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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2020, 02:30:01 PM »
I think you would benefit from watching and listening to Jordan Peterson. I found him later in life , but a lot of what he says is lessons I learnt along the way . His approach to life is something you need , and when you listen to him , do as he says , don't listen to yourself . Obviously what you are doing now doesn't work , you are digging yourself into a hole , you won't be a multimillionaire when adding an extra room to your house , you will run through problems when renting , these are all facts you need to accept. The only skill you have is learn how to teach English , now go and just do it , work for dirt cheap, book yourself out for 8 hoursa a day , 7 days a week ,=and get yourself in the FSU . If you charge £15 an hour , working 50 hours a week around , would get you around £3000 a month , some extra money with your investment, done . You are now a BIG BOY  in fsu . But question is if you really want it , or you are just going to play games

Reminds me of the lyrics to the Pet Shop Boys song 'Opportunities'.

That money would make me a big boy in the FSU and it's undoubtedly guys that bring in the money and are seen to work hard that is a draw for FSW. On the other hand being seen to be able to swan around but still live well could draw interest in the FSU also.

For me, if I have a plan and I believe in it I stick to it till completion. For me £3000 (minus tax) a month won't make me a millionaire either. While it will bring in good money probably at some point there is a big change of pace here that would likely be counterproductive to shift too at the moment. At the moment I'm content with the current plan I'm on. The teaching English as a foreign language could collapse overnight - too many people getting involved in it, shift back to classroom learning if a vaccine works, etc, etc. Right now having a stable job going for me I would rather go with until I've got something better sorted.

Jordan Peterson I have looked at in You Tube. Some of his stuff is good and some we have discussed like people being deceitful to try and keep the person inside rather than tell them what they should be hearing. I don't buy all of what he is saying though, I think like a lot of psychologists he falls into the trap of theorising too much and that theorising can often be his own take on reality. Probably better off to tune into my theories ;D
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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2020, 05:30:20 PM »
Anyway, back to my original question, do members here think that some FSU would be up to doing a deal?
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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2020, 06:14:15 PM »
Anyway, back to my original question, do members here think that some FSU would be up to doing a deal?

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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2020, 06:17:50 PM »
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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2020, 06:28:25 PM »
Anyway, back to my original question, do members here think that some FSU would be up to doing a deal?



There are some FSU women that will do deals. Make a proposal. Whether the deal lasts 5 years or 5 minutes depends on how much you can offer.
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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2020, 06:29:05 PM »
Anyway, back to my original question, do members here think that some FSU would be up to doing a deal?

FSU women don't want a 'deal' they want a man they can love and be happy with.  It's that simple. If you can't do this the legit way then stay home.
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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2020, 02:46:25 AM »
Without trench , myself , is there actually many others posting regarding Russian women? I mean , trench is asking a question, a question maybe many men have thought about , when they struggle with getting what they want in FSU .

Trench, my experience is that I told all FSU women I met I would not marry them (legally) , unless I had a kid with them , all accepted it. My fiance and I were planning to have a kid once I moved to Moscow , which worried her family as she was too young , but she really wanted it also (reading a lot of books , later her mother told me the same thing regarding the books) . But it wasn't for a while till she truly trusted me as a person, I think they need trust and want to spend your life with you , a kid is a big commitment.

Despite what most thing , no woman is going to have a kid , just for a visa (actually most of the women I been with , fiance included wanted me to stay in FSU. my fiance was scared of the western mentality , social justice warriors etc.

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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2020, 04:25:43 AM »
Without trench , myself , is there actually many others posting regarding Russian women?

Good question. Many that have stuck around have been married quite some time, but questions from new members about this venture are few and far between.  Interest dwindled a while back, long before the virus crisis.  IIRÇ FSU meeting agencies were on a long downhill slide as well.

I believe the abundance of apps like tinder, Facebook, Vk, etc makes it easier to meet a woman down the street.   Or maybe the abundance of free porn keeps folks otherwise 'busy'.

