First gift to a lady

[Elen]

Sandro, I will send Elen a box of See's truffles if she wants to PM me her address which I would keep confidential from all her infatuated admirers. Then she could give us all her expert opinion of See's American chocolate!

Why do you promice that to Sandro  while you should discuss this fine idea with me  ?

Well I have no troubles to exchange an address where you could send me a  package on a box of candy 

Is there any other volunteer except Billy to be scammed with candies by Elen ? 

I have no objections ( Pity you can't send me your famouse gamburgers)

Ps and don't dare to say something about "bad Russian post service" like a reason because of what I didn't get that my box with candies

[BC]

Lets see.. what was in my goodie bags over the years..

Perfume, D&G went over well

Chocolates, Belgian

Loads of Pasta.. Barilla

Good Olive Oil

Unusual spices, Greek, Cajun, Texas Pete little green peppers

XL Tee shirts with logo's etc to sleep in

Flower and vegetable seeds

All kinds of souveniers for the curio cabinet

Good popcorn

Assorted small toys for kids

Good wine and grappa

Gerber multi-tools and small Maglites for the men

Bumper stickers

Any kind of book with pictures of your state/country

Of course jewlery always appreciated.. LOL

Whatever you do bring make sure it's 'quality'

[PeeWee]

Perfume is a good gift, but there are a few things to consider about it as a gift to a RW.  Russians have many European perfumes available to them that won't be introduced to America for years, if ever, so their availability is much better than ours.  And perfume's do run out.  Jewelry is forever.

Billy,
I think that See's is a west coast thing, maybe only a California thing.

Jet,
I have to agree (again!) with Elen, that dark chocolates seem to be preferred by RW instead of "milk" chocolate.  Lena says milk chocolate is too sweet.  A little strange that your wifey prefers them.

Elen,
So you don't get too big of a head thinking that I am only going to agree with you, you must be informed that there are some fine chocolates and vodkas made in cities in Russia that aren't called "Moscow."
 KenC

With regard to perfume. I had asked Lena what her favorite was. Come to find out, after searching through every Duty Free Shop in both Heathrow and in Cairo and a few stores in Cairo that her favorite is hard to find. I did not find it. So what I did was have our driver stop at one of those perfume factories located on the outskirts of Cairo. The place where one can buy the oil that is bought by the perfume companies before they cut it with alcohol. Oil lasts and does not evaporate like perfume does.

We sat, sipped on Egpytian coffee and tea, and tested all of the basic sents. She chose two that she liked. The equivilant of Chanel 5 and another one. About $80.00 per 6 ounce bottle but concentrated was the price. My suggestion is that you ask her what it is that she likes and then send that to her. No point in experimenting with something she may not like. The way a woman smells is important to her. In fact when we were testing perfumes Lena told me that she would prefer that I experienced her natural scent, her scent sans perfume.

I send Russian chocolate to RW. I buy chocolate made in whatever country that I am visiting for my mother. 

Peevee

[groovlstk]

You might consider giving her and her family some of those tiny keychain flashlights. It's a thoughtful and inexpensive gift, and believe me they will love it... When a light in the halls of an apartment in Russia or Ukraine goes out, you can bet it won't be replaced immediately. And outside of the larger cities, many streets have no lights. 

[PeeWee]

You might consider giving her and her family some of those tiny keychain flashlights. It's a thoughtful and inexpensive gift, and believe me they will love it... When a light in the halls of an apartment in Russia or Ukraine goes out, you can bet it won't be replaced immediately. And outside of the larger cities, many streets have no lights. 

Not a bad idea, groover. Now I am thinking better yet about those miner hats with the light right up front. Hands free operation and somewhat stylish.

Peevee

[Turboguy]

Great idea PeeWee, maybe one of the old style ones with the carbide lantern.  Then she won't need any perfume either.  Eau de Carbide

[Louie]

Nahhh you gotta get the flashlight glass's, practical and a fashion statement to boot, Elen, I have all the Harry Potter books in English here, she can read them here, she hasn't started to take English lessons yet, her mom is now giving her the basics, I have the last book here in Russian, and will send it off to her soon. i just thought it would be nice to include her daughter in the gift gettin

[SANDRO43]

Seen the reaction, BillyB ? Just the mention of forthcoming chocolate is mellowing Elen already . Finally we know the secret key to a FSUW's heart ! If it works with her, imagine the effect on the softer nuts we are usually dealing with .

