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« on: May 28, 2020, 12:38:36 PM »
So this is just a subject I had been pondering a while. In the instance that someone gets with a FSW and has children, where do you think is the best place to bring them up the FSU or the West?

Assuming here of course a mix off the two could be a possibility.

I know a lot of people here might instinctively say the West but I think some of the nicer parts of the FSU could have some positive stuff going for it also.

In particular I really like the fact that a lot of the FSU still works on a basis off traditional male & female gender roles. No feminism of note screwing up society over their. Girls brought up to act like girls and with their shared norms & values. Boys knowing where they are supposed to fit in and what is required to get the girl. Now I'm not saying it's perfect, some girls are materialistic though if a guy has access to the West that's not necessarily as bad as it might first seem.

In the West on the other hand greater opportunities can exist, but so does feminism and with it a lot of people not knowing how they fit in and a lot of people competing against each other. In general a breakdown of many families and relationship problems, a growth of Incels, etc.

My own thoughts are if I ever had Children I think I would like them to be socialised in the FSU. I wouldn't likely want to live out there a long time but during the main socializing time would likely be a good idea, not sure when that is but I think 12-16 ish is probably the main time, from general pubity time I guess.
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2020, 12:58:23 PM »
Mercifully, I cannot see Trench's post, but I CAN  read the question  :ROFL:

Better you discussed this with the mother of your kids ...

Oh, wait a mo .. You've not found the mother, yet ..

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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2020, 01:03:23 PM »
Mercifully, I cannot see Trench's post, but I CAN  read the question  :ROFL:

Better you discussed this with the mother of your kids ...

Oh, wait a mo .. You've not found the mother, yet ..

Mobe, you know it's most ridiculous you arguing without even seeing now what you are arguing against, lol.
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2020, 02:55:07 AM »
Trench,

More politely stated maybe: 'Putting the cart before the horse'.

It makes absolutely no sense to discuss such hypothetical situations that won't be actionable for some time to come, if ever.

You are again heading down that misogynistic fantasy road that inevitably leads nowhere and helps no one except maybe to impress yourself by reading your own posts over and over.

Suggest first finding a woman that would consider having kids with you and talk it over with her instead. I think you'll discover what you think won't mean squat...  After all, it is her uterus, not yours.

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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2020, 03:40:46 PM »
Trench,

More politely stated maybe: 'Putting the cart before the horse'.

It makes absolutely no sense to discuss such hypothetical situations that won't be actionable for some time to come, if ever.

You are again heading down that misogynistic fantasy road that inevitably leads nowhere and helps no one except maybe to impress yourself by reading your own posts over and over.

Suggest first finding a woman that would consider having kids with you and talk it over with her instead. I think you'll discover what you think won't mean squat...  After all, it is her uterus, not yours.

So you think BC, discussing such with a woman only shows weakness. I will make sure I'm the one making the decisions here ;)
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2020, 02:23:26 AM »
Trench is give up on Ukraine.... There’s way too much competition from
men who can provide a better lifestyle.

Southeast Asia is where you should go..... A few years ago a colleague who’s in his mid 30’s and doesn’t earn much more than you, met an attractive Filipino woman who’s a beauty technician....She’s now 32. She was a virgin when they met (strict parents waiting for the right man for their daughter) and now they have a 1 month old son. She seems a nice young lady and very devoted to her new husband.

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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2020, 05:25:23 AM »
Trench isn't 'in to' Chinesy looking women ..

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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2020, 07:35:42 AM »
Trench isn't 'in to' Chinesy looking women ..

Genomic data indicate Han Chinese, Japanese and Korean people are genetically closely-related and derived their ancestry from a common gene pool.

Those living in Philippines however are part of the Malay group.

So they don't look so Chinesy .
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2020, 08:25:01 AM »


So they don't look so Chinesy .

We are dealing with Trench's level of genealogy, not mine ..
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2020, 12:47:43 PM »
Trench is give up on Ukraine.... There’s way too much competition from
men who can provide a better lifestyle.

