Afghanistan

[BillyB]

Doesn't seem like he is out to impress anyone, even you, but instead simply telling it like it is.  I like that a lot better than one who is only out to impress folks about himself.

Maybe if you had your life uprooted today over a bad decision and had to leave everything behind while scrambling to take your family to an airport you'd change your mind. You're engulfed with fear so bad that hanging on to the exterior of a plane is not as bad as facing the Taliban. If that is the kind of chaotic life bad management had brought you, you'd still respect them if they're not out to impress you. There's a lot of Afghanis that would love to trade places with you. They would love to be in a place of freedom and have security for their families. Even if you don't care about the Afghanis, can you at least criticize Biden for creating the chaos that allowed for no masks or social distancing which created a super spreader event?

[BC]

Biden can make a thousand more mistakes of this magnitude and tell us a thousand times the buck stops with him but it won't impress me once.

Doesn't seem like he is out to impress anyone, even you, but instead simply telling it like it is.  I like that a lot better than one who is only out to impress folks about himself.

Maybe if you had your life uprooted today over a bad decision and had to leave everything behind while scrambling to take your family to an airport you'd change your mind. You're engulfed with fear so bad that hanging on to the exterior of a plane is not as bad as facing the Taliban. If that is the kind of chaotic life bad management had brought you, you'd still respect them if they're not out to impress you. There's a lot of Afghanis that would love to trade places with you. They would love to be in a place of freedom and have security for their families. Even if you don't care about the Afghanis, can you at least criticize Biden for creating the chaos that allowed for no masks or social distancing which created a super spreader event?

At least when replying try to keep it somewhat related and in context, along with not trying to put words in my mouth.

[tfcrew]

Yup. Trump was supposed to be an A student, no? I supported him too when he pretty much did the same in Syria.
I don’t remember you huffing and puffing then. Why is that? LMAO!

Again...I am a phantom evil Trump supporter? If you did not observe any post [of mine] supporting the Kurdish cause--- it is not because I didn't support them. Perhaps I was on hiatus at the time I did find your comment...

Turkey is a NATO ally. Period. We didn't belong in Syria to begin with....It's time for the USA to get out of these worldwide policing habit and let the United Nation handle all these global messes.....If the Turks want to attack the Kurds, then let the UN force see to it that it doesn't happen. Period. I'm fully with TRUMP.

Fact is...the UN does nothing but take our US money also. A review of the deal in Turkey----
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Turkish_offensive_into_north-eastern_Syria

[GQBlues]

So to my mind the big mistake here really lies with Bush and his decision to go into Afghanistan.

Pretty good write-up, TC, although that remark isn’t accurate. The invasion of Afghanistan was supported by nearly 100% of Americans as 911 was the single biggest attack against the US on American soil. While no diplomacy was exercised prior to the invasion since the US, and most of the world, didn’t  recognized Talibans’ rule as legitimate, the US still exercised warnings and request for the Taliban to hand-over OBL, and oust Al-Qeada from their land. Mullah Omar and the Talibans refused.

The mistake Bush made was, now known as the ‘original sin’, after the fall of Kabul (Talibans main stronghold) and considered ‘defeated’ in December 2001, a meeting was held for what is known as the Bonn Agreement, it was regarding the course to be taken in post-Taliban Afghanistan. The US administration rejected both having the Talibans attend that meeting, and denied safe passage for Mullah Omar in Kandahar and grant him amnesty so he can then continue ‘live in dignity’. Omar was largely regarded as a national hero for his fight against the Soviet as a Muhajideen.

As a result, 2002-2005/6 saw insurgency violence increased in multiple fold. Coalition forces stayed for the fight, and nation building kicked in.

2007 onward, in the midst of fighting and nation-building, various peace negotiations were being discussed constantly.