A brave new world for the youngins.  Many in the group of those still interested may have simply 'aged out'.  Interest in marriage has dwindled as well, in favor of dating and other long or shorter-term relationships.

I like your 'just go and do it' approach.  After all, getting off the couch and on a plane was always 90% of the challenge ;)

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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2020, 09:29:31 AM »
I like your 'just go and do it' approach.  After all, getting off the couch and on a plane was always 90% of the challenge ;)

I have taken a lot of risks, one of them was coming to FSU when my business was just starting to grow, but i believed if i put myself in a good environment (surrounded by beautiful women in FSU), my desire to not let it slip through my hands, would encourage me to work harder. I really learnt a lot being in the FSU for last 7 months, but i have taken trips over the years. FSU for me has been a big part of my development as a person, that is why i encourage anyone thinking about venturing here, to do it, you may not find the love of your life, but you will have experiences that you would cherish for the rest of your life, and it will change you to become a better person (hopefully).

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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2020, 01:07:51 PM »

There are some FSU women that will do deals. Make a proposal. Whether the deal lasts 5 years or 5 minutes depends on how much you can offer.

Think your answer on this is pretty good Billy. Yeah I doubt it would last or go well particularly once in the West. I think it may hold up better in the FSU but there are likely fewer better alternatives for the woman out there. This country though she would see what else is around and walk.
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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2020, 01:18:22 PM »
Without trench , myself , is there actually many others posting regarding Russian women? I mean , trench is asking a question, a question maybe many men have thought about , when they struggle with getting what they want in FSU .

Trench, my experience is that I told all FSU women I met I would not marry them (legally) , unless I had a kid with them , all accepted it. My fiance and I were planning to have a kid once I moved to Moscow , which worried her family as she was too young , but she really wanted it also (reading a lot of books , later her mother told me the same thing regarding the books) . But it wasn't for a while till she truly trusted me as a person, I think they need trust and want to spend your life with you , a kid is a big commitment.

Despite what most thing , no woman is going to have a kid , just for a visa (actually most of the women I been with , fiance included wanted me to stay in FSU. my fiance was scared of the western mentality , social justice warriors etc.

Yeah think your fiance was right to be scared of western culture, it ruins relationships for both men and women even if the women thinks she has won/got the better of the man.

I think you are being clever in asking the girl to have a kid first/alongside marriage. It's a pretty shrewd move as unless the girl is genuinely committed to the guy she ain't likely to do it. It also shows both sides are committed and not just talking a load of bs.

Striking a deal even if it's not if such absolute terms as being the sole and only basis of a relationship is something to be careful about I think. The famous case of a guy striking a deal with a woman and it not ending well is of course the Indel King case as shown on 'Web of Lies, episode 7' on Amazon Prime. That guy did what I was proposing but muffed it up. He should have insisted on her getting pregnant before she came to the US. Can't believe he sent a pretty girl like that to college from the get go, that was just asking for trouble, surprised some young college dude didn't hook up with her, lol.
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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2020, 01:48:14 PM »
I think you are being clever in asking the girl to have a kid first/alongside marriage. It's a pretty shrewd move as unless the girl is genuinely committed to the guy she ain't likely to do it. It also shows both sides are committed and not just talking a load of bs.

The words of men who have never raised a child, nor know what is involved.

I happen to know of at least two FSUW here who had children once they arrived in Canada, just to secure maintenance (in Canada at the time, once the woman landed here, she was resident, and could not be deported, even if the marriage was fraudulent on her part).  In each case, once the child was born, the man was discarded.  In both cases, the FSUW were shocked that the men, by law, had equal rights to child access.  There is also at least one former poster here whose Ukrainian wife took their child to Ukraine and refused to return.  If she moved to Russia, the husband's ability to access the child would be non existent.  There are many other posters here through the years who had children with FSUW, in a number of cases, more than one child, yet still divorced.  There's your "commitment" Trench.

Refusing to marry before a child is born is just plain stupid.  Bringing a child into a relationship to assuage your own insecurities is even stupider.  You should really know a person well before committing to having children.  It's also no guarantee of anything, and children add stresses to a marriage.

