How to know if FSW in general are right for you?

[ML]

Why are you asking such questions? You haven’t got an FSW nor are you likely to get one so there’s zero benefit to you.

Hey John, let's don't be so rude.
Just because TC asked the question, doesn't mean answers won't have some value for others to read.

Wife and I almost never argue.

Now, we have had serious disagreements, a few which have nearly ended our relationship.

But we didn't argue about these items.  We just had such serious divergence of ideas/goals, that no amount of arguing or even rational discussion could provide any help.

I barely remember the circumstance or how it was resolved . . . but I never have, nor never will engage in protracted arguments with anyone.

[ML]

Speaking on the topic of arguments . . .

One interesting aspect of our relationship has been political leanings.

I had never encouraged wife to register to vote.
My reasoning was that most of her EE friends seem to be left leaning and I had fears that she would be also.
I could never really live with someone who actively espoused political opinions directly opposed to my own.
I think that many from FSU are left leaning just because they were in a system where the government provided most all services (whether poorly or not) and they sort of like the idea that some system will take care of them.

But in the last couple of years I have been pleased to notice that she seems to be quite negative toward left leaning politicians and their policies.

Today in watching the news shows she became quite vocal about her unhappiness that so much money is being and will be provided to those who are not working.

She told me (for not the first time) very loudly how she worked 3 jobs during the 90s and 2000s in Ukraine when the economy went into the crapper, to keep food on the table.

She then said she was ready to register to vote.
So I told her we would get that taken care of.

[John Gaunt]

Hey John, let's don't be so rude.
Just because TC asked the question, doesn't mean answers won't have some value for others to read.

I’m not being rude. I do, however, get tired of reading TC’s constant negativity towards FSUW.
Since they’re all such money grabbing, argumentative jaded con artists, out to fleece every bloke (according to TC), why is he even on this forum?

[Trenchcoat]

I’m not being rude. I do, however, get tired of reading TC’s constant negativity towards FSUW.
Since they’re all such money grabbing, argumentative jaded con artists, out to fleece every bloke (according to TC), why is he even on this forum?

I wouldn't be writing it if it wasn't what I was finding as I would have no reason too. Why are there some girls on dating sites such as Fdate, EM, etc that are in their twenties willing to date guys my age and older? Why are there even more Filipino girls willing to do the same or older still?

The answer is usually that they are looking for a wealthy comfortable lifestyle or they are looking for an guy to use as an immigration mule possibly upgrading thereafter. I can't possibly think that these girls really want to be in a marriage and have kids with a guy out of finding what they feel as true love.

I personally think now that anyone doing online dating whether in their home country or abroad has a motive. I think motive is an inherent part of someone putting themselves forward for online dating, a reason for doing so that goes beyond avoiding loneliness or looking for love. That it pushes people to think of motives beyond that in doing so. Like how attractive looking the person they envision, or how wealthy, comfortable lifestyle, height, physique, social life, etc, etc. It's not like real life when we go out not looking to meet anyone but then just happen upon someone. If that someone catches our eye although there may still be a subconscious thought of whether they are the type of person that person likes there isn't really any motive it just happened by chance.

I've been on Tinder recently with my good photo and to be honest it's brought back all the reasons I look abroad. Aside from the odd few fatties and women I don't find attractive, women with kids, career girls, etc yes there are quite a few attractive women on there in their late thirties and early forties, I swipe on them but no joy. I found out recently from a girl that she when on Tinder and got 2000 likes in a month, I got about 2 after a night of swiping for 2-3 hours. It's just ridiculous. Then they complain that the guys they hook up with just want sex, yeah the pretty boys they hook up with lol.

