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Re: Is pursuing an FSU wife for everyone?
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2020, 04:15:33 AM »
So what you're saying is ..

It's a 'rule', because some blokes live in nations with tougher visa regs, re FSU tourists ? ;)

As the gal will be seeing the place where she'll live ( as long as the guy checks her life out  ..if you can).. the order is irrelevant

Ergo, a VERY silly rule.  As it make no sense, at all..

I disagree, seeing the girl's place first is off up most importance. If that is left to later in any way it is a hurdle being left to later and one that can be tripped up on. So a lot of time spent to later fall at that hurdle. Seeing the girl's place first can get rid of any game play and tell the guy a lot more about the girl. It can also mean the girl is serious and show to the girl that the guy is serious as opposed to just messing around for a bit off fun.
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Re: Is pursuing an FSU wife for everyone?
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2020, 06:43:20 AM »
I'm going to assume you include me in that, so I'll respond !

Reading Pat's dating exploits is amusing and somewhat pitiful.

You guys may be using apps rather than dating sites and you get less chance to impress - before getting swiped the wrong way, but Pat's advice is more for the sex tourist than a serious wife search

Pat is offering a plethora of advice for any man in the search for FSUW and women in general. It's good advice for the most part and quite current as far as I know as I've been out of the search and dating game for a dozen years. It's not necessary for either you or I to find it helpful as neither of us are searching and/or dating. He's putting it out there for those that might find it helpful. Why attempt to sh@t on it?

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Re: Is pursuing an FSU wife for everyone?
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2020, 07:36:20 AM »
Pat is offering a plethora of advice for any man in the search for FSUW and women in general. It's good advice for the most part and quite current as far as I know as I've been out of the search and dating game for a dozen years. It's not necessary for either you or I to find it helpful as neither of us are searching and/or dating. He's putting it out there for those that might find it helpful. Why attempt to sh@t on it?



I agree with you. Yet at the same time, Pat is also a great example of what can happen to someone confident and assured of his ware when dealing in the MOB arena.


I will give that what he shares in the forum is far better than those who paint a rosy landscape over what is otherwise a field filled with landmines.
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Re: Is pursuing an FSU wife for everyone?
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2020, 10:02:29 AM »
In the pitiful department MSB already showed us many of his accomplishments.
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Re: Is pursuing an FSU wife for everyone?
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2020, 11:29:09 AM »
Beel, now, you're obfuscating..

I am going here for any continued arguments/discussion
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24457
« Last Edit: July 19, 2020, 11:34:59 AM by 2tallbill »
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Re: Is pursuing an FSU wife for everyone?
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2020, 12:20:48 PM »
it is only through the actual experience of living your everyday life
that you learn to better understand the character of the natural order of human existence, including your own...

we are each dealt a hand in life,
how you play yours is up to you

the problem for most of you guys
is not only do you NOT know how to win the game
you don’t EVEN KNOW how to play it...
you’re just staring at a hand full of cards, thinking, “what’s all this for?”

if you are a tall, good looking white male, you will get 100 times more attention from Russian women in Russia than you will EVER get from American women in America, 100 TIMES!!!...
why?
because, you are “super exotic” and someone really exceptional to them
a Russian woman meeting you would be like some redneck in the USA meeting the Swedish Bikini Team...

believe it or not, after I lived over there awhile, it became easy to spot foreigners in a crowd of Russians, because their faces looked uniquely different from the Russians....
Anglo Saxons are REAL easy to spot in a crowd of Russians!!
Russian women prefer blue eyes, light colored hair, high cheek bones and jaw line, tallness, strong looking

if you are a foreign version of this, under age 40, you will literally get ALL the attention from the women in the supermarket as you shop, it can be annoying as well as make you paranoid until you get used to it because of all the eye contact they keep making with you!!