Second biggest mistake, in 2010 a brokered peace deal, ushered by then-president Karzai, between the Afghan Government, Talibans and the US (under Clinton’s blessing) was about to begin when the Obama administration (likely seeing the success achieved in Bush’s surge in Iraq) approved a military surge in Afghanistan while the talks were ongoing. This was opposed by then-VP Biden. Peace talks was abandoned, violence continued.

Ghani was elected president, and while he is credited with the peace deal made in 2016 against the second biggest militant group, Hizb-i-Islami Gulbudin, opposed to the occupation, he had also wasted an opportunity to rid of the warlords in the Hazara sector. The younger generation had protested against the violence and wanted to change their leadership which were financially supported by Iran. Ghani refused the demand of the movement which could’ve rid of the warlords, and brought support for the Afghan government. There were a few leaked cables that proved this.

Here are at least 2.
http://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/10KABUL439_a.html
http://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08KABUL3097_a.html

This is one of the reasons that soured the US’s relationship and confidence with Ghani. Maybe even as far as disrespecting his decision-making style. Bringing forth the attitude of the eventual Doha peace deal between the US and the Taliban that was signed Feb. 29, 2020.

The peace deal was for the most part a transition of power in Afghanistan and the withdrawal of the US and coalition troops. In exchange, the Talibans ceases all violence against US personnel, the coalition and all its citizens. The Afghan government was not a party to this deal, but it was also conditioned that the deal includes continued negotiation in good faith between the Taliban and the Afghan government.

In less than a month, March 2020, talks between Ghani’s administration and The Taliban began. Exchange of prisoners negotiation created more than a huge hurdle that resulted in violence.

Lisa Curtis, Trump admin’s National Security Council’s Sr. Director for S/C Asia, once declared, the Doha Peace Deal was in fact weak and unfair to the Afghan government. She felt the US should’ve demanded more concessions from the Taliban. She remarked that the US should not have entered the Doha talks unless the US were prepared to represent the Afghan government’s interest. As it was, no one was looking out for the Afghan government’s interest.

The US, under Trump, simply wanted the deal so we can get out of there. The ensuing peace deal talks between Ghani and Taliban failed, and it took another 14 months of delay and violence. With the withdrawal date coming, the US pressured Ghani to strike deals with the Talibans he didn’t agree with. Likely causing the huge drop on morale and trust of the Afghan government by and large. Resulting in the immediate Taliban takeover we all witnessed.

Chris Miller, interim secretary said the Biden admin. have a clause on that deal, and that if he wanted to he can withdraw from the deal if no peace deal was struck between Ghani and the Taliban. That’s just simply bullshit.

Just yesterday, he alleges that the Trump administration didn't really have plans to completely pull the troops out of Afghanistan. Instead, he said, they always planned on keeping troops there as a counter terrorism force. The plan to fully withdraw was supposed to just be a 'ruse' to force Ghani to make the bitter deal with the Taliban. What a moron!!!

...the president’s public promise to finish withdrawing U.S. forces by May 1, as negotiated with the Taliban, was actually a “play” that masked the Trump administration’s true intentions: to convince Afghan President Ashraf Ghani to quit or accept a bitter power-sharing agreement with the Taliban, and to keep some U.S. troops in Afghanistan for counterrorism missions.

http://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/08/trumps-pledge-exit-afghanistan-was-ruse-his-final-secdef-says/184660/

If Biden reneged from the deal, it’ll guarantee war will again breakout, and the US and allies will need to refill the country with troops and thereby prolonging the occupation. Biden played the only hand dealt for him by his predecessor. Like Trump, he wanted out of Afghanistan.

The Talibans rapid takeover of the country not only surprised the US, but also the UK, Germany and Russia.

The militants involved in the takeover include factions of Al Qeada of the Sub-Indian continent.

Chew on that puppy. Circled back to zero.

[2tallbill]

Shoulda this, shoulda that, monday morning quarterbacking.  Biden had the guts to do what no other president in the past 20 years did.  He exited the US from Afghanistan.  Nothing nowadays goes according to plan. 

Fathertime!

I got you, he meant well and you don't care if he totally f#cked up.

