clubbin in Russia

[ML]

Good night all.

[olgac]

Yeah I think time for bed before krismter gets even more into reminiscing particular sex encounters

[Trenchcoat]

Varies, there are ways around it if you aren't of high social status in the West. A guy of lower social status can gain an attractive FSW and keep her if he goes and lives out there, that then removes the risk of other local men back home.

Back home in the West it may be possible even for a guy if low social status to get and keep hold of a Ukrainian wife, but that can depend on the girl, how she feels about him and other factors. For example if you live in an area that is a reasonably remote backwater where the population isn't that keen on foreigners then odds are guys wouldn't bother with your woman moreso if she is not looking like an absolute model.

It can vary depending on what you do and the girl, I agree that it can be more risky the lower social status you are and the higher attractiveness the girl is. But some people can play the game better others less so, some guys can play the game well but just put their foot in it once and make an error that loses them their girl. Some girls liked masculine guys that are good with their hands, other girls prefer more executive guys who will keep clean, etc. Some guys are pretty looking but prickly and will scare if many men apart from one who doesn't mind, etc. So I would say social class is never a bar to entry but it can heighten the risks possibly depending on how you play the game and the cards you get dealt to you in the FSW dating game.

[olgac]

You mean THE Game as in PUAs? I thought it was just to get laid not get a woman to stay with You forever? This us what PUA stands for a pick up

[Trenchcoat]

You mean THE Game as in PUAs? I thought it was just to get laid not get a woman to stay with You forever? This us what PUA stands for a pick up

No I meant the game as in the dating game in general rather than 'The Game' as in PUA.

[krimster2]

"Good night all."

g'night john boy

[krimster2]

yes, in order to spare their feelings, I'd lie and say that you're "VERY Well Endowed" and that Ukrrainian women ONLY like well endowed men
they think yur talkin "willy's"
but yur actually talkin "Trust Funds"

and since they're white boys with lettle pale willys, they'll look downcast when ya tell em this

[Patagonie]

You mean THE Game as in PUAs? I thought it was just to get laid not get a woman to stay with You forever? This us what PUA stands for a pick up

 
There is not two games. One to get laid and another one to stay forever. 
It depends entirely what you want to do in your life. Most PUA end having a LTR, kids or even marry. 
They have more easy time to get laid, or to choose the right LTR. 
Keeping an LTR and having stable and balanced relationships are out of the spectrum of the game.

[2tallbill]

You mean THE Game as in PUAs? I thought it was just to get laid not get a woman to stay with You forever? This us what PUA stands for a pick up

For some it's more nuanced and long term than the pickup. It can also be about generating
interest. I have a number of theories, one of them is that

If you have too work hard at generating interest, then you are pursuing the wrong girl.
You need to find a girl who is at least as interested in you as you are in her. Otherwise
you are trying to manufacture an excitement that is not organic between you. In my
view a man needs to find a woman that has mutual chemistry with him.

I have more thoughts but not the time to go over them 

[olgac]

Yes I agree, Bill! And I think attracting interest short term i.e. getting a woman who would not be interested in You normally
to sleep with you by doing some emotional tricks is not the same as keeping a woman's interest long term. I mean you can't play a game for decades!

[ML]

getting a woman . . . to sleep with you by doing some emotional tricks . . .

So that's what I was always missing !!!

[olgac]

So that's what I was always missing !!!

Wait I thought You said you were successful anyways

[ML]

Wait I thought You said you were successful anyways

Yes, but could I have been more so; it will haunt me now !!

[olgac]

Yes, but could I have been more so; it will haunt me now !!

well you should have read up on the GAME for men back then I am pretty sure it was already available

[krimster2]

if all PUA is, is 'emotional manipulation'
don't ya'll realize the problem with that?
what you sew, is what you later wear...er, something 'like that'

a cynic would claim the ultimate aphrodisiac is MONEY
and they'd have a good point...
but it's NOT the only one

have ya considered Kindness, a rather rare substance in this life, even RARER in the FSU, where it's "Dog Eat Dog" K9 cutlets
which. if ya ain't heard, Kindness is a type of behavior marked by acts of generosity, consideration, rendering assistance, or concern for others, without expecting anything in return
and this is the hard part to understand, the NOT EXPECTING a return...
cuz you 'normally' made yur kindness transactional, conditional
when it should be given with 'no strings attached'

cuz, it's like this...see....
if yur kind BUT with an expectation of getting somethin back
and ya don't get it....yur disappointed and upset....

don't have the expectation - ya don't get disappointed and upset
getting upset, just makes ya NEGATIVE instead of POSITIVE
it ain't gonna help ya, actually the opposite of that

you are ALWAYS POSITIVE this way by not having an expectation
which means you ALWAYS movin forward and NEVER backward

feed a stray animal, pet them, and after awhile 'they belong to you' and 'vice versa'
it ain't that much different with hu-mans
become a light in the darkness
and those who are lost or hunger or thirst shall come to you
be they human or feline, that's all this really is
what you can provide - vrs what they need
all creatures, more or less have the same needs
what do YOU need?

when you are IN SYNC with the world
you have 'no desires' no needs beyond that which you already have satisfied
everything comes to you on it's own
with no effort on yur part
no need to struggle over it

ALL the effort goes into putting yurself  IN SYNC...
i'm gonna be the lead guitar haha
I joke, I joke....cuz really I'm the percussionist

please...I know I'm literally INSANELY FUNNY but lower yur laughter....cuz you'll wake the family

PS
in order to conform to the terms of my parrole
I'd like to make a "Public Service Message'

KIDS...stay in school and stay off drugs...OK...I mean it...!!
you don't wanna end up like me

[Patagonie]

For some it's more nuanced and long term than the pickup. It can also be about generating
interest. I have a number of theories, one of them is that

If you have too work hard at generating interest, then you are pursuing the wrong girl.
You need to find a girl who is at least as interested in you as you are in her. Otherwise
you are trying to manufacture an excitement that is not organic between you. In my
view a man needs to find a woman that has mutual chemistry with him.

I have more thoughts but not the time to go over them

Aside generating interest,
Tons of guys don't even know how to evaluate correctly the interest of the woman.   
It's why a lot of idiots me who stalk and harass girls for months.   
 So it's also about how to lecture women. 
And at the end they also get some benefits from this because they are nothing more boring for women in a party having good time to cope with a guy that stays for hours and don't want to leave. 

[Patagonie]

Yes I agree, Bill! And I think attracting interest short term i.e. getting a woman who would not be interested in You normally
to sleep with you by doing some emotional tricks is not the same as keeping a woman's interest long term. I mean you can't play a game for decades!

Net
It depends entirely of the perspective of EACH lovers.
If the woman wants a LTR and the guy is just doing ONS it ends
If both have feelings, and ready to a LTR, they go for a LTR.
There no such a thing like attracting for short term or long term. Attraction is not a choice. 
After few days, few weeks you enter in a normal relationship.   
So the game is quickly ending and personalities prevail. 
So the guys who has lied and mislead the woman on his true self get kicked in the ass at the end. This is where the trickery comes to an end. Especially what we call the HTG (guys playing the hard to get) and guys (a lot of yound especially) who try to sell a life, a status, they don't have. This type of lies, again, don't stand too long if the relationship unwraps.
It's why there are different kind of approaches in seduction.
     
But the game, who is constantly described as a list of dishonest techniques aimed to psychologically tricking or manipulating women IS NOT what is described in the medias 
That's not true, there a lot about self improvement, sports, having hobbies, psychology, fashions... Having and building a life.

[Patagonie]

well you should have read up on the GAME for men back then I am pretty sure it was already available

   
The book is not really teaching you anything
It's a life experience showing the bad side of professional PUA and how empty their life can be because seducing is NOT, and could'nt be the main occupation in your life. 
The writer at the end comes to this conclusion and bails out.   
   
 Books and theorical knowledge are NO help because you have to go out in socials and spend a LOT of time on the field and meet a lot of women (don't mean that you even retry their phone number, you make  a lot of misses).You need years. 
Coaches and books just want to sell you some stuff like pickup Claudia Schiffer in ten minutes, but of course that's a big commercial lie. It's not gonna to happen if the guy is not even to say two words to his secretly beloved colleague at the coffee machine.   

[krimster2]

a lone man thinks he is the center of the universe
everything rotates around that perception
his fate may be sealed in the stars
but he ain't no Copernicus
so he don't see nothin

man...the fights I've had with "stalkers"
when I was young, I was VERY protective of ALL the women in "my network"
too much to drink, too "handsy" didn't respond to warnings
the women nodded to me
so I did, what I had to do
a lion is expected to protect the pride from hyenas

[2tallbill]

Kindness is a type of behavior marked by acts of generosity, consideration, rendering assistance, or concern for others, without expecting anything in return

and this is the hard part to understand, the NOT EXPECTING a return...
cuz you 'normally' made yur kindness transactional, conditional
when it should be given with 'no strings attached'

cuz, it's like this...see....
if yur kind BUT with an expectation of getting somethin back
and ya don't get it....yur disappointed and upset....

don't have the expectation - ya don't get disappointed and upset
getting upset, just makes ya NEGATIVE instead of POSITIVE
it ain't gonna help ya, actually the opposite of that

Sort of what this forum is all about. I know that you, I and a few others got to
ride to the FSU a couple times in the RWD corporate jet, but MOST of the guys
and gals here post because they like helping people.