BUT...
you will have 10 phone numbers before you leave the magazine or gastranome

in Russia, a good looking foreign male is the CENTER of attention for the women, like OMG level of attention and NOT the other way around!
bask in it's rays

women are an OVER abundant resource in Russia
easily exchanged for something less common and more valuable
combined with a "non-politically correct" culture compared to the West
that will allow a certain "flexibility" in how you treat female employees....

the women in Russia ALL have an emotional vulnerability that can be easily exploited
you win them over, by being exceptionally kind and caring towards them
they literally just melt when you do that
and aren't used to it, and it really catches them off guard when a foreign man does it...
if you allow it to escalate, it will usually lead to a "sexual display" from them
which you have to decide how to handle
the absolute worst thing is to turn her down
because that would be "rejection"
some situations aren't worth it, like the 18 yr old neighbor with the CRAZY RUSSIAN father
so the only thing I did with her was towel her off after skinny dipping

but, this is the life in Russia
you get to see some pooty-tang ALL THE TIME in Russia, all the time....
and I'm not even talking about Rasputin's which is "to die for" as far as pooty-tang is concerned
like OMG!!


PS,
recently found an old pic of me
this is what I looked like the first time I went to Ukraine in 1996 and I stayed in Kyiv for 6 months
the women in Kyiv went crazy over me there back then, because of how different I looked from Russian men
different, but to them and especially because of my height, not bad
and we're talking 19-21 yr old undergrads from Taras Shevchenko  that went CRAZY over how I looked in deerskin jacket and tight jeans and aviator glasses
and I was a dewd in my late 30s in 1996

I called Kyiv opposite land
cuz suddenly women were CHASING AFTER ME!!!
WTF?

 

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Re: Is pursuing an FSU wife for everyone?
« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2020, 07:25:51 AM »
As a man that married a Ukrainian woman and have been with her for plenty of years. You don’t need to have a lot of money at all. As long as you can afford cosmetics, clothes and perfumes in no particular order and it’s not like it’s an everyday event as you can spread all those things throughout the month. Then your good as gold. How can you tell if a Ukrainian or Russian woman is in love with you though. It’s very simple. If she spends her most valued possession on you which is her money. Then she’s crazy in love with you. My wife bought me a 100$ pair of sandals a week ago and even though I refused to let her spend her coin on me. She said it would mean a lot to her. Money to Ukrainian or Russian women is their greatest treasure. Everyone knows that. Of course a man should do all the spending but when she starts spending her coin on you. Then your highly valued. There is many other things as well. Sure my wife does all the womanly duties like cooking, cleaning, etc. but isn’t that to be expected anyways. 


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Re: Is pursuing an FSU wife for everyone?
« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2020, 07:43:42 AM »
Not everyone is cut out for FSU women. Many men get
chewed up and their bones and broken hearts will litter
the ground. Pat started an excellent list of things that will
lead to huge problems and I added a few more at the end.   

Excellent list Pat. I put it in list form for you. I assumed what you
meant on numbers 14 and 23 and wrote them so that they were
easier to understand in English.  Let me know if I didn't get it right.

I came up with a few additions for Pats list.

50. You are paranoid of getting scammed.

51. YOU DON'T HAVE A PASSPORT!!

If you don't have a passport then stop reading this thread and
go get one right now. You need a passport photo and a real
birth certificate. Get the passport with more pages in it.

If you are just reading the forum because it's an interesting
thought/fantasy and your not really going to marry a hot
loving Russian woman who thinks that frequent sex is
"good for health" then that's fine.

This pursuit is harder than it looks and it really takes a lot
of effort and the first trip almost always ends in disappointment.
For me it took 9 years. For what it's worth almost everyone was
successful faster than I was.

I had really high standards. I spent a huge part of my life married
to the wrong woman that I felt stuck with and I wasn't happy with
so I really, really wanted to get it right this time.

If you want to read about my 9 years of struggles, trials, tribulations
and eventual success you can follow the link below.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0

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« Last Edit: July 20, 2020, 07:55:58 AM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Is pursuing an FSU wife for everyone?
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2020, 10:54:18 PM »
51. YOU DON'T HAVE A PASSPORT!!