[Elen]

Seen the reaction, BillyB ? Just the mention of forthcoming chocolate is mellowing Elen already . Finally we know the secret key to a FSUW's heart ! If it works with her, imagine the effect on the softer nuts we are usually dealing with .

Actually you are wrong Sandro and flailed with deciphering Russian woman's reaction  about your foreigner males ' actions one more time. You still have a LOT to learn about 

I didn't send Billy my address ( although I did that with other Americans and did get chocolate from America already  - those were guys who just told me they wanted to make me a pleasant thing by sending me chocolate but not who were telling me in 100s posts what a perfect chocolate they had there in America)
An "offer" of gift was made in SUCH way ( truth tell there was NO offer to ME at all)  that I have little desire to get a gift which male was forced to present Even if he was going to do that he wanted to do that because of "proving" something and even proving not to me but to another male Billy was just caught "on a bet"

 Really I had a LOT of chocolate in my life - in great amount, of various sorts, producted in various countries - for to fall in such American offer of "gift"

 So that. Let you ( all of you)do your home work and learn by your own mistakes how to deal with Russian women  ( with those ones who have seen decent chocolate in their life without a "compassionate allowance" from America

[Elen]

You might consider giving her and her family some of those tiny keychain flashlights. It's a thoughtful and inexpensive gift, and believe me they will love it... When a light in the halls of an apartment in Russia or Ukraine goes out, you can bet it won't be replaced immediately. And outside of the larger cities, many streets have no lights. 

I bet China produces more decent such flashlights than America  - we have a lot of them here - "for 10 rubles per a bunch "


BTw you Americans forgot one more perfect gift from your paradise - toilet paper Bring a pack of it to your girl  - let she partake of achivements of civilised world, poor thing 

[PeeWee]

I bet China produces more decent such flashlights than America  - we have a lot of them here - "for 10 rubles per a bunch "


BTw you Americans forgot one more perfect gift from your paradise - toilet paper Bring a pack of it to your girl  - let she partake of achivements of civilised world, poor thing 

Well now you have me thinking. What about toothpaste, soap, feminine products, and shaving cream?

Peevee

[Elen]

Well now you have me thinking. What about toothpaste, soap, feminine products, and shaving cream?

Peevee

Ask BillyB I recall one of his stories posted on other board in other time - if I recall right he left something there of such kind for his girl like a "gift" with honest best American intentions

Or may be I'm wrong and it was not he  but another Billy 

[BillyB]

Ask BillyB I recall one of his stories posted on other board in other time - if I recall right he left something there of such kind for his girl like a "gift" with honest best American intentions

Or may be I'm wrong and it was not he  but another Billy 

Hey now. Elen my dear, I sent you a PM saying I promise to keep my word about sending you chocolate and now you attack me? You do have the wrong Billy. I never said I gave feminine products and toothpaste as gifts to my fiancee. I will let you know on my second visit to Uzbekistan, I left one of my large suitcase with her and consequently I had to leave everything such as toothpaste, shampoo, and shaving cream behind because I only had enough room in my remaining suitcase for my gifts to my relatives, clothes and dirty underwear. In Moscow, I bought my fiancee and her family so many gifts, I had to let her take another of my suitcases with her and of course left her with my shampoo and toothpaste again since I didn't have enough room. Don't worry about how my fiancee feels with my gifts, she loves me for many good reasons.

Why make a big deal about how I offered you chocolate? Why are you worried about accepting my offer of Chocolate? Afraid you'll find a new love and divorce your husband? Anyway, it takes two people to agree. Don't be stubborn. Send me your address and I'll keep my promise.