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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2020, 02:11:32 PM »

I think you are being clever in asking the girl to have a kid first/alongside marriage. It's a pretty shrewd move as unless the girl is genuinely committed to the guy she ain't likely to do it. It also shows both sides are committed and not just talking a load of bs.

A lot of people are a bit confused, they think current FSU is still soviet FSU. Different era , i will explain. I was roasted by one woman on tinder who called me poor, because i didn't have an IPhone X, a lot of people now have Iphones, they are not as broke as they used to be. I gave my ex fiancé around $1000, savings towards our wedding , stuff so she can spend it, she didn't spend any, she used her mothers money, my ex fiance also had her own apartment gifted to her (Worth maybe $70k), when graduated, she would make a decent salary in Moscow.

People are not that hungry, does money matter? Of course, but it is different from the days where a 20 year old beauty, goes with Bob, where Bob has a $700k medium sized house in America, makes a decent salary. If you want to pull off the same stunt, you need to have a lot more money (i actually know one lady who married few years back), she is maybe 30ish, her husband is maybe 50, but multimillionaire, big house, lambo, has it all. So yes, if you want a decent looking 30 year old, might need more than just a decent salary.

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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2020, 02:13:41 PM »
Yeah think your fiance was right to be scared of western culture, it ruins relationships for both men and women even if the women thinks she has won/got the better of the man.


We both agree on certain things, transgender rights, LGBTQ, women rights, but the west is different, now it is way beyond that, identity politics. Hate all white men etc, just stupid stuff, communism on the rise, lazy people.

I wanted us to live in the West, or FSU, i didn't mind, but in the end she hated the West, she saw my facebook, and then said she didn't know if she wanted to live there, as our kids would probably be brainwashed.

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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2020, 02:29:48 PM »
Ok so I've been thinking a fair bit about this of recent. I know my chances of getting and keeping a girl in the 8-10 looks category are remote, more so the younger she is. Even if I become more wealthy, which may come, I think I would struggle. However, what if I were to strike a deal with a girl (FSW) in the 8-10 looks category.

Let's say I want children by her, now ordinarily a twenty something 8-10 looks girl would probably not be that interested in me or will mess me around. What if though she agrees to marry and gets pregnant by me in Ukraine, we then move to the UK and she gets to not have to work, but instead looks after the kids and I provide for her the fancy clothing she likes, entertainment, holidays abroad, nicer place to live, etc. What are the chances a Ukrainian woman would be agreeable to that?

Thinking here on the basis that a lot of Ukrainian women that go after foreign guys probably have the guy being able to provide as their main requirement. While actually being into him as a box that could either be ticked or not. To my mind I'm thinking that if both parties are upfront enough then it gets to what both sides want without the pretense. She feels positive as she is getting out of Ukraine to a nicer place, being provided for, not having to work, living in better accommodation and gets nice clothes and holidays abroad. How she actually feels for me may vary of course in all of this but it essentially fulfills the set up that many of these FSW go for of what she wants being fulfilled.

Did you win the lottery? Otherwise on the salary you have mentioned you're dreaming.
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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2020, 02:38:58 PM »
It is sickening to read the above.

You reduce a woman and a possible relationship to a transactional deal. You are not trading pork futures but attempting to build a common future with possible children.

It would be best you get your jollies from the phone booth and move on.


I can find some jollies in a phone booth?
Just exactly how does that work?
There are very few of those left anywhere and they no longer work either.
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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2020, 02:51:06 PM »
Speaking of having a kid. I suggest you guys get a high-strung dog like a German Shepherd. Get it as a puppy at 8 weeks. The next few years you are in for a ride. If you can handle a GSD for 4 or 5 years then think about having a human.
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« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2020, 03:12:56 PM »
A lot of people are a bit confused, they think current FSU is still soviet FSU. Different era , i will explain. I was roasted by one woman on tinder who called me poor, because i didn't have an IPhone X, a lot of people now have Iphones, they are not as broke as they used to be. I gave my ex fiancé around $1000, savings towards our wedding , stuff so she can spend it, she didn't spend any, she used her mothers money, my ex fiance also had her own apartment gifted to her (Worth maybe $70k), when graduated, she would make a decent salary in Moscow.

