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Author Topic: What planted the seed in your mind to consider FSUW? What stage are you in now?  (Read 1619 times)

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 I'll start
Stage 1 - Seed planted
After the fall of the SU, I was at an oil drilling conference attended by many FSU oil men. One told me about the great opportunities there for business and finding a bride. At the time I was interested in neither, I didnt want to move overseas and I was living with my girlfriend, even though not marriage material.


Stage 2- Sour grapes
18 months or so later, Im at a party. There is a Russian bride there, who I convinced myself had poor character. She was more beautiful than my GF, not many women were. My conclusion was, to have a beautiful woman, you have to put up with negative traits. I thought to have a family, I would need to find an average girl

Stage 3- Acceptance
My relationship was on its last legs when a friend brings back a beautiful girl from Russia. She was sweet and adorable,  worked hard to be the perfect wife. I immediately sign up with the same agency.

Stage 4- It really is true, these women exist
I met with about 10, before I told the agency I had 3 that I was serious about and I would spend my remaining time with them.

Stage 5- Bringing her home
K1 Visa, she adapted well after a short period of anxiety that there were no bars on the windows. Having my Mom and sisters nearby really helped in this process

Stage 6- Marriage and raising a family
This part went all really well, until after 23 yrs, she kicked me to the curb. I strongly recommend avoiding the divorce part

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What planted the seed in your mind to consider FSUW?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2021, 07:24:59 AM »
I was recently divorced and had always seen these advertisements in my
email about HOT Russian women who would marry a guy and they would
live happily ever after !!!

So I decided to research the subject and after quite a bit of eye popping photos I
found a long forgotten forum. I started reading and reading and reading. I learned
quite a bit (I thought) and read all kinds of trip reports about how all these guys
would go off and horribly fail or find true love or something in between.

I figured that I could do as well as those guys and back then the long forgotten
forum had these advertisements on the side and I figured if they advertised there
then they must be good. (WRONG)

So I signed up on several sites, I got a couple digital photos, slapped together
a profile and I was off and running. I put together an introduction letter and
wrote a bunch of hotties. I also received letters from a bunch as well.

Anyone who wants to read about the 9 year Odyssey that followed can do so
here.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0
« Last Edit: January 12, 2021, 07:34:19 AM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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I made several trips to FSU on business.
I knew that I could 'trade up' with respect to several variables of interest to me with FSUW compared to what I could achieve back in USA.
I knew this because of the serious flirtations directed to me by many FSUW.
So after my divorce from AW (this was in the works for many years and we were living apart), I started my several WMVM trips to FSU.
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After doing my masters, i had a fling with a bulgarian girl in the West. After we split, i researched Bulgarian women, found a dating site (Fdating) for FSUW. I was hooked how easy it was to find wome. Over maybe 8 years i been taking trips to FSU, it has been a really crazy experience. I now been in Ukraine for close to a year (Next month). I am not wife hunting, actually the idea of marriage gives me anxiety. I had women in the West, so marrying a stranger (someone i haven't lived with for a few years), scares me.

I like FSU for the ease it comes to dating, i can focus on the important stuff, such as my work, my fitness, and relationships come after all that. All the women i dated knew this, apart from my ex fiance, is the only person who i put above everything else, and she did the same with me for a time (distance was too large, and i had too many struggles in my life).

I recommend people going to the FSU, you may or may not find love, but you will definitely have experiences. Treat it as fun, and maybe you will find love around the corner. My ex fiance was a time where i was looking for fun, it took me a week before i warmed up to the idea of maybe something serious.
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I'll start
Stage 1 - Seed planted
After the fall of the SU, I was at an oil drilling conference attended by many FSU oil men. One told me about the great opportunities there for business and finding a bride. At the time I was interested in neither, I didnt want to move overseas and I was living with my girlfriend, even though not marriage material.


Stage 2- Sour grapes
18 months or so later, Im at a party. There is a Russian bride there, who I convinced myself had poor character. She was more beautiful than my GF, not many women were. My conclusion was, to have a beautiful woman, you have to put up with negative traits. I thought to have a family, I would need to find an average girl

Stage 3- Acceptance
My relationship was on its last legs when a friend brings back a beautiful girl from Russia. She was sweet and adorable,  worked hard to be the perfect wife. I immediately sign up with the same agency.

