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Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« on: December 01, 2020, 04:48:30 PM »
Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?

I went to Findlaw.com to see what the legal definition was

"At its most basic definition, prostitution is the exchange of a sexual act for
money. State laws have expanded the definition to make it a crime to offer,
agree to, or engage in a sexual act for compensation of any kind."
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/prostitution.html


A Prodater is more of a fraudster. They pretend to like you romantically
while trying to empty your wallet as much as possible. Typically they
try as much as they can NOT to have sex or give kisses or affection
to their mark.

Prodater's have a number of scams they try to pull to get your
money into their wallet.
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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2020, 05:33:49 PM »
In discussing such a topic on previous occasions a third variant came up, we called them 'transactional girls', several guys had met them. They weren't pro daters since their activites wouldn't be enough to live off, they were the occasional girls that would date foreigners and press them a little for stuff from them, not dating expenses such as meals nor luxury higly expensive items but regular fashion brand dress of £50-£80, dance class costs, even pet food for one poster. In effect they were just manipulative girls as can be common out there apparently due to the societal setup. Some might say they were informal prostitutes, well some spread their legs others don't but still try to manipulate, the guy buying the pet food and dance classes wasn't even getting some. So it can just be the way some girls are out there, I've even had one Russian lady tell me that its all part of the dating game, almost a bit of fun, the girls tries to get stuff off the guy, the guy tries to evade, possibly. Some girls are of course a bit more grown up and mature but the younger girls probably do messa about like this.

I've never had a prodater and certainly would never use a prostitute, I find that lacks class and self respect. Prodaters should be obvious to any guy when they try to land them with an expensive cost and it is that time (if not before) that it is time to walk.
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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2020, 06:06:37 PM »
In discussing such a topic on previous occasions a third variant came up, we called them 'transactional girls', several guys had met them. They weren't pro daters since their activites wouldn't be enough to live off, they were the occasional girls that would date foreigners and press them a little for stuff from them, not dating expenses such as meals nor luxury higly expensive items but regular fashion brand dress of £50-£80, dance class costs, even pet food for one poster.

I think transactional girls and prodaters are the same thing. Prodaters rarely
can live off what they make, it just enhances their income. Maybe you are
saying that the transactional girls give up some sex for their luxury items?
If so they are sister endeavors where as prostitutes are far distant cousins.

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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2020, 08:35:59 PM »
I think transactional girls and prodaters are the same thing. Prodaters rarely
can live off what they make, it just enhances their income. Maybe you are
saying that the transactional girls give up some sex for their luxury items?
If so they are sister endeavors where as prostitutes are far distant cousins.

I'm not so sure there the same thing, pro date girls by their definition are 'professional'. They normally deliberately set out to scam a guy on say meal dates, jewellery and clothes buying of a lot of money, hundreds of pounds/dollars per scam attempt.

Transactional girl/manipulative girls tend to just have a nature of trying it on with guys for smaller items kind of like a game. In relative terms to a pro-dater they go for the coupon discount when they could have attempted to fry a much larger fish. Take the guy that bought the pet food and the dance lessons, hardly a win that is big or long lasting for the girl. To me it signifies girls that likely stray from one casual relationship to another for short whiles but with no direct intent. Most likely these girls work full time somewhere as their antics won't support them. Prodaters meanwhile could work full or part time in another job depending on how successful they are.
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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2020, 09:50:00 PM »
I have no evidence of this, but I’d suspect the thousands of prodaters you see on PPL sites are getting a small percentage of the letter writing profits.

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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2020, 06:06:04 AM »
I'm not so sure there the same thing, pro date girls by their definition are 'professional'. They normally deliberately set out to scam a guy on say meal dates, jewellery and clothes buying of a lot of money, hundreds of pounds/dollars per scam attempt.

I'm sure, they are the essentially same thing.

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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2020, 06:20:49 AM »
Sounds like a moral, and not a practical issue with no difference in definition needed.

If a woman wants to have sex with someone, no problem.  If a dinner, gift, job, marriage, bucks, or any combination thereof are exchanged along the way, no problem either.

