What the Other Half Wants

[SANDRO43]

Recently we had several threads and posts discussing what FSUW look for in WM, and why. I think it may be interesting to read THEIR point of view (for instance, what they write in their MOB profiles).

Here's a first case :
Age: 35
Height: 167 cm ~ 5ft 5"
Weight: 59 kg ~ 130 lb
Eye color: Blue
Hair color: Ashen
Build body: slim
Education: college
Profession: manager
Occupation: manager
Smokes: No
Zodiac: Pisces
Marital status: divorced
Number of children: 1 child
Child 1 Name: Konstantin
Child 1 age: 17
Child 1 sex: Male
In own words: I am cheerful and active, with various hobbies. I like sport, good music, theaters, walks in the woods. I am sensual, sociable, curious, kind and affectionate. I find an interest in everything new. I enjoy taking care of my relatives. I am a good housewife, friend and lover.
Seeks Partner: I appreciate the reliable, decent and generous men. What do I like about men from abroad? They are family-oriented and ready to bear responsibility for a family; considerate towards women, wives, kind with children; lead a healthy lifestyle. So I made my mind to meet a man from abroad. I have no experience but I trust to luck.
Seeks Partner: 35 - 57 years old
Her location: Moscow, Russia

[BillyB]

Beware of  agency's profiles because they could influence the women to write certain things to catch a man and alter the the age range for men. Dating sites like bride.ru and freepersonals are more realistic when it comes to profiles of women. You will find less women who accept large age gaps and more atheists which actually turn off the majority of  Christian men in Western countries.

[SANDRO43]

BillyB, I posted THIS particular profile just because it sounded, at least to me, rather genuine and not the usual, run-of-the-mill, agency-influenced script. Of course, that's my subjective opinion.

[BillyB]

Seeks Partner: I appreciate the reliable, decent and generous men. What do I like about men from abroad? They are family-oriented and ready to bear responsibility for a family; considerate towards women, wives, kind with children; lead a healthy lifestyle. So I made my mind to meet a man from abroad. 
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This is why I thought it was agency scripted or at least she bought into agency hype fed to her. Only agencies in Russia would talk so kindly of Western men with no reservations.

[SANDRO43]

Hmm, too complimentary to be true ? Well, a fellow member is possibly off chasing her, so we might get a closer look at this in due course .

[BillyB]

Well.... If that fellow member is you, then good luck.  If she did buy into agency hype, that doesn't make her a bad person but tell her she should be cautious since there are a lot of nut cases seeking foreign women.
    There have been a number of newby men that come on the forums with the idea that all Russian women make devoted, family oriented, loving wives. They of course got their ideas from agency literature. But the veterans here will give them a dose of reality.

[SANDRO43]

Not me, BillyB, I'm outside her specified age range , and furthermore I don't hide behind 3rd-person allusions in my posts ("Doctor, I have a friend who has a problem with ..."). Rather, someone who pestered me for this address and that of the other girl whose photo I had attached a couple of days ago elsewhere. Shall not repeat the mistake of showing a pretty face again, hungry wolves lurking here .

[Sohkay]

It's interesting Sandro...the lurking wolves don't do an internet search. It took all of about 5 seconds to find out about this woman.

She IS very pretty.

[SANDRO43]

It's interesting Sandro...the lurking wolves don't do an internet search. It took all of about 5 seconds to find out about this woman.

Let me guess, you Googled Konstantin 5ft 5" (she comes out 1st on that query). Maybe hunger does not sharpen wit in wolves .

She IS very pretty.

Quite agree, was tempted myself .

[viking]

Sohkay

Perhaps some do not know how to use google to its fullest. Perhaps one of us can give a crash course to others on how to search on parameters other than names or addresses?

[Sohkay]

Viking,
My knowledge of search technology doesn't even compare to someone like Bruno's. He would be your best resource.

Sohkay

[SANDRO43]

Perhaps some do not know how to use google to its fullest. Perhaps one of us can give a crash course to others on how to search on parameters other than names or addresses?

Basically, the trick is to pick out something that is either unique (unlikely) or with as few likely occurrences as possible, to avoid having too many result pages to wade through.

In the subject profile, Konstantin and 5ft 5" is one possibility.