There are 15,000 Americans trapped because of him. There have
been 2,311 deaths of Americans in Afghanistan in twenty years
but you don't care about the 15,000 Americans.

There are 15,000 Americans trapped. That isn't Monday
morning quarterbacking, that is a f#ck up of catastrophic
proportions. This is impeachment, removal from office, this is
bigger than the Japanese invasion of Pearl Harbor

[BillyB]

There are 15,000 Americans trapped because of him.

Today's WH press briefing asked the press secretary how many American's need saving and press secretary couldn't answer the question. They really don't know how many Americans they need to help but we know it's an embarrassing number. I've heard estimates in the range from 10K-40K Americans need rescuing. They did admit to currently evacuating thousands of Afghans for every 100 Americans. Citizens and our military equipment should have been pulled out calmly before pulling the troops.


I think the Taliban is going to play nice with American citizens. They surround the airport but so far they're letting our citizens pass through unharmed. They could easy kill tens of thousands of Americans and European citizens trapped throughout the country. This disaster could turn out much worse for Biden if the Taliban wants. The Taliban, not Biden, is in control of how bad this can end and how much more harm can be done to America's reputation.


Taliban has now seized 40 of our aircraft and 2000 vehicles. Some choppers are stealth so they will sell that technology to China and Russia. People have spliced together what Biden said 10 days ago. Reporters told him the intelligence community warns the Afghan government will fall and the embassy will be overrun. Biden replied the Afghan army won't fall because they have one of the strongest armies in the world and you won't see choppers evacuating people from the embassy like what happened in Vietnam.

[tfcrew]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/15-000-americans-remain-afghanistan-after-taliban-takeover-n1277033

[fathertime]

I got you, he meant well and you don't care if he totally f#cked up.

There are 15,000 Americans trapped because of him. There have
been 2,311 deaths of Americans in Afghanistan in twenty years
but you don't care about the 15,000 Americans.

If this series of events would have happened under trump, your comments would have been completely different.  The people left behind would have been bleeding hearts liberals.  You would have blamed the 'leftist intelligence community', all out to get trump.  You would have exclaimed the media is overreporting and sensationalizing the whole thing.    I think biden explained pretty well what is going on.  Overall, it isn't ideal, but not the disaster you are attempting to make it out to be.  Mostly political theater, somewhat entertaining reading the partisan silliness. 



Fathertime! 

[2tallbill]

I think the Taliban is going to play nice with American citizens.

Why? Because they have been sweet and kind in the past?

[GQBlues]

For those that wondered why this administration, specifically Pres. Joe Biden, is catching all the heat for this withdrawal from Afghanistan, LMAO...follow the money and wonder no more...

...The United States insisted on the country’s security architecture but has retrenched from its willingness to pay for it. Since 2014, Washington has provided about 75 percent of the $5 billion to $6 billion per year needed to fund the Afghan National Security Forces while the remainder of the tab was picked up U.S. partner nations and the Afghan government. However, for fiscal year 2021, the U.S. Congress appropriated around $3 billion for Afghanistan’s fighting forces, the lowest amount since fiscal year 2008. This diminution of U.S. support came after Afghan President Ashraf Ghani said his government cannot support its army for even six months without U.S. financial aid.

Although much of the U.S. expenditures pertained to defense, the United States has ostensibly invested in other sectors of Afghan governance. As of June 30, the United States has spent about $144.98 billion in funds for reconstruction and related activities in Afghanistan since fiscal year 2002, including $88.61 billion for security (including $4.6 billion for counternarcotic initiatives); $36.29 billion for governance and development (including $4.37 billion for counternarcotic initiatives); $4.18 billion for humanitarian aid; and $15.91 billion for agency operations.

Although these numbers are staggering, much of U.S. investment did not stay in Afghanistan. Because of heavy reliance on a complex ecosystem of defense contractors, Washington banditry, and aid contractors, between 80 and 90 percent of outlays actually returned to the U.S. economy. Of the 10 to 20 percent of the contracts that remained in the country, the United States rarely cared about the efficacy of the initiative. Although corruption is rife in Afghanistan, the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction repeatedly identifies bewildering corruption by U.S. firms and individuals working in Afghanistan.