Southeast Asia is where you should go..... A few years ago a colleague who’s in his mid 30’s and doesn’t earn much more than you, met an attractive Filipino woman who’s a beauty technician....She’s now 32. She was a virgin when they met (strict parents waiting for the right man for their daughter) and now they have a 1 month old son. She seems a nice young lady and very devoted to her new husband.

Davo, it's kind of my fall back. The Filipino look is not a bad one, dependant on the girl of course. Offspring that are part Filipino always tend to translate better towards the white aesthetic that Chinese or Thai I believe. Chinese or Thai one generation down tend to still look more Chinese or Thai than white, second generation down and most won't show as much. Filipino on the other hand one generation down don't tend to stand out as obviously nearly as much I believe. I have nothing against Chinese, I like their culture and have nothing against their look, but I find even part Chinese one generation down tend to come with certain attributes. I tend to to find while they are polite, courteous & civilised that tends to come at the detriment of fitting in as well socially in the often more vibrant white culture. Thai women I just don't tend to trust, they seem far too dodgy for my liking. Filipino women I do find are nice and soft and gentle, caring types as a generalisation. They also tend to have a great figure, slender with some being reasonably tall.

I get what you're saying though Davo, FSW associate Western Men as being able to provide a certain lifestyle. In short they mostly all think Western Men all live in a large palace style house, drive a prestige car and bring in big income, lol. Anything that falls short of that on arrival in the country and they'll likely be of to find a guy that can provide that as soon as possible.

However, I'm not quiet done with the FSU, I honestly do love the look off the women there. Ukrainian women in particular I just can't seem to turn away from, I find them just so beautiful if not somewhat fun time types. I think I've got a couple of tricks up my sleeve now that I would like to play and we'll see how it goes.

Sounds like you're friend did pretty well though so Filipino women are worth bearing in mind :)
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2020, 03:25:40 PM »
Other thing to mention of course is that Filipino women tend to be short. Apparently the average is a mere 4ft 11 inches. That's shockingly short and for a six footer like me not ideal. Even with a Ukrainian girl who is the Ukrainian female average height of 5ft 4-5 inches it can feel like I'm going around with a little kid sometimes lol, kind of a little embarrassing sometimes I feel. So as a 6ft guy it's kind of a bummer, I don't really want to feel like a giant and you tend to be down to certain sex positions in the bedroom. The more shorter a girl is/bigger the height difference the more awkward it can be. Even hugging, on a real short girl she would have her arms wrapped around my belly with her head resting probably at the top of my belly. That's a pretty odd situation, I think I would have to hope to end up with one of the more taller Filipino girls if I went for that option.

I know I can go for Belarusian girls. From what I have seen and commentary on You Tube they can often make better more stable wives than Ukrainian girls but the downside is that they can be boring, I've met one and while she could have been worse yes the more homemaker type does tend to not be an exciting type. That said that was kind of my original intention in looking for a FSW like that. However, there is something in the more racy Ukrainian girls that has a certain allure, they keep the game interesting, so perhaps I have come to like that kind of fun type of personality even though it comes with its problems.
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2020, 03:57:16 PM »
That's a pretty odd situation, I think I would have to hope to end up
with one of the more taller Filipino girls if I went for that option.

I've dated a zillion girls who were a foot shorter than I am. It's not that big
of difference. When I dated 5 foot tall girls then its a huge difference.
You can't put tab A into slot B and kiss X, Y or Z at the same time.


I know I can go for Belarusian girls. From what I have seen and commentary on You Tube they can often make better more stable wives than Ukrainian girls but the downside is that they can be boring, I've met one and while she could have been worse yes the more homemaker type does tend to not be an exciting type. That said that was kind of my original intention in looking for a FSW like that. However, there is something in the more racy Ukrainian girls that has a certain allure, they keep the game interesting, so perhaps I have come to like that kind of fun type of personality even though it comes with its problems.

Trench,

There isn't a typical Belarussian woman. There isn't a typical Ukrainian woman,
there isn't a typical Russian woman, Moldovan women, Romanian woman. 