If you don't have a passport then stop reading this thread and
go get one right now. You need a passport photo and a real
birth certificate. Get the passport with more pages in it.

If you are just reading the forum because it's an interesting
thought/fantasy and your not really going to marry a hot
loving Russian woman who thinks that frequent sex is
"good for health" then that's fine.

This pursuit is harder than it looks and it really takes a lot
of effort and the first trip almost always ends in disappointment.
For me it took 9 years. For what it's worth almost everyone was
successful faster than I was.

I had really high standards. I spent a huge part of my life married
to the wrong woman that I felt stuck with and I wasn't happy with
so I really, really wanted to get it right this time.

If you want to read about my 9 years of struggles, trials, tribulations
and eventual success you can follow the link below.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0

Udachi!

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You know in the UK a person currently needs to get someone in a profession to countersign their passport application to say  to the passport people that to the best off their knowledge the person applying is that person. Not only that but only certain professions can do it, there is a list of professionals that are accepted, i.e Solicitors, Teachers, etc. Not only that but that professional has to know you personally. That professional has the right not to sign for you. It's worse than it has ever been and highly discriminatory, it shows how appallingly classed based the UK is. Fortunately I got my passport when the passport system was less classist than it presently now is. I keep my passport locked in a safe at home as otherwise if I lose it I have to go through the whole above process and I have no guarantees that I can find a professional I know personally to sign for it. Many people don't know any profesionals on the list.


I think in regards to success it varies depending on what is regarded as success in this venture and by whom. A guy in this venture can go out to the FSU and pull himself a real ugly girl, a girl with bad character flaws, a girl who is bad socially and not even realise it. He can then think he has been 'successful' on the basis that he has found someone. If he is happy with that person then maybe for him he has but in terms of the greater picture the guy has just gone for the easy bait, the sub-par women and if he has children with her they may end up with her sub-par traits. So I think you were right to be picky Bill. I think rushing into just getting any girl without a guy realising who he is getting with is not the best situation.
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Re: Is pursuing an FSU wife for everyone?
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2020, 08:58:11 AM »
Note to newbies, skip down to the red warning

First of all, I THINK you're being deliberately obtuse..

No, I just disagree with you and that's not a crime.


I tried VM.. it was a pain in the arse... not pleasurable juggling speed dating, 'lying' ( are you here to see other women?) and turning your phone off when on a date in case another lady calls ..

You were doing it wrong. That's why it sucked so bad. I've rarely
had a woman call when I was on a date. It happened twice that
I can remember.

Once when I was in Voronezh, I had broken up with the Green Eyed
tall girl. I was meeting Angel Eyes for our second date. I had already
cleared the board and was going to pursue Angel Eyes exclusively.

So the original girl called and wanted to get back together. That can
happen to anyone who has a past.

NOTE: Below is where the important information can be gleaned

I tried VM.. it was a pain in the arse... not pleasurable juggling speed dating, 'lying' ( are you here to see other women?) and turning your phone off when on a date in case another lady calls ..

You don't want to know how to do it correctly. You are already married
and don't need to know. I can explain to anyone who is curious what you
were doing wrong but basically you were using visit one tactics when you
were using a visit many strategy.

You call it speed dating, if you are doing it correctly you are really
"speed dumping". You ask yourself "Is this girl worthy to dump
all the others to pursue her exclusively?"
The answer is either yes
or no.

If yes then dump all others and pursue her exclusively
If no then dump her and go to next date

What screws up visit many punters is to ask a girl on another date
if the answer is no. They are having second dates with more than
one girl and that's why they have to lie and/or turn off their phones.
Guys will ask a girl out a second time because she is smokin' hot and
wasn't totally against the idea.

If the smokin' hot girl was totally into them and they had mutual
chemistry and she was honest to this point then a guy should clear
the board and pursue her only. However, that isn't what happens.
They date a smokin' hot woman and she sorta likes them.

