opinions.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #235 on: January 31, 2021, 06:02:17 PM »
I don't agree with that.  One of our sons is slim, 6', probably 140 lbs, and he has girls throwing themselves at him all the time.  His personality type can handle all of the attention.


I don't think it's ever been true that slender men are at a disadvantage, or are seen as "weak".


I am fairly certain there are muscled men all over Ukraine.  There certainly were a lot in Kyiv during the Soviet period.  I imagine it's even more now, as that gym culture expanded after the collapse.

Maybe in the outer suburbs of Kiev but in the city centre I saw little of it. In the mobile phone shops I visited there tended to be slimmer & shorter than me. In the parks guys in linen type of shirts & chinos with their girls again all pretty slim. In the supermarkets much the same. In Odessa they have outside gym areas for working out in the summer, some You Tube videos on girls at Odessa beach show them.

I'm 6ft too & an average in looks judging from photofeeler but never had girls running after me that much but then my social ability is not that great, I tend to tire off long conversations. My guess is that your son has something else going for him either above average or better looks facially, good social ability, obvious monied background - nice car, etc to get that response. That said it all depends on what people's idea of slim is I guess. If there not seen as weak then I don't reckon they get any plus points for it either rather they don't lose any extra by being overweight.
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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #236 on: February 01, 2021, 02:09:20 AM »
Maybe in the outer suburbs of Kiev but in the city centre I saw little of it. In the mobile phone shops I visited there tended to be slimmer & shorter than me. In the parks guys in linen type of shirts & chinos with their girls again all pretty slim. In the supermarkets much the same. In Odessa they have outside gym areas for working out in the summer, some You Tube videos on girls at Odessa beach show them.


I was last in Kyiv about 2 years ago, and I saw a lot of body building type men in the downtown area.  I was there for approximately 8 weeks.  I also see men of all heights.  I'm not particularly tall, but every man in my family is, including the better half.   My father, and all of my cousins, on both sides of my family, range from 6'2" to 6"8".  I'd say the heights of men in Ukraine that I see vary as much as they do where I live, and seeing men over 6 foot is very common.


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My guess is that your son has something else going for him either above average or better looks facially, good social ability, obvious monied background - nice car, etc to get that response. That said it all depends on what people's idea of slim is I guess. If there not seen as weak then I don't reckon they get any plus points for it either rather they don't lose any extra by being overweight.


Well, I am prejudiced about his handsomeness, as I'm his mother. When he moved out, he didn't take his car, which is 18 years old - he wanted to baby it by keeping it in the garage over the winter.  He lives centrally so walks everywhere.  He has been on his own for 2 years, and lives like most students do.  He hasn't received money from us since he moved out, although I pay for the odd Costco run for him.  His tuition, his rent, his clothing, entertainment, hobbies, etc., even his new laptop, are all self funded.  He also doesn't come from a monied background.  I would define our lifestyle as professional middle class.  His last serious girlfriend, who he broke off with, came from serious money, far, far more than I could ever imagine having.
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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #237 on: February 01, 2021, 10:40:14 AM »

I was last in Kyiv about 2 years ago, and I saw a lot of body building type men in the downtown area.  I was there for approximately 8 weeks.  I also see men of all heights.  I'm not particularly tall, but every man in my family is, including the better half.   My father, and all of my cousins, on both sides of my family, range from 6'2" to 6"8".  I'd say the heights of men in Ukraine that I see vary as much as they do where I live, and seeing men over 6 foot is very common.



Well, I am prejudiced about his handsomeness, as I'm his mother. When he moved out, he didn't take his car, which is 18 years old - he wanted to baby it by keeping it in the garage over the winter.  He lives centrally so walks everywhere.  He has been on his own for 2 years, and lives like most students do.  He hasn't received money from us since he moved out, although I pay for the odd Costco run for him.  His tuition, his rent, his clothing, entertainment, hobbies, etc., even his new laptop, are all self funded.  He also doesn't come from a monied background.  I would define our lifestyle as professional middle class.  His last serious girlfriend, who he broke off with, came from serious money, far, far more than I could ever imagine having.