People are not that hungry, does money matter? Of course, but it is different from the days where a 20 year old beauty, goes with Bob, where Bob has a $700k medium sized house in America, makes a decent salary. If you want to pull off the same stunt, you need to have a lot more money (i actually know one lady who married few years back), she is maybe 30ish, her husband is maybe 50, but multimillionaire, big house, lambo, has it all. So yes, if you want a decent looking 30 year old, might need more than just a decent salary.

Nobody is suggesting the current situation is exactly as it was in Soviet times.  However, the past makes us who we are, and the woman's attitude re your "poverty" is very much a Soviet attitude.

If you go to Western Ukraine, you will see babas gathering driftwood near the rivers.  They can't afford heating costs. so they heat their homes with driftwood.  Whole villages in Western Ukraine have no electricity - cut by suppliers, as they don't have the money to pay for electricity.  A lot of those women also need painkillers such as Advil or Tylenol.  They go to a pharmacy and buy 1 or 2 pills, as that is all they can afford.  And you're discussing "wealth"??

I know a UW here who married a Canadian.  Her children and grandchildren have the latest phones, tablets, and clothing, because she sends them these things from here, or they send her a link with what they want, and she buys it online for them.   Her granddaughter certainly couldn't afford it on the last salary offer she received at a shoe store - US$1 per day.  Sending money, or goods back to relatives is extremely common in Ukraine.  Zarobitchane, or workers abroad, at any given time, comprise 25% of Ukraine's economically active workforce.  They work legally in some countries, illegally in others.  All are sending money "home".  PPP in Ukraine is below that of such economic powerhouses as Albania, Armenia, Moldova, and Botswana.  I am not suggesting that all Ukrainians are poor, and PPP doesn't take into account the grey economy.  However, to suggest the country is not struggling is absolutely inaccurate, despite a growing middle class.  If things were as rosy as you suggest, people wouldn't be working abroad.  You also have to take into account that, as a Westerner, the people you are exposed to are not those at the bottom rungs of society.  You probably aren't hanging out with babas on fixed incomes, or people with no education, or people with no English language skills.  You aren't routinely learning about the country from waitresses or agrarian workers.


I don't even want to get into criminality.  Did you know, for example, that Kyiv is divided into sectors by criminal gangs, who control activity (shakedowns, drugs, as examples) in their sphere of control?

As for Bob, it isn't the economy that made a difference.  There are many factors.  First, there is more knowledge about the West, and many women don't desire a future in the West.  Second, educated Ukrainians have the ability to move abroad on their own.  If they have Polish, Hungarian, Czech, or Romanian ancestry (very common in Western Ukraine), they can get passports from those countries, giving them instant access to the EU.  Germany passed legislation right before COVID that opened access for skilled workers from Ukraine.  If Ukrainians are educated, there are many paths to work in the West, either temporarily or permanently.  70,000 Ukrainians emigrate of their own accord to Canada annually.  I assume that number is higher for Ukrainians to the US.  So, if Svetlana really wants to move to the West and is intelligent, she can do so without Bob.

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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2020, 03:19:31 PM »
Speaking of having a kid. I suggest you guys get a high-strung dog like a German Shepherd. Get it as a puppy at 8 weeks. The next few years you are in for a ride. If you can handle a GSD for 4 or 5 years then think about having a human.

HAHA.  Yeah, well, in most cases, a child is toilet trained by 2 or 3, and can speak, and has their own ideas of how things should be "run" in the house by age 3 or 4.

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« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2020, 03:28:26 PM »
The words of men who have never raised a child, nor know what is involved.

