TverRomance

[Jack]

...."Butting heads with Dan is as distasteful as butting heads with Natasha"....

Now Maxx not Marx, although I agree with you 100% about your experience and opinions about Natasha, and I am going to voice my opinion as to this fine marriage agency when I can read Natasha's response and time allows, as I will need a little time to respond in hopes of helping dummy Mike and puppy dog Bruno.  And although I see, again only in my opinion right or wrong that Dan is riding your ass a bit (hang in there Maxx), but I have to disagree from my personal perspective when you make the following statement above, and from someone who has butted heads with both, my head butt's with Dan were never distasteful, never un-ethical, never misleading or outright lying or trying to obtain financial gains from false representations.

Oh, what an interesting life these agency owners must live. From the soap opera 'As the World Turns', right now my biggest concern is if I have anyone to work with in Tver!!!  If Marc is now aligned with Natasha (something I would have never believed possible from past conversations with Marc) and if Richard is working with Behappilyscamed, I'm desperately searching for a hopeful fifth agency in Tver.

[Doug S]

Is it possible to get posters on here that are over 12 years old?

How about some that are younger than 70?

[Marc Dayton]

If Marc is now aligned with Natasha

Jack I don't work with Natasha, My wrighting must be bad. I am only saying if you don't use LTP!! Natasha is a better choice then the other two services. Also I don't belive that Richard works with behappy today. He only worked for them in the past, and wile working for them he knew what they did and keep working with them back what about 3 or 4 years ago.

[mike15]

Hey Jack

What is your point in your last post.  It seems to go on about nothing.

[BC]

Is it possible to get posters on here that are over 12 years old?

Thanks jb,

I was feeling bad about the board breaking last night and losing all those wise words from a few..

Now I don't feel half so bad, as it was for naught anyway.

 

This started out as a customer / agency report and rapidly dwindled to a agency / agency bash...

I get a nagging feeling that the curtains on this thread are drawing to a close.

[Admin]

Thanks jb,

I was feeling bad about the board breaking last night and losing all those wise words from a few..

Now I don't feel half so bad, as it was for naught anyway.

 

This started out as a customer / agency report and rapidly dwindled to a agency / agency bash...

I get a nagging feeling that the curtains on this thread are drawing to a close.

Yeah - let's put it up for a vote - Locked or NHB?

I vote for NHB as it has proven to have some entertainment value, at least.

- Dan

[jb]

Frankly, Dan, the "Delete" function seems a good choice to me.

[Maxx2]

Make it a sticky with a table of contents.

Maxx

[TexasBoar]

Frankly, Dan, the "Delete" function seems a good choice to me.

I couldn't agree more.

That, and a group hug, lol. 

~Boar

[Marc Dayton]

take out all the agencies, and let Maxx have his post

[Maxx2]

Jack, Dan and everyone, My "butting heads" comment was meant by me to mean I find doing this as something I do not find enjoyable. And I know I get a little hot and am called Madd Maxx from time to time but I do it for a reason. My bold statements are made to be noticed. I have noticed the meek and mild and what they say and believe are not noticed on these message boards.

Maxx

[BillyB]

Don't lock it yet but if neccessary, open if for Natasha since she said she will comment further. I like to see her have the option of keeping her word instead of an excuse.

[jb]

I feel that all the Tver agencies got a black eye out of this thread.  But since less than 1% of all the travelers read a board like this, they will still hold up their heads in mock proud honor, and plod along with the next sucker in tow.

It's just a money maker folks, you should remember that if a business isn't making money, it goes away.  Neither Marc Dayton, nor Natasha, or Tver agencies et al, are really concerned if you meet a nice woman or not, they are in business to seperate you from your cash.

Bottom line rules.

[Admin]

Jack, Dan and everyone, My "butting heads" comment was meant by me to mean I find doing this as something I do not find enjoyable. And I know I get a little hot and am called Madd Maxx from time to time but I do it for a reason. My bold statements are made to be noticed. I have noticed the meek and mild and what they say and believe are not noticed on these message boards.

Maxx

Maxx,

For you to make this (or try to) into a pissing match between you and me was..... well, just more than a little ludicrous.

For you to dredge up garbage from eons ago in which you had a very minor role is... odd.