Stage 4- It really is true, these women exist
I met with about 10, before I told the agency I had 3 that I was serious about and I would spend my remaining time with them.

Stage 5- Bringing her home
K1 Visa, she adapted well after a short period of anxiety that there were no bars on the windows. Having my Mom and sisters nearby really helped in this process

Stage 6- Marriage and raising a family
This part went all really well, until after 23 yrs, she kicked me to the curb. I strongly recommend avoiding the divorce part

Had you put bars on the windows...
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What planted the seed? I guess when I planted some seed.....🤔

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Why aren't there serious thoughtful responses from 100 or so individuals who visit here ?
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Why aren't there serious thoughtful responses
Mine was serious.

To be frank, I never really thought about it and certainly never developed any "Wife Procurement Plan". Much less, an FSU specific one.

I first visited Moldova, Russia and Latvia as part of an extended trip across Europe, UK, Canada, USA and further south.

Once exposed to new locations and the local folk, one, I guess, tends to widen ones vision and be more prepared to engage with those folk both directly and virtually - I think that's what occurred in my case....🤔

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Mine was serious.

To be frank, I never really thought about it and certainly never developed any "Wife Procurement Plan". Much less, an FSU specific one.

I first visited Moldova, Russia and Latvia as part of an extended trip across Europe, UK, Canada, USA and further south.

Once exposed to new locations and the local folk, one, I guess, tends to widen ones vision and be more prepared to engage with those folk both directly and virtually - I think that's what occurred in my case....🤔

Donít you mean Ďhorizontallyí?   :D

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Donít you mean Ďhorizontallyí?   :D
A potential consequence...🤭

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Why aren't there serious thoughtful responses from 100 or so individuals who visit here ?

I hope this question brings out some of those people

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Had you put bars on the windows...

Even if I wanted to, it was against the Homeowners association rules. She went from living on the 8th floor with bars, to a townhouse with tons of windows and no bars in the USA

This brings up an EXCELLENT issue for discussion. Women need safety, especially during the lawlessness that gripped Russia in the 90s. But Im sure it continues today. Thats why I think US men can still get top notch women, because of our suburbs. The crazy idea that these women were gold diggers was so far from the truth, it was crazy. If they wanted money, plenty in the Russian Mafia. Instead these women wanted a secure place to live and have a family

Ya know Trench, with this Covid thing now, being a UK citizen is a big plus. Because you have far more safety nets than the USA

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I was bored with North American women and their stupid games. I got sick of the illusion. North American women are the best women in the world to date for the first year to a year and a half. They all start out as your dream girl but something happens after a while. You wonder is this the same girl because she stops dressing up and looking hot. She starts putting on weight. When she first came over and your place might have been a little messy and she cleaned it up telling you that being with her would be awesome because she doesnít mind taking care of the place and it will always be clean. Also the first bit into the relationship. She cooked and boy did it taste good and you started thinking. Wow. this girl does it all. She tells you she canít live without sex and needs it 5 times a day and also she acts like a pornstar in the bedroom. But after a while too. The cooking turns into trips to McDonaldís and I want pizza every weekend. The girl who couldnít live without sex now says shes tired or how about we make time for that on the weekend. Soon your going to Walmart and sheís wearing Cookie Monster pajama pants out and about. You really start thinking who the heck is this girl. Her value has decreased considerably but you hope someday just maybe sheíll go back to the way she was in the beginning but that day never comes. But youíve invested a year on this person and care about them but they arenít the same anymore. When your at work and you show a picture of her to a co-worker. They say wow. Sheís really pretty but you forgot to tell them that this was an old picture and thatís not how she looks now because her McDonald and pizza diet has done the damage. So when they see the real her. They are kinda like. Wow. You look different in your picture. Thinking what happened. Did you let yourself go. Soon they start fights and arguments because they love drama and having their self esteem pulverized like itís a drug. Then you get lucky. They want out because they think the grass is greener on the other side.

After itís over you look at every girl you dated in the past and think. Wow. Am I dating the same woman every time except they look different. What are the odds of that because itís true. They all go through the same steps as I mentioned above. Also I could never understand why is it the more Iím mean and treat a girl I care about like garbage. The more she falls more head over heels in love with me. But when I treat her good itís like a huge turn off and boring. Like I said. North American women are the best women to date for the first year or two and then you should drop them because the girl your dating is nothing but an illusion and youíll be fooled after youíve invested time in her where it turns out all the way she was. Wasnít really her.