None of them are more OR less anything than the other girls. They are pretty
similar but they still have girls who are Angels and they still have girls who will
kill you in your sleep and harvest your kidney's and everything in between. 

There isn't a short cut, there isn't a magic pill, there isn't a magic hunting ground,
there isn't an Amazon Island, there isn't any of the weird crap that you have rattling
between your ears.

YOU WANT A GOOD GIRL!! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!
FIND A GOOD GIRL AND THEN GO TO HER WHERE EVER SHE IS

 
You need a good girl who will put up with you and the can of hyperactive
worms inside your head.

You've been given all this information many times and you aren't capable of
getting it.
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2020, 08:04:45 AM »
Bill, I tend to find the society & culture shape the women somewhat. Of course there are going to be differences and some will have particular traits through genetics etc.

Belorusian society is very orderly and controlled, crime is low and people know what happens to people that step out of line, so their behaviour and hence attitude will be affected by that. Contrast that with Ukraine and you couldn't have a more different society, Ukraine society is corrupt, wild & reckless things can happen, their is far less order & social control, mob control maybe. Women in Ukraine grow up in a society that is somewhat archaic, employment, uncertain economic conditions and old age provision are not good, scamming & crime are around. But society is loose and informal allowing for good fun to be had, boundaries are fewer and despite the not so great society decent people still exist.

A girl that is into me and a good girl are of course needed. I was just responding to a question above from Davo weighing up Filipino girls. For me it kind of makes sense to strike out for territory where I know the women won't be too far off basic criteria. I've no doubt that a great relationship could be found with a Filipino woman of 4ft 11inches or similar. The height issue would in that case not be something to ditch a good relationship over, but of course it would still be an inconvience. I could equally find a great relationship in Ukraine and if the height average is generally higher there one where it feels more comfortable height wise is all I'm saying.
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2020, 10:16:41 AM »
YOU WANT A GOOD GIRL!! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!
FIND A GOOD GIRL AND THEN GO TO HER WHERE EVER SHE IS


This true, but I would say most girls dating online fall into two groups:

1). Real pretty girls, now they are there for a reason, guys have not generally passed over them, they have passed over the guys. They will want something in return for looking hot & being in demand. On the good end it's a lifestyle expectation - holidays abroad, being bought clothes, comfortable house/living, not having to work, etc. On the bad end they will be immigration mule seekers, money grabbers, scammers.

2). Girls who are under par. Basically they have been passed over by guys. It may be because they are fatties, ugly, lack social skills, quiet/shy, bad personality, or may have mental health problems, etc, etc. To be honest a lot of these girls are likely to be good, honest, genuine girls. Apart from the bad cases in this category of bad personality who are just not nice and girls with real bad permanent mental health conditions this category many girls could be found with whom a long term relationship could be found. They are unlikely to become the target of another guys attentions not seek another guy unless things get real bad in the relationship. The big downside is of course whatever problem (s) they had which made them so undesirable in the first place. Those problems could of course be passed onto any offspring.

Those that meet in day to day walk of life are probably for the most part likely to be moderate and dateable to many people. They are the ones that they guy won't suffer from in terms of being in either of the above category to my mind.
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2020, 01:27:35 PM »
This true, but I would say most girls dating online fall into two groups:

1). Real pretty girls

2). Girls who are under par.

Then you are doing it wrong AND pursuing girls who are too young.

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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2020, 01:41:55 PM »
Of course there are going to be differences and some will
have particular traits through genetics etc.

BS

Belorusian society is very orderly and controlled, crime is low and people know what happens to people that step out of line, so their behaviour and hence attitude will be affected by that. Contrast that with Ukraine and you couldn't have a more different society, Ukraine society is corrupt, wild & reckless things can happen, their is far less order & social control, mob control maybe.

OMG, Belarus is every bit as corrupt as Ukraine and it's certainly not
less corrupt! 

Women in Ukraine grow up in a society that is somewhat archaic,
employment, uncertain economic conditions and old age provision
are not good, scamming & crime are around.

THEY ARE NEARLY EXACTLY THE SAME
The differences are so minute that they are immeasurable.
You don't think they have scamming in Belarus??