So yeah I don't hold much stock in any women really. I just can't trust them. Get the right one and it may work but so many just give me the impression they could do more harm to my life than good at the moment. Women with motives everywhere. I'm not even sure if I could get on with the hobbies or interests she may have. FSW well argumentative might be a bit far but I think many ate obstinate is the word I think most correctly describes them and that with many guys can lead quickly to arguments. I think the input from the guys above tend to substantiate this. I think it sounds like ML does well by not playing into moments when their obstinate behaviour comes up. Some other guys may have gotten lucky by landing a FSW who does not have this obstinate behaviour but I think it's a common trait they have particularly those left International Dating.

Now you can perhaps tell us how you found FSW if you like JG? My guess is that you will tell us your marriage is a bed of roses, perfumed scent every day, but what about the other girls you met while you were looking in the FSU?

[Boethius]

The problem, Trench, is you.  Sure, dating sites use superficial things in screening, but it's no less superficial than say, meeting someone in a bar.

Of course FSUW looking for foreigners expect a step up in their living.  They wouldn't be moving half way across the globe for a downgrade in lifestyle.  Is there anything wrong in that?

[Trenchcoat]

The problem, Trench, is you.  Sure, dating sites use superficial things in screening, but it's no less superficial than say, meeting someone in a bar.

Of course FSUW looking for foreigners expect a step up in their living.  They wouldn't be moving half way across the globe for a downgrade in lifestyle.  Is there anything wrong in that?

I wouldn't say that living with me would be a downgrade in lifestyle my terrace, ahem, townhouse is still better than a concrete block Soviet era flat. I'm also not half way around the globe, not even a quarter of the way from Ukraine, in fact it's just a three hour journey by plane.

I know they have something more grand in mind even in that circumstance of not being that far from Ukraine, at least the pretty ones do. The younger ones that are not so pretty maybe not the older ones possibly not though I tend to get the impression that they are after a pension plan.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with them wanting more into the bargain, but I don't think they are at all likely to get it. Most wealthy guys here will go for the pretty girls, those that are wealthy and can't get the pretty girls here will either go for the not so pretty girls or none at all if they are put off by their wealth attracting women and not themselves. Only a very small few will try abroad, the number is probably so small that their odds of landing a rich guy is pretty slim. Remember other countries the rich guy may go to also.

FSU Dating on paper at least may not work so great for me but it's still got more go in it than dating at home. Dating scene at home is just appalling. It's why you're getting Incels in the younger generation it's gotten so bad. Why it's got so atrocious for us men I don't know. So at the moment the FSU Dating thing remains the best option though I really have my doubts if it would work.

Why apart from looks I'm not very dateable I don't know. I'm apparently everyday average looks though some girls would of course not rate me well there. I'm 6ft tall, still a full head of brown hair which at early to mid forties isn't doing bad. I'm not badly aging or anything. I can talk to people though I'm not the world's best socializer. I'm average build, not overweight or anything.

Ok I'm no Hollywood film star, no hot looking model guy, not a real wealthy guy but let's face it many people aren't. I won't say I'm alone in finding the dating world hard going but why it is like this is just ridiculous. Why there are a load of pretty girls floating around on Tinder who just somehow can't find a long term relationship is also ridiculous despite being liked by loads of guys.

And before you say it no it's not my attitude. I don't often show my attitude, I behave in a decent way towards women as that's what I feel is right even if I have my doubts about them I leave that to show whether if true.

My personal opinion is that things aren't working well in the dating world because they've become messed up in society. Women expect so much off men but most men know they can't fulfill that, that's where the problems start. It's not just dating these days but not having a LTR go south. It's not just me and where this is going to end who knows.

[Trenchcoat]

Just tried Bumble, it's an alternative app to Tinder. Looks like  there are a load of Munsters on there. Well the ones that liked me are. I may not be a model but I wouldn't say I'm in the ugly category either, at least not according to Photofeeler, around a 5 ish on most photos. Looks like the women want to date up on there and think the men will date down. FSU Dating still preferable on that front. So far of those that liked me on Bumble I don't think I would care to date any of them.