What got me into Ukrainian women. I had always a thing for former Soviet women. When I heard they were scammers, users, pro daters and green card huntresses. I laughed and thought. Letís do this. This could be a good time. I did a lot of homework such as coming to forums like these and reading trainwreck tales. What were red flags and all the downfalls that could happen. I had read more failures then successes and this made me more interested as the men that failed seemed to not understand how women really work. They didnít take responsibility for their own stupidity and skill. They just used the excuse that they got scammed or got used. After reading posts of went went wrong. You could tell they learned nothing from their failures and gave up to easy. It was like a bunch of white knights thinking that these women just wanted out of Ukraine or Russia and theyíd be like some sort of hero and things would be easy. The joke was on them. Sure you have to go in cocky and arrogant and have a well executed plan. But it just seemed like their first shot was going to go sideways as it should have due to inexperience. Yes these women can be cutthroat but they do write in bold letters that they want a strong man and anything less would be wasting their time and energy. You donít have to be rich or be good looking but it doesnít hurt to have those things as they are just a bonus. After reading and watching documentaryís on my journey. I knew I was ready.

I had read that going on free sites to meet these women were the way to go but to be honest. Those sites tended to attract not the best women. I found a lot of men who met women from Fdating seemed to have the dreaded they got scammed or the women wanted nothing but a free meal if a shopping trip. So I just picked a site that was pay by the month. It wasnít those ones like elenas models or those ones that you know men are just falling in love with a picture and sending money to Boris and the gang. I went to a site that seemed to have more average and ordinary women on there with just normal pictures of how life was for them. Skype was my go to for talking to girls and wow did I love every minute of this journey. Such fascinating women. One thing I loved was that when you first start corresponding with them. Are they ever cold and emotionless. If you thought you were a comedian then think again. Youíll say something a normal person would laugh at. They donít budge or laugh. They may even roll their eyes. Donít mistake their one worded answers as them not interested. You have to think English isnít their first language and they donít just open up to anyone. But once you melt the ice of that beauty queens heart and she finally smiles at you. You know your in for something good. After a few months of talking. I had finally bought a plane ticket and went to Ukraine. I didnít go with the whole meet many girls and decide which one you like the best. I had already chosen the best one. We had talked everyday for a few months and not only was she stunningly beautiful but her personality is incredible. Going over to see her for the first time was the best decision I made in my life. This was the girl I had been searching for my whole life. Weíve been married for 7 years and unlike North American women who get worse and worse as the years go on. I can say that my Ukrainian wife gets better and better every year. I love that she does all the household chores, sheís an amazing cook, very loving and attentive and supports me on everything I do. Doesnít get headaches as she thinks having sex keeps her looking young and beautiful. Hey. Works for me. I could go on and on. If you meet the right Slavic woman. There is no better women on earth.

But you have to put in so much work to get this kind of successful relationship. You have to learn from those that failed before you. You have to have in your head that your going to score the first time you meet and you were the one worth waiting for. Call me crazy but I donít know how men canít see a scammer or a user. If youíve ever dated enough. You know when a girl thinks the world of you. Even these Slavic women show a lot of the same signs as well. So yes. My main reason to go after a FSU girl was because I knew that it would turn out to be the perfect woman I was looking for and my god was I right.


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Why aren't there serious thoughtful responses from 100 or so individuals who visit here ?

Some of the guys have watched men post their answers and get jumped
by the peanut gallery. Some guys are only here as voyeurs, some guys
don't want their wife to find out. Some guys just take information from
here but don't see any advantage to passing the torch.

Some guys are reading this and thinking about posting and your post was
enough to convince them to do it.

Udachi!

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FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Stage 2- Sour grapes

I've had plenty of sour grapes, enough to make vinegar and make sour kraut by
the 50 gallon drum. I like sour kraut but not that much.

The first girl I flew to meet tried an elaborate scam after f#cking my brains out
(her words not mine). Then I had a girl ask me to buy her an $800 coat, that
had not even kissed me yet. When I pointed out that I hadn't gotten kissed yet
she promised to remedy that after I bought her the coat.

