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« Reply #175 on: September 25, 2020, 10:45:56 PM »
Yes, because the founders/writers of the constitution wrote about what they
meant and why they wrote what they wrote. They put together a set of documents
called the federalist papers. These papers are available for regular people who
are not lefty's to read. The particular federalist paper that clarifies the constitution
on this is called Federalist #78

Hamilton didn't want a Bill of Rights either, but we got them.  The Federalist Papers remain a good insight into the minds of a few of the founders of our Constitution.  It is a great reference but remains a limited, and contextual.

Did the Constitution provide for term limits for the reelection of the Executive?  Considering a president could be elected over and over it was certainly envisioned that judges in the judicial branch, playing the role of arbiter balancing powers of the other branches, would need to be of longer duration.  But is that necessarily true today with two term presidents?

These were very bright men with a grand design, but they could not foresee all the possibilities the future could bring forth.  Thus they left it open, they understood the 'keep it simple stupid' principle.  Their work was based on the presupposition that government would generally be working for the good of all and not the few.  This is certainly not the case today.

That is exactly why Congress was given the power to decide how to implement and even change the judicial branch.  It is all part of this grand experiment with the Constitution providing the ballast that keeps our ship from capsizing.
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Re: Replacing RBG
« Reply #176 on: September 26, 2020, 11:11:29 AM »
Trump needs to 'stack' the Supreme Court before the election is decided to try and bolster his chances if he actually loses the election.  He'll fight tooth and nail as announced.


By stack I guess we mean ~pack~ Take a look at the real picture----

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« Reply #177 on: September 26, 2020, 11:28:10 AM »
Hamilton didn't want a Bill of Rights either, but we got them.  The Federalist Papers remain a good insight into the minds of a few of the founders of our Constitution.  It is a great reference but remains a limited, and contextual.

Let's back up and remember what you asked. You asked "Are you sure?" to which
I replied yes.

Liberals consider the Constitution as a living breathing document that they believe
changes and expands or contracts to fit their various desires. 

Conservatives believe in the genius of the founding fathers to build a limited government
and that the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are what makes our country great.

The Federalist Papers were the explanation of how everything was supposed
to work and the thinking behind the Constitution. The Federalist papers have
been sited in countless Supreme Court cases and decisions. If you want to
read somebody who didn't like them then you can read Justice Souter's
opinions on siting them.

Now the poor liberals wanting to shape and change things can't accept
the constitution because it doesn't let them do whatever they want and
the Federalist papers make it impossible to twist words around to get
that they want. The Framers didn't leave it open like you suggest,
they purposely made it very, very difficult to change the constitution.

Did the Constitution provide for term limits for the reelection of the Executive?

No it didn't, so what did they do? They passed an amendment to the constitution
limiting how many terms a president can have, just like they need to do if they
want to limit Judges. 

Hamilton didn't want a Bill of Rights either, but we got them.

James Madison was both one of the Authors of the Federalist papers and author of
the Bill of Rights (Jefferson inspired the Bill of Rights). Hamilton argued that the
bill of rights didn't need to be enumerated in the Constitution, the states disagreed
so they added them as amendments. Your point is irrelevant to whether justices
terms can be limited by congress without an amendment.

I think you are shotgunning here. Trying to throw a bunch of stuff against the wall
to see if any of it sticks. None of your arguments really addresses the fact that Judges
are appointed for life (with good behavior) and a constitutional amendment is the
only way to change that.

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Re: Replacing RBG
« Reply #178 on: September 26, 2020, 11:56:08 AM »
I think you are shotgunning here. Trying to throw a bunch of stuff against the wall
to see if any of it sticks. None of your arguments really addresses the fact that Judges
are appointed for life (with good behavior) and a constitutional amendment is the
only way to change that.

They would remain judges, just elsewhere.


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« Reply #179 on: September 26, 2020, 02:21:26 PM »
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« Reply #180 on: September 26, 2020, 02:29:02 PM »



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« Reply #181 on: September 26, 2020, 02:54:14 PM »
They would remain judges, just elsewhere.

Your statement while interesting doesn't change what the constitution says.

They tried this before with the Republican contract with America and legislative term
limits. It was slightly different because it was the States that enacted the laws and
the representative supposedly represented the people in those states but the
Supreme Court determined that States couldn't limit how many times a congressman
can run for reelection.