[Trenchcoat]

Just tried Bumble, it's an alternative app to Tinder. Looks like  there are a load of Munsters on there. Well the ones that liked me are. I may not be a model but I wouldn't say I'm in the ugly category either, at least not according to Photofeeler, around a 5 ish on most photos. Looks like the women want to date up on there and think the men will date down. FSU Dating still preferable on that front. So far of those that liked me on Bumble I don't think I would care to date any of them.

So on Bumble again today actually got a match last night with a girl that is reasonably attractive looking enough. So apparently it is up to the girls on there to write first even if they clicked like first which she did. So not holding my breath there. Getting a higher number of likes than on Tinder by a bit but a lot of them the girls are a bit odd looking then again most of those that did click like on Tinder also that way.

Again quite a few pretty girls popping up on Bubble like Tinder. Whether there is less of a hook up culture who knows.

Weirdest thing is a lot of them are looking like they are in their late twenties/early thirties when a lot are well into their forties. One girl was like this and she was 47! I'm really starting to suspect that they are putting up pics of themselves from when they were in their late twenties and early thirties. The first pic the 47 year old girl put up was her in a black dress in some kind of bar/nightclub looking pretty hot. My guess is it was from when she was in her late twenties and thirties. I know some people age well but think some are playing it a bit on there. I'm also getting the impression that some are putting up a pic of when they were a bit younger and mixing it with a few when they were a bit older in their following photos. Either that or those girls have been on there a long time lol.

It was £2.99 for a day to try if interested to see what it is like, but remember to unsubscribe straight away in your profile section as they put you on reoccurring billing, that old trick.

[John Gaunt]

I wouldn't be writing it if it wasn't what I was finding as I would have no reason too. Why are there some girls on dating sites such as Fdate, EM, etc that are in their twenties willing to date guys my age and older? Why are there even more Filipino girls willing to do the same or older still?

There will always be some women who are as you describe but It’s up to you to separate the wheat from the chaff.
The trouble with you is you are suspicious of all women because your default position is that women are out to scam/fleece/trade up/ gold diggers etc etc.

Now you can perhaps tell us how you found FSW if you like JG? My guess is that you will tell us your marriage is a bed of roses, perfumed scent every day, but what about the other girls you met while you were looking in the FSU?

I didn’t look for an FSUW. I was dating at home for a while, quite successfully, I should say.
I just ended up looking east quite by chance.
I found my wife about 8 months in and 2 months after 1st contact I went and met her.
I had met some other ladies before her but they weren’t for me, not because they were in any way how you portray fsuw but just not right for me.

I knew my wife was right for me pretty quickly but I courted her for over a year involving many trips to and fro between us before she deemed me suitable to marry.

We’ve been married 10 years. No marriage is a bed of roses. It takes patience, perseverance, commitment, compromise and a host of other attributes to make a marriage work.
That’s true for all marriages, not just those to FSUW.

[John Gaunt]

The problem, Trench, is you.

100%.

[GQBlues]

...I've been on Tinder recently with my good photo and to be honest it's brought back all the reasons I look abroad. Aside from the odd few fatties and women I don't find attractive, women with kids, career girls, etc yes there are quite a few attractive women on there in their late thirties and early forties, I swipe on them but no joy. I found out recently from a girl that she when on Tinder and got 2000 likes in a month, I got about 2 after a night of swiping for 2-3 hours. It's just ridiculous. Then they complain that the guys they hook up with just want sex, yeah the pretty boys they hook up with lol.

So yeah I don't hold much stock in any women really. I just can't trust them. Get the right one and it may work but so many just give me the impression they could do more harm to my life than good at the moment. Women with motives everywhere. I'm not even sure if I could get on with the hobbies or interests she may have. FSW well argumentative might be a bit far but I think many ate obstinate is the word I think most correctly describes them and that with many guys can lead quickly to arguments. I think the input from the guys above tend to substantiate this.
...