Even better is the debated statement I appreciate the reliable, decent and generous men. What do I like about men from abroad? They are family-oriented and ready to bear responsibility for a family; considerate towards women, wives, kind with children; lead a healthy lifestyle. So I made my mind to meet a man from abroad. I have no experience but I trust to luck., or substantial parts of it, such as a whole sentence or several words from it.

On the other hand, if you use bits like manager, Pisces, divorced, 35 - 57 years old, either alone or in combination, you're likely to turn up quite a few references.

So, now be a good boy and do your homework : use data from that profile and see what Google queries of yours can produce http://angelika.net/ladies/qa1203.shtml as 1st result.

"Practice makes perfect" .

[Gator]

What can we infer from Yulia's profile? 

Photos:  She seems like a classy lady, as you would expect with many Moscow women.  She dresses elegantly, wears minimal yet tasteful jewelry, and knows how to wear makeup.  She is not a Walmart cashier.  She seems personable.  Also, she wears a padded bra, but so what.  Grade:  A

Education:  Yulia does not have a university degree, which is unlike most sophisticated Moscow women.  That is probably because she had a baby at age 18.  Grade:  C

Describing Herself:  Because of her Level 2 English, you can be sure she did not write her profile.  How much of the wording is Yulia vs. her interpreter is a guess, but much of it is probably her thinking.  How about the use of the term “Ashen” to describe her hair – her translator is good.  Although a true trait, I have never seen a woman write, “I enjoy taking care of my relatives.”  If so, why is she leaving them to marry a foreign man.  That and saying she is a good “housewife” suggest she is trying to portray herself as what most foreign men seek.  In contrast, my Moscow woman of three years wrote, “I hate to cook”, even though she is a good cook – she was trying to eliminate the men looking for a maid and sex slave.  Oh, in keeping with that theme, Yulia says she is a good “lover” – that will get men fantasizing.  Too much for me.  Grade:  C-

What She Wants in her Partner:   This is discussed above, and as Billy said, I would not give it much credence.  Setting her upper age limit at 57 concerns me.  She is a good looking woman and can find many younger men.  Some single mothers who are worried about security for their children will consider older men.  However, her son is 17.  That is the age when sons leave the nest.  She perhaps is looking to start a new life without children and wants to do it outside Russia.  Grade:  Incomplete


Other:  Yulia joined around September 2006, and her address has already been purchased by 37 men.  Besides the 37, there are many more men.  She may be listed on another site, and somehow her information gets passed around on the Internet.  Then there are the many men who come to Moscow, many on business, who never write but will pay the agency for an introduction, and the agency will likely trot her out frequently. 

So whoever is trying to woo this woman has some competition.  That is good in my opinion – she has choices and will not be desperate. 

Because Yulia says she will consider older men, I imagine most of the men who write her are exactly that.  Some men will think if she will consider 57, why not 62.  I could write her except I no longer pursue women in their 30s.  Many of her suitors will probably not interest her.  Any man writing her should make sure she receives a translated hard copy with good photos to set himself apart, otherwise she may quickly hit "delete".   

Is she worth it?  Not for me.  But you are the man with the dream.

[SANDRO43]

Gator, you performed an excellent dissection of Yulia's data, maybe we should rename this thread "How To Read an MOB profile" . I must admit I had overlooked the discrepancy between her Level 2 English (Understands only simple written text with help of dictionary, needs most letters translated) and the style of her profile text.

Let me continue this as an exercise, to see what else one could learn/infer/speculate (I repeat I am NOT "the man with the dream" in this case).

Her profile was included in a newsletter I received on Nov 4 from Anton's Russian Introductions, an Australia-based subsidiary of Angelika Net, which confirms your hypothesis that :

She may be listed on another site, and somehow her information gets passed around on the Internet.

The newsletter said "And now some new ladies from our Latest Additions". However, if one visits the site's Latest Additions page (http://www.antonsintro.net/latest), Yulia is NOT there. The bottom note in her profile "The profile page of this lady from Russia was last modified at Sat Nov 4 00:59:20 2006 GMT" (standard for new entries, too, programmer's laziness ) in this case must be taken literally : she changed her original profile on November 4.

The HTML code of the newsletter page contains :
href="http://www.antonsintro.net/ladies/qa1203.shtml"><IMG align=left alt="Yulia qa1203, 35, 167cm, Moscow, Russia, En:3" width="100" height="150" border="2" style="border-color:#0000ff" hspace=0 src="http://www.blondevