TverRomance

[av8or1]

Hi everyone,

Admittedly I am new to this RWD forum, though not to the RWG or the International dating process.  'Just returned from Ukraine a week ago, as a matter of fact.  Good trip overall, met one potential woman but no real success to report it seems.

I have an interpreter here in the USA who I use to make 3-way calls when the need arises.  She suggested trying Russia instead of Ukraine, for reasons I won't go into here. (boy am I setting myself up on that one, just remember that it was her suggestion, not mine)  So I asked her which cities I should consider.  She suggested Tver and Yoshkar Ola, don't know why exactly, save that some of her other clients have had success there when they didn't have success in Ukraine.

Initially I had no idea where these cities where, so I looked them up on MapQuest.  I liked the idea of Tver because it appears much easier to get to than Yoshkar Ola.

Ok, so I did another search and found some agencies.  Registered with TverRomance and wrote a few letters.  The replies have been good, but almost too good really.  'Aroused my suspicion a bit, especially when I wrote the office directly but didn't receive a reply (but DID receive letters).  So I did a google search again on TR, turned up nothing.  Then I did a search here and WOW did I ever get an earful from the discussions a few months ago.  'Made me wanna consider abandoning Tver altogether!

However, I realize such a decision would be somewhat hasty, so I thought I'd be proactive and jump right in and ask freely: what's the latest with TverRomance, LifetimePartners, TverAngels, etc?  Anyone care to comment on their experience in Tver or with any of these agencies?  I am considering another trip in November and am in the process of deciding where to go.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Best,

Jerry

[BillyB]

Welcome av8or1,

Based on your forum name, do fly airplanes? I don't know much about the agencies you mentioned but the owner of Tver Angels posts here at this forum and I find him as a man of integrity who's goal is to his customer's happiness instead of milking them for every dollar. Click this link to his profile and you can ask questions through his e-mail or send him a private message.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=profile;u=259

[av8or1]

Hey BillyB,

Yeah, I'm a fly boy, but I gave up the airline gig in 2004 to focus on having a family.  The airline biz isn't known for giving you AIDS for nothing, ya know.  And no, I'm not referring to something you'd catch after a night in the FA's room at the Hilton, it means Airline Induced Divorce Syndrome.  When you work in the flying thing, you're usually underpaid and gone from home most of the time.

Anyway, anyway.  I went back to engineering.  Ready to find a woman and start the family thing, just hasn't worked out thus far.  Such is life.  It's not in me to give up though so as Rocky said to Apollo "...Ah, just keep punchin'..." (and that's my cheesy movie quote for the day).

Thanks again,

Jerry

[Bruce]

  As far as I am concerned Tver is a city with alot of high quality available women.   I know the people involved in all three agencies and like them all.  Look at the websites, talk to the owners, find out how many women are really available and just go over and see how things work out for you.  You'll have a good time and you may meet your future wife.

[Maxx2]

Jerry, I speak from the pain of failure and with it experience of knowing the need to do this carefully. I was scalded by two agencies before I was directed to Tver by a poster from another site. From my experience I can verify the truth of the words of Bill Lawson "This is a dangerous business" (added from another source). "Financially, physically, emotionally, I was almost ruined." http://www.wtvt.com/investreptr/russiawithoutlove.html Bill and I shared the same experience.
This is why I can say to look not only for a good woman but look for people there in Russia that can help you find this person. Tver has several such people.

When I first was directed to Tver I joined TverRomance as the lady in I was directed to was signed up there. She was beautiful, quiet personality a soft voice one could melt into. She had 14 year old son who was a good student. It didn't take me long before I started dreaming of new wife and family. I have since then gotten all such notions about anyone out of my head. Anyway we started cooresponding. I understood (but with some doubt on my part) she was interested in me. I found out she had been to America before on a fiancee visa but returned after a bad experience with her controling fiance. The letters I was getting from her were not coming in often. Usually there was a reason as it was winter and she did not stop by TR often. Frankly I think she was burnt out about the whole process as I was. So I decided to use a personal messager to deliver the letters back and forth. I figured it would make it easier for her. I used Richard Wright, the straight shooting "Canadian cowboy" who lives in Tver with his wife Valiya to arrainge translation and delivery. TR offered hand delivery also but at $15 a letter....

After a while about a month TR wasn't getting anymore of my business from me. No letters or flower deliveries etc. They must have wondered what had happened.