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« Reply #182 on: September 26, 2020, 03:12:00 PM »
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Re: Replacing RBG
« Reply #183 on: September 26, 2020, 04:35:54 PM »

The word on social media is Amy Coney Barrett may have adopted her two black kids from Haiti illegally and she should be investigated. We'll see if they use that as a stall tactic but if they can prove the kids were adopted illegally, will they make the judge give them up?
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Re: Replacing RBG
« Reply #184 on: September 27, 2020, 06:33:36 AM »
The word on social media is Amy Coney Barrett may have adopted her two black kids from Haiti illegally and she should be investigated. We'll see if they use that as a stall tactic but if they can prove the kids were adopted illegally, will they make the judge give them up?
Her positions on issues may not be that bad either from what I briefly read. 
  I don't think attacking the lady on the basis of personal life is the way to go.  She also has a child with down's syndrome.    None of this changes the fact that certain republican senators are hypocrites to be called out such as lindsay graham

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Re: Replacing RBG
« Reply #185 on: September 27, 2020, 07:52:18 AM »
News shows like to have on Senator John Neely Kennedy from Louisiana because of his colorful talk.

Today he said:  Those who don't think Schumer would do the same thing if he were in control as Mitch
is doing now . . .  'probably peaked in high school'.
Winston Churchill.  “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

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« Reply #186 on: September 27, 2020, 08:00:00 AM »
Her positions on issues may not be that bad either from what I briefly read. 
  I don't think attacking the lady on the basis of personal life is the way to go.  She also has a child with down's syndrome.    None of this changes the fact that certain republican senators are hypocrites to be called out such as lindsay graham

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The left has repeatedly proved especially in these last 4 years if nothing is there, they'll make it up and proclaim it to be the truth. You know, the old Gobbels line, "if you repeat the lie long enough it becomes the truth". The left is following the Nazi playbook to the tee. Nothing is out of bounds or off limits. I expect they parade a few men and women that claim she raped them in jr. high school

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Re: Replacing RBG
« Reply #187 on: September 27, 2020, 08:15:24 AM »
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Trump 'n Co. doesn't use the same tactic to a vastly greater extent?

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« Reply #188 on: September 27, 2020, 08:17:11 AM »
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Trump 'n Co. doesn't use the same tactic to a vastly greater extent?

Nope

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« Reply #189 on: September 27, 2020, 08:26:07 AM »
yeah right.  The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help us, Trump.

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« Reply #190 on: September 27, 2020, 08:33:26 AM »
yeah right.  The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help us, Trump.

Please do give examples?

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« Reply #191 on: September 27, 2020, 09:29:20 AM »

Trump 'n Co. doesn't use the same tactic to a vastly greater extent?

The key word is "repeated."  Many of Trump's misrepresentations are optimistic embellishments, maybe careless talk, and yet quickly forgotten by normal people.     

Contrast the significance if not depravity of one vs. another.

Specious charges repeated by the left for four years:   

    -  Trump is a racist. 
    -  Trump lost the election. 
    -  Trump colluded with Russia. 
    -  Trump is destroying democracy.
    -  Trump is another Hitler.

Questionable charges repeated by the left not for four years , but 6 months:

    -  Trump is killing hundreds of thousands of Americans



Questionable charges repeated by the right:   

    -  Democrats are socialists  (not for four years , but for 24 months after Bernie, AOC, et al grew in number and influence)
    -  Democrats want the black  minority to be dependent upon the Federal government (I say it is an unintended consequence of Democrat policies, not the Democrats' objective)
    -  Biden is mentally unfit to be President


Debatable charges repeated by the right for four years: 

    -  China  represents an existential threat to our prosperity.
    -  Iran is a security threat to peace in the Middle East

BC, I am sure you will have other examples.  Please begin with just the most significant.  In other words, don't mention the inaugural parade.   
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« Reply #192 on: September 27, 2020, 11:31:43 AM »
The word on social media is Amy Coney Barrett may have adopted her two black kids from Haiti illegally and she should be investigated.

She adopted them because she was racist

Watch the Demmies now claim that she can't be a Supreme
because she has kids at home.
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« Reply #193 on: September 27, 2020, 11:35:57 AM »
Democrats don't know what to do.

