Vaccine Misinformation

[GQBlues]

Maybe less? 
Lockdowns only reduced COVID deaths by 0.2 per cent, Johns Hopkins study finds
We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting
gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality'
http://nationalpost.com/news/world/johns-hopkins-university-study-covid-19-lockdowns

0.2%. That's roughly <2,000 deaths. Better than a good chance those will have at least 2 comorbidities.

What a waste if John Hopkins study is right, and with CDC's reported annual cardiovascular disease deaths, very likely that number remained the same throughout 2020 & 2021, except it was then classified and counted as COVID deaths.

This will really shock BillyB because according to his math two years ago, there should only be about dozen people left alive in the world by the first Tuesday of next month.

[Faux Pas]

Just the smoking gun...



http://UK.news.yahoo.com/-143616129.HTML

Hell no, man. That thing came from bat and dog eaters in the Wuhan wet market. You're blasphemous. If that didn't work it came from a cave 1000 miles away from Wuhan, you know, where bat viruses jump from bats straight to human no ST. Fauci involved, no way no how 

I'm like weed. Never die. 

I'd take bets on a correlation. Hey Old friend

[Boethius]

Boe, don't you know that one hour internet search is more efficacious than a lifetime researching at a lab?

 


Great to "see" you here.  I hope all is well in your life.  Your youngest on must be a teen now, or maybe older? 

[BC]

Maybe less? 
Lockdowns only reduced COVID deaths by 0.2 per cent, Johns Hopkins study finds
We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting
gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality'
http://nationalpost.com/news/world/johns-hopkins-university-study-covid-19-lockdowns



CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo completely avoid Johns Hopkins study finding COVID
lockdowns ineffective ABC, CBS, NBC also ignored the anti-lockdown study
http://www.foxnews.com/media/johns-hopkins-university-study-lockdowns-media-blackout


How many trillions in losses of income were caused by Lefty do-gooder control freaks?
How many businesses went under? How many children lost a years education?
How many lefty's called GOP governors killers, for reopening their states?

2Tall,

You should really read the studies themselves.  This was a "review and meta-analysis" of other studies.  It is not a direct study using collected data for the purpose of determining whether or not lockdowns were effective.

Source:

A LITERATURE REVIEW AND META-ANALYSIS OF THE EFFECTS OF LOCKDOWNS ON COVID-19 MORTALITY
http://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

Discussion
Overall, we conclude that lockdowns are not an effective way of reducing mortality rates during
a pandemic, at least not during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic.

So this paper studies other studies from the first wave and lockdowns, and does not take into account timing factors in each country.

The role of optimal timing
We exclude papers which analyze the effect of early lockdowns in contrast to later lockdowns.
There’s no doubt that being prepared for a pandemic and knowing when it arrives at your
doorstep is vital

.

Furthermore,

Conclusions
Overall, our meta-analysis fails to confirm that lockdowns have had a large, significant effect on
mortality rates.

What the study does not say is "this study confirms that lockdowns had no large, significant effect on mortality rates."

So ok, they could not confirm that lockdowns had a significant effect on mortality, based on a review of 34 out of 18000 studies.  That leads us nowhere.

I'm not bashing the validity of study at all, but instead pointing out to you and others to read them carefully and find out exactly what the study is studying, and fully understand the limitations of the study.

The way this study is being described, and what it actually says, is being taken out of context by the two links you posted.  Comparison below

What the National Post says:

“We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality,” reads the paper, which is based on a review of 34 pre-existing COVID-19 studies.

What the study says:

Overall conclusion on specific NPIs
Because of the heterogeneity in NPIs across studies, it is difficult to draw strong conclusions
based on the studies of multiple specific measures. We find no evidence that lockdowns, school
closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19
mortality. There is some evidence that business closures reduce COVID-19 mortality, but the
variation in estimates is large and the effect seems related to closing bars. There may be an effect
of mask mandates, but just two studies look at this, one of which one only looks at the effect of
employee mask mandates.

[BC]

Great to "see" you here.  I hope all is well in your life. 

Indeed. Nice to hear from you Muzh!

[2tallbill]

2Tall,

You should really read the studies themselves.  This was a "review and meta-analysis" of other
studies.  It is not a direct study using collected data for the purpose of determining whether or
not lockdowns were effective.

BC,

I have read lefty articles pooh-poohing the study in different ways.
If you want to believe that the great financial harm and loss of
individual liberty was worth it, then I won't try to change your mind.

I think that many governments thought that they were doing the
right thing, forcing the great unwashed masses from causing
themselves harm.