[Elen]

Nahhh you gotta get the flashlight glass's, practical and a fashion statement to boot, Elen, I have all the Harry Potter books in English here, she can read them here, she hasn't started to take English lessons yet, her mom is now giving her the basics, I have the last book here in Russian, and will send it off to her soon. i just thought it would be nice to include her daughter in the gift gettin

About Harry Potters books They are all over here in Russian book stores So if girl likes them then I presume mother bought them for her already ( In English language they are rather expensive  because they are sold by the same price like at the West ( the last one cost 900 rubls - greedy foreigners  )

 So my advice in a case with a gift for child - bring some fairy tailes in English But those fairy tailes which are "classic"  in your culture like Kolobok or Repka in Russia and which anybody know there in America while we in Russia have not idea about.

[Elen]

Hey now. Elen my dear, I sent you a PM saying I promise to keep my word about sending you chocolate and now you attack me? You do have the wrong Billy. I never said I gave feminine products and toothpaste as gifts to my fiancee. I will let you know on my second visit to Uzbekistan, I left one of my large suitcase with her and consequently I had to leave everything such as toothpaste, shampoo, and shaving cream behind because I only had enough room in my remaining suitcase for my gifts to my relatives, clothes and dirty underwear. In Moscow, I bought my fiancee and her family so many gifts, I had to let her take another of my suitcases with her and of course left her with my shampoo and toothpaste again since I didn't have enough room. Don't worry about how my fiancee feels with my gifts, she loves me for many good reasons.

Why make a big deal about how I offered you chocolate? Why are you worried about accepting my offer of Chocolate? Afraid you'll find a new love and divorce your husband? Anyway, it takes two people to agree. Don't be stubborn. Send me your address and I'll keep my promise.

I told you you were LATE with your PM. You should have done that YESTERDAY  before you faced an attack from me 
And as Chocolate is NOT my main goal in this life then a way how gift's offer was made does matter for me. You just failed in second time to convince me to accept your gift . You have one more  attempt Try again in third time. But keep in your mind it would be your last chance 

GEEZ  males  you even have not idea how to make woman to take your perfect chocolate. I could only wonder how you manage to make women to marry you

As for that story then Billy may be I suffer about sclerosis but my memory tells me another story and explanation than you say now  And I don't doubt your generosity  with gifts for her and her family I just remind you that topic about "Russian girls teeth"  - one of the lovely topic for discussions among foreigner males - and what you ( it was you was not? ) wrote there 
 And I don't worry about your attitude to your fiance - I just always thought that how male behaved himself with women who he had not "personal" interest in could speak about male something as well
You see this in not the first time I discuss "chocolate" issue with foreigners Ans each time males fall in several categories
- ones would be fight with me till no end trying to prove me that chocolate they have there is the best and I poor thing just have not idea bout anything in this life
- ones would give advices to others - let sent her that damn chocolate
- some would agree to send that chocolate showing no other intention except to prove something there to their mates ( thinking little what woman herself thinks about it)
- and some of you just will send that chocolate by their own will just like a REAL gift  wich would be accepted with thanks and without any "beging"

And all categories think about themselves like "a MAN" 

[BillyB]

Alright Elen, next time I will think of creating interesting ways to make you accept my chocolate such as kissing your feet and begging you in public to accept. Next time I'm rolling through Moscow, we will exchange chocolates.

I didn't participate in any "Russian girls teeth" threads. My fiancee's teeth is perfect!

BTW gentlemen, as you can see, it is very difficult to give a RW a gift without a struggle!

[Elen]

Alright Elen, next time I will think of creating interesting ways to make you accept my chocolate such as kissing your feet and begging you in public to accept. Next time I'm rolling through Moscow, we will exchange chocolates.

I didn't participate in any "Russian girls teeth" threads. My fiancee's teeth is perfect!

Yes Billy If you have any honest intention to make a GIFT to anybody - especially to woman - then you MUST think about ways you try to do that as well. You should not only presume that she would accept your gift just because it is perfect ( in your viewpoint  ) and she has never had anything similar to it in her life. And there is no need to "beg" but there is no need to be such arrogant either.