It's my belief they will fight everything, tell their base that Amy Coney Barrett
is the devil and will force women to have abortions in back alleys with coat
hangers.

The Dem's will protest and burn stuff.

Here is an article that lays out the various strategies the Dem's are weighing.

Democrats debate whether to engage - or withdraw - in Supreme Court fight
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Democrats-debate-whether-to-engage-or-withdraw-15599222.php
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Re: Replacing RBG
« Reply #194 on: September 27, 2020, 01:19:33 PM »

My wife is thrilled with Trump's SC nominee. The most important thing right now for my wife is unborn babies lives matter.

Here's a photo of Trump sitting with the Judge and her family in the Oval office yesterday. I hope he told her kids that although their mom has been thoroughly vetted every time she got a new appointment that promoted her, be ready for the Democrats to put on a show in front of the cameras as if she's never been vetted and now accusing her of committing worse acts than the criminals she put behind bars.
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« Reply #195 on: September 27, 2020, 01:57:38 PM »
She adopted them because she was racist

Watch the Demmies now claim that she can't be a Supreme
because she has kids at home.

Democrats don't know what to do.

It's my belief they will fight everything, tell their base that Amy Coney Barrett
is the devil and will force women to have abortions in back alleys with coat
hangers.

The Dem's will protest and burn stuff.

Here is an article that lays out the various strategies the Dem's are weighing.

Democrats debate whether to engage - or withdraw - in Supreme Court fight
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Democrats-debate-whether-to-engage-or-withdraw-15599222.php
It is always a bit amusing to read the Tourette's syndrome like phony characterizations staunch conservative like yourself makes.   
I'd say the democrats should grill her necessarily on issues they may have a problem with, like they would any other candidate.  There likely is no reason to go personal with her in particular.    The act of certain republican senators is where the issue of hypocrisy lies, not with this particular lady.    Her addition will likely lean the supreme court more conservative for now, but that isn't the end of the world.  The democrats should do what they can procedurally and when they can later take further steps as necessary. 

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Re: Replacing RBG
« Reply #196 on: September 27, 2020, 02:18:48 PM »
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Joe Biden and Kamala Harris 'Strongly Oppose' Donald Trump's Supreme Court Nominee Amy Coney Barrett
Gee ...what a surprise
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Joe Biden and Sen. Kamala Harris do not support President Donald Trump's Supreme Court nominee, federal judge Amy Coney Barrett.
   Both Biden and Harris released statements on Saturday, voicing their opposition and urging Congress to postpone any decisions on the seat until after the election.
   "Trump's hand-picked successor to Justice Ginsburg's seat makes it clear: they intend to destroy the Affordable Care Act & overturn Roe. This selection would move the court further right for a generation & harm millions of Americans," Harris, 55, tweeted. "I strongly oppose Judge Barrett's nomination."
   Biden, 77, echoed Harris' remarks. "Today, President Trump has nominated Judge Amy Coney Barrett as the successor to Justice Ginsburg’s seat. She has a written track record of disagreeing with the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision upholding the Affordable Care Act. She critiqued Chief Justice John Roberts’ majority opinion upholding the law in 2012," he said in a statement.
http://people.com/politics/joe-biden-kamala-harris-strongly-oppose-trump-supreme-court-nominee-amy-coney-barrett/
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« Reply #197 on: September 27, 2020, 05:59:57 PM »

Bad news for Democrats.

Democrats on the Judiciary Committee have “no procedural silver bullet” to stop Ms Barrett’s nomination from proceeding to the Senate floor before election day, minority whip Richard Durbin has said.

The No 2 Senate Democrat, who also sits on the Judiciary panel, told ABC News’s George Stephanopoulos on Sunday that his party could "slow it down perhaps a matter of hours, maybe days at the most - but we can’t stop the outcome”.


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Re: Replacing RBG
« Reply #198 on: September 27, 2020, 06:59:55 PM »
FP

Trump 'n Co. doesn't use the same tactic to a vastly greater extent?

Violent protests? Shouting down those they agree with? Attacking people leaving
the convention?

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Re: Replacing RBG
« Reply #199 on: September 27, 2020, 08:27:21 PM »
Violent protests? Shouting down those they agree with? Attacking people leaving
the convention?

Rioting, murder, destruction of property, civil unrest

 

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