And my interpretation of the message you just posted is that YOU choose to be the voice of the "meek and mild" on these boards. While possibly a commendable initiative - I have to wonder whether or not those "meek and mild" whom you purport to represent, would elect you to the role?

Marc said it correctly - that if we leave it open, it is to "let Maxx have his post" - and the majority, myself included, think the topic has run its course.

Topic is closed.

Will open if/when Natasha sends me a PM asking to reply (or sends me, as Maxx suggested in one of the lost posts, a photo in her underwear)   :hairraising:

j/k about the last part (I *think*).

- Dan

[Admin]

Well, no underwear photos  - but Natasha would like to reply, so the topic is open, at least temporarily.

- Dan

[Natasha_Deeva]

Hello again gentlemen,

Today I will tell you how our company actually got started.

All the girls who work with me now in TR, including myself originally were employees of Lifetime Partners. I personally worked for Lifetime Partners as an interpreter since the 1996 until the fall of 2003. We all, starting from owners and managers down to interpreters, drivers and even the cleaning lady, loved our company, our work and we all were not simply a good team, but more like a family. There were great times and not so great times, but we all together worked through them and were happy. Unfortunately, the original owner of the company decided to sell it and after the company has been sold and bought several times, where each owner wanted to do things their own certain way, many people had to go. Certain salesmen could not get along with new owners, left the company and therefore the number of clients reduced. There was no job for as many interpreters as there were in the company and many went unemployed for weeks. I personally stayed with the company as long as it was possible without having myself to go hungry.

Several people, including myself decided we could do things a better way than they were done at that time in LP, we thought about it for like one day and decided we are going to start a new company. Which we did. A week after we first made this decision our company was registered with the state, we rented an office and opened our doors to the public. When you work as an interpreter you tend to get to know a lot of women and if you are a good interpreter you make friends with the women you interpret for. I know it is hard for you to believe, but we did not have to steal the database from LP. We just started calling the women we knew and telling them about our new company, we invited them to come and have their pictures and videos taken and fill out profile forms. At the same time we were advertising on TV, radio, in news papers, advertising boards around the city and so on. This is how we collected the database of women we have now. It did not come easy to us as some of you might think after having read some posts on this board. Even Richard, the expert of this board, mentioned once (not purposefully, I am sure) that when we launched our website there were just a few women on it, and only after several months we “managed” as he put it to recruit more girls. Why, if we had a database of 2000+ women in our hands would we not use it? Start naming the reasons!

Anyway, for those who are still wondering, all the women in our database are real. More over, I and the girls who work with me in the office know them all personally. Our database is updated frequently and none of the girls are unavailable. FYI Sometimes girls prefer to be unavailable when they see a picture of a man or read his letter. But of course, for this kind of men, it is easier to blame everything on the agency.

In my next post I will speak about why it might take several days and sometimes weeks for a woman to reply to a letter.

Oh, and gentlemen, I noticed I am now being called a man hater for saying “insulting and incorrect” things in my last post. What about “a pretty skirt, who just happens to have good English skills’? How insulting is that in your opinion? : )))

Have a great day. See you soon.

Natasha.

[Darth Vader]

Hi Natasha,

Thanks for the update and new information.  I can see how, with your knowledge of the girls at LT, you could recruit them without stealing them from the old database. That's just capitalism at work.

But I will call you to task about your rebuttal of the "man-hater" charge.

Fact is, in your last post, you wrote that men here did not respect you because you are a woman. You wrote

"First of all, I feel that the reason behind the attack our agency and I are experiencing here is that certain American men can’t put up with the fact that a few Russian women can start and operate a company that is able to not only provide excellent services to our customers..."

That is simply not true, and if you read the posters who responded to that, you'll see that men here have great respect for women.  They too stated their respect for women and cited agencies run by FSU women they respected.

The guy who called you a man-hater uses too strong a term.  But your statement was incorrect and uncalled for.  There were may legitimate questions asked about TR, but you dodged those and used the "gender card".  Very unfair and untrue.  Gender was NOT the reason for the questions about TR.   Faked letters were.

So I think you need to apologize for that statement you made about American men being sexist.

We look forward to learning more about your company.

Darth

[mike15]

Well said Natasha

[BillyB]

when we launched our website there were just a few women on it, and only after several months we “managed” as he put it to recruit more girls. Why, if we had a database of 2000+ women in our hands would we not use it? Start naming the reasons!

Natasha,

I don't think LP ever had 2000 girls on it. But how do you remember 20+ girls phone numbers off the top of your head to even think about starting your company? One would have to copy it from the computer's database, technically stealing it from the computer.

The other option is we would have to call Marc and Doc Woody liars since there was never a databased stolen. Using your style of reasoning, why would anybody steal a database unless they were going to use it. Since nobody used it, I guess it wasn't stolen.

Natasha , lets see the bikini photos and all may be forgiven.

[Louie]

Mr. D try not to hurt yourself patting yourself on the back, there are a lot of guys that have never left there state, much less travel to a foreign country, so they want a little help, they don't need your pity and they are not fools, they need some help and information. not made fun of or belittled, I myself have been all over the world, had a business in the middle east right after a war! proposed to my first wife on the great wall of China! but going to Russia kinda intimidates me a little, will I do it all on my own? probably not, will I seek some help? most likely, what i need is help, not to be condescended to

[mike15]

Marriage agencies seem even scarier to me. Who needs em?

Doug
The agency thing worked for me.  It is great you have 3 weeks to travel, most people (including me) are lucky with a week.  Agencies are not for everyone, but they take a lot of the uncertainty out of this process.

BB
What is your agenda,
it is common for salespeople to keep records of all their clients.
My opinion...this is between Marc and Natasha.

[jinx13]

 After reading some of these posts I can see why Natasha thinks Americans are sexist, and that inlcudes her introduction post in another thread. I know you guys are just joking around, but really what, are we still in high school? Let's see some bikini pics?

 I encouraged my girlfriend to come on here and check things out, and post if she has any advice. Thought it would be nice to have the woman's point of view, and she is Ukrainian. Now I think I will discourage her from doing it, I don't want people talking to her like she's just a piece of ass. I guess this is a boy's club only, some of you guys need to grow up.

[tims]

Anyway, for those who are still wondering, all the women in our database are real. More over, I and the girls who work with me in the office know them all personally. Our database is updated frequently and none of the girls are unavailable. FYI Sometimes girls prefer to be unavailable when they see a picture of a man or read his letter. But of course, for this kind of men, it is easier to blame everything on the agency.

Natasha,

You have said that your women are real.  available too. this is somewhat easily to believe. but what matters is their reason for being in the agency.  are they only looking for free dates with men? why are some of your women's profiles so old?  why haven't they found a man yet, russian or otherwise? this is what concerns me.

thanx Tim

[Michelangelo]

The guy who called you a man-hater uses too strong a term. 

That guy was me.  And Darth, you are right.  It was too strong.

But her remark was sexist. And I think on purpose, to shift the attention away from the issues at hand about her agency.  It was also inaccurate, as the vast majority of men here are Americans and view women as equals.

Well, we do have BBs comment, but I believe he was joking. 

I'm sorry.  I should have not called her a "man-hating sexist."  I'll just leave it as "sexist."  And I still think she is laughing and laughing at the goats as she takes their money...

[Admin]

After reading some of these posts I can see why Natasha thinks Americans are sexist, and that inlcudes her introduction post in another thread. I know you guys are just joking around, but really what, are we still in high school? Let's see some bikini pics?

 I encouraged my girlfriend to come on here and check things out, and post if she has any advice. Thought it would be nice to have the woman's point of view, and she is Ukrainian. Now I think I will discourage her from doing it, I don't want people talking to her like she's just a piece of ass. I guess this is a boy's club only, some of you guys need to grow up.

David,

You may have missed a few posts that were lost yesterday, unfortunately. One of them made a pretty benign reference to Sensuality having appeared at RWD in her underwear - which was factually inaccurate - but in an attempt at some humor, I chose to cite that comment in connection with this topic.

I doubt, VERY seriously, if Natasha took my comment seriously.

And BTW - except for a very few guys on the board - I don't think there are many (maybe not any - though there is one British guy I am not so sure about) who would make any disparaging comments - especially of a salacious nature - towards any woman who is involved with a guy on the board.

I doubt that will make you any more comfortable - but I felt compelled to offer my $.02 worth.

- Dan