You don't want a woman who is sorta interested. You dump that
girl and find a girl who is totally into you and you won't get phone
calls while you are on dates because you dumped the other girls
after dating them once.

I meant some guys seem to LIKE ( prefer )  perennially dating ...rather than settling down ..

Men and woman are free to date. They usually continue to do so
until they find "the one"

I have been accused of far worse.

« Last Edit: July 22, 2020, 09:03:59 AM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Is pursuing an FSU wife for everyone?
« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2020, 11:53:39 AM »
OMG..

Beel is telling me I do not 'get' VM trips, when I have been to the FSU many more times more and longer stays ))

Like I said elsewhere...I am busy..but be prepared for a roaming with examples..

We'll be back, EU ..and as a certain 'gentleman' couldn't accept my offer to 'bury the hatchet' .. Don't trust a clueless Californian 'business owner' who cannot even quote me, honestly ..

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« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2020, 02:25:26 PM »
OMG..

Beel is telling me I do not 'get' VM trips, when I have been to the FSU many more times more and longer stays ))

If you understood visit many trips then you wouldn't say such silly
and irrelevant things about them. You did them wrong, end of story.

You need to stop pissing on spark plugs then telling us that
diesel engines are the only way to go since they don't shock
so bad. 

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2020, 05:37:10 PM »
If you understood visit many trips then you wouldn't say such silly
and irrelevant things about them. You did them wrong, end of story.

Indeed, I think Mobe's sense of pride is inhibiting him from acknowledging that he did VM wrong. I don't blame him for not getting it right, at the time he tried it there was no doubt less information to go on than today. Even today he may still not fully realise what he was doing wrong. Sometimes it's possible to be making more than one error in doing VO. Not until I tried it in Lviv did I realise how different a strategy it is. I found that it's not just one aspect that's is different but many aspects, virtually the whole lot. So it's was kind of like starting back at square one as when starting off visiting FSW with VO. On that occasion it was not the most productive process as I got stuff wrong and stuffed it up a bit

It's probably fair to say many a guy has done a bad job of their first time out on a VM strategy, Mobers included whether he likes to admit to it or not.
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« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2020, 12:10:29 AM »
Good morning, Beel

Time to deal with your daft excuses


If you understood visit many trips then you wouldn't say such silly
and irrelevant things about them. You did them wrong, end of story. 

VM may be for those who 'claim' :

1/ to have limited time
2/ they live further away

and other such lame excuses... the truth is ( esp. with easier comms tools ) that one can be pretty certain of who you want to meet BEFORE you get on the plane .. there's no excuse for speed dating or 'speed rejection' ( your telling words )

VM is for clueless newbies, not experienced chaps..  The newbies have an 'excuse' .. they are learning the ropes...cultural differences, expectations on how a guy behaves on a date.


Some of us ' target' the LADY, not a city, having done due diligence.

Another 'excuse' offered up by you is that you met your wife after your 'primary target' and you didn't work out ...   There's nought wrong in admitting you "came to see another and it didn't work out, and I'm here ... "  ...it worked for you.

It is complete bollox to suggest, " you don't know how to do a VM"  ....  I knew, 'thanks'.. I ( personally) found it stressful and too many conflicting emotions v balancing time and more than one lady.

Men tend to think with their little brain ( I am no exemption ) and having two or more ladies hold your hand, take you to the same place you were hours earlier and may be wanting to indulge in various degrees of seriousness 'in games for two' does my head in .. 

To me, the words, " we are adults"  are SCARY ;)  I prefer to feel I KNOW this person well enough, emotionally.. Having the 'best sex ever', isn't going to help to average guy to decide on a lady he wants to share his life with..   VM is an unnatural decision making process.

Example: Lady A kissed so divinely, B had the best arse you'd ever seen, C looked gorgeous but seemed sexulally reserved ...  Do I need to be making decisions to 'eliminate' ladies who all want to meet, but will think you're a shyte for' juggling' dates ... no 'thanks' ..  How many times have you met a lady with whom you REALLY thought you'd click, she seemed sexually reserved, until she felt you were serious and you might reject on a VM ..?

