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Another gmail account
« on: October 14, 2020, 03:51:36 PM »
So I'm writing to this woman but I don't see our gmail email conversations from her end.  When she writes back I never see a reply and the body of my email that I sent to her.  Is this a tell tale sign of a fake?

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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2020, 04:04:10 PM »
I understand nothing in the wording as you wrote.

If you would explain the situation quite a bit more clearly, perhaps you can get some help here.

e.g. how can you see what she wrote to you if "I never see a reply."?

And how do you expect to 'see gmail from her end' if you do not have password to access her email account?
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2020, 04:12:17 PM »
So I'm writing to this woman but I don't see our gmail email conversations from her end.  When she writes back I never see a reply and the body of my email that I sent to her.  Is this a tell tale sign of a fake?

It could be either way. I would call her on the phone and/or move to Skype or
some messenger.

Some people just hit reply. Others like everything to be neat. Maybe she prints them
out and saves them? Or maybe she just send out her emails in a huge batch. Once
you get a girl to respond to you, take it to the next step

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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2020, 04:17:16 PM »
I understand nothing in the wording as you wrote.

If you would explain the situation quite a bit more clearly, perhaps you can get some help here.

e.g. how can you see what she wrote to you if "I never see a reply."?

And how do you expect to 'see gmail from her end' if you do not have password to access her email account?

Look at this post, I quoted you and have your entire post above me.
If you each person hit's reply to an email everyone will see the entire
email chain until somebody starts a new email.



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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2020, 04:56:39 PM »



She may be the type of person that doesn't reply to emails but composes a new email each time she wants to send one. Doesn't mean she's a fake. Just means she doesn't know how to use the reply button.


Now if she is replying to an email chain and her older emails are the only ones visible and cameraguy's emails are deleted, then that would mean she doesn't care about cameraguy's emails leaving only hers for reference so she can remember what she sent in the past so she doesn't send the same canned email again. I would be suspicious of her if that happened.
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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2020, 01:12:14 AM »
If this is your only doubt, I wouldn't be concerned about it. 

It could be as simple as:

She receives your email, views it in one window while composing in a new email.  This would allow her to see both at the same time and use translation programs if necessary.

Or she could be using an external email client for that Gmail account that is not set to reply with your emails quoted.

In a long back and forth exchange (as yours should be) it gets to be a hassle if all prior replies are always included.  You may have noticed this in your own gmail account.  To find an older message you have to scroll forever sometimes.

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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2020, 03:01:05 AM »
Hi cameraguymn,

In isolation it's not enough to be a 'red' flag for the reasons given above.

It could be down to how she reads your letters and understands them using a translator...   Sure... it could be someone else is 'helping' her.

As others have advised.. Most women don't want a keyboard romeo and want to see the person they might be interested in.

Good luck and there are no daft questions..


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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2020, 11:34:24 AM »
Thanks 2tallbill for interpreting and translating what I meant. I don't see the email chain in her emails. I'm a little bit surprised by the responses since this group is pretty pessimistic because many of you all have seen that and done that.

I'm going to keep communicating but three other correspondences I've had where their emails don't show the email conversation/chain eventually led to them asking for money.

With covid happening it is going to be difficult to ascertain someone who may genuinely need some help and someone who has always had plans of asking for money.

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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2020, 12:11:53 PM »

With covid happening it is going to be difficult to ascertain someone who may genuinely need some help and someone who has always had plans of asking for money.

No it's really not. Until you've met them and truly know them do not send them money. Full stop. Do not send them money. Any respectable woman would not ask you for money even after you've met them. You're not an ATM. They've lived their entire life without a dime from you. They can continue to do so. After you have met, are dating and in a relationship, you can look and assess where and with what you might wish to help. Then, do so, without much discussion and zero fanfare

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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2020, 12:51:34 PM »
I'm going to keep communicating but three other correspondences I've had where their emails don't show the email conversation/chain eventually led to them asking for money.



When I was single, I was busy dating at home and communicated with dozens of women overseas through email, messaging systems, and phone at any given time. I was very busy and not worried about anybody was setting me up for a money request. You have too much time on your hands to think about all this. You need to get busy. By being busy you will increase your chances to communicate with real sincere women who will not be trying to scam you. You will quickly dismiss any girl that has problems in life that's solved with money if you have 12 other women you're talking to that doesn't need your money.
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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2020, 01:18:09 PM »
This is a real western disease, to help "poors".
So when it's online and even on the field that becomes  a SCAM
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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2020, 01:19:14 PM »
I understand nothing in the wording as you wrote.

If you would explain the situation quite a bit more clearly, perhaps you can get some help here.

e.g. how can you see what she wrote to you if "I never see a reply."?

And how do you expect to 'see gmail from her end' if you do not have password to access her email account?

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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2020, 02:58:42 PM »
In a long back and forth exchange (as yours should be) it gets to be a hassle if all prior replies are always included.  You may have noticed this in your own gmail account.  To find an older message you have to scroll forever sometimes.