In many cases, U.S. firms even defrauded Afghans. In 2010, one military official with the International Security Assistance Force explained to New York Times journalist Carlotta Gall that “without being too dramatic, American contractors are contributing to fueling the insurgency.”


As it neglected to tackle Pakistan and tried to do security on the cheap, Washington also strong-armed the Afghan government it into so-called “peace talks” with the Taliban. More than anyone, the Afghan government understood the Taliban and their Pakistani handlers could not be trusted to honor their commitments, such as they were.

The spectacle of the peace talks was important in Washington, which hoped to create a fiction of power transition to cover the process of a negotiated U.S. defeat. There was genuinely nothing to discuss: The Afghan government was committed to constitutional rule of law—including elections, howsoever problematic—while the Afghan Taliban were committed to overturning the constitution and opposed elections as non-Islamic. The Taliban used the spectacle of the peace process as a recuperative retreat to revivify and emplace their forces while stashing weapons as they awaited U.S. withdrawal.

As the sham of peace talks faltered in March 2020, the Trump administration threated to withhold $2 billion in assistance if the Afghan government didn’t return to the negotiation table. Equally appalling, the United States forced the Ghani government to release more than 5,000 hardened Taliban prisoners in return for hundreds of government officials taken captive by the Taliban. Many of these released prisoners are now leading the current offense. The United States also pressured Ghani to postpone or even cancel the 2019 presidential elections in a bid to mollify the Taliban’s demands that the government be dissolved as a condition of peace and be replaced with an interim government in which the Taliban had a stake, which Ghani rightly refused.

The United States walked out of Afghanistan in 1990 and made Pakistan the custodian of Afghanistan’s future. Today, it is repeating the same mistake. When the Taliban once again transform Afghanistan into a base of operations for modern Islamist terrorist organizations, Washington will only have itself to blame....

http://foreignpolicy.com/2021/08/16/pakistan-united-states-afghanistan-taliban/

This article clearly echoed the book by Anand Gopal: No Good Men Among the Living: America, the Taliban, and the War Through Afghan Eyes

There is a machinery that is behind what we do, and it keeps us participating in the conflict because it generates wealth. More precisely, it transfers wealth from the taxpayer to others, destroying wealth in the aggregate.

All the more reason I applaud and support President Joe Biden for having the political courage to finally put an end to this madness.

And for those corrupt civilian contractors that immorally milked this war, and indirectly stole from the very delusioned citizens who are now concerned for their welfare (LMAO), best make sure you guys get your fat butts out of there alive. If not, well, that's the cost of doing business with the devil.

[GQBlues]

Today's WH press briefing asked the press secretary how many American's need saving and press secretary couldn't answer the question. They really don't know how many Americans they need to help but we know it's an embarrassing number. I've heard estimates in the range from 10K-40K Americans need rescuing.They did admit to currently evacuating thousands of Afghans for every 100 Americans. Citizens and our military equipment should have been pulled out calmly before pulling the troops.


I think the Taliban is going to play nice with American citizens. They surround the airport but so far they're letting our citizens pass through unharmed. They could easy kill tens of thousands of Americans and European citizens trapped throughout the country. This disaster could turn out much worse for Biden if the Taliban wants. The Taliban, not Biden, is in control of how bad this can end and how much more harm can be done to America's reputation.


Taliban has now seized 40 of our aircraft and 2000 vehicles. Some choppers are stealth so they will sell that technology to China and Russia. People have spliced together what Biden said 10 days ago. Reporters told him the intelligence community warns the Afghan government will fall and the embassy will be overrun. Biden replied the Afghan army won't fall because they have one of the strongest armies in the world and you won't see choppers evacuating people from the embassy like what happened in Vietnam.