I chased some gals who were too young, one of them fell in love with me and
I had the best two weeks of my life, but then she fell out of love with me a
couple weeks later and I was chompin' on those grapes again.

If this was easy everyone would do it

Learn from your mistakes and if possible from those of others.

Udachi!

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FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Udachi!

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FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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I was on Yahoo personals.  Getting about a 1 in 30 response from US ladies there.   One Yahoo response came from a Kyiv lady, who became the 1st lady I met on my 1st trip.  After usual rookie mistakes, more trips followed...  I understand the personals web sites weed out foreign ladies now, but evidently not in 2001.
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I was six and watched a cartoon about Peter and the Wolf and learned about Siberia. I was always fascinated by Russia and the East growing up both conjuring up muscular and intense women and lovely mysterious vixens. I guess is the constant thought of the unknown that created the attraction.

While in a Russian literature class at university this rather strange looking guy kept showing everyone his hot Slavic girlfriend that he had been writing to since the summer before when he went to Bulgaria. If that idiot can find a beautiful woman there who knows what better looking more charming guys like me could do!

Visited Ukraine, Russia, Moldavia and Romania. I was young so I had my pick of the litter. One group of young girls thought I was a movie star. that I've never heard of.  I had to look up that movie star - eh, some resemblance. Found an amazing girlfriend who spoke 5 languages, played the piano, spoke perfect English and looked like she was Grace Kelly's doppelganger but as young men and their testosterone levels are uncontrollable at that age I moved on, and on and on.

Dated Germans, British, Chinese and Thai girls then found an amazing American girl at home. Flash forward three long term relationships and here I am again.

How things have changed. I got scammed. I find fake communications and people.

Maybe I'm destined to be with a Slavic woman. I'd like to take a trip this summer. I'm genuinely interested in Russian and Ukrainian history and literature. I think it is not just that they are beautiful - I think I can date equally lovely women stateside. Perhaps it is the connection to mystery and that global connection.

Like my other thread comically has stated - the people I contact are more responsive now and hopefully once vaccinated and things calm down I'll get to go visit Russia or Ukraine. This time wiser, more thoughtful and purposeful.

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I really wish I would have found this site before I took the plunge to Russia and relationships with Slavic women. It would have saved me a lot grief and confusion. There is a giant cultural difference. Once in awhile you may find a free spirit who acts and thinks like an American gal but Slavic women grew up differently and have a different mindset.

I would meet the occasional American guy at my hotels in Kiev or Moscow or at a cafe. For the longest time I had this preconception of the typical American guy going to Ukraine or Russia but this site has given me a different perspective.

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The seed was firmly planted in my head about going after FSUW as a young boy when I watch James Bond movies. I was in lust.
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There is a giant cultural difference. Once in awhile you may find a free spirit who acts and thinks like an American gal but Slavic women grew up differently and have a different mindset.

Western women have a good income, and look for other things in men , that they consider more important. Way he looks, how good he is in bed. Salvic women will put more emphasis on your income, one thing we have over FSUM. Generally women are women, go to a date with some flowers, or what not, don't split the bill, be financially responsible, if possible dress and look the part, and you are done.

I don't knwo why people overcomplicate this stuff, next thing you see they are reading 'learn russian in 10,000 hours' , so they can say 'Dear, where is the toilet?' in russian, thinking that will get her wetter than November.

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Planned a trip to Germany.

Joined a language oriented pen pal site with no luck.

Met a Canadian guy there who suggested a foreign dating site as a way to practice some basic German phrases.

Joined the site, but failed to learn anything from a young German woman.

Was messaged by a bisexual Russian woman with an interest in my country and more of an interest in women than men. We become pen friends.

She left the site and left me with an interest in Russian culture.

Messaged women from Russia with the hope of a similar friendship. One knew some German too.

She didnít reply for several weeks, but was one of the first to invite me to Skype.

Started a pen friendship with her based on similar circumstances in life and that grew into romantic chemistry and attraction.

Canceled my plans to visit Germany and visited Russia instead and spent a month with a wonderful woman.

Now going on local dates doesnít feel anywhere near as exciting.
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Re: What planted the seed in your mind to consider FSUW?
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2021, 04:06:01 PM »
No worries, threads tend to unravel over time. With Trench it can happen
on post number two.