Doing a VM means you will 'fib' and probably lose the very best lady - who'll know you're doing a VM - even if you don't make it clear.. and decide NOT to meet at all, because you're a 'player' ... 


Did you ever think you had to take so many trips, because your due diligence, before hand, sucked ? .. Or may be you can be honest and simply say, I enjoyed the selection process! ;)

To me guys doing VM trips get what they deserve and spoil it for those coming after .

We'll be back, EU ..and as a certain 'gentleman' couldn't accept my offer to 'bury the hatchet' .. Don't trust a clueless Californian 'business owner' who cannot even quote me, honestly ..

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Is pursuing an FSU wife for everyone?
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2020, 12:35:50 PM »
Good morning, Beel

It is complete bollox to suggest, " you don't know how to do a VM"  ....  I knew, 'thanks'.. I ( personally) found it stressful and too many conflicting emotions v balancing time and more than one lady.

Different people have different personalities You find it personally
stressful
because it doesn't fit your personality so you shouldn't
do it but you need to understand that others don't find it personally
stressful and don't feel the need to tell lies.

Women asked me why I was in Russia/Ukraine etc and I would say
that I came to meet a girl but it didn't work out1, then I
saw your incredible smile and thought that I would never forgive
myself if I didn't meet you2

What to do if a woman asks am I meeting others? My answer is
If it doesn't work out with us then I will keep looking3.

You see there is no reason to tell a lie, it can only hurt you and
a good girl won't put up with lies and you want a good girl, that's
the most important thing.


1. 100% of the time with single people it didn't work out romantically
with their last experience or they would still be together. This is a perfectly
reasonable thing to tell somebody because it's the truth and it happened
to EVERYBODY. No need to tell lies or spin falsehoods and I highly advise
that you refrain from any lies or falsehoods.

2. You picked the meeting with this girl for a reason, this is where
you give them a compliment based on this reason.

3. This is the main reason I don't have extensive communication
before meeting.


« Last Edit: July 23, 2020, 12:39:33 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Is pursuing an FSU wife for everyone?
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2020, 12:58:45 PM »

I prefer to feel I KNOW this person well enough, emotionally.. Having the 'best sex ever', isn't going to help to average guy to decide on a lady he wants to share his life with..   VM is an unnatural decision making process.

Example: Lady A kissed so divinely, B had the best arse you'd ever seen, C looked gorgeous but seemed sexulally reserved ...  Do I need to be making decisions to 'eliminate' ladies who all want to meet, but will think you're a shyte for' juggling' dates ... no 'thanks' ..  How many times have you met a lady with whom you REALLY thought you'd click, she seemed sexually reserved, until she felt you were serious and you might reject on a VM ..?

Doing a VM means you will 'fib' and probably lose the very best lady - who'll know you're doing a VM - even if you don't make it clear.. and decide NOT to meet at all, because you're a 'player' ... 


Mobe, I don't think VM is about having sex at all, it's about going to 'meet' many ladies over a coffee break as friends with no assumption of 'love'. What's wrong with that?

Now the whole idea is to see IF there is CHEMISTRY. It's not about anything else, it's not about evaluating how nice her bum might be, how a hot girl might be a moralistic prude and take time to put out, etc, etc.

So you are looking for that spark, that quick eye movement, that feeling of electricity from both sides. Without that then the terms you are proceeding on are more random. Is it  for sex, for companionship, for convenience ; for economic, emotional or practical support, etc, etc. Sometimes these relationships might evolve into 'love' but most times it probably won't ultimately lead anywhere.


Now let me educate you Mobers ;D Now do you think all women get with a guy because there is Chemistry? The answer you are scratching your head for is no. Women will get with a guy for many other reasons. They are often unlikely to tell the guy she does not feel chemistry for him but she knows she is better off economically, emotionally, or family wise etc, etc with him than without. In the FSU particularly for many women there is the stark choice of getting with 'a' guy rather than a miserable life being stuck on their own and as Krimster said end up eating cat food in their retirement.

