Polygamy

[Trenchcoat]

Been thinking about this subject recently. Now is it just me or does it seem strange that Polygamy is illegal in most of the world? I mean we have it where gays can marry, trans people do all sorts to themselves and all this not discriminating on this or that but when it comes to Polygamy it's still a no go. Shouldn't it be a person's human right if they want to marry and be with more than one person?

To my mind it seems incredibly out of touch with the times. I can't see how society can say we need to respect all these gender, racial and sexual issues and yet Polygamy is still made illegal and no one questions it. Now I don't know how exactly the impact would be, I'm guessing the most attractive looking men or women would get the majority of the other sex. Also they would still need to find more than one other person willing to accept another person of their gender, unless person is bi of course. Yet in theory should it not be allowed? I personally don't think it would work in my favour it would probably make women even more scarce then they already are for me and probably a lot of other men in the west. The main point is that societies across the world with the exception of North Africa and parts of the Middle East seem to allow some forms of marital arrangements and not others which appears inconsistent and illogical if you think about it.

[BillyB]

Most religions do not accept polygamy. Anybody here not into religion can explain why polygamy is acceptable or not acceptable to them? Trench, you know somebody is going to hammer you saying you shouldn't be thinking about marrying multiple women until you marry your first.

[msmob]

Thank you, BillyB

I just wan't going to bother..

If only Trench applied his 'thinking' to improving his technique with the ladies and reevaluating WHY he fails and blames 'richer' guys

[Trenchcoat]

Most religions do not accept polygamy. Anybody here not into religion can explain why polygamy is acceptable or not acceptable to them? Trench, you know somebody is going to hammer you saying you shouldn't be thinking about marrying multiple women until you marry your first.

Yep I knew that would be happening, lol. That tends to happen on here on most stuff I say though. So I thought when the usual culprits have their predictable dig (Moby ) I might actually hear from someone with something worthwhile to say on the subject.

Indeed most Religions do not allow Polygamy and I can see is society based itself from that. Religions also did not permit gay marriage but that has changed of recent. The main point being is that society does not have to follow religion in making/keeping it illegal, not in this day and age. That said I don't hear of much clamour from people to legalise it. Even still it's a law prohibiting human choice which in this day and age where any other choice is possible and theoretically 'equal' it seems strange that laws still exist against Polygamy unchallenged.

[Trenchcoat]

If only Trench applied his 'thinking' to improving his technique with the ladies

Indeed, if I avoid any potential dig in what you say you do have a point to some extent Mobe. Earlier on when I started this search for a FSW I was not that aware of how it all worked in detail, like Yos in the other thread. Now I am aware of how the scene all works, not infinitely but enough to potentially make a decent go off it. My only problem is now that the virus situation has made it all a lot more difficult. Hopefully that will pass as otherwise just at the point where I can make a go off it the rug gets pulled from under my feet

At the end of July Ukraine might end it's restrictions on entering. That is the sort of thing I need AST the moment it's still too much fuss to make it worth the bother. I also need to see that Virus cases are not too risky to make the journey worth the risk.

I could wait till next year but for all I know it may be little better and to be honest I would like to get in this year with it. As soon as the situation let's up I will make my move then if I am successful it may make you zip it up for a while

[msmob]

Trench,

You DO know that Ukraine is still on the UK's 'naughty' list, so you'll have to quarantine and even if not in England,soon, defo in Wales ( if you are a law-abiding citizen)

[Trenchcoat]

Trench,

You DO know that Ukraine is still on the UK's 'naughty' list, so you'll have to quarantine and even if not in England,soon, defo in Wales ( if you are a law-abiding citizen)

That's generally why I'm waiting so that quarantine restrictions are eased both ends. Apparently at the moment in Ukraine you can get a medical done at the airport to avoid the 14 day quarantine. After 31st July that may go in Ukraine. Then of course there is any quarantine issues on coming back but again I reckon if I wait a bit longer they will probably go.

All this devolution max rubbish really isn't working, it's just creating more fuss that is a pain in the bum. I find Scotland and Wales seem to be coming out with stuff just to be different to England to give themselves a platform to be noticed. The whole devolution rubbish should be scrapped to my mind better as it was before one Parliament where representative MP's go from all parts of the UK.

In theory I could cross the border into Wales and the Welsh government wouldn't have a clue, lol.

[krimster2]

100% you can go to Ukraine right now as well as Turkey
with both countries you're supposed to immediately self quarantine upon entry
it does produce a bit of a travel burden, but not an insurmountable one...

for sure, now it'd be 100% certain
that if you take a young Ukrainian girl who has hardly even been out of her village, shopping with you in one of Istanbul's up-scale Malls
you will not only spend thousands of dollars for her new clothes and shoes, plus hotels, restaurants, etc
but you will also have the WILDEST, HOTTEST SEX in your 5 star hotel room that you will EVER have in your whole gosh darned life...
with a young girl who is at least a solid 9+
WTF more could you possibly want?

they will literally present themselves to you naked on the bed
just to get your approval
and they are naturally submissive in how they behave with you

and you guys can still DO THIS TODAY even with the virus!!
in fact, it's even easier because of it!

but no...
instead of this, all you incels do is porn and video games

[ML]

you will also have the WILDEST, HOTTEST SEX in your 5 star hotel room that you will EVER have in your whole gosh darned life... with a young girl who is at least a solid 9+

Not likely that one of us would have the best sex ever, given that a young girl (or even a young woman) is posited.