Lefty favorite fake fact checker organizations like Snopes believes
as you do. I have read articles that disagree with the reporting of
the John Hopkins Study.
http://www.snopes.com/news/2022/02/03/johns-hopkins-study-on-lockdowns/

The leftist activist fake fact checker politifact did much the same thing.

Udachi!

Bill

[2tallbill]

Seriously, who can argue that the left has a superior grasp of science?
The left has played their phony science card to the point of losing any
credibility.

What about Dental patients? Shouldn't they be forbidden to having their
teeth repaired?
NJ 3-year-old kicked out of speech therapy due to mask mandates
http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/nj-3-year-old-speech-therapy-mask-mandate-moral-crime


Powerful union donors have special rules carved out for them.
New York to lift indoor mask mandate, but not for kids in schools
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-lifts-indoor-mask-requirement-not-for-schools

[BC]

Seriously, who can argue that the left has a superior grasp of science?
The left has played their phony science card to the point of losing any
credibility.

Anything constructive to add to discourse?

[Muzh]

 


Great to "see" you here.  I hope all is well in your life.  Your youngest on must be a teen now, or maybe older?

College. History major. Future intelligence officer. Hopefully.

[Muzh]

Indeed. Nice to hear from you Muzh!

Yeah, it's been a while. See not much has changed. 

[Muzh]

BC,
<snip>

Lefty favorite fake fact checker organizations like Snopes believes
as you do. I have read articles that disagree with the reporting of
the John Hopkins Study.
http://www.snopes.com/news/2022/02/03/johns-hopkins-study-on-lockdowns/

The leftist activist fake fact checker politifact did much the same thing.

Udachi!

Bill

You forgot the Satan-worshiping pedofiles. 


Cheers Bud.

[Boethius]

You forgot the Satan-worshiping pedofiles. 

 


This is one of the reasons I missed you.


Bill, what in that snopes article linked is inaccurate?

[2tallbill]

You forgot the Satan-worshiping pedofiles. 

I know a zillion left of center men and women. To my knowledge not a devil lover among them.

Cheers Bud.

Cheers to you as well!

[Trenchcoat]

Not the joyous news we were all hoping for in this article:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/12/scientists-plead-caution-covid-restrictions-lifted-england

They reckon that there may be an equal chance the next variant may be more dangerous as the chance is that it may be milder. I think we were all hoping on milder. If it's more dangerous then more vaccinations and other measures are likely to be needed again. I think the general feeling is that hopefully the virus becomes milder as it seeks to infect more and that it will be a continual process in that direction, let's hope that is so.

I personally think the solution in the event of a more dangerous virus would be for everyone to where a proper respirator mask when outside the home. They only cost the government £5 to buy in bulk order so would work out cheaper than vaccines in the long term. If everyone in every nation did that for about probably 3-4 months then we would likely be free from the virus for good and possibly all flu viruses as well, worth then thinking about it I think.

[Jumper1]

TC are the nations planning to  including animals in this process? Just curious.
We* seem to ignore this virus crosses species and the variants all along have been found in animals both domestic  and wildlife, mink,deer etc.
That would tend to make variants a tad more unpredictable and control* virtually impossible?

[Jumper1]

You forgot the Satan-worshiping pedofiles. 


Cheers Bud.

Hmmm I thought it was the adrenochrome children's blood harvesters.

Conspiracy theorists: " the moon landing is fake"

 The average person for fun: " hmm, ok, you're one of those crazies that believe in the moon"

[tfcrew]

Seriously, who can argue that the left has a superior grasp of science?
The left has played their phony science card to the point of losing any
credibility. 

[fathertime]

The good old little Cook Islands 99.6% of their population is vaccinated and double vaccinated.  For those wacky conspiricy 'globalists' theorists, why would the leaders of this harmless carefree little group of islands want to harm their own little children? Did the 'pied piper' row over to the islands to pay them a visit?   

Cook Islands braces for first community Covid-19 cases


...."It may be there is 'silent transmission', where our high vaccination rate is so protective that people get Covid but so mildly that they do not realize they have it."
Official data show that 99.6% of the island nation's roughly 17,000 people aged 12 and over is double-vaccinated, and 70% of those eligible have had their booster shots.
Cook Islands resumed quarantine-free travel with New Zealand a month ago, after shutting itself off from the world when the pandemic hit in early 2020.....
http://www.cnn.com/travel/article/cook-islands-tourist-covid-cases/index.html 



Fathertime! 

[Jumper1]

That's a rather leading question isn’t it?

Intending harm vs intended health benefit is of course  quite different.
So no I certainly dint think they intended harm.

I am certain that since no long term trials,trials which are usually the main focus of any vaccine approval, couldnt have been done.
You can't throw money at a trial and speed up time.
The very base reason long term trials are so much a part of the approval process is from past vaccine tragedies.