The point is most guys want a girl where there is chemistry and so do the girls but, especially in the FSU, that is not necessarily at hand and so one or both may have to settle for less. Bill I think is rightly telling us not to. The best situation is nearly always where there is chemistry.

Now if you meet enough women through VM sooner or later you will likely find one with chemistry. Then assuming there is not some bad character flaw then you are all sorted.

The problem with VO is that you don't know if there is any chemistry there until meeting. Now do you want to end up with a girl who will make out she is into you but is only interested because you have something going for you that makes it worthwhile for her in her mind being with you? Some guys are so overjoyed at finding someone they don't want to know of anything else. Fine if it's convenient to both parties and both parties are happy, but the ideal of course is to find a girl there is chemistry with. The law of averages tells us that unless we are lucky most guys would have to do a lot of VO trips before they get to that and that's if VO even brings up decent enough women.
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« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2020, 03:11:38 PM »
Did you ever think you had to take so many trips, because your due diligence, before hand, sucked ? .. Or may be you can be honest and simply say, I enjoyed the selection process! ;)

Here the real Moby comes out.

You see Moby is more clever, more woke and more special than you are
and if you were a special snowflake like Moby and followed all of Moby's
horsesh!t then you would be able to select girls who already perfect so
you wouldn't have to waste any trips to meet imperfect girls.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
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« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2020, 04:03:06 PM »

Like I said elsewhere...I am busy..but be prepared for a roaming with examples..

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« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2020, 05:54:35 PM »
Here the real Moby comes out.

You see Moby is more clever, more woke and more special than you are and if you were a special snowflake like Moby and followed all of Moby's horsesh!t then you would be able to select girls who already perfect so
you wouldn't have to waste any trips to meet imperfect girls.

That's not how I read the post.  I believe what he is disputing is your assertion that VM is the best way, or the only way.  It isn't, and it won't work for everyone.

Once as a teen, I had to travel to Moscow overnight.  I shared a cabin with a student from West Africa.  One thing he told me that shocked me was that it was time for him to marry, so he was going to go home that year.  It was clear from our conversation that he had no particular girl in mind, and that the girl really didn't matter that much.  There would be no view of love, or even "chemistry", whatever that is.  This very utilitarian, and foreign way of seeking a marriage shocked me in my tender youth.  But really, was his way any worse, or better, than my idea of only marrying someone you love with every fibre of your soul?

In the end, how I read moby's post was that he could never do a VM because it's contrary to his nature.  That may be true of others as well.  There are plenty of posters here who went to visit only one woman with whom they had corresponded, and they ended up marrying that woman.  Sometimes, it worked (Muzh, for example). Other times, it didn't.  A person should do what they view as best for their own personality, and what they are comfortable with.
 
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Re: Is pursuing an FSU wife for everyone?
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2020, 06:25:25 PM »
I only dated one girl at at a time in Ukraine (Kyiv, Odessa and Sevastopol...)

before I took a sabbatical in Kyiv in my late 30s (pic of me from Kyiv in 1996 and my first GF from Taras Shevchenko)
I had to deal with the hideously awful Silicon Valley dating “scene" I could ONLY date women at most 3-4 years younger than me, and half the women I dated there were older than me...
and they were all kinda plain or average lookin....

also, mental health issues were VERY common there, a lot of bi-polar and Obsessive Compulsives who have to take Zolloft
not fun having to deal with that, ALL THE TIME THERE!!!

in Ukraine, I could date College Freshman that looked like freakin super models....

given the choice, why wouldn’t I want to date super model looking college freshman 20 years younger than me vrs average American women 3-4 years younger or older?

hmmmmmm.....

if you find a sexual “Nirvana” why would you ever go back to your old world?