The only difference is that they don't have a marriage agency
industry like they do in Odessa, Nikolaev, Kiev and such. 

I've no doubt that a great relationship could be found with a
Filipino woman of 4ft 11inches or similar. The height issue
would in that case not be something to ditch a good
relationship over, but of course it would still be an inconvience.

I could equally find a great relationship in Ukraine and if the
height average is generally higher there one where it feels
more comfortable height wise is all I'm saying.

There are plenty of Filipino women who are 5ft 3 and taller.
72" (your height) minus 63" (her height) = 9 inches.
79" (my height) minus 67" (Angel Eyes height) = 12" inches.

You are so full of crapola! There is nothing you can't do with
a woman who is 9" shorter. I would have only been able to
date women who were shorter than 5' 10" if you were NOT
totally full of crapola, but alas you are.

There are countless Filipino women who are 5' 3" 

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That doesn't mean that they won't leave you or divorce you in the
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2020, 01:45:03 PM »
This true, but I would say most girls dating online fall into two groups:

1). Real pretty girls, now they are there for a reason, guys have not generally passed over them, they have passed over the guys. They will want something in return for looking hot & being in demand. On the good end it's a lifestyle expectation - holidays abroad, being bought clothes, comfortable house/living, not having to work, etc. On the bad end they will be immigration mule seekers, money grabbers, scammers.

2). Girls who are under par. Basically they have been passed over by guys. It may be because they are fatties, ugly, lack social skills, quiet/shy, bad personality, or may have mental health problems, etc, etc. To be honest a lot of these girls are likely to be good, honest, genuine girls. Apart from the bad cases in this category of bad personality who are just not nice and girls with real bad permanent mental health conditions this category many girls could be found with whom a long term relationship could be found. They are unlikely to become the target of another guys attentions not seek another guy unless things get real bad in the relationship. The big downside is of course whatever problem (s) they had which made them so undesirable in the first place. Those problems could of course be passed onto any offspring.

Those that meet in day to day walk of life are probably for the most part likely to be moderate and dateable to many people. They are the ones that they guy won't suffer from in terms of being in either of the above category to my mind.

plain and simple bs, and this is coming from a serial looser like you who can't even score a proper date in either Poland or Ukraine - or UK for that matter..

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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2020, 02:37:09 PM »
BS

OMG, Belarus is every bit as corrupt as Ukraine and it's certainly not
less corrupt! 

THEY ARE NEARLY EXACTLY THE SAME
The differences are so minute that they are immeasurable.
You don't think they have scamming in Belarus??

The only difference is that they don't have a marriage agency
industry like they do in Odessa, Nikolaev, Kiev and such. 

There are plenty of Filipino women who are 5ft 3 and taller.
72" (your height) minus 63" (her height) = 9 inches.
79" (my height) minus 67" (Angel Eyes height) = 12" inches.

You are so full of crapola! There is nothing you can't do with
a woman who is 9" shorter. I would have only been able to
date women who were shorter than 5' 10" if you were NOT
totally full of crapola, but alas you are.

There are countless Filipino women who are 5' 3" 

*********************************************
NOTE TO TRENCH
Sit down before you read below
*********************************************
*********************************************

Filipinas are far, far, far, far, far less inclined to get divorced
than ANY woman from the FSU. They don't even have Divorce
in the Philippines

That doesn't mean that they won't leave you or divorce you in the
UK, but it's far less a part of the culture than their sisters in Eastern
Europe.
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Go to the Filapina sites, use the search function to find girls who
are 5' 3" and taller and write a few letters.

There are some good plus points there Bill, but I think you are forgetting one thing. For US guys the Philippines is pretty much in your back yard, but for us UK guys it is literally the other side of the world. That entails an expensive plane fare and a long, long flight, probably around 24 hours or more on a quick flight.