There is an added benefit of having exchanged 47 different emails when it comes
time to prove you have a relationship for USCIS. If in email 24 you discussed
playing patty cake, patty cake, bakers man on her popka and in email number
39 you exchanged underwear photos then you can eliminate those emails from
what you submit and nothing looks edited.

If she replies to an old email that didn't have numbers 24 and 39 removed then
some perpetually offended official at USCIS has reason to pound down that nail
which stands up above the rest.

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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2020, 03:13:54 PM »
but three other correspondences I've had where their emails don't show the email conversation/chain eventually led to them asking for money.

Keep us posted, but get her on the phone. The email solicitation scams make
money by churning out lots and lots of emails. They rarely have time to talk
on the phone or on Skype with you, especially if their name is Hairy Boris or
is 80 years old.

A good girl who has genuine interest in you will want to talk to you, see your
face and hear your voice. If they don't then you dump them*. 


* First I tell them I want them to see me to make sure I don't fly all the way
to the FSU to have them run away screaming in the airport or that I've recently
escaped from the wild monkey exhibit and want their opinion on how I look shaved.

If those theories don't change their minds, I say
"Ok, I am going to pursue someone else, I wish you success, romance, good
health, luck AND lot's and lot's of happiness!" 

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When they are dumped, they stay dumped and I don't reengage with them.
They are like milk one month past the due date. You certainly don't open it,
you don't smell it, or read the label or anything else. You get rid of it and
move away from it as soon as possible.

 
« Last Edit: October 16, 2020, 03:18:23 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2020, 03:21:45 PM »
A good girl who has genuine interest in you will want to talk to you, see your
face and hear your voice. If they don't then you dump them*. 

* First I tell them I want them to see me to make sure I don't fly all the way
to the FSU to have them run away screaming in the airport or that I've recently
escaped from the wild monkey exhibit and want their opinion on how I look shaved.

If those theories don't change their minds, I say
"Ok, I am going to pursue someone else, I wish you success, romance, good
health, luck AND lot's and lot's of happiness!" 

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When they are dumped, they stay dumped and I don't reengage with them.
They are like milk one month past the due date. You certainly don't open it,
you don't smell it, or read the label or anything else. You get rid of it and
move away from it as soon as possible.
FSUW are not for entry level daters
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There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2020, 04:42:07 PM »
Look at this post, I quoted you and have your entire post above me.
If you each person hit's reply to an email everyone will see the entire
email chain until somebody starts a new email.

Big Bill, I don't understand some of your posting above either.

However, your 'reply to email' works different from mine.

When I hit reply button to incoming email, it asks me if I want to include the text of the incoming or not.
Quite frequently I chose the 'not' just to save space in the global system.  Yes, I am a good guy.
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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2020, 11:21:28 PM »
Generally chatting via email is one big red flag, unless she’s already given me her whatsapp, Skype etc... details first. The only “women” I’ve chatted with exclusively  via email have been scammers.

In my experience most FSU women under 50 use messaging apps over email when chatting with a guy she like. Probably lots over 50 do too.

Usually 4 simple questions will tell me if she’s likely to be a basic scammer.....

What site I met her on?

How you communicate together? (Email or app)

How she writes her messages?

Does want to chat via video call regularly?

and is she wanting to video chat after the first week of meeting online?


If I met a woman on a free site or monthly subscription who wants to chat via email, has long winded messages full of expressions of affection, yet has every excuse under the sun why she can’t video chat, then she’s likely to be an airfare scammer.
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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2020, 11:49:48 PM »
No it's really not. Until you've met them and truly know them do not send them money. Full stop. Do not send them money. Any respectable woman would not ask you for money even after you've met them. You're not an ATM. They've lived their entire life without a dime from you. They can continue to do so. After you have met, are dating and in a relationship, you can look and assess where and with what you might wish to help. Then, do so, without much discussion and zero fanfare

FP, there are 'grammatical exceptions' to your 'full-stop'...

1/ I paid for RU wife #1 to fly to ME, as Siberia was cold and I still had beach weather and some work engagements on the Mediterranean island of Cyprus, where I then lived.  I could fit her around my meetings. She didn't ask, I offered. Strictly speaking, no money was sent.. I bought a airline ticket, and sent her some 'small change' to pay for a taxi to the airport and a meal during a longish layover in Moscow.

2/ I paid for a Samsung tablet to be 'repatriated' from Egypt to me, in the UK, after SC had left it during a holiday ( vacation) . It had our earliest chats on it. ..We hadn't met, yet. ( I didn't pay for the holiday!) and brought it with me during our first meeting.

3/ I've paid for taxis to bring a lady to meet me - again - not exactly sending money, but putting some faith into them turning up.

I totally agree that SUPPORTING a lady before meeting is madness, but paying expenses to make a meeting happen can be the exception.... the airline ticket was non refundable ;)

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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2020, 05:59:34 AM »
FP, there are 'grammatical exceptions' to your 'full-stop'...

