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Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« on: November 19, 2020, 06:09:03 AM »
30 mins ago, SC calls as the car will not start.

It is a car I have never seen and she bought as a run around in Russia...thinking she would keep one for when we visit...

 She hasn't used it for a week and it wouldn't start .

I was able to speak to a neighbour, a yacht mate and biz partner and get the battery tested..only 7 volts, a 'smok'...jump leads and determine which battery to order from her VIN number ..

Some say Russians are 'cold and unfriendly'...?

It just helps to be able to have simple vocab in a crisis..

Wifey called ME and 'International rescue' kicked into operation..

Only a child of the 60's or 90's might know the Thunderbirds)

SC is en route to an autoshop to have a new battery....

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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2020, 09:34:19 AM »
Moby, sure your example shows how language ability was helpful.
But as sophisticated people here, we have to know how to think of probabilities and tradeoffs.

So what is the probability that a Western guy will be helping his FSU wife with a car problem she is having in her home country ?  Probably close to zero.

Now, in the rare case that he is called on to help, and has the language ability to help, how much time was spent in achieving that ability and how much earnings power (from his profession) did he give up to achieve that ability?

In my case, I would have forgone hundreds of thousands of dollars in consulting income to gain Russian or Ukrainian language skills.

With the money that I did earn, I could buy a woman a new car in FSU rather than forgo those earning and only be able to help with a battery.
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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2020, 10:06:12 AM »
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It is a courtesy to try and know some words of one's beloved's lingo.

When did you last travel with her to visit family / friends?




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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2020, 10:13:28 AM »
ML

It is a courtesy to try and know some words of one's beloved's lingo.



I already posted the logical surrejoinder to your rejoinder before you made it.
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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2020, 10:14:48 AM »
No..you didn't / haven't

Your stance is not logical.

However, there my response on same will end.


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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2020, 10:16:03 AM »
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When did you last travel with her to visit family / friends?

Never have, never will; nor does she want it.

She says parents would be terrified.
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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2020, 02:34:02 PM »
Knowing how to communicate in pigeon Russian is advantageous.

Buying a reasonably decent car or being able to afford a recovery call/garage bill to fix a minor mechanical issue is advantageous. Wasting time trying to communicate with your partner in mixed lingo and then calling round her English speaking neighbours to get voltage readings is bizarre.

ML knows the deal.

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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2020, 02:52:40 PM »
Knowing how to communicate in pigeon Russian is advantageous.

For sure it is.
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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2020, 03:21:52 PM »
Pidgin Russian.
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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2020, 03:30:57 PM »
Pidgin Russian.

Ironic isn’t it?!

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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2020, 11:42:09 PM »
Knowing how to communicate in pigeon Russian is advantageous.

Buying a reasonably decent car or being able to afford a recovery call/garage bill to fix a minor mechanical issue is advantageous. Wasting time trying to communicate with your partner in mixed lingo and then calling round her English speaking neighbours to get voltage readings is bizarre.

ML knows the deal.

Rosco,

Being able to diagnose the issue on Skype,  then being able to ask friends you know have meters to confirm the remote diagnosis, then bring 'smoke', ( English pronunciation of Russian word for jump leads  which I learnt , yesterday) get the car going, drive to the autoshop and pay for a new battery you had agreed on a price beforehand,  is smart.

IF you prefer calling out a mechanic to recover a simple  fault.. There is no reliable AA(A) coverage. I pay for Eurocover for my car.

Your suggestion the car is not decent / reliable when the issue is only a new battery is telling.


For those who know..Batteries in hotter climes last less long than in temperate / cool ones..  c. three years as opposed to five.

In addition, SC's car is used for short, infrequent, urban runs....especially, in the summer months...and in Sochi.. their August  'lasted' nearly  3.5 months..

The vehicle is based on a Mitsbubishi . Hardly known for unreliability..


As you do visit your parents in law, I fail to see how to are in ML's camp....

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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2020, 01:31:39 AM »
As you do visit your parents in law, I fail to see how to are in ML's camp....

Rosco did not say that he avoids his inlaws and he didn't say that learning
some caveman Russian (my level) isn't helpful. He said the opposite of that.

Apparently you and ML have already discussed your disagreements on this.
I don't remember the thread so I don't want to assume what the arguments entailed.

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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2020, 02:14:46 AM »
Rosco did not say that he avoids his inlaws and he didn't say that learning
some caveman Russian (my level) isn't helpful. He said the opposite of that.

Apparently you and ML have already discussed your disagreements on this.
I don't remember the thread so I don't want to assume what the arguments entailed.

Thank you Bill, you are absolutely correct.

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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2020, 02:22:41 AM »
Rosco,

Being able to diagnose the issue on Skype,  then being able to ask friends you know have meters to confirm the remote diagnosis, then bring 'smoke', ( English pronunciation of Russian word for jump leads  which I learnt , yesterday) get the car going, drive to the autoshop and pay for a new battery you had agreed on a price beforehand,  is smart.

IF you prefer calling out a mechanic to recover a simple  fault.. There is no reliable AA(A) coverage. I pay for Eurocover for my car.

Your suggestion the car is not decent / reliable when the issue is only a new battery is telling.


For those who know..Batteries in hotter climes last less long than in temperate / cool ones..  c. three years as opposed to five.