LMAO!

http://twitter.com/Public_Citizen/status/1427622847443243009


I do not think the *complex* is hardly even and remotely as concerned as you.

[BillyB]

LMAO!

http://twitter.com/Public_Citizen/status/1427622847443243009


I do not think the *complex* is hardly even and remotely as concerned as you.

With stealth choppers, radar, drones and other technology getting into Russia and China's hands helping them become our equals, the 'complex' will get new contracts to create equipment that will keep us ahead of our advisaries.


With war winding down, the new scam is with experimental vaccines they plan on giving us multiple times each year, every year forever that can't stop COVID. Trump yesterday called the third vaccine in less than a year a money maker for big pharma. I bet with colder months coming, we'll be getting a double shot of vaccines and triple masks for Christmas!


While refugees are getting free flights to America, American citizens must pay $2000+ for their flight home. What a nice surprise after getting their lives instantly turned upside down.


Biden Admin Tells Americans Stranded In Afghanistan To Pay For Their Own Flights Home (thefederalist.com)

[GQBlues]

While refugees are getting free flights to America, American citizens must pay $2000+ for their flight home. What a nice surprise after getting their lives instantly turned upside down.


Biden Admin Tells Americans Stranded In Afghanistan To Pay For Their Own Flights Home (thefederalist.com)

But I thought bleeding hearted partisan hacks were in pieces watching the plight of these refugees? Are you referring to those who hung on the landing gears? It’s free after all according to you, no? Why should they be charged anything. It’s pretty dangerous being out of a flying plane, don’t you  think?

As for the $2,000.00 fare you claim Biden wants to charge them ‘Americans’, that’s nice of him to get them off awfully cheap. Methinks their respective companies who bilked US taxpayers untold billions ought to rescue those idiots themselves, or better yet let them fend for themselves. I’m sure they’re all fat enough to afford bribing their own ways back home.

“Whose lives were turned upside down”. Now that was funny! You should think about a career as a comedian, BillyB.

[fathertime]

With stealth choppers, radar, drones and other technology getting into Russia and China's hands helping them become our equals, 

Our equals?  For all we know they are probably already past that.  Depends on who you believe more. 
In addition, I don't believe for a moment the US left behind cutting edge technology, unless we intentionally chose to, and I doubt that was the case.   Biden got us out of Afghanistan, despite the desperate partisan efforts to spin it otherwise, that is going to be a plus next election cycle, and rightfully so. 

Fathertime! 

[BillyB]

Methinks their respective companies who bilked US taxpayers untold billions ought to rescue those idiots themselves, or better yet let them fend for themselves. I’m sure they’re all fat enough to afford bribing their own ways back home.

You have a jaded view of everything except for Biden right now. An English teacher or nurse working in a remote village isn't getting rich. If they worked in Afghanistan and had to keep their income in an Afghan bank, it's all lost now. My MIL worked in Libya during their civil war. As a foreigner, she had to deposit her earnings in a Libyan bank instead of a bank in Ukraine. She lost it all after fleeing the war. The Ukrainian government sent a military plane into Tripoli and picked her and my wife up for free. You like comedians? The world has got to be laughing at us for charging our own citizens to get out due to a condition Biden caused.

[tfcrew]

  I don't believe for a moment the US left behind cutting edge technology, unless we intentionally chose to, and I doubt that was the case.

You seem to have doubts when others don't and don't when others do. I think I will go with professional news reports.
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Billions in US weaponry seized by Taliban