Well really a case of what genetics determines for us on looks so it's not like we get to chose how good looking we are that's all predetermined for us. So it could be that difficult to tell without knowing him but in general it's either that or good social ability that are the two main ones. A third is gym body but you've already said he is on the slimmer side. That is all of course assuming the girls are what I and most blokes would call quality girls and he's not going for the low hanging fruit. A lot of guys brag about the women they've had but those women may not have it in the looks front or are obviously overweight. Some men don't mind that and a girl doesn't have to be a model but some guys do strike well under on those fronts and consider it all the same. I think I recall you said you had another son who didn't date much but preferred to study, what do you think is the difference between the two of them?
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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #238 on: February 01, 2021, 02:04:40 PM »
All the girls he's had as longer term girlfriends (more than six months) were pretty, and all were very intelligent, as that is what he likes.  They are all young, so slim.  Two were model beautiful.  One of the model like girls, he now agrees, was bat**** crazy.  The other one, he is still friends with, and I would not be disappointed if they ended up together.  However, it's his life, and neither the better half nor I interfere in the lives of our children.
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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #239 on: February 01, 2021, 04:59:50 PM »
Trench,

The S&P500 isn't some sort of new fangled investment scheme.

Regardless of where you start out. If you put 10% of your income monthly in the
S&P for 30 years you will be a multimillionaire. You need to stop pooh-poohing
everything that doesn't align with your eclectic, often odd ball opinions.


The average salary in the UK is 38,600.So somebody who puts an average 320 a month into S&P for 30 years of their working life from say 15 years ago will become a multimillionaire in 15 years time ?


How about the many minimum wage workers raking in 8.70 an hour,that would mean if they lob 150 a month into S&P  they can retire in 30 years on their Superyachts as multimillionaires ?
« Last Edit: February 01, 2021, 05:19:23 PM by Chelseaboy »
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #240 on: February 01, 2021, 06:50:22 PM »

The average salary in the UK is 38,600.So somebody who puts an average 320 a month into S&P for 30 years of their working life from say 15 years ago will become a multimillionaire in 15 years time ?


How about the many minimum wage workers raking in 8.70 an hour,that would mean if they lob 150 a month into S&P  they can retire in 30 years on their Superyachts as multimillionaires ?

Chelseyboy, I know you know this, but I know Trench doesn't.

ONE very, very important thing is to put the money in every month or two weeks,
however you get paid. That way you will be buying at the high, the mid and the
low. Why is that important? Because if you try to time the market then you probably
will get it wrong, but doing it periodically over time is called dollar cost averaging.
This reduces your risk. (Google this for guys who don't know).

Bill's timing secret opinion. . . . . Many, many people put money in the market at
the first and/or the 15th of each month. In my opinion if you buy on the 28th and
the 12th you will be buying a couple days ahead of the millions of people on auto
pilot and in my theory you will be buying at a very slight advantage that will pay
off over time.

Mutual funds buy over a period of days and mix it together to lessen the impact
of this, but it's my opinion that over time you will buy stocks for a kopeck less
here and there which will make you extra money over the long haul.

The real secret is dollar cost averaging. Who knows if Bill's timing theory actually
works but dollar cost averaging over long periods of time does.

« Last Edit: February 01, 2021, 06:52:58 PM by 2tallbill »
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There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Trenchcoat's Further Theories on, and Experiences of, Dating in the FSU
« Reply #241 on: February 03, 2021, 10:55:45 AM »
Ordinarily I would agree, but there's this girl I know and I think she suffers from Depression.

Trench,

Would you just read what you write and think about it for ten seconds
before you press the post button?

There was a guy who wouldn't listen to advice. His girl locked him in his
apartment on New Years eve, then went out and partied, then came back
a couple days later to tell him she got called in to work and he wouldn't
listen to us tell him that she was lying to him.

You are becoming worse than that guy.

Don't get involved with women who have mental issues including depression.
Depression is a very serious medical illness that negatively affects how you feel,
the way you think and how you act. I got that last sentence from the American
psychiatric association website.

You don't have a medical degree or training in psychology and if you did every
medical professional would tell you not to treat somebody that you were
romantically interested in.

You are hoping to cash in romantically because a women experiencing depression
is acting abnormally (by interacting with you who is 20 years older). What will you
do next? Hang outside sex addicts anonymous meetings hoping to hookup?


FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

 

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