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Re: Japtats Trip report 2
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2021, 11:53:06 AM »
Well we went to the gym today , our last session was Friday I think, we did a few homework outs, bribed the gym people to let us in. We will go a few times a week , as I booked myself some work during weekdays as I didn't know if we would find a gym to go to. Three times a week to the gym, the rest working out at home

I do some pushups , straight to handstand push-ups, she then jumps on my back and I do some squats ,🤣 we have fun working out together, and she is as eager as me.

We had a bit of a upset today . I said something I shouldn't have unintentionally and it pissed her off , but it was to be expected, we spent a month together 24/7.

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« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2021, 01:13:21 AM »
So today , i am going on a date with a young lady (19), with my girlfriend. THe young woman hasn't got much in common with me, apart from we both go to the gym. Both of these women are not Bi, but i wanted a bit of fun, and my gf agreed to it/, the girl is looking to join a relationship possibly. It will be interesting, and give me some ideas. I had conversations before with women who liked a one man, and two women relationships.

My gf and the girl have been communicating, i am sort of left out hahahaha. Me and my gf are going well, gym is going really well, i have quickly gained most of my muscle back. I switched to a fruit and meat diet, i need to lower my calories, i am too big. I have a lot of muscle already but seems like my body fat is too high.

I was also communicating with a 40 year old Italian guy in the city i am in. He runs a model agency, but he is into paying for women, sugar babes etc It is really easy to talk to him, he is a down to earth guy, no ego just says it how it is, fairly good looking for his age as well. He wanted to meetup, but i am too busy

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Re: Japtats Trip report 2
« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2021, 10:50:44 AM »
So today , i am going on a date with a young lady (19), with my girlfriend. THe young woman hasn't got much in common with me, apart from we both go to the gym. Both of these women are not Bi, but i wanted a bit of fun, and my gf agreed to it/, the girl is looking to join a relationship possibly. It will be interesting, and give me some ideas. I had conversations before with women who liked a one man, and two women relationships.

My gf and the girl have been communicating, i am sort of left out hahahaha. Me and my gf are going well, gym is going really well, i have quickly gained most of my muscle back. I switched to a fruit and meat diet, i need to lower my calories, i am too big. I have a lot of muscle already but seems like my body fat is too high.

I was also communicating with a 40 year old Italian guy in the city i am in. He runs a model agency, but he is into paying for women, sugar babes etc It is really easy to talk to him, he is a down to earth guy, no ego just says it how it is, fairly good looking for his age as well. He wanted to meetup, but i am too busy
A fairly good looking guy, running a model agency and paying for women lol.Does this guy need to pay for women?There is something wrong; he didn't tell you all.

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« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2021, 10:58:38 AM »
A fairly good looking guy, running a model agency and paying for women lol.Does this guy need to pay for women?There is something wrong; he didn't tell you all.

He likes women around age of 20s. He showed me some of his sugar babe adverts he is thinking of running. He had sugar babes before

He isn't in need of serious relationships , one of his business ventures he wants to run is porn. This is all a hobbie for him he said .


I am about to arrival to the restaurant now , will be a fun night

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Re: Japtats Trip report 2
« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2021, 01:13:44 PM »
So today , i am going on a date with a young lady (19), with my girlfriend. THe young woman hasn't got much in common with me, apart from we both go to the gym. Both of these women are not Bi, but i wanted a bit of fun, and my gf agreed to it/, the girl is looking to join a relationship possibly. It will be interesting, and give me some ideas. I had conversations before with women who liked a one man, and two women relationships.


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« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2021, 10:15:18 PM »

So you're a sex tourist.


Please don't insult the sex tourists. :-[
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Re: Japtats Trip report 2
« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2021, 01:40:31 AM »

So you're a sex tourist.

Very much still in a relationship, so is my GF. Actually if anything we are closer together, she is more sure she wants to start a family with me.

Too many assumptions , even about the girl we met and her intentions. You will be surprised
« Last Edit: January 28, 2021, 07:31:20 AM by japtats »

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« Reply #57 on: January 28, 2021, 03:21:20 PM »
It doesn't matter whether or not you are in a relationship.  Was this second girl your idea?  Did you seek her out? Was your girlfriend "all in" from Day 1?  I frankly doubt it.  The fact she's agreed suggests two scenarios to me, neither of which are particularly positive.


So, that does mean you're a sex tourist, and you are lording your position over the women girls.  Even if your girlfriend consents, at some level, she will always hold this against you. 




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« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2021, 03:45:04 PM »
It doesn't matter whether or not you are in a relationship.  Was this second girl your idea?  Did you seek her out? Was your girlfriend "all in" from Day 1?  I frankly doubt it. 

Yes was my idea, she was initially worried about it. But i reassured her that my emotions for her wouldn't vanish.

The fact she's agreed suggests two scenarios to me, neither of which are particularly positive.

Not hard, she wants to make me happy. Sometimes it is really simple, but you like to make things very confusing and complex. Manage to judge someones past, present, and future simply by what city they were born in. People are very complex, and the pieces move very rapidly, you need a flexible mindset, and the ability to step back and observe from the the distance. Hence why i have treated a range of women very differently, depending on their actions, and not by my desires.