The vast majority just want to learn how to go about finding, pursuing and marrying
a girl from the FSU. Those guys never post at all, about anything.

[krimster2]

"MOST of the guys and gals here post because they like helping people."



not only am I an atheist
I also doubt the existence of "altruism'

my motivation for posting here isn't to "help people" though once in awhile I may end up doing so
it's to "blow off steam"

yur TRUE reason is somethin similar....

you wanna be in "yur groove" of yur glory days chasin Russian goils, I dig that

I left that world, a long time ago
moved on
it ain't important to me any more

and almost all the NOOBS posting here, by my measure, are beyond any hope of success in the FSU
for example BeeFarmer

combine that with the fact that "I am NOT a very nice person"
and that led me to being a troll who ambushes NOOBS and takes their lunch money
and I don't feel bad about it

[2tallbill]

Books and theorical knowledge are NO help because you have to go out in socials and spend a LOT of time on the field and meet a lot of women (don't mean that you even retry their phone number, you make  a lot of misses).You need years. 

I spent 9 years looking for Angel Eyes before I found her. I found at least a hundred girls
who would probably been a good wife, but I wanted an EXCELLENT wife. I was frustrated
many times with my failures. I didn't quit so eventually I found my wife. For me there
was no other option. Keep looking, keep kissing to frogs to see if there was a princess.

Books and theorical knowledge are NO help because you have to go out in socials and spend a LOT of time on the field and meet a lot of women (don't mean that you even retry their phone number, you make  a lot of misses).You need years. 

Coaches and books just want to sell you some stuff like pickup Claudia Schiffer in ten minutes, but of course that's a big commercial lie. It's not gonna to happen if the guy is not even to say two words to his secretly beloved colleague at the coffee machine.

Making yourself do something that is uncomfortable is another key point. If you don't ask you
don't get. I'm in sales. I feed my family by asking building contractors to do business with me.
Providing for my family is very important to me. Some situations still make me uncomfortable,
but I make myself do it anyways.

Make yourself call the girl. Make yourself buy a ticket. Make yourself dump the gorgeous girl
with character flaws. Screw everything up, give yourself a pep talk then start over again.
That's what you need to do. You need to make yourself take action. You will kick yourself
for not taking action so avoid the kicking and self flagellation. Take action, you will screw
up! Then do it again, then do it again, then do it again. Then suddenly it works! WTF! It
really works! 

Udachi!

[2tallbill]

not only am I an atheist
I also doubt the existence of "altruism'

my motivation for posting here isn't to "help people" though once in awhile I may end up doing so
it's to "blow off steam"

yur TRUE reason is somethin similar....

you wanna be in "yur groove" of yur glory days chasin Russian goils, I dig that

I left that world, a long time ago
moved on
it ain't important to me any more

and almost all the NOOBS posting here, by my measure, are beyond any hope of success in the FSU
for example BeeFarmer

combine that with the fact that "I am NOT a very nice person"
and that led me to being a troll who ambushes NOOBS and takes their lunch money
and I don't feel bad about it

Politics is your religion. Your religion was rejected enmasse recently, so you spend hours each
day proselytizing, seeking out those who will follow your god. When rejected you are like Jesus
in the market place overturning carts and berating the unbelieving.

 

[krimster2]

your description of me is FALSE
I have never embraced ANY religion
I have only embraced the TRUTH, which is self-evident and TRANSCENDS politics, it's about RIGHT and WRONG
what's RIGHT, is that everyone is entitled to the pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, even non-white non-heterosexuals
this is what I DEFEND
I don't feel the need to apologize to anyone for doing it
especially to those who disagree with it
and I consider the topic to be of more importance than write one or write many

don't tread on me if ya don't want me to sink my fangs into you

BTW, you can celebrate the end of democracy in America if you wish as the country turns into an oligarchy that you claim doesn't exist, Elon Musk is imaginary, eh?
I suspect a year from now, you won't be cheering so loudly about it, esprcially after seeing the world YOUR children are gonna inherit, which is WHAT YOU voted for

I assume yur comparing me to the blue-eyed Aryan Jesus, the handsome one and not the Jewish one
I'm flattered, but I'm taller, not BEEL tall, but still...

what I am NOT
is a FALSE Prophet
who uses Christ to manipulate the masses, like the gospel is a $3 Chinese Bible
that's yur RELIGION and NOT mine
every single word that comes out of Trump's mouth is A LIE, including "and" and "the"
Trump IS NOT Christian
he's the anti-Christian that all the Christians are bowing down to
Trump is just a grander form of "Jim Jones" and ya'll are his flock
if he offers ya kool-aid, just say "no thanks"

[2tallbill]

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I copied and pasted your religious screed over to your rant page. I realize
that you can't help posting your dogma everywhere you go, but I can.

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