1/ I paid for RU wife #1 to fly to ME, as Siberia was cold and I still had beach weather and some work engagements on the Mediterranean island of Cyprus, where I then lived.  I could fit her around my meetings. She didn't ask, I offered. Strictly speaking, no money was sent.. I bought a airline ticket, and sent her some 'small change' to pay for a taxi to the airport and a meal during a longish layover in Moscow.

2/ I paid for a Samsung tablet to be 'repatriated' from Egypt to me, in the UK, after SC had left it during a holiday ( vacation) . It had our earliest chats on it. ..We hadn't met, yet. ( I didn't pay for the holiday!) and brought it with me during our first meeting.

3/ I've paid for taxis to bring a lady to meet me - again - not exactly sending money, but putting some faith into them turning up.

I totally agree that SUPPORTING a lady before meeting is madness, but paying expenses to make a meeting happen can be the exception.... the airline ticket was non refundable ;)

Moobs you're always the exception. I stand behind my statement. Sending money before you know them is always a double edged sword. We've had and seen hundreds of examples on this forum. Any self respecting woman worth her salt and worth exploring a relationship with, would never ask.  Then there's the other side, those chaps like you that think "it's the right thing to do". As gallant as that may be, if they are not already a scammer you teach them to be. That's not good footing to the start of a relationship. I'll admit, early on I thought I should send it to. That was from the POV for me that she might have to struggle to meet me. She did struggle to meet me but she did it.

It's not about the money or the amount of money. It is about respect. Her to him and him to her. There's more scammers fishing for a guy's money than there are earnest wonderful women looking for a good man. Why risk it?

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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2020, 12:46:27 PM »
Then there's the other side, those chaps like you that think "it's the right thing to do". As gallant as that may be, if they are not already a scammer you teach them to be.



I'm certain I'm not the 'exception' you suggest, FP ...  Neither wife was/ is high maintenance ..  unless one thinks finding 'bird seed' is too arduous.

One just instinctively knows when to trust and move the relationship to the next level, rather than get scammed, perhaps?

 

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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2020, 01:03:38 PM »


I'm certain I'm not the 'exception' you suggest, FP ...  Neither wife was/ is high maintenance ..  unless one thinks finding 'bird seed' is too arduous.

One just instinctively knows when to trust and move the relationship to the next level, rather than get scammed, perhaps?

For some reason, many to most newbies can't seem to grasp that concept "instinctively". The single best way to not get scammed is to not send money. I never sent any money to my wife before we met, she never asked and she probably needed some. Not because I'm a tighwad it was because I didn't know her and I've never been accustom to sending money to folks I do not know  ;D

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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2020, 01:10:02 PM »
FP, I gave you my 'exceptional' examples and 14 years on my first ex-RU wife scammed me out of £3.40 for a goat's cheese and caramelised onion tart, today ...

When will I ever 'learn' .. ?










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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2020, 02:22:13 PM »
Some good discussion there.

In this age of covid - I think the sending money issue does become a little blurred. Depending on your own level of comfort and trust and specific connection with the relationship maybe these conditions call for a re-examination of no sending funds before meeting. For example if you've communicated regularly for 8 months in 2020 and for half that time she has said described her life, her work and halfway through the communications she has lost her job. I think if you like her, have spoken to her and she has not overtly asked for help but has described her situation where she's been without income for several months and we know businesses are down - maybe you could help contribute to some of her expenses to a the tune of a few hundred dollars? Thoughts?

I met her through Fdate though her profile disappeared after we started to email. Her emails always has a picture. (makes me pause) She usually answers my previous email questions. Her English is exceptionally good with deeper conversation regarding politics and current events. She's pretty probably not as pretty as what I am used to honestly. That statement sounded extremely superficial and pompous but...she asked for my number but didn't share her. I'm going to ask again.

Not sure this was ML or Billy's statement about worrying too much about scams...

A year and half ago I was only keen to the most obvious of scams but through education from this forum and the other one - I am amazed by new levels of scammication. I've been to Russia and Ukraine and 30 different countries (10 years ago) so I thought myself a bit more aware than your average American Joe. I was totally wrong. I was slowly catfished for 3 months last year and it took me a long time to fully realize it - thanks to some good advice here. 

Ten or fifteen years ago when I was in my early 20's it was not difficult to meet extremely beautiful and intelligent women from Russian and Ukraine and they would be attracted to you. Now most of the ones that strike up communications are pretty average looking women (28-38). The prettier ones are mostly scammers or are so boring it is not worth continuing the communication. I have finally gotten over those old expectations and am willing to meet anyone that can connect well with me.

I am usually communicating with 2-3 women regularly at a time and was planning a trip this summer but of course corona happened. One woman I know is for real but she's stopped communicating for two weeks now. Another 2 are still at the beginning stage of communication and it is really just friendly banter right now. I find russ personals the best in terms of response.




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Re: Another gmail account
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2020, 03:21:14 AM »
Responses depend on the lady, if genuine, not the site, surely?

If I was chatting to more than one lady and sending money, then I could hardly complain if she was chatting to more than one guy and receiving monies from more than one of 'em...

I would KNOW that lady's habits and videochatting, numerous times daily....


 

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