So, that does mean you're a sex tourist, and you are lording your position over the women girls.
Interesting , what position is that?

at some level, she will always hold this against you.

Assumptions, you weren't there to witness everything last night ;)
« Last Edit: January 28, 2021, 04:24:23 PM by japtats »

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Re: Japtats Trip report 2
« Reply #59 on: January 28, 2021, 04:06:31 PM »
I spent a couple of months total with one UW over three trips.
She was one of most highly sexed in terms of desire (demand) of any.
After a month or so of acquaintance, she started suggesting we should invite a second woman to our 'events.'
She wanted me to find such a woman.
I told her that I couldn't because any woman I found would want to be my number one woman, so this current woman would have to be number two . . . which she didn't want.
Thus she must find such a second woman.
She asked a younger co-worker who talked a lot about sex with her; but this woman said the only three-some she wanted was with two men.
Much later, when it was apparent we weren't going to make it long-term (she was too volatile for me); she told me she still wanted to be sexually involved with me and would accept the second woman role.

But I never wanted a new woman of interest to me to be comparing notes with a previous woman of interest to me . . . so no-go.

Some years later, she entered into second marriage with another UM and told they have a very good sex life . . . but no further details about second woman, etc.

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Another UW told me her husband had several affairs which she 'had' to accept.
And he kept asking for second woman to be involved.
She knew he would find two other women, so she decided to stay involved with him and asked a woman who lived in their apartment building to be second woman.
They had talked about sex quite a bit (the two women)
This woman readily agreed; and they proceeded.
Said it wasn't all that extra exciting for her.
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Re: Japtats Trip report 2
« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2021, 02:39:58 AM »
He likes women around age of 20s. He showed me some of his sugar babe adverts he is thinking of running. He had sugar babes before

He isn't in need of serious relationships , one of his business ventures he wants to run is porn. This is all a hobbie for him he said .


I am about to arrival to the restaurant now , will be a fun night
Yep I was thinking about porn, exactly.
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« Reply #61 on: January 30, 2021, 04:06:00 AM »

Another UW told me her husband had several affairs which she 'had' to accept.
And he kept asking for second woman to be involved.
She knew he would find two other women, so she decided to stay involved with him and asked a woman who lived in their apartment building to be second woman.
They had talked about sex quite a bit (the two women)
This woman readily agreed; and they proceeded.
Said it wasn't all that extra exciting for her.

Pretty common reason

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« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2021, 04:07:25 AM »
Yep I was thinking about porn, exactly.

I can semi relate to the guy , seems like he doesn't value relationships, looks like a chilled out person , who doesn't have something to prove to me . But I don't know if I would invest so much time in his hobbies

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« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2021, 01:31:35 PM »
Yes was my idea, she was initially worried about it. But i reassured her that my emotions for her wouldn't vanish.

It's not about your emotions.  My point was, you initiated this.

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Not hard, she wants to make me happy. Sometimes it is really simple, but you like to make things very confusing and complex. Manage to judge someones past, present, and future simply by what city they were born in. People are very complex, and the pieces move very rapidly, you need a flexible mindset, and the ability to step back and observe from the the distance. Hence why i have treated a range of women very differently, depending on their actions, and not by my desires.

So you getting your rocks off with a third woman is completely normal, and a woman who is not bisexual should do this for you to "make you happy".  Trust me, if you didn't have money in a poor country, she would not acquiesce.  And you even have the audacity to call it "love". LOL.

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Interesting , what position is that?

A foreigner with more money than the average UM.


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Assumptions, you weren't there to witness everything last night ;)
This just proves my point.  You don't know a thing about love.  It's your ego at play, your desires, your wants.  You can fool yourself into believing that you're some great catch. 

I suggest you move into a crappy apartment in a poor area, use nothing but buses, and tell your girl your business has collapsed, she will have to support you if you are to stay.  Do this for an entire year, living on the salary of an average Ukrainian, and see how long she sticks around.
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« Reply #64 on: January 31, 2021, 12:54:17 AM »
Awwwww, you missed the amazing muscles that 99% UM don't have  ;D I really do have the package.

And if I lost everything, I would still be dating the women that I was dating when I was broke.

Thirdly your brain fails to comprehend, or does not want to. I cannot marry two women , so there must be something else .like my muscles , intellect and so on  ;)

Do I believe my income makes a difference? Of course , but I outperform men in the west and Ukraine in multiple areas . Only area I lacked was my income before.
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Re: Japtats Trip report 2
« Reply #65 on: January 31, 2021, 04:38:55 PM »
Awwwww, you missed the amazing muscles that 99% UM don't have  ;D I really do have the package.


Not all women are attracted to muscles.  I never was.  I much prefer the body type of today's Brad Pitt or George Clooney, tallish (5'11" to 6'3") and on the slenderer side. 


There are muscled men in Ukraine as well.  Always were - gyms were very popular in the FSU, and there was a whole subculture of empty headed gym bunnies, of both sexes.