I happen to know of at least two FSUW here who had children once they arrived in Canada, just to secure maintenance (in Canada at the time, once the woman landed here, she was resident, and could not be deported, even if the marriage was fraudulent on her part).  In each case, once the child was born, the man was discarded.  In both cases, the FSUW were shocked that the men, by law, had equal rights to child access.  There is also at least one former poster here whose Ukrainian wife took their child to Ukraine and refused to return.  If she moved to Russia, the husband's ability to access the child would be non existent.  There are many other posters here through the years who had children with FSUW, in a number of cases, more than one child, yet still divorced.  There's your "commitment" Trench.

Refusing to marry before a child is born is just plain stupid.  Bringing a child into a relationship to assuage your own insecurities is even stupider.  You should really know a person well before committing to having children.  It's also no guarantee of anything, and children add stresses to a marriage.

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You make some good points Boe, the UK is a little different from Canada in that it's only equal access on the outset, if the female takes it family court then she gets full custody and a property (if one is owned) plus child maintenance payments. Even then any access the man may be granted she may later deny to or frustrate it. There's little the courts can do on that. So that would be even worse. The man would be even worse in the scenario Japs proposed to with his ex. So it would have to be a case of the man staying in the FSU where divorce/family rights for the man are stronger. For me at this juncture I can't commit to living in the FSU so I can't go down that path. If I did and brought her back to the west it would be like putting my nuts on the chopping block as she could take me for a lot. Though that would be much the same as getting with a FSW bringing her (marriage) to the UK and having a kid later. Only plus is that I would have longed to get to know her and if I divorce before five years of marriage theoretically (apparently) I would keep what I had before marriage though to be honest I don't trust that at all.

To be honest if I'm going to have kids to be fair to them I don't have a lot of time to while away on long periods of finding out if I get on with a woman to finality. Seeing as there is not a great amount of money they can claim from the state in the FSU I'm guessing that many would not do that only if desperate and probably the less poor women. I'm not saying it's the best idea in terms of getting with a woman to live in the west with but it's a still a possible option. If I had two cheap houses and was able to wangle access through not peeing off then it might not be the worst option going.
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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2020, 03:32:42 PM »
Beo, i did mention a few times, that pensioner have it hard here. Regarding Polish roots, you are correct, my recent ex has polish , and wants to go there, but she isn't over enthusiastic leaving her family. Hence why i said not everyone wants to leave their family and friends, and appreciate i am open to the idea relocating (I am not exactly making $300 a month).

You probably aren't hanging out with babas on fixed incomes, or people with no education, or people with no English language skills.  You aren't routinely learning about the country from waitresses or agrarian workers.

I dated someone who worked in a store, each time someone stole something, she was charged, some days she would come home crying, because she literally lost her whole wage, and owed money. It was painful to watch, she didn't speak english , before anyone asks, the relationship works, i am charismatic enough to not allow a language barrier to bother me (make jokes).

So, if Svetlana really wants to move to the West and is intelligent, she can do so without Bob.

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Yes, the game has changed, maybe why it puts off some men, they think they can get a model, with just a passport (Such as trench, no disrespect trench, but if you want to pull this off you need a lot)


I am not shocked about the gangs part, but isn't that the same with a lot of places? I know someone trying to open a Bar in Moscow, people said you need protection money. Doing business here is a headache.

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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2020, 03:36:42 PM »
Trench...... Just don't get married, stop wasting time in the UK , playing renovations. What are you bringing a family back to? A room share with universit students in the other rooms, taking turns on who will use the shower? Seriously stop deluding yourself, get your ass in motion, and move on FSU, find some income, and get hustling.

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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2020, 03:38:57 PM »
I can find some jollies in a phone booth?
Just exactly how does that work?
There are very few of those left anywhere and they no longer work either.

This is a somewhat UK thing, the phone booths are/were adorned with cards from sex workers. A bit like the red light districts in various cities in The Netherlands. 

Perhaps a poster from UK can post some images to help the hopeless.
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Re: Doing a Deal
« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2020, 03:43:22 PM »
HAHA.  Yeah, well, in most cases, a child is toilet trained by 2 or 3, and can speak, and has their own ideas of how things should be "run" in the house by age 3 or 4.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

There is a lot of truth in Confederate's post and the reply of Boethuis.