By Rebecca Kheel - 08/19/21 06:00 AM EDT

Billions of dollars of U.S. weapons are now in the hands of the Taliban following the quick collapse of Afghan security forces that were trained to use the military equipment.
Among the items seized by the Taliban are Black Hawk helicopters and A-29 Super Tucano attack aircraft.
Photos have also circulated of Taliban fighters clutching U.S.-made M4 carbines and M16 rifles instead of their iconic AK-47s. And the militants have been spotted with U.S. Humvees and mine-resistant ambush protected vehicles.
While it’s virtually impossible to operate advanced aircraft without training, seizing the hardware gives the militants a propaganda boost and underscores the amount of wasted funds on U.S. military efforts in Afghanistan over the last 20 years.
“When an armed group gets their hands on American-made weaponry, it's sort of a status symbol. It's a psychological win,” said Elias Yousif, deputy director of the Center for International Policy’s Security Assistance Monitor.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/568493-billions-in-us-weaponry-seized-by-taliban
August 19, 202111:59 AM CDTLast Updated 11 hours ago

Aerospace & DefensePlanes, guns, night-vision goggles: The Taliban's new U.S.-made war chest

   
Military vehicles transferred by the U.S. to the Afghan National Army in February 2021.   Afghanistan Ministry of Defense/via REUTERS
http://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/planes-guns-night-vision-goggles-talibans-new-us-made-war-chest-2021-08-19/

[GQBlues]

You have a jaded view of everything except for Biden right now. An English teacher or nurse working in a remote village isn't getting rich. If they worked in Afghanistan and had to keep their income in an Afghan bank, it's all lost now. My MIL worked in Libya during their civil war. As a foreigner, she had to deposit her earnings in a Libyan bank instead of a bank in Ukraine. She lost it all after fleeing the war. The Ukrainian government sent a military plane into Tripoli and picked her and my wife up for free. You like comedians? The world has got to be laughing at us for charging our own citizens to get out due to a condition Biden caused.

Damn right I’m jaded over the longest war that had no reason to be other than corrupt institution sucking up US taxpayers money to the tune of $300 million f@cking dollars PER DAY for the past 20 damned years!!!

Wake up Billy! You keep sampling these tear jerking anecdotal without remotely giving pause and consider all the casualties both sides suffered all those years. Your silly partisan hacking got you so lost in your own delusional view of this stupid, stupid conflict, and your continued daily consumption of fake news these network had been feeding you is truly unfortunate.

The only thing Biden caused was finally end the saga of likely one of the biggest extortion orchestrated by our own military complex that thousands had paid dearly in blood. You haven’t the slightest idea of that which you think you know.

[tfcrew]

Biden got us out of Afghanistan, despite the desperate partisan efforts to spin it otherwise, that is going to be a plus next election cycle, and rightfully so.

  "Biden got us out of Afghanistan"....If he performed brain surgery with pliers and a hammer...one could say 'at least he did the surgery'. It is not [for the umpteenth time in this thread] what was done but how it was done. It was not a plus and I am afraid of all the minuses yet to come.

...the longest war that had no reason to be other than corrupt institution sucking up US taxpayers money to the tune of $300 million

I believe the figure to be much more---
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/afghan-war-cost-us-2-trillion-interest-will-pinch-every-american-101629179737345.html

[tfcrew]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/15-000-americans-remain-afghanistan-after-taliban-takeover-n1277033

Why so many? Who were these people and what were they doing there??

[BillyB]

Damn right I’m jaded over the longest war that had no reason to be other than corrupt institution sucking up US taxpayers money to the tune of $300 million f@cking dollars PER DAY for the past 20 damned years!!!

Wake up Billy! You keep sampling these tear jerking anecdotal without remotely giving pause and consider all the casualties both sides suffered all those years. Your silly partisan hacking got you so lost in your own delusional view of this stupid, stupid conflict, and your continued daily consumption of fake news these network had been feeding you is truly unfortunate.

The only thing Biden caused was finally end the saga of likely one of the biggest extortion orchestrated by our own military complex that thousands had paid dearly in blood. You haven’t the slightest idea of that which you think you know.