Don't get discouraged, TC. Your aspiration in trying to find a mate and be in a relationship, is being challenged only by your distrust and frustration with women. There's an abundance of hope for blokes like you, you know.

I'm sure in the UK, maybe especially in the UK, you guys have dating sites like this, for example.

Based on your situation and perspectives towards women in general, this may well be the answer that which you seek!?

[Boethius]

I wouldn't say that living with me would be a downgrade in lifestyle my terrace, ahem, townhouse is still better than a concrete block Soviet era flat. I'm also not half way around the globe, not even a quarter of the way from Ukraine, in fact it's just a three hour journey by plane.

It is really no better.  Most of those Soviet era flats are very comfortable inside, and they're not "concrete block".

I know they have something more grand in mind even in that circumstance of not being that far from Ukraine, at least the pretty ones do. The younger ones that are not so pretty maybe not the older ones possibly not though I tend to get the impression that they are after a pension plan.

Sigh.  Here you go again.  Misogyny, rankiing of women, and ulterior motives.  With this, you are doomed to fail.  Seek counselling to determine the root of your misogyny.

FSU Dating on paper at least may not work so great for me but it's still got more go in it than dating at home. Dating scene at home is just appalling. It's why you're getting Incels in the younger generation it's gotten so bad. Why it's got so atrocious for us men I don't know. So at the moment the FSU Dating thing remains the best option though I really have my doubts if it would work.

If you can't date at home comfortably, you will also fail in the FSU.

Why apart from looks I'm not very dateable I don't know. I'm apparently everyday average looks though some girls would of course not rate me well there. I'm 6ft tall, still a full head of brown hair which at early to mid forties isn't doing bad. I'm not badly aging or anything. I can talk to people though I'm not the world's best socializer. I'm average build, not overweight or anything.

Because people can sense that you are a misogynist, so aren't willing to introduce you to eligible women that they know.

[Trenchcoat]

It is really no better.  Most of those Soviet era flats are very comfortable inside, and they're not "concrete block".


Sigh.  Here you go again.  Misogyny, rankining of women, and ulterior motives.  With this, you are doomed to fail.  Seek counselling to determine the root of your misogyny.



If you can't date at home comfortably, you will also fail in the FSU.


Because people can sense that you are a misogynist, so aren't willing to introduce you to eligible women that they know.

In theory I can see why it could be said that if a guy can't date at home easily then it will eventually go south with a girl  from the FSU. As of course once she gets to realise how things are here and what she can get/is worth then she'll be off. I said up thread about the girl who got 2000 likes on Tinder in a month compared to me and a lot of guys who get just a handful. How long before she discovers that or other tell tale signs who knows? In theory there is roughly one guy to one girl in this country so the picture isn't all that clear as to the opposite disparity here as to the FSU.

However I think that while there is something in if a guy fails at home he will ultimately with a FSW. I also think that some guys who fail at home may not necessarily do so with a girl from the FSU moreso if there not all that far from failing at home. If they've got some stuff going for them the FSW who is used to the men in the FSU dating scene may still see them as good enough.

The woman the guy goes for can count also. If a FSW is not very attractive in some way then guys in the FSU will either pass over her or use her for sex. Neither will give the girl much esteem and she'll see a guy who is serious about her from the west as a sure a thing as it gets. Only in the west with her if the guy shows himself up badly will she likely look around and see what else is going. The assumption on her part will be that she'll struggle like she did at home or similar. In the documentary 'Love Me' there was a guy called Eric, he by his own admission hadn't dated, he didn't know what love was and to be honest he didn't come across all that great. Many of the comments about him in You Tube tended to be a bit bit derogatory. To me he didn't come across as socially skilled, a bit awkward or odd perhaps in some ways and he didn't look too in shape, a bit over, no doubt not the worst around but a bit overweight. He also wasn't dressed too great sometimes in t-shirt, cap, etc. Anyway he found a girl out there and had a baby with her, she was a bit below average on looks facially it is probably fair to say. She seemed to have a good figure on the upside and a seemingly genuine personality. Anyhow main point being is that while Eric was undateable at home he was dateable in the FSU and thereafter when he brought a FSW back to his own country. So while I agree that for some men that being undateable at home will mean so eventually be n the FSU I don't think it's an exact rule of thumb that applies to ever to man.

[John Gaunt]

His misogyny aside, there are other reasons why Trench will never succeed with FSUW.
His lack of respect for FSU folk and FSU culture.
He doesn’t understand them, he has no wish to understand them and he thinks his ‘culture’ is superior.
He looks down on everything from that part of the world and yet thinks he can marry into it.
I don’t wish you well in this venture TC, because you don’t deserve a woman from there.

You should just go PPP.

[2tallbill]

Why are there some girls on dating sites such as Fdate, EM, etc that are in
their twenties willing to date guys my age and older? Why are there even
more Filipino girls willing to do the same or older still?

There are nearly zero FSUW in their twenties willing to date someone your age,
those that do have dubious motivations. 

You look at somebody's profile and assume that they selected that age range.
They probably left the question unanswered and somebody at the agency filled
it in or it has a default setting if left blank.

I don't have much experience with Filipina's. I have two casual buddies who went
the MOB route with them and are super happy. There is a large Filipino population
where I used to live in California. I'm a Catholic and we had a Tagalog mass and
sometimes I would go to it. I used to meet with them all the time for cookouts
and barbecues and various things. 
 
The women seemed to like me just fine. You would be surprised how many shorties
really like tall men. But I am really tall and they are usually really short. I've dated
shorties many times before but if they are less than 5' 4" tall then things don't fit
together all that well when tab A goes into slot B.

I seriously doubt that Trench knows what he's talking about in regard to Filipina's.
What are the odds that he's right about anything? 1 in a 100? Less?

[Trenchcoat]

His misogyny aside, there are other reasons why Trench will never succeed with FSUW.
His lack of respect for FSU folk and FSU culture.
He doesn’t understand them, he has no wish to understand them and he thinks his ‘culture’ is superior.
He looks down on everything from that part of the world and yet thinks he can marry into it.
I don’t wish you well in this venture TC, because you don’t deserve a woman from there.

You should just go PPP.

Now that isn't quite true JG. What do Ukrainian women do the other way around, much the same as most I would imagine and see how they find UK, US, Australian culture etc as it goes. There's little point asking someone, 'how are Ukrainian, English, Americans etc in temperament?'. They could tell you what they think but people of course vary even if there is a national overriding temperament. There probably is a general temperament of many Ukrainian people or women. Its not something that is covered a lot when starting out in this venture but I think can be highly relevant. Some people will not have much in the way of problems as their temperament will fit easily enough with FSW others will. I personally have found several to be obstinate, that's not easy to deal with and can easily derail a relationship. A Ukrainian girl can suddenly disagree with something you say or do and won't budge until you agree 100 percent with her. That's not easy for a lot of WM to take most WM aren't brought up like that, it will get their backs up or they will find her too difficult to deal with. However, some WM are doormats and will fold to anything a woman or possibly anyone says. So possibly they may do better with FSW as a result or maybe she may end up lacking respect for them.

I don't look down on anything from that part of the world. However we are from a country what many Ukrainian girls see as desirable to be a part off due to its wealth, stability, pleasant surroundings, etc but that doesn't mean I look down in Ukrainians.

[Trenchcoat]

There are nearly zero FSUW in their twenties willing to date someone your age,
those that do have dubious motivations. 

You look at somebody's profile and assume that they selected that age range.
They probably left the question unanswered and somebody at the agency filled
it in or it has a default setting if left blank.