So on January 27 '05 I get this letter only it wasn't written by Svetlana as she verified this to Richard. She actually sent me another letter earlier that day telling me she had a new profession (seamstress business she was starting). This is in direct contradiction with the statement below. Note how she makes no mention of quiting her job and with the help of her family start a new business. Richard's interpreter Anna spotted the difference in writing style from Svetlana's and told Richard when I forwarded this letter to him. 

Date: 27 Jan 2005
      From: SVETLANA
      Dear Maxx,

      I want to start wit telling you that I am really sorry for not writing
to you for such a long time. You might have thought that I forgot about you. No, I didn't, I think about you very often. But in every day routine I just don't always have a chance to stop and think. Life is passing by taking the best years and unfortunately we don't think about it until it's too late.

      Maxx, thank you for telling about your job, it was very interesting
to know what exactly you do. Our profession and especially yours is not very common and it's so interesting that we got together at all. With your every letter I am more and more convinced that we have very much in common. The way we think, the way we treat different things, our views on family and life and more. I hope our personal meeting will add to my positive opinion about you and our acquaintance.

      Maxx, you asked me about how much English I know. I leant English before going to the US and could speak it pretty good. Of course I had problems discussing serious issues but I knew enough to get around without help. I went to the US as a fianc?e and had serious intentions to be with this man but he appeared to be different from what he was like in Russia. So I left back home and now without practice I have forgotten much of what I used to know. But I think it will be not very difficult for me to remember.

      Pavlik is fine and says Hi to you. He had great time at my parents', he likes spending time there. I celebrated the New Year's with my close friends. That day at work was very busy and I was very tired. At the end of the working day all my colleagues and our boss wished each other all the best in the new year. When I came home I had some rest, put on my new dress that I had made for myself specially for this event and went to my friends. We had much fun and I was glad I joined them. We let off fireworks, went
outside as the weather was really great. I also called to R***** from time to time to see how Pavel and my family were. When the chimes were striking midnight I made wishes but I would like to keep them a secret otherwise they may not come true.

      Maxx, I will finish here and hope you don't get offended that I can't reply to your letters right away.

      Best wishes, Svetlana


Jerry, I would suggest getting to know the good guys and gals over in Tver and use them as your support team.

Maxx

[Jack]

hello Jerry and welcome.

Have a little personal experience in Tver. TverRomance?  How to I put this in it's simplest terms,....how about SCAM!

Lifetime partners is a good and honest agency in Tver. Tver Angels will be a good agency. Not sure where they are now in terms of number of ladies but that's about all they were lacking the last time I looked.

With regards to Yosh-Ola and the surrounding area I don't think a lot of knowledgeable people know this, but they are learning, the Yosh-Ola area is, and has for a couple of years now, in my opinion, exceeded Lugansk as the scam capitol of the FSU.  Just as in Lugansk there are a few honest agencies and that's the key, working with these honest agencies. It's not that the majority of ladies in either the Yosh or Lugansk areas are bad and scammers, but instead several scam agencies and individuals pretending to be beautiful ladies. Just be real careful if you begin to consider the Yosh-Ola and surronding area.

[catzenmouse]

Regarding Y-O. Send a PM to Vauhgn. He met his wife there and knows some good people in that area.

Ken

[av8or1]

Maxx, Jack, Others:

Thank you for the input, I appreciate your time and effort to reply to my inquiry.  I had no idea about Yoshkar Ola but am glad that you have made me aware of it, Jack, thanks!  I'm not certain what I will do yet, but research as this sure helps me decide.  Thank y'all SO much again.  I hope to help someone else in the future in a similar way.

Best,

Jerry

[Maxx2]

Jerry, I suggest you send PM's to Jack, Richard and Marc Dayton (LTP) and perhaps get some phone numbers. These are good guys to talk to and will not steer you wrong. Nobody that is a frequent poster here and has direct business involvement with this type of business wants to have one of their clients have a bad experience. They really want them to have a good experiences and spread the word. Frankly it's good for business.

Good luck,

Maxx

[TwoBitBandit]

When I first was directed to Tver I joined TverRomance as the lady in I was directed to was signed up there. [snip]

Maxx, this is a confusing, rambling post.  What exactly is it that you are saying TverRomance did?  That they are writing fake letters that didn't actually from the lady?

Does anyone actually have any evidence that TverRomance is a scam?

The only real complaint I could find them on any board was a message from Jack saying that they charged his clients $50 for meetings when they had previously agreed to charge $20.  This sounds a little odd to me, but I wouldn't necessarily say that makes them a "scam."