IMO what a woman, or man, or any alphabet combination wants to do sexually, or not, is, and should be their choice.

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Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2020, 06:44:12 AM »
I've never had a prodater and certainly would never use a prostitute, I find that lacks class and self respect. Prodaters should be obvious to any guy when they try to land them with an expensive cost and it is that time (if not before) that it is time to walk.

I dated a girl in Kiev who asked me to buy her an $800 coat.
I said no. I dated a girl who told me it was $30 for a cab ride
to a nearby place. I gave her the $30 and never called her again.

I dated a girl who tried to ordered 4 pies to take home from a
restaurant. I told the waitress that I wasn't paying for them.

Those are little pro-dater scams.

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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2020, 07:52:07 AM »
IMO what a woman, or man, or any alphabet combination wants to do sexually, or not, is, and should be their choice.

Agreed. We may or may not agree with how other people live their lives but its really none of our business. Let's turn it round for arguments sake, if a wealthy woman wants a handsome toy boy to be at her beck and call, and in return he gets holidays, cars and cash then its entirely up to them.

So long as they're on the same page then nobody is getting hurt. It's the people who think that the relationship is something else, who end up hurt and angry.

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2020, 09:15:05 AM »
So long as they're on the same page then nobody is getting hurt. It's the people
who think that the relationship is something else, who end up hurt and angry.

I get the prostitute thing. As long as it's a willing exchange between adults. 
I'm not going to worry about it as long as they keep away from the kids
and/or the unwilling.

The prodater types are pretending to offer love and a future family in exchange
for money and gifts, but they have no intention of delivering on the love or future.
Guys should be able to see through this but many don't or they do after having their wallets cleaned out a bit.

This forum is here for many things including helping guys learn how to spot
prodater's and their ilk.

 
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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2020, 12:45:00 PM »
It's the people who think that the relationship is something else, who end up hurt and angry.

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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2020, 01:52:11 PM »
It is really hard sometimes to try to define the difference between prostitutes, pro-daters, and normal gals that you date.

Surely it can't just be paper currency handed over that makes the difference.

1. Man pays gal $100 (or whatever) and they have sex.

2. Man takes gal to restaurant and spends $200 (100 each) and they have sex.

3. Man presents gal with $100 bracelet and they have sex.

4. Man arranged to pay gal $100 for sex, then doesn't have the $100 bill, so she agrees to take a $100 bracelet.
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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2020, 02:24:23 PM »
This is not that complicated. 

One pays a prostitute not for sex, but to leave after sex.

Any gifts or transactions made with the intent of spending more time together is prodating. 

That still leaves a number of other transactional categories ranging from stupidity to generosity.   




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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2020, 03:01:07 PM »
One pays a prostitute not for sex, but to leave after sex.

I've heard that before, but it's not true. The cost is dependent on
what she does, how hot she is and how good she is at it, not on
her leaving quickly. 

If she said, "let me hang around for two hours and watch the ball
game and I'll charge you half price" all of the punters would do it.

Why would they do it? Because they are paying her for sex, not
to leave. 

You could reverse it and say you are paying for her time doing sexy
stuff. As soon as the time has expired, you have to pay her more or
she leaves.

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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2020, 09:12:56 PM »
I've heard that before, but it's not true. The cost is dependent on
what she does, how hot she is and how good she is at it, not on
her leaving quickly.

Single men should not have to pay for sex.   There are millions of single, young women looking for fun and companionship  while keeping their eye open for a "keeper." 

A prostitute's primary market is married men.  A married man knows the potential trouble of connecting with one of those single young women mentioned above.  They know a prostitute will not want to ang out nor show up uninvited.

True story (one of my best friends 20 years ago).

 - He arrives home after work and sees a strange car parked in front of his house.

-  He walks in and says, "Hi honey!"

-  His wife replies, "Hello sweetie, your girlfriend is here!"

He knew this young woman from his business trips to Jacksonville.  She traced his home address from his car license plate, drove 3 hours to surprise him, knocked on the door, and met the wife.   