I would note with children young adults, at the age of 11 they know how to do everything better than adults. Further they are not shy about telling one this.
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« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2020, 04:24:14 PM »
Nobody is suggesting the current situation is exactly as it was in Soviet times.  However, the past makes us who we are, and the woman's attitude re your "poverty" is very much a Soviet attitude.

If you go to Western Ukraine, you will see babas gathering driftwood near the rivers.  They can't afford heating costs. so they heat their homes with driftwood.  Whole villages in Western Ukraine have no electricity - cut by suppliers, as they don't have the money to pay for electricity.  A lot of those women also need painkillers such as Advil or Tylenol.  They go to a pharmacy and buy 1 or 2 pills, as that is all they can afford.  And you're discussing "wealth"??

I know a UW here who married a Canadian.  Her children and grandchildren have the latest phones, tablets, and clothing, because she sends them these things from here, or they send her a link with what they want, and she buys it online for them.   Her granddaughter certainly couldn't afford it on the last salary offer she received at a shoe store - US$1 per day.  Sending money, or goods back to relatives is extremely common in Ukraine.  Zarobitchane, or workers abroad, at any given time, comprise 25% of Ukraine's economically active workforce.  They work legally in some countries, illegally in others.  All are sending money "home".  PPP in Ukraine is below that of such economic powerhouses as Albania, Armenia, Moldova, and Botswana.  I am not suggesting that all Ukrainians are poor, and PPP doesn't take into account the grey economy.  However, to suggest the country is not struggling is absolutely inaccurate, despite a growing middle class.  If things were as rosy as you suggest, people wouldn't be working abroad.  You also have to take into account that, as a Westerner, the people you are exposed to are not those at the bottom rungs of society.  You probably aren't hanging out with babas on fixed incomes, or people with no education, or people with no English language skills.  You aren't routinely learning about the country from waitresses or agrarian workers.


I don't even want to get into criminality.  Did you know, for example, that Kyiv is divided into sectors by criminal gangs, who control activity (shakedowns, drugs, as examples) in their sphere of control?

As for Bob, it isn't the economy that made a difference.  There are many factors.  First, there is more knowledge about the West, and many women don't desire a future in the West.  Second, educated Ukrainians have the ability to move abroad on their own.  If they have Polish, Hungarian, Czech, or Romanian ancestry (very common in Western Ukraine), they can get passports from those countries, giving them instant access to the EU.  Germany passed legislation right before COVID that opened access for skilled workers from Ukraine.  If Ukrainians are educated, there are many paths to work in the West, either temporarily or permanently.  70,000 Ukrainians emigrate of their own accord to Canada annually.  I assume that number is higher for Ukrainians to the US.  So, if Svetlana really wants to move to the West and is intelligent, she can do so without Bob.

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Indeed, and not just the EU states you mention but also the Baltic States, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia. Now they are EU states it means that many people have family connections from Russia or used to live there, are Russians, etc. It means many Russians can visit the Baltic States, or previously lived there or marry someone there. Hence with citizenship from the Baltic States they get EU citizen status and hence can move to live in the UK and gain citizenship here.

Thus we can see that nearly the whole of the Eastern European EU border is literally open floodgate through which many, many, many, Russians and Ukrainians can pour through the Eastern European EU states and onto the UK.

That as you can imagine is not a situation that the UK can go on tolerating. Hence why we voted to leave the EU. After the 31st December this year the transition period with the EU ends and thank god we will finally get to close our open floodgates which leaves them the rest of the EU, probably western EU to pour into. Naturally that is unlikely a situation other western European nations people's will happily tolerate for long. Once they get a proper taste of what the UK have been getting they will be saying au revoir to the EU too.

Hence I have come into contact with some Russians in the UK, they are not bad people but too many reduces the jobs and opportunities for the native population. That and it potentially long term screws up the situation of hot girls looking for western men for a better life.
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