 PS You did participate in that tread  and yes you did say that your girl's teeth were perfect and posted her photo. But you did tell something else  about your "tactfulness" ( I was very surprised with that post ( if put it "soft" ) so that time I posted a citate from it at antidate board. So now I can send you those words. Get them in your PM  And as I didn't post at antidate a nickname of author of that post and there is tiny chance that I do suffer about sclerosis and don't remember right whose post it was then I bring my appologies in a case it was  other "Billy" - though I do sure it was you )

[Elen]

And there is a lesson for all of you males - shut females' mouth up with chocolate in time or it would be late to do it 

[BillyB]

Yes Billy If you have any honest intention to make a GIFT to anybody - especially to woman - then you MUST think about ways you try to do that as well. You should not only presume that she would accept your gift just because it is perfect ( in your viewpoint  ) and she has never had anything similar to it in her life. And there is no need to "beg" but there is no need to be such arrogant either.

 PS You did participate in that tread  and yes you did say that your girl's teeth were perfect and posted her photo. But you did tell something else  about your "tactfulness" ( I was very surprised with that post ( if put it "soft" ) so that time I posted a citate from it at antidate board. So now I can send you those words. Get them in your PM  And as I didn't post at antidate a nickname of author of that post and there is tiny chance that I do suffer about sclerosis and don't remember right whose post it was then I bring my appologies in a case it was  other "Billy" - though I do sure it was you )

Don't worry Elen, I'm not ashamed of anything I say in these forums even if I did forget I previously mentioned my fiancee's teeth was perfect even though she doesn't use toothpaste. If anti-date girls don't like me because of what I say, then that is their loss and they can wonder why they can't find a nice guy. If those anti-date girls would get together with the males on these forums instead of ridiculing them, they might find happiness, especially if they find a man who can win them over with his character, not gifts and money.

I do have tactful ways of giving and I planned on leaving a suitcase of goodies, which include toothpaste, with my finacee everytime we meet. I don't hand her toothpaste and say "happy birthday", she gets the toothpaste because I don't have any room in my remaining suitcase. I also know she's going to need a few suitcases when she arrives to me, the least I can do is load it up with some useful items besides gifts I broughht for her and her family, not including feminine products. And for what it's worth, I'd rather take her a new tube of toothpaste instead of old. Also, I know my fiancee doesn't want to accept any money from me. I "tactfully" "forget" to exchange the currency for dollars before going to the airport and give it to her saying I'm not allowed to take this out of the country. I don't buy a woman's love. Any women that ridiculed me at anti-date for anything I've said/done should think about why my fiancee loves me so much and why they are lonely.

[Elen]

Antidate girls don't know that post was yours so they could judge only "post" itself And they were just "surprised" with it in the same degree as I was myself - nothing more. And it certainly had nothing to do with your fiancee  - just a fact how "odd" your viewpoint about us could be. And to my mind that "odd" viewpoints and attitude about life here shine through your choices of gifts and do you nothing good. If you ( all of you)  picked up gifts for RW in the same way you used to do it for American girls (with correction in a case with "souvenirs" of course) then you would have less troubles


BTW about "lonely" antidate girls . A huge part of them are married happily to foreigners for not one year while you actually didn't get "proves" yet that your fiance is really in love with you but not with "a suitcases full of gifts" you left for her  - no implyings here - just an answer at your words about antidate girls ( because you don't know them well) It's like Russians say -  Не говори "гоп" , пока не перепрыгнешь   -  Don't crow until you're out of the woods 

[SANDRO43]

And as Chocolate is NOT my main goal in this life then a way how gift's offer was made does matter for me. You just failed in second time to convince me to accept your gift . You have one more  attempt Try again in third time. But keep in your mind it would be your last chance 

I rest my case .

[Elen]

I rest my case .

What does it mean?
No chocolate for me from Italy as well ?

[catzenmouse]

And there is a lesson for all of you males - shut females' mouth up with chocolate in time or it would be late to do it 

I prefer to do this with kisses! More fun all around...

[Elen]

I prefer to do this with kisses! More fun all around...

well as I 'm at a far distance from you and you can't shut me up with kisses ( and you failed even to do it with chocolate) then "enjoy" with my babbling here 

[catzenmouse]

Thanks Elen, I do enjoy your babbling. I'll keep the kisses for my beautiful wife! And as I did not offer any chocolates I'll leave that part to those who did...   

Ken