His next hour was "tense," softened only by his two young kids running around the house.  He settled it by admitting to the young woman he lied to her and stating he was interested in sex only, not in a relationship.  The young woman took it well, as evidently earlier with just the wife she had already gone though the stages of shock-anger-revenge. 

My friend and his wife are still together, and their relationship has been intriguing with an abundance of sexuality.    She is a friendly, warm person. 

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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2020, 09:45:29 PM »
Single men should not have to pay for sex.   There are millions of single, young women looking for fun and companionship  while keeping their eye open for a "keeper." 

I don't think this is true . . . the first sentence.
I think in the 'single dating world,' behavior reverts to the animal kingdom situation
i.e. A small percent of the males mate with a large percent of the females.

There really are a very large percent of single men who are 'incels' , a word that I heard for the first time just this year.

Anectdotal:  Wilt Chamberlain and his 10,000 sex partners. 
Extreme . . . yes.  But I'll bet there are hundred of thousands of guys world wide who also have very, very large numbers, whereas millions of single guys world wide have almost zero.


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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2020, 01:11:08 AM »
I don't think this is true . . . the first sentence.
I think in the 'single dating world,' behavior reverts to the animal kingdom situation
i.e. A small percent of the males mate with a large percent of the females.

There really are a very large percent of single men who are 'incels' , a word that I heard for the first time just this year.

Anectdotal:  Wilt Chamberlain and his 10,000 sex partners. 
Extreme . . . yes.  But I'll bet there are hundred of thousands of guys world wide who also have very, very large numbers, whereas millions of single guys world wide have almost zero.

It is the 80/20 rule, 20% of men are sleeping with 80% of women. Also time and investment is an issue, i won't do escorts, not because moral implications, but because of the diseases people can catch. Even with protection, there are skin contact diseases. These women could sleep with thousands of guys in their lifetime, the odds of diseases goes up.

Time and investment to find a girl to have sex with is something people need to consider. I only had few women who came straight to my place to have sex, without me going out to meet them first. Realistically, i need to go on a date, spend a few hours, sometimes several dates are needed (I disappear if there is no sex by the 3rd).

I think once a guy sleeps with a number of women, and has filled his ego regarding his hunting skills at finding women, seducing them. He can take a step back. I have been celibate for maybe a week now, and i actually feel okay about it. I want to take my time with stuff

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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2020, 01:35:02 AM »
It is the 80/20 rule, 20% of men are sleeping with 80% of women.

Can you prove this 'rule' ?

*I* think it is tosh ..here's why

*I* believe lots of folks don't have that many sexual partners and marry and get by ..  I am certain my parents and grandparents were not as sexually active with as many partners

The thing is ... some blokes like to boast of their conquests ..


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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2020, 03:16:18 AM »
I get the prostitute thing. As long as it's a willing exchange between adults. 
I'm not going to worry about it as long as they keep away from the kids
and/or the unwilling.

The prodater types are pretending to offer love and a future family in exchange
for money and gifts, but they have no intention of delivering on the love or future.
Guys should be able to see through this but many don't or they do after having their wallets cleaned out a bit.

This forum is here for many things including helping guys learn how to spot
prodater's and their ilk.

I agree.

One is a transaction between two people where they both know the deal. The other is fraud and when that happens, there's always a victim.

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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2020, 03:38:40 AM »
You are both SO wrong

Few women choose to be a prostitute other than a desperate need for money...to support their kids.

They ARE the victims, already, often.


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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2020, 03:40:28 AM »
Can you prove this 'rule' ?

*I* think it is tosh ..here's why

*I* believe lots of folks don't have that many sexual partners and marry and get by ..  I am certain my parents and grandparents were not as sexually active with as many partners

The thing is ... some blokes like to boast of their conquests ..
.

80/20 is a mathematical occurrence.
I know some friends who have involuntarily been celibate for years, some are not . Similar to wealth, people on top control the vast majority, the rest fight for the scraps. Being on top is not as easy as choosing it , it is hard work.