I don't have much experience with Filipina's. I have two casual buddies who went
the MOB route with them and are super happy. There is a large Filipino population
where I used to live in California. I'm a Catholic and we had a Tagalog mass and
sometimes I would go to it. I used to meet with them all the time for cookouts
and barbecues and various things. 
 
The women seemed to like me just fine. You would be surprised how many shorties
really like tall men. But I am really tall and they are usually really short. I've dated
shorties many times before but if they are less than 5' 4" tall then things don't fit
together all that well when tab A goes into slot B.

I seriously doubt that Trench knows what he's talking about in regard to Filipina's.
What are the odds that he's right about anything? 1 in a 100? Less?

Yeah, I have much the same issue with short women. I don't dislike them because of it, many can be both cute and hot looking. I wouldn't not go with a woman because of height but there are of course easier fits.

I think you are right with Filopina girls, they probably wouldn't be as easier for as they at first look. Probably not as placid as they might at first seem. So for now I think I'll probably stay away from them but keep them in mind to check out later some time perhaps and see how I find them. Apparently reading online their skin goes a lot darker if they are outside a bit in the sun though some people say the ones that are more defended from the Spanish tend to have lighter skin. Not saying it's the biggest problem but fitting in would probably be easier here with fairer skin as not many Filopina's in the UK really. Odds are though I may just be exchanging character problems with FSW with other problems with Filipino girls just starting from the ground floor in trying to grapple with them again I'm guessing.

[Nightwish]

Yeah, I have much the same issue with short women. I don't dislike them because of it, many can be both cute and hot looking. I wouldn't not go with a woman because of height but there are of course easier fits.

I think you are right with Filopina girls, they probably wouldn't be as easier for as they at first look. Probably not as placid as they might at first seem. So for now I think I'll probably stay away from them but keep them in mind to check out later some time perhaps and see how I find them. Apparently reading online their skin goes a lot darker if they are outside a bit in the sun though some people say the ones that are more defended from the Spanish tend to have lighter skin. Not saying it's the biggest problem but fitting in would probably be easier here with fairer skin as not many Filopina's in the UK really. Odds are though I may just be exchanging character problems with FSW with other problems with Filipino girls just starting from the ground floor in trying to grapple with them again I'm guessing.

say what?

The only one with character problems are YOU trench, a piss poor misogynic incel - you ain't a good catch in any culture

[John Gaunt]

Now that isn't quite true JG. What do Ukrainian women do the other way around, much the same as most I would imagine and see how they find UK, US, Australian culture etc as it goes. There's little point asking someone, 'how are Ukrainian, English, Americans etc in temperament?'. They could tell you what they think but people of course vary even if there is a national overriding temperament. There probably is a general temperament of many Ukrainian people or women. Its not something that is covered a lot when starting out in this venture but I think can be highly relevant. Some people will not have much in the way of problems as their temperament will fit easily enough with FSW others will. I personally have found several to be obstinate, that's not easy to deal with and can easily derail a relationship. A Ukrainian girl can suddenly disagree with something you say or do and won't budge until you agree 100 percent with her. That's not easy for a lot of WM to take most WM aren't brought up like that, it will get their backs up or they will find her too difficult to deal with. However, some WM are doormats and will fold to anything a woman or possibly anyone says. So possibly they may do better with FSW as a result or maybe she may end up lacking respect for them.

I don't look down on anything from that part of the world. However we are from a country what many Ukrainian girls see as desirable to be a part off due to its wealth, stability, pleasant surroundings, etc but that doesn't mean I look down in Ukrainians.

We are not talking about ‘temperament’ or character traits here.
We are talking about your ‘attitude’ to the FSU and I don’t mean just the women.
Your posts reek of your ‘superiority’ which begets the question.
Why are you looking in the FSU?
When you marry a woman, she’s not just a piece of meat to be sampled in the bedroom.
She brings with her a life lived in a different world to yours. If you don’t want to understand it or respect it, why bother?
Carry on in your basement.