It takes a female some years to develop ability to participate in wild, hot sex; and probably a great many never develop such ability.

[msmob]

100% you can go to Ukraine right now as well as Turkey
with both countries you're supposed to immediately self quarantine upon entry

Nope.. Russians ( if they can get out) and Brits ..for sure .. can holiday.. in Turkey, as long as they don't test positive. 

Trench wouldn't be quarantined ( if healthy) either going or returning - at this moment..but he WOULD be required to self-isolate if entering to go to his Welsh love pad ..

[Trenchcoat]

100% you can go to Ukraine right now as well as Turkey
with both countries you're supposed to immediately self quarantine upon entry
it does produce a bit of a travel burden, but not an insurmountable one...

for sure, now it'd be 100% certain
that if you take a young Ukrainian girl who has hardly even been out of her village, shopping with you in one of Istanbul's up-scale Malls
you will not only spend thousands of dollars for her new clothes and shoes, plus hotels, restaurants, etc
but you will also have the WILDEST, HOTTEST SEX in your 5 star hotel room that you will EVER have in your whole gosh darned life...
with a young girl who is at least a solid 9+
WTF more could you possibly want?

they will literally present themselves to you naked on the bed
just to get your approval
and they are naturally submissive in how they behave with you

and you guys can still DO THIS TODAY even with the virus!!
in fact, it's even easier because of it!

but no...
instead of this, all you incels do is porn and video games

Yes, yes, but is it possible to times that joy by two, three, four, five multiple times by marrying two, three, four, five multiple women? Do you reckon you would be able to convince Ukrainian women to go along with such?

Think of the joy if that was accomplished, a variety of women to get off with whenever you liked

[msmob]

It is interesting to read Trenches theories about acquiring 'extra wives', when he cannot even find a g/f ..

[Trenchcoat]

It is interesting to read Trenches theories about acquiring 'extra wives', when he cannot even find a g/f ..

That's in the UK where it is difficult for a lot of guys thanks to feminism. We are of course talking theoretically here. I'm not suggesting polygamy is good (or bad), it probably wouldn't favour the everyday guy like me. I'm just highlighting the contradiction that while it's ok to marry if your gay, etc that polygamy is one of the few areas where restrictions are placed on the individual, it go unchallenged and seemingly contentedly so by the most populations globally and relatively little is said.

So how can one practice(s) be restricted and not others seemingly without a good reason to restrict it?

[krimster2]

"Do you reckon you would be able to convince Ukrainian women to go along with such?"

I have 5 women living with me right now, this includes one wife and two adult daughters....
they do whatever I tell them!

last year, I had a ton of naked teenage girls swimming in my backyard pool
but not this year
bummer...

[Boethius]

Polygamy is a cause of social instability. 

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-01/uobc-mrm012312.php (the study is linked in this synopsis)

http://www.economist.com/christmas-specials/2017/12/19/the-link-between-polygamy-and-war

In Mormon sects that practice polygamy, young men are banished, so that old men can force themselves on girls as young as 12.  In Bountiful, British Columbia, most of the polygamous families are on benefits, so are therefore a drain on society.  Were polygamous marriages to be made legal, alleviation of poverty by state subsidies would have to be reconsidered.  We'd all level down to, say, Morocco, rather than Morocco moving up to a current Western standard of living.

Google was used to retrieve the above (previously read) articles.

[2tallbill]

Polygamy is a cause of social instability. 

Exactly

I can see why religions and governments allowed it in certain
cases in biblical times. If died back then my family is in terrible
peril and people died young all the time back then. Nobody would
marry my wife or take care of my children and the government
wouldn't do anything either.

However, If I died and my brother is obligated to marry my wife
and adopt my family then they have somebody who loves them
and tries to take care of them who isn't shunned by his community.

Back then it made sense in the case of death. There isn't a compelling
reason to do it today in first or even second world countries.

[ML]

Outlawing of polygamy and even the institution of marriage was developed for the benefit of beta males.

[msmob]

Outlawing of polygamy and even the institution of marriage was developed for the benefit of beta males.

I realise you were being tongue in cheek, ML..

There's nothing more scary than a guy suggesting he's 'alfa' (sp,mistake intentional)

They tend to be the biggest arseholes

 

[Trenchcoat]

Just thought I would resurrect this thread as my posting in Japs trip report seems to have been rudely deleted by someone, hmmnn....