For example if we are talking about dating , there is a lot of work for a man to be seen by women as desirable, without him committing much to each woman. For example fitness, and wealth are two main ones
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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2020, 03:54:56 AM »
You are both SO wrong

Few women choose to be a prostitute other than a desperate need for money...to support their kids.

They ARE the victims, already, often.

Nobody is debating the victim status here or the horrific amount of people currently caught up in human trafficking. You're the only one discussing this, either because you misunderstand the discussion or because you're choosing to divert the conversation.

An escort who has chosen her profession, meets a client and money is exchanged for services. High end, low end whatever but someone who chooses to be an escort. Both the client and the escort know what the deal is. None of them are expecting a relationship for services paid.

A man or woman who meets a person under the prentice of a genuine date, with the possibility of a future romantic relationship based on liking each other but then finds out the other person is faking their affection, to benefit financially, is fraud. They are not on the same page and there is no 'deal'.

The discussion is about the differences between pro daters and prostitutes, clue - look at the subject heading. This is not a discussion about how people become prostitutes and human trafficking.

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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2020, 05:03:31 AM »
An escort who has chosen her profession, meets a client and money is exchanged for services. High end, low end whatever but someone who chooses to be an escort. Both the client and the escort know what the deal is. None of them are expecting a relationship for services paid.

Thank you for reinforcing my point .. I have seen many guys in Cyprus believe that paying for the same girl does exactly that ....

 
A man or woman who meets a person under the prentice of a genuine date, with the possibility of a future romantic relationship based on liking each other but then finds out the other person is faking their affection, to benefit financially, is fraud. They are not on the same page and there is no 'deal'.

Hmm, to be a fraud in the eyes of England and Wales law, the 'pro-dater' would have to be proven as simply meeting the guy to gain reward...  'Good luck' with that ..

What 'reward' are they getting ?  A meal and a taxi ride paid for ?  Perhaps they get a kick back from the agency ? More fool the guy for spending money with such a business.

The discussion is about the differences between pro daters and prostitutes, clue - look at the subject heading. This is not a discussion about how people become prostitutes and human trafficking.

I'm 'sorry', but two of you opened up this subject by your very own posts .....



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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2020, 05:06:23 AM »
I recall going out with an exceptionally attractive lady in Cali Colombia.   I thought we were having an ok time.  After dinner we went browsing around arm in arm.  She saw an eyeglasses store, and wanted some eyeglasses they may have cost 100 bucks or so.   The lady didn't wear glasses, she just liked how they looked.     At that point I realized that we were on different playing fields.  I was actually an earnest guy looking for a long term lady, and she was looking for a short term financial score.  Had I realized what game was being run I could have been corrupted for the day, she was an exceptionally nice looking lady.   Alas at the end, she got no glasses, and I got nothing much either, and that was that.   It takes some guys a longer time to figure out what is going on, sometimes because they want to believe so badly something is real when it isn't. 

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Re: Prodaters vs prostitutes what's the difference?
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2020, 07:07:00 AM »
I don't think this is true . . . the first sentence.
I think in the 'single dating world,' behavior reverts to the animal kingdom situation
i.e. A small percent of the males mate with a large percent of the females.

I accept your challenge. 

Let me assure you there is nothing special about me.  In my younger days I merely "showed up" and behaved as if I were "normal."  I rarely ventured to the singles bars, yet would encounter young women at my pad shared with 8 bachelors (many parties).  Meet women when shopping.  Meet women on business trips.  Introductions.  Etc.  They were everywhere. 

I did not keep a list but the number was maybe 80-100 different women over a couple of years.  Not Wilt, but actually more than I needed, and certainly more than I sought.

The pace slowed considerably when I worked for the UN in Muslim countries.  Even there, I did not lack female companionship.  Diplomat staff.  Western educated locals. Expat daughters.  In that setting I typically stayed with a woman for 2-3 months.  There could have been more if I had not avoided hungry wives.   But wait; there is more.   I would work two months and then travel for 2-5 weeks to see the world.  Met many women in those travels, especially summer in Europe.  Met no women in Ethiopia and Afghanistan. 

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