The other factor is that I'm kind of invested in the FSU now. I've been learning the language (ok but still much more to do) and built up experience and knowledge out there. I'm pretty sure I can sort it now out there. I'm hoping to get out there around August time as the lockdown is likely to lifted by then and provisions worked through without having to be the gineau pig going through it all. I'm pretty sure I can have a good run of it now :)
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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2020, 08:25:16 PM »
There are some good plus points there Bill, but I think you are forgetting one thing. For US guys the Philippines is pretty much in your back yard, but for us UK guys it is literally the other side of the world. That entails an expensive plane fare and a long, long flight, probably around 24 hours or more on a quick flight.

Ok, you have stated a lot of idiotic things, but this is in its own class.  Take a look at a map.

If you still can't figure it out : 

 - New York to Manila: 8,506 miles
 - LA to Manila:  7,292 miles
 
 - London to Manila:  6,672 miles


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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2020, 09:00:19 PM »
Ok, you have stated a lot of idiotic things, but this is in its own class.  Take a look at a map.

If you still can't figure it out : 

 - New York to Manila: 8,506 miles
 - LA to Manila:  7,292 miles
 
 - London to Manila:  6,672 miles

Steve, you beat me to it..... SE Asia is in my back yard and America is on the other side of the world.

Trench.... Give waplog a go. It’s where my colleague met his wife. He said it has the typical long letter visa type scammers, but genuine women have the same online characteristics and behaviour like FSU women do.

Chatting to my Russian mate, he thinks you have no chance with women in Ukraine because of your income, being an introvert and it has the most competition from other men.
His home village is just outside Ufa and he thinks you would even struggle there because men earn more than you. His opinion is, your best chance is further east in Siberian villages where western men rarely visit. You’ll be the talk of the town and single women will go out of their way to meet you because of the novelty factor.

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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2020, 05:22:26 AM »
Back to answering the original question. I actually have experience as my father had a very multicultural clientele. This question was often raised.The answer is: raise them where you want them to live as adults.
Children will pick up most of the culture during their school years. If you want them as adults to live somewhere, try to live there during their school years.This brings the issue that the culture of the children will be different to at least one of the parents, and there has to be a level of acceptance for this. Remember that children are influenced quickly and their mixed heritage will inevitably be touched upon during growing up.
Raise children when possible in both languages, so they will be reasonably fluent in them to communicate with both sides of the family. If you communicate with your spouse in a third language, do not worry, they will pick it up soon enough.
During early school, expectthe children to have less words in one language, this wil develop fast as in reality they know double the amount of words of their clas mates.


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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2020, 09:57:09 AM »
Back to answering the original question. I actually have experience as my father had a very multicultural clientele. This question was often raised.The answer is: raise them where you want them to live as adults.
Children will pick up most of the culture during their school years. If you want them as adults to live somewhere, try to live there during their school years.This brings the issue that the culture of the children will be different to at least one of the parents, and there has to be a level of acceptance for this. Remember that children are influenced quickly and their mixed heritage will inevitably be touched upon during growing up.
Raise children when possible in both languages, so they will be reasonably fluent in them to communicate with both sides of the family. If you communicate with your spouse in a third language, do not worry, they will pick it up soon enough.
During early school, expectthe children to have less words in one language, this wil develop fast as in reality they know double the amount of words of their clas mates.

Indeed, some good points there Shadow. I think I would mainly want to raise them with an English background in the UK (i.e the West) and of possible in Dorset since parts such as Wales and elsewhere have a particular accent that can stereotype a person a lot once set in. I wouldn't really want to move from one region of the UK to another once settled as again a different accent can make it more difficult to fit in. The main native language would of course be English but I would want them to learn Russian from an early age as well and be proactive about sorting this. The Ukrainian language I see as not broad enough to be worthwhile in terms of future usefulness.

Now all that said and not withstanding trips to Ukraine or wherever I kind of also like the idea of them having some experience of Ukrainian culture & society more like a native than an occasional visitor, but at the same time not too a long a period of time. I don't see that being there at a young age would be that beneficial in that, not anything approaching a year or so at least. I see mid to later teen years as generally being more their choice if they hold a strong persuasion. I'm guessing that pre GCSE years would be best as then it's not disturbing them so age 13-14 at the latest. Now puberty happens around 10-11 yes old so anytime starting between age 10-13 for a year over there perhaps. That would of course depend on residency situation. Another way to do it could be to spend a few summers out there though that may not of course be quite the same.