[Maxx2]

 TverRomance after not getting any of my business for over a month tried to draw me back in with a phoney letter. It was a phoney letter. On the same day I get a letter from Svetlana saying she quit her job in the jewelry store and has her family helping her set up a  seamstress business out of a storefront I get another letter from "her" saying "Our profession and especially yours is not very common". Whoever wrote that letter did not know Svetlana was no longer in a similar profession as mine and was off to other things. Besides Svetlana told the interpreter I was using that she did not write this other letter. So I ask, why trust these people?

I could have wrote my post short for people with ADS. But where would be the proof to my claim? So I post the phoney letter with an intro over a long rambling post full of information for those not handicapped.

Maxx   

[Bruce]

Suprising, because I always thought the translators who jumped from LTP were good people, but the power of greed must be overwhelming Tverromance.   I believe Maxx and now assume there are two honest agencies in Tver.  Money may not be the root, but its definitely close to the root of evil. 

[BradSTL]

Anyone care to comment on their experience in Tver or with any of these agencies? 

Hi Jerry... I have written thru BeHappy agency on Radischev Boulevard in Tver.  Mixed results.  Correspondence with 1 woman was faked, no doubts, I caught them red-handed.

My letters with 2 others were real-enough alright!   Don't think I will work out with either.  Anyway... you can call and talk to your interpreters who work on the letters, if you want.  Big bonus!

Yaffa is a favorite of mine (wonderful English, fun gal).  Planning on travelling to Tver myself.  Suggest you talk with Riverwind (Rvwnd) here at RWD before you go.

Tver has been getting good ratings on the TR's scattered around the net for 2005 and 2006, keep that in mind.

[av8or1]

[snip]

Tver has been getting good ratings on the TR's scattered around the net for 2005 and 2006, keep that in mind.

Hi BradSTL,

Your last sentence confused me.  What is getting good ratings exactly and what are "TR's" that are being scattered around?  When are you planning on taking a trip to Tver?

Thanks,

Jerry

[Michelangelo]

I have written thru BeHappy agency on Radischev Boulevard in Tver.  Mixed results.  Correspondence with 1 woman was faked, no doubts, I caught them red-handed.

Watch out for BeHappy!!!

My first FSU girlfriend lived in Tver.  I met her in person at a job in South America; she was my translator.

But an agency was needed to send flowers, so I found BeHappy on line and sent Ira 13 beautiful roses.

But the shitheads invited her to one of their socials when they delivered the flowers!!!!

Ira told me what they did.  Boy, that burned me!!!  Can you imagine?

[Rvrwind]

But the *snip*heads invited her to one of their socials when they delivered the flowers!!!!

This does tend to happen.
Just after I took over 'Brides of Tver' we had a fellow use us to deliver flowers to his lady. When I was busy taking pictures Marina was selling the program to thi ladies friends. No problem there, but when I finished taking the ladies pics she started talking to her about joining our agency.
I was a little miffed about that, but didn't want to say anything in front of the guys lady as she spoke English & would recognize the conflict. Needless to say when we drove away I set her straight, it won't happen in my agency ever again.
I usually give a buisness card just so they know who I am & my connection in it all & figure thats good enough. If they don't work out she might well join, but to try & talk her into joining when she is already with a guy is wrong, totaly wrong & I won't have it.

[catzenmouse]

Quite a while back I got a bunch of e-mails from BeHappy saying I had responses to my ad there. This was quite surprising to me as I had never heard of, or been to BeHappy. This went on for a couple of months then it stopped. I guess because I did not respond to them or even reply to the e-mails that I had no idea who they were or what they were talking about. That in itself told me enough to not even consider dealing with them.

Ken

[BradSTL]

Your last sentence confused me.  What is getting good ratings exactly and what are "TR's" that are being scattered around?  When are you planning on taking a trip to Tver?

Look for TR's (trip reports) at virtual tourist, and there is a site linked thru either tvernet.ru, or travel-russia.com, travel-russia.ru (something like that) which has TR's filed by westerners.  Some TR's are more helpful than others.

Anyway... Tver apparently is making strides in the for-hire guides to get you around the city and nearby area.  Consider checking with Uncle Pasha at staritsa.com/.ru if you want guide information.

WITH ASSISTANCE... it is easier to navigate the club/bar scene (if you want that), and with a little planning, you can take apparently take advantage of a lot of the activities available.

I recall around July, or so, someone filed a TR that bragged on Rvrwnd's guide ability (Richard--- a client of yours was *real* pleased).  This fellow got to do a lot and see a lot besides meeting girls, and was very impressed with the city.