No matter how much anyone wiggles ,you cannot avoid that these vaccines simply havnt had the time to the usual long  term trial requirements,so the safety is based on short term results and  frankly since past mrna all failed long term studies,,it hope that the billions thrown at it mitigated past issues.

 Obviously most think that is the case.

The Navajo were hit particularly hard with covid and have had extremely strict protocols in place and heavily encouraged vaccination,with a very high vax rate across all ages
Equally sure thier tribal leaders dont intend any harm.

To FPs point, you don't have to look back far at all  to see the Navajo in particular have incredible sound reasons to not trust  any government Healthcare programs. ( great sterilization program we had in place for young women)

So tit for tat comparing small  ethnic scenarios?

[Muzh]

Hmmm I thought it was the adrenochrome children's blood harvesters.

Conspiracy theorists: " the moon landing is fake"

 The average person for fun: " hmm, ok, you're one of those crazies that believe in the moon"

Birds are real. 

[fathertime]

While browsing about the internet I found an interesting little story about the booster shots being detrimental.   It seems that too many death jab injections will wear out people's immune system and cause it harm. 

Parden me waiter, I'll just have 1 order of death soup. 

Frequent Boosters Spur Warning on Immune Response

European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible. 

Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune response and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency. Instead, countries should leave more time between booster programs and tie them to the onset of the cold season in each hemisphere, following the blueprint set out by influenza vaccination strategies, the agency said....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says 

Fathertime! 

[Jumper1]

While browsing about the internet I found an interesting little story about the booster shots being detrimental.   It seems that too many death jab injections will wear out people's immune system and cause it harm. 

Parden me waiter, I'll just have 1 order of death soup. 

Frequent Boosters Spur Warning on Immune Response

European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible. 

Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune response and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency. Instead, countries should leave more time between booster programs and tie them to the onset of the cold season in each hemisphere, following the blueprint set out by influenza vaccination strategies, the agency said....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says 

Fathertime!

When the EU is more conservative than... the philistines of USA...

Houston we have a ..
Pattern

[Trenchcoat]

While browsing about the internet I found an interesting little story about the booster shots being detrimental.   It seems that too many death jab injections will wear out people's immune system and cause it harm. 

Parden me waiter, I'll just have 1 order of death soup. 

Frequent Boosters Spur Warning on Immune Response

European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible. 

Repeat booster doses every four months could eventually weaken the immune response and tire out people, according to the European Medicines Agency. Instead, countries should leave more time between booster programs and tie them to the onset of the cold season in each hemisphere, following the blueprint set out by influenza vaccination strategies, the agency said....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says 

Fathertime!

Guess handy I just had the two AZ jabs then gave the booster a miss as they were offering Pfizer which is mRNA, no thanks. My guess is that about one booster or so is probably about the max it can be taken to judging by that article. Then there is the ability of the virus to mutate to get around the vaccine which now appears to be the case with the Omicron variant latest mutation judging by this article:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/omicron-ba2-variant-symptoms-us-b2020182.html

So if it keeps spreading as it has been in the US we could soon be back in the poop and needing a new vaccine. That or another method of tackling the virus.

[fathertime]

So if it keeps spreading as it has been in the US we could soon be back in the poop and needing a new vaccine. That or another method of tackling the virus.

One of my younger (40) but pleasantly plump buddies just finished a 10 day stay in the hospital for the virus...refuses the death jab...just like I have to this point.   Neil Cavuto says he would have been dead without the death soup jabs.   

Fox News anchor Neil Cavuto returns to show after ICU stint, second positive COVID-19 test

Because I’ve had cancer and right now I have multiple sclerosis, I’m among the vulnerable three percenters or so of the population that cannot sustain the full benefits of a vaccine. In other words, it simply doesn’t last," Cavuto said. "But let me be clear, doctors say had I not been vaccinated at all, I wouldn’t be here. It provided some defense, but that is still better than no defense."

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-anchor-neil-cavuto-184458111.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Fathertime! 

[Muzh]

One of my younger (40) but pleasantly plump buddies just finished a 10 day stay in the hospital for the virus...refuses the death jab...just like I have to this point.   Neil Cavuto says he would have been dead without the death soup jabs.   

Fox News anchor Neil Cavuto returns to show after ICU stint, second positive COVID-19 test

Because I’ve had cancer and right now I have multiple sclerosis, I’m among the vulnerable three percenters or so of the population that cannot sustain the full benefits of a vaccine. In other words, it simply doesn’t last," Cavuto said. "But let me be clear, doctors say had I not been vaccinated at all, I wouldn’t be here. It provided some defense, but that is still better than no defense."

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-anchor-neil-cavuto-184458111.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Fathertime!

Let's go Darwin.