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And if I lost everything, I would still be dating the women that I was dating when I was broke.


You can't know that.    I'm not saying it's impossible, just that you don't know.

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Thirdly your brain fails to comprehend, or does not want to. I cannot marry two women , so there must be something else .like my muscles , intellect and so on  ;)


You can't even commit to one, you've been with her, what, two months(?), and you're already introducing another woman into the relationship. 


I comprehend just fine.  More than you can imagine, actually.

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Do I believe my income makes a difference? Of course , but I outperform men in the west and Ukraine in multiple areas . Only area I lacked was my income before.


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« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2021, 04:51:58 PM »
Brad Pitt & George Clooney are facially pretty boys so they win on that card so don't need to be real worked out. Even still there is a difference between slenderer and slim. I think guys that are too slim get seen as weak, possibly geeky and a bit unattractive to most women, course there are always the outliers ;)

In fairness there are absolutely HUGE guys down in Odessa, I saw a load of them while I was down there. I think that's where the real muscle men tend to go in Ukraine, makes sense as loads of beach babes there in the summer. Saw loads of real hefty muscle bound guys sat outside a few of the bars so if Japs wants competition to compare himself against that would be the place to go, nice place to go in warm spring & summer.
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« Reply #67 on: January 31, 2021, 05:03:59 PM »
I don't agree with that.  One of our sons is slim, 6', probably 140 lbs, and he has girls throwing themselves at him all the time.  His personality type can handle all of the attention.


I don't think it's ever been true that slender men are at a disadvantage, or are seen as "weak".


I am fairly certain there are muscled men all over Ukraine.  There certainly were a lot in Kyiv during the Soviet period.  I imagine it's even more now, as that gym culture expanded after the collapse.







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« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2021, 07:04:56 PM »
I have had genetic pot gut since late 20s.
I asked several FSUW if it bothered them and some said something like: "It's not important."
One in particular said: "Only one of us needs to be slim, and that's me."

I was on beaches in Turkey and Egypt with several FSU gals where there were a ton of FSUM and other European guys with huge bellies.  Not once did the gals make note of this.

Now I am developing quite a bit more fat around middle.

Wife has not complained a bit about it, and certainly is aware as she is scrubbing me down in shower daily.

She once mentioned briefly that first husband was too thin for her taste, so I guess she is willing to go somewhat overboard in opposite direction.
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« Reply #69 on: March 20, 2021, 05:15:18 PM »
Awwwww, you missed the amazing muscles that 99% UM don't have  ;D I really do have the package.

And if I lost everything, I would still be dating the women that I was dating when I was broke.

Thirdly your brain fails to comprehend, or does not want to. I cannot marry two women , so there must be something else .like my muscles , intellect and so on  ;)

Do I believe my income makes a difference? Of course , but I outperform men in the west and Ukraine in multiple areas . Only area I lacked was my income before.

How are things going with you're girl out there Japs?

I've heard Ukraine is now entering a third lockdown and the official virus infection rate has gone up a lot, how are things out there?
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« Reply #70 on: March 25, 2021, 03:03:38 PM »
How are things going with you're girl out there Japs?

She wants to start a family and such, i gave her a slice of my business % wise. She has done a really great job, took me and the business to another level. We had a mini break up a few days ago, as i don't have emotions, and don't want to settle down these days. I am just not in a relationship mood, not her, it is just i don't really need anyone. I am happy coexisting with people.

She was going to move up, we agreed to meetup for 'fun' every few days, but i ended up just telling her to stay. Dating is time consuming.


SInce joining the gym, i regained about 20kg, even look leaner , and get a lot of female attention, if kids in the gym i go to are following me on instagram, and talking about my size and tattoos in russian with trainers hahahaha (Trainers here look bad, apart from one guy).but i knew it was going to happen.


I've heard Ukraine is now entering a third lockdown and the official virus infection rate has gone up a lot, how are things out there?

Pretty bad, there is a lethal variant apparently, a few cities are locked down. We are not sure if a full lockdown will happen again, if it does, there is a gym i know which opens during lock down. Restaurants are also breaking lock down rules, nobody cares. This is ukraine,  bribe someone to look the other way.

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« Reply #71 on: March 25, 2021, 11:56:52 PM »
I do hope you remember you are in Ukraine, where both your business and yourself can disappear when people consider you a burden.
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« Reply #72 on: March 27, 2021, 06:09:00 AM »
What did I say that was offensive? Some men don't want to settle down? Regarding my business ,  I am the face and the star . I am just not that passionate about love as of yet , took me a while to figure it out I guess.
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« Reply #73 on: March 27, 2021, 07:38:55 AM »
What did I say that was offensive? Some men don't want to settle down? Regarding my business ,  I am the face and the star . I am just not that passionate about love as of yet , took me a while to figure it out I guess.
As long as you are honest about that, no problem. But if not. sooner or later someone will remind you that you had to be honest.
Understand that you are in a country where you are supposed to share.
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« Reply #74 on: March 27, 2021, 07:44:07 AM »
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Understand that you are in a country where you are supposed to share.

Share what exactly?

 

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