The main issue here is to avoid the feminist clap trap that is taught in Schools along with the 'its ok to be fat' crowd. Career talk tends to happen around 14-16 age but that can't be avoided unless the child misses out on formal UK qualifications, so probably would have to stick around for that. Earlier socialisation for a female to avoid the rubbish they come out with on careers stuff would no doubt be handy. Thinking of this in terms of school structure I would put that as logically taking a year out 11-12 years for Secondary School or same year group again for Middle School. All other age groups in the UK education system are either starting a new School or the last year before moving up a School. That is all with the exception of the 10-11 age group which is probably starting too young for the experience to be worth the while.

So reckoning taking the child for a year out when they are 11-12 is probably best timing. If there are two or more children then just focus most on that age group for any female. Any make child would just have to know how much easier it is to get laid there and how much more attractive the women in general tend to be there. That can be done in a few brief visits, or a summer out there. The females need greater time I would feel to be brought up in a more feminine environment and avoid only knowing the feminist societal environment.
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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2020, 11:02:52 AM »
There are some good plus points there Bill

The other factor is that I'm kind of invested in the FSU now. I've been
learning the language (ok but still much more to do) and built up
experience and knowledge out there. I'm pretty sure I can sort it
now out there.

I'm hoping to get out there around August time as the lockdown is likely
to lifted by then and provisions worked through without having to be the
gineau pig going through it all. I'm pretty sure I can have a good run of
it now :)

I was just shooting down your arguments for why not. I was also pointing
out that you fear some girl will marry you and then leave with your house,
money, future income and go live with somebody richer and more handsome
than yourself.

They don't have the divorce culture in the Philippines like they do in the
East.

I am not trying to convince you to go to the Philippines, you like what you
like and want what you want. I am all for going after what you want.

You need to be 100% concerned with finding a good girl. If you aren't finding
them then you are searching too young and will continue to have the same
problems until you change direction.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
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« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2020, 12:50:32 PM »
Indeed, some good points there Shadow. I think I would mainly want to raise them with an English background in the UK (i.e the West) and of possible in Dorset since parts such as Wales and elsewhere have a particular accent that can stereotype a person a lot once set in. I wouldn't really want to move from one region of the UK to another once settled as again a different accent can make it more difficult to fit in. The main native language would of course be English but I would want them to learn Russian from an early age as well and be proactive about sorting this. The Ukrainian language I see as not broad enough to be worthwhile in terms of future usefulness.

Now all that said and not withstanding trips to Ukraine or wherever I kind of also like the idea of them having some experience of Ukrainian culture & society more like a native than an occasional visitor, but at the same time not too a long a period of time. I don't see that being there at a young age would be that beneficial in that, not anything approaching a year or so at least. I see mid to later teen years as generally being more their choice if they hold a strong persuasion. I'm guessing that pre GCSE years would be best as then it's not disturbing them so age 13-14 at the latest. Now puberty happens around 10-11 yes old so anytime starting between age 10-13 for a year over there perhaps. That would of course depend on residency situation. Another way to do it could be to spend a few summers out there though that may not of course be quite the same.
Please take note that Russian and Ukrainian, how similar they may be to the outsider, are now two distinctive cultures and languages.w
It is very easy to solve. MrsShadow talks to the chidrenon Russian, her native language. I talk to them in Dutch, my native language. Between each other we talk Engish.I am from the West and while I do not have the accent of my city of Birth, the accent is distinct from where we live now. The children are developing  slight accent but people will find it hard to place it as it has influences from all.
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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2020, 03:34:11 PM »
Please take note that Russian and Ukrainian, how similar they may be to the outsider, are now two distinctive cultures and languages.


They always were distinct languages and cultures.  There are many similarities, and always were.  There is also an overriding Soviet culture, and many of its influences still dominate, some three decades later.


As for Trenchcoat, well, he is looking for something that doesn't exist, and if he ever finds a Ukrainian wife, I think long term, he will be disappointed.


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