Nirvana, meant that in this Brave New World, just because of the fact that I am uniquely different looking and non-Russian in appearance, and behavior and highly “EXOTIC”...
and importantly, also considered to be attractive to the tastes of most young Russian women, meant that I NEVER ONCE had to look for women in Ukraine.....

because they ALWAYS approached me first....
like they were DRAWN to me by my appearance...

and 100% they were drawn to me over sex
and usually the first time we were alone together
they’d take their undies off and show me their “junk”

so I don’t know
does that make me a VM or VO


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« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2020, 09:46:20 PM »
Here the real Moby comes out.

You see Moby is more clever, more woke and more special than you are
and if you were a special snowflake like Moby and followed all of Moby's
horsesh!t then you would be able to select girls who already perfect so
you wouldn't have to waste any trips to meet imperfect girls.

Beel, no need to get bent outta shape.. I'm just pointing out what you've just realised was a good point..

That's not how I read the post.  I believe what he is disputing is your assertion that VM is the best way, or the only way.  It isn't, and it won't work for everyone.

To be fair, Boethius, I'm certainly stating that VM is not the best way.. I believe it is the worst way, for both partie and damages the rep for western guys who follow... 'the player'.. scenario. 

It is inefficient and more akin to a fairground 'duck shoot'

All this 'tosh' about 'backup plans' ..  You just shouldn't NEED one if you've done due diligence

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« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2020, 12:51:06 PM »
I agree with MOBerski....

for me. make a "connection" with a random woman you meet in Russia and see where it goes...
do you "click" da or nyet?
it's that simple

stunningly beautiful women of dream girl pin-up quality
are easily found in Russia
you'll meet them EVERY day...
about half the women I asked out agreed to go out with me...
but later I "wised-up" and just let the women approach me and I would be the "decider" instead of them...

it's a universally accepted practice among Russian women that if you don't have sex by the third date, the man will "move on"
so that pretty much guarantees you will have sex and not get strung along like the way American women will treat you...
Russian women don't do that kind of BS unless they're scammers, (which I can spot a mile off)








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« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2020, 02:21:11 PM »
That's not how I read the post.  I believe what he is disputing is your assertion that VM is the best way, or the only way.  It isn't, and it won't work for everyone.

No, my point is the opposite of that. I believe that each person should make
his own decision on how to go about it. It's Moby who believes that ONLY
visit one should be considered.

My only strong opinion is for visit one to have a backup plan.

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« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2020, 10:12:25 PM »
No, my point is the opposite of that. I believe that each person should make
his own decision on how to go about it. It's Moby who believes that ONLY
visit one should be considered.

My only strong opinion is for visit one to have a backup plan.

'Backup plan?'

WHAT do you mean by that, Beel?

A lady in the same city who knows you chose someone else to visit over her...

She will hope she is sloppy seconds?

A back up plan is a mugs game... IF you fail on a VO trip chances are you didn't do due dilligence..




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« Reply #49 on: July 26, 2020, 09:36:59 AM »
'Backup plan?'

WHAT do you mean by that, Beel?

A lady in the same city who knows you chose someone else to visit over her...

She will hope she is sloppy seconds?

A back up plan is a mugs game... IF you fail on a VO trip chances are you didn't do due dilligence..

I disagree that failing on a VO is because you didn't do due diligence, it can be one way of failing but at the end of the day it could just come down to no chemistry being there. As said before from what I have read FSW are more hardwired to still consider a guy even if no chemistry but chemistry is still a big factor and one that is likely better for a guy if there.

I think you have a point on backup plans though. An attractive looking guy like Bill can probably drum up another girl relatively easy, but for most average looking guys or less it's going to be harder and need more thought. Odds are an everyday looking guy is not going to be able to hold women in reserve in writing to a few beforehand or arrange a date with new girls while there. I've tried it and it's difficult to get the interest of girls to put in reserve or to write to girls while there to arrange a meet up - it can be done but normally takes several days if not longer. On a VO most of the girls I went out to meet it was a case of about 2-3 months of communication before meeting.
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