Someone traveled to Ostashkov and was impressed with the Polish memorials that are developed there.  Stalin's NKVD held a number of Polish police and military in/around Tver, and they were moved to NKVD camps near Ostashkov and executed.

It seems the Tverskaya oblast understands its history (some of it bloody) can generate tourism, and they are developing facilities for tourists.  Rvrwind might be able to speak to this more clearly than me.

Just google "Tver", "report", "travel" and see if you can't find the websites.  I found these links through tver-related pages (some in russian), and have forgotten the addresses where I found the reports.

My travel to Tver?   Good question!   Have the cash, getting the time is a problem... given that its autumn, and new employment, finding the time will be a problem.  Hopefully soon!

[SANDRO43]

what are "TR's"

If you are stumped by some acronyms/terms used in posts here, the RWD Glossary in the Wiki may help you :
http://russianwomendiscussion.com/wiki/index.php?RWD%20Glossary

[BradSTL]

av8or1 (like the name, how long have you been flying?)

I don't know how much russian you can read... but there are interesting sites that seem to keep adding to their tourism sections.

konakvo.ru:   look in russia... tverskaya oblast (both in cyrillic) for links.

tvervov.library.tver.ru:   this links to World War II information for the oblast, this may be the online library thru Tver State University.

ostashkov.ru:   site for Ostashkov, Russia... a city northwest of Tver, in Tverskaya oblast.  There are other websites for cities in the oblast, but you can't get russian servers to transmit the pages to you at times, its real hit or miss.  Many have photogalleries, and some tourist information, depending on your ability to translate russian.  There are others, but I am still investigating them (slowly).

Happy hunting!

[Rvrwind]

recall around July, or so, someone filed a TR that bragged on Rvrwnd's guide ability (Richard--- a client of yours was *real* pleased).  This fellow got to do a lot and see a lot besides meeting girls, and was very impressed with the city.

Too bad you lost that link Brad, I'd like to see it. If you can find it again, please send it my way.
I also have tours on my site to different places around the Tver Oblast, Ostashkov is one of those places. We are contiually adding to our Travel Pages as it takesup a lot of free time a guy has or he can take his lady along as well. There's a lot of history here, finding it all & coordinating it is fun for me & fun for my clients.
You can read the "Tver the City" Page which touches on some of the history of Tver & some of the famous people who at one time lived here. Tver has a very rich history & that is just one of the reasons I chose to make my home here.

[GREGK]

It's a shame that the RW listed on TverRomance and behappy2day don't realize ( I hope) that they are with bad agencies instead of being associated with Richard or LTP. What a waste for both the RW and us!

[mike15]

I had a very good experience with TverRomance, I am not sure why this business gets bashed on this forum.  The General Manager Natasha is excellent and the translators did an great job for me as well.  They have a personal realtionship with all the girls and the talk of phony letters is a garbage.  TVER is a cool city, plenty of niteclubs and restaurants (not to mention tons of pretty girls).  Another good agency is Lifetime Partners, try them as well.

Mike

[GREGK]

mike15 I am glad you had a good experience with TverRomance but I don't think you should refer to Maxx and Jack's statements about that agency as garbage. They obviously had a different experience with them. I am sure that there are people who think behappy2day is a great agency but they still utilize phony letters as a part of their business practices!

[Maxx2]

I think a guy could use TverRomance and find the love of his life through them. But he would up his odds if he showed up in person and met these women in person via an introductory process. Then get their personal contact info from the ladies and do the agency-less communication. That is if the TR interpreter didn't run interference. One more reason to use your own interpreter or find an English speaking lady.

My previous two experiences with Russian operated and owned marriages was not pleasant. The first did their best to intimidate the lady I was writing to to give me up as I was no longer using them. She told me this. Their plan was put me together with another lady an Elena Balikina who was a college friend of the agency's owner's daughter. They actually slyly introduced us to each other and arranged some social get together with her. The other agency set me with my GCG wife. It had all the elements of a scam from encouragement through agency "friends" of my ladies love for me, their 'rush to the altar' help for us, immigration advice from their attorney to my wife right before she arrived, advise on details on how to pull the DV scam after I filed for the divorce to support from agency friends here in the US to help get a job and probably to find a new man. I believe this was all financed with money she scammed from me with the help of her mother. As my now ex-wife told me when we were still together about the agency owner, "Alex does nothing without money".   

From what I know of these businesses it is getting harder and harder to make a profit from them. It must be very tempting to cut some ethical corners and send out bogus encouragement letters and reminders a few days later that 'such and such' holiday or birthday is coming. It only takes one attentive man can make payroll for the interpreter(s).

Maxx