In addition, SC's car is used for short, infrequent, urban runs....especially, in the summer months...and in Sochi.. their August  'lasted' nearly  3.5 months..

The vehicle is based on a Mitsbubishi . Hardly known for unreliability..


As you do visit your parents in law, I fail to see how to are in ML's camp....

My wife also has a little run around. Easy to park and great for short distance commutes. We pay extra so that when she has ‘car issues’ and I’m away with work, she calls a number and they fix the issue for her. No fuss, no hassle and no stress.

Phoning round the neighbours, friends and family to diagnose issues and communicate in multiple languages seems like hassle to me. My point was, it would be more costly for me to be doing what you do rather than pay for a breakdown cover or an extended warranty.

It’s more costly for some of us to drop our day job to rescue the wife at home and her runaround. We’re not always there to help when things go wrong. ML essentially said it too.

I agree it’s helpful knowing some lingo but I disagree with your example above. That seems silly to me.

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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2020, 02:41:31 AM »
Rosco did not say that he avoids his inlaws and he didn't say that learning
some caveman Russian (my level) isn't helpful. He said the opposite of that.

Apparently you and ML have already discussed your disagreements on this.
I don't remember the thread so I don't want to assume what the arguments entailed.

Q/ I have Beel in ignore ..WHY can I see his posts?)

2/ I have not suggested Rosco is voiding his PiL..quite the opposite)

This is a thread about knowing some Russian..

I am deririving some amusement from the lack of English comprehension...

ANYWAY..
Some good came from SC's little hiccup with the battery.

The man at the autoshop showed her how she can start her car remotely...)
« Last Edit: November 20, 2020, 03:27:35 AM by msmob »

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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2020, 02:53:20 AM »
Q/ I have Beel in ignore ..wWHY can I see his posts?)

2/ I have not suggested Rosco is voiding his PiL..quite the opposite)

This is a thread about knowing some Russian..

I am deririving some amusement from the lack of English comprehension...

ANYWAY..
Some good came from SC's little hiccup with the battery.

The man at the autoshop showed her how she can start her car remotely...)

With all due respect Moby, I wouldn’t be too smug when suggesting that the English comprehension of other posters, is providing you with amusement. Your written English is often poor and the grammar sloppy which leads to confusion.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2020, 03:14:14 AM by Rosco »

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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2020, 03:32:08 AM »
First the car's reliability
..and now my 'English'..)

Perhaps you should just say, "Yes Moby was correct to point out Beel's error in respect to my PiL"

No problem, Rosco...' doffed cap...and moving '..

So easy..



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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2020, 04:02:37 AM »
First the car's reliability
..and now my 'English'..)

Perhaps you should just say, "Yes Moby was correct to point out Beel's error in respect to my PiL"

No problem, Rosco...' doffed cap...and moving '..

So easy..

No. That’s not how adults behave Moby. Your punctuation in this post alone is poor and if you read up thread it’s littered with spelling mistakes. You also told us that the car had broken down, what is there to debate here?

You laugh at other people’s english comprehension but fail to write with clarity in your own tongue, creating further misunderstanding outside of your opinion.

This conversation is now over Moby but you expecting people to apologise for your own failings, isn’t a good look.

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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2020, 06:22:04 AM »
'OK'

Being 'criticised' by a 'pigeon' English and reliable car specialist will have to be enough for one day.)

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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2020, 08:54:06 AM »
Q/ I have Beel in ignore ..WHY can I see his posts?)

That feature barely works slightly more than half the time.
I had others on ignore but I could see their posts.

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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2020, 10:00:45 AM »
Why use Ignore ?

My computer has scroll feature.
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2020, 12:04:07 PM »
Why use Ignore ?

My computer has scroll feature.

I can only answer for myself.

Most of the time I am indifferent to bilge and I have nobody on ignore. 
Occasionally somebody gets on my nerves to the point that not reading
their bilge makes me a happier man. I'm all for Moby being happy.

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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2020, 03:57:06 PM »

Occasionally somebody gets on my nerves to the point that not reading
their bilge makes me a happier man.

Again . . . my computer has scroll function.
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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2020, 02:31:12 AM »
My wife also has a little run around. Easy to park and great for short distance commutes. We pay extra so that when she has ‘car issues’ and I’m away with work, she calls a number and they fix the issue for her. No fuss, no hassle and no stress.

Phoning round the neighbours, friends and family to diagnose issues and communicate in multiple languages seems like hassle to me. My point was, it would be more costly for me to be doing what you do rather than pay for a breakdown cover or an extended warranty.

It’s more costly for some of us to drop our day job to rescue the wife at home and her runaround. We’re not always there to help when things go wrong. ML essentially said it too.

I agree it’s helpful knowing some lingo but I disagree with your example above. That seems silly to me.


IMHO, you missed the point.  The point is not about fixing the car.  It is about being the man and taking care of the issue.  I would hazard a guess SC could have dealt with the issue herself.  After all, she's been single most of her life, and had to deal with things on her own.  She wanted her husband to make arrangements to deal with the issue, even if he was not physically there to do so.  It's partly about how he cares for her.


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Re: Knowing her language..why it is useful.
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2020, 04:15:06 AM »
))
 Boethius nailed it...

OF COURSE, SC would have sorted it...Paid more and waited longer.

I am not aware of an AA(A) breakdown service in Russia...(Rosco alluded to such being a sensible measure) If there is one..Please let us know.






 

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