Wake up GQ. Even Trump isn't as dumb to do what just happened and what you approved of. Although your family wasn't affected, other people's lives are at stake and a responsible world leader needs to consider that. Trump had a peace deal in plan. No soldier was killed in the last year and a half. The plan was working. With the exception of going after a few terror cells, the fighting stopped. Trump had us down to 2500 troops which maintained the peace. The war was over and winding down. The Taliban was showing they could stop fighting and cooperate. They were having meetings with our officials. When Biden showed up, they were having meetings with China. China would be happy to do the mining of the world's largest lithium reserves. As we are going to be forced into driving electric cars, China would love to be able to make money off us or cripple us in a future conflict being in control of the batteries. Also terror cells would be allowed to grow in Afghanistan. They've tried truck bombs and airplanes on the World trade center. They may graduate to dirty nuke bombs.




Canadian PM went on tv and announced he called Hillary to talk about issues over there. Nobody wants to talk to a guy who put their citizens in danger or maybe they want to talk to Biden's boss.


The UK parliament voted to hold Biden in contempt.


UK commander trying to evacuate his citizens gets into shouting match with US commander.


America has not shown itself to be the big man who can lead after putting other nations citizens in danger besides our own. Pure stupidity to the point we have to give thanks to the Taliban for not mowing our citizens down as then attempt to get to the airport. Other nations will take matters into their own hands and maybe go do business with Russia or China. Our weakness will increase chance of war elsewhere. China been hostile with Taiwan to check our response. Doesn't matter if things escalate everywhere. Biden will tell us the buck stops with him and we'll be okay with that.

[GQBlues]

Why so many? Who were these people and what were they doing there??

Just for Afghanistan...here's a partial list:

http://www.glassdoor.com/Explore/top-companies-afghanistan_IL.14,25_IN7.htm

There had been so many articles over the years the MSN just never publicize to keep the bleeding hearted partisan hacks silent:

http://www.marketplace.org/2021/08/16/military-contractors-and-the-profits-of-war/

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/03/07/the-man-who-made-millions-off-the-afghan-war

So many of samples are all over except from media the likes of BillyB relies on for gospel. America's overall consciousness are directly driven by the mainstream media and crony politicians. Unfortunate the majority of our population are so insular that it really doesn't take much to subject them to some silly reality the power behind the media wants them to see and believe.

With a slight diligence, you can find so many of these cases outside the reporting purview by the MSM. But can you imagine had cases like gets televised at prime time everyday? BillyB would be in a frenzy crying foul!!

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/united-states-files-suit-against-dyncorp-international-alleging-submission-false-claims-under
http://www.law360.com/articles/1389951/dyncorp-wants-35m-fca-overcharging-case-tossed

You folks wonder why and how our public servants, who call themselves politicians, become so damn rich when they finally leave their offices that they can afford multi-million dollar seaside homes in Martha's Vineyard, for example.

LMAO, it isn't an accident nor a coincidence that the Obamas and the Bushs have all of the sudden became BFF!

[GQBlues]

Wake up GQ. Even Trump isn't as dumb to do what just happened and what you approved of.

 

[2tallbill]

If this series of events would have happened under trump, your comments would
have been completely different.
Fathertime!

You are making a ridiculous claim. Never before in American history has an American
president accidentally or purposely abandoned 15,000 US citizens to such a perilous
situation.

[2tallbill]

The biggest mistake I think was going into Afghanistan in the first place.

If you do a 9-11 event against the USA, the USA will come knocking on your door no
matter where you are. Mars is not too far away. The Day Bin Laden was killed, I would
have supported moving out.

[fathertime]

You are making a ridiculous claim. Never before in American history has an American
president accidentally or purposely abandoned 15,000 US citizens to such a perilous
situation.

sure ,sure  your use of abandoned is a grand and partisan attempt to paint this situation inaccurately.   Overall the withdrawal isn't going nearly as badly as you would probably like to be.  Those that are on the right wing and hopelessly partisan will just have to live with the fact that Biden is the one who is following through.   

I was on the road and caught Biden's remarks today.  He sounded extremely coherent overall.  Not the stumbling old man you have been attempting to make him out to be.  His administration may will wind up with events in the negative coloumn but this particular event will be seen as a win overall. 
Fathertime!