Anyway, I was commenting that the only polygamous relationships known offhand to me are the Mormons. Boe was making the point that most straight women don't like sharing a man with another woman. Likewise as a guy I and most other straight guys wouldn't tend to much in favour of sharing a woman with other guys if that is what the woman ventured that she wanted. That of course means not necessarily being in the bedroom at the same time just the presence of others in a relationship. Interesting that most straight people take this stance pretty much out of instinct other than concern for STD's I guess.

Anyway, the point was raised by Boe to Japs that only Bi-sexual women would be comfortable with it while a woman who was straight would likely dislike it deep down only going along with it if she felt she had too.

That made me wonder whether polygamous relationships among the Mormons might largely be made up of Bi-sexual Mormons since most communities have them and so it becomes an acceptable means to hide this element and keep Bi-sexual women within the faith. To my mind if they are straight and in a polygamous relationship then how do the Mormons make it work where most of the rest of the world don't? Any thoughts?

[2tallbill]

To my mind if they are straight and in a polygamous relationship then how do the
Mormons make it work where most of the rest of the world don't? Any thoughts?

It doesn't work, for all the reasons that Boe stated. They have to get rid of
the young men, which is the opposite of benefiting a society. They have to
convince the girls at a young age that this is what God intended and they
generally live on welfare in poverty.

The Mormon Church renounced polygamy in 1890.

[2tallbill]

Just thought I would resurrect this thread as my posting in Japs trip report seems to have been rudely deleted by someone, hmmnn....

I haven't been following along, but found this thread. 
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24978.msg551798#msg551798

[2tallbill]

The lost boys, thrown out of US sect so that older men can marry more wives
Up to 1,000 teenage boys have been separated from their parents and thrown out
of their communities by a polygamous sect to make more young women available
for older men, Utah officials claim.

Many of these "Lost Boys", some as young as 13, have simply been dumped on the
side of the road in Arizona and Utah, by the leaders of the Fundamentalist Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (FLDS), and told they will never see their families
again or go to heaven.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jun/14/usa.julianborger


Hundreds of 'Lost Boys' Expelled by Polygamist Community
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=851753&page=1

[Trenchcoat]

The lost boys, thrown out of US sect so that older men can marry more wives
Up to 1,000 teenage boys have been separated from their parents and thrown out
of their communities by a polygamous sect to make more young women available
for older men, Utah officials claim.

Many of these "Lost Boys", some as young as 13, have simply been dumped on the
side of the road in Arizona and Utah, by the leaders of the Fundamentalist Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (FLDS), and told they will never see their families
again or go to heaven.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jun/14/usa.julianborger


Hundreds of 'Lost Boys' Expelled by Polygamist Community
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=851753&page=1

Thanks for the info Bill, that's a shockingly strange story. Guessing then they do, do it with straight women. I wasn't really aware of all the ins & outs of the Mormons so didn't know it was just a large sect of it where that stuff went on so that was handy to know also. Kind of shocking that some people have such a hold on others, women at that, to get them to so such things. Usually I tend to find women can be quite obstinate in what they see as in their best interests. Guess those young chaps were lucky they didn't turn them into eunuchs instead

[John Gaunt]

Anyway, I was commenting that the only polygamous relationships known offhand to me are the Mormons. Boe was making the point that most straight women don't like sharing a man with another woman. Likewise as a guy I and most other straight guys wouldn't tend to much in favour of sharing a woman with other guys if that is what the woman ventured that she wanted. That of course means not necessarily being in the bedroom at the same time just the presence of others in a relationship. Interesting that most straight people take this stance pretty much out of instinct other than concern for STD's I guess.

Anyway, the point was raised by Boe to Japs that only Bi-sexual women would be comfortable with it while a woman who was straight would likely dislike it deep down only going along with it if she felt she had too.

That made me wonder whether polygamous relationships among the Mormons might largely be made up of Bi-sexual Mormons since most communities have them and so it becomes an acceptable means to hide this element and keep Bi-sexual women within the faith. To my mind if they are straight and in a polygamous relationship then how do the Mormons make it work where most of the rest of the world don't? Any thoughts?

Polygamy doesn’t mean threesomes or orgies happening.
Unlikely that sexual relations in polygamous relationships are multi partner but that the man has a choice of partners to engage sexually with at any given time one on one.

[2tallbill]

I wasn't really aware of all the ins & outs of the Mormons so didn't know
it was just a large sect of it where that stuff went on so that was handy
to know also. Kind of shocking that some people have such a hold on others,
women at that, to get them to so such things. Usually I tend to find women
can be quite obstinate in what they see as in their best interests. Guess those
young chaps were lucky they didn't turn them into eunuchs instead

Trench there are over 6 million Mormons in the USA. My totally wild ass guess
is that there are less than 10 thousand bigamists spread across the country.
Of that group my guess is that maybe 300 of the women might have been
hot at some time in their lives before they turned into baby factories. I
could only imagine how mediocre the sex would be with one of them.

I think that zero percent of the women any some sort of hot lesi sex mixed
together with their husband. Lesbi stuff rates right up there with bestiality
among the religious zealot crowd.