[GQBlues]

We are not talking about ‘temperament’ or character traits here.
We are talking about your ‘attitude’ to the FSU and I don’t mean just the women.
Your posts reek of your ‘superiority’ which begets the question.
Why are you looking in the FSU?
When you marry a woman, she’s not just a piece of meat to be sampled in the bedroom.
She brings with her a life lived in a different world to yours. If you don’t want to understand it or respect it, why bother?
Carry on in your basement.

Which is why, after 6 years of the same drivel, I really believe this is his niche.. All things (he had shared/shown) considered...


Whoever it will be:

a) Likely be as tall as he is
b) won't leave him for another 'man'
c) UK native will not a) need English Lessons; b) he won't need to spend money for flights and hotels to a foreign country.
d) Will likely be as 'rich' if not more so than him
e) will not be desperate
f) will not have the flaws and evil ways of a 'woman' he's concerned about.
g) would likely not mind sharing the basement with him.

etc...

[John Gaunt]

Which is why, after 6 years of the same drivel, I really believe this is his niche.. All things (he had shared/shown) considered...


Whoever it will be:

a) Likely be as tall as he is
b) won't leave him for another 'man'
c) UK native will not a) need English Lessons; b) he won't need to spend money for flights and hotels to a foreign country.
d) Will likely be as 'rich' if not more so than him
e) will not be desperate
f) will not have the flaws and evil ways of a 'woman' he's concerned about.
g) would likely not mind sharing the basement with him.

etc...

LOL

I suppose everything is possible.

TC, maybe if you go the rainbow route, you’ll strike gold.

[ML]

When you marry a woman, she’s not just a piece of meat to be sampled in the bedroom.

Who samples meat in a bedroom ?  That's what garages are for.

[John Gaunt]

Who samples meat in a bedroom ?  That's what garages are for.

Nah, meat gets cold quick in garages.

[Trenchcoat]

It is really no better.  Most of those Soviet era flats are very comfortable inside, and they're not "concrete block".

My 'townhouse' has more space inside than one of those flats. It has a garden out back and a small frontage to the front. It's also more pleasant looking at the front  with a quaint worked stone facade and at the back overlooks trees, to did of the back garden you can see rolling green hills. It may not be the largest most extravagant property in the UK and is modest in comparison but it's nicer than a concrete block apartment I can assure you

Though of course there is of course here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10168757/Stunning-drone-photographs-multi-coloured-town-Ukraine-looks-like-real-life-LEGO-city.html

[Trenchcoat]

We are not talking about ‘temperament’ or character traits here.
We are talking about your ‘attitude’ to the FSU and I don’t mean just the women.
Your posts reek of your ‘superiority’ which begets the question.
Why are you looking in the FSU?
When you marry a woman, she’s not just a piece of meat to be sampled in the bedroom.
She brings with her a life lived in a different world to yours. If you don’t want to understand it or respect it, why bother?
Carry on in your basement.

I don't have anything negative to say about Ukrainian or FSU culture, they have some good stuff we could learn from. However yes the UK is superior, why would FSW want to come here if it wasn't? Superior wealth, superior economy, superior military, superior technology, superior medical research, superior hospitals, superior anti-corruption, for the most part (just about) superior housing, etc, etc. It's not me with an attitude it's the facts that speak for themselves. I'm not saying I'm better than a FSW but I come from a society that it many ways is in a more advanced position to Ukraine. I'm not saying a good life could not be had and enjoyed in Ukraine but in a society that has become more advanced it if course tends to be open to more people to enjoy a good life. Ukraine if course has some benefits but of course the fact that those women on Fdate etc don't want to live there tends to speak for itself.

End of the day WM going to Ukraine to meet these ladies offer them the chance for a better lifestyle. It's what WM have over the local dudes. Women want men who are superior, they date across but prefer to date up the socioeconomic spectrum. Guess what? The local men they see as inferior.