Yeah, that it's got this far before unraveling is good going really :)

Ok, back to topic, I'll answer as haven't as yet as far as I recall anyway. Well most of my twenties was spent in education, a bit of unemployment, in some employment, etc. So that really left my thirties to get serious about women. I started of in my early thirties doing speed dating, Match.com and POF. All three had just really gotten going and the stigma off online dating and similar was starting to dissipate. Much before then people that did it were generally regarded as either sad, weird or a combination of the two.

I spent a fair bit of time banging out messages, nearly all of which got no reply. I started with the best looking girls and worked my way down to girls I wouldn't normally consider. I had past the point of desperation at that point and a lot of the below par look girls weren't even replying. Apparently all single straight guys were at the same game of banging away on the keyboard night after night. For me it was a game that quickly seemed pointless me carrying on, guy I know found the same.

Out of all my time on there I only met one woman, that is apparently doing quite well many don't manage that. We met she was slim and fairly tall, a talkative but nervous girl, average looks fine to be in a relationship with but no model. I don't think she was ever really comfortable with me we seemed to get on conversationally though but that was all.

Speed dating brought a lot more girls into contact a lot quicker. A fair number of the girls weren't bad looking. I went to four in all but got no joy on any of them, apparently most guys don't. Kind of weird as the girls either seem to be using it as an evening entertainment out or have unrealistic expectations of who they are going to meet. I think they think some guy who is really great socially us going to be there or a guy that is doing even better than their careers. It's kind of synonymous with the broken dating society we live in the west I think. Yes Japs's girl is probably right to some extent in that western women may be seen as great in terms of getting the career, social standing, house/material goods perhaps that they want in like. However, it comes with the downsides of putting themselves out of league with most guys, certainly most guys left at Speed dating. Two that I remember quite well were Doctors (at least they said they were) so high attainment they were reasonably pretty also. Other girls that were somewhat high attainment there also, plenty of Primary School teachers, A Secondary school English teacher jumps to mind, Social workers, etc. One Speed dating night had less so, office workers etc and the like not sure why an abundance turned up on certain nights, think some took their friends along so it tipped it to certain professions.

So yes the problem tends to be there that it exemplifies problems in the western dating market. Women are unsatisfied with the guys on offer (most guys looked fine on these nights apart from the odd obviously strange one). The guys though not real bad don't/can't match up to the woman's expectations in terms of social standing, socially, career wise, economically, etc. The women have essentially made a rod for their own back in doing so well. The guys who are likely mostly pretty decent to many Ukrainian girl are out of the league of western women. It's like Jordan Peterson says women date across or upwards. If you have a load of guys who do well enough for themselves but just a bit under the women then they don't want to know. You basically have to really excel as a guy in the west and likely not get as good a woman.

I think in general yeah a lot of guys going out to the FSU are probably do because they fall down in some area apart from those previously married possibly. It doesn't mean that they are real bad or total oddballs that are sometimes depicted I think it is just more common that they aren't scoring highly enough in one category or another. Sure there is the whole emotional connection thing but a guy has to at first get a look in the door. So stuff like wealth, physical fitness, facial looks, good job, social skills, etc come into play here. Most guys won't score high in any of these, they may be generally decent guys with a good average in most of them but not scoring a high mark in one will mean girls in the west won't rate them, many girls in the FSU may similarly not rate them, but they can't least get dates with them there.

So yeah just a bit after midway through my thirties after hitting a brick wall in trying to date in the west I kind of went to FSU dating by default as the only place left to look without going somewhere exotic. Dating in the UK obviously wasn't working which just left dating elsewhere. I think my case is that I draw a lot of average scores and as yet to date no big one, average looks, average wealth (some might say below average ;) ) average physical form, in fairness probably below average social skills, etc, etc. I've done some work to shift some of them just need to do more work to shift it a bit more. Wealth is the one a lot of guys go for, I can see why particularly at the moment it's what a lot of Ukrainian girls will want but to me it's something that can leave a guy in a bad place if not careful. The gym is all very fine but as soon as the guy stops going it's not too long before things start to deteriorate. So I think other areas are work a look also so as the woman is not just feeling that the guy is good for his money and nothing else. That I don't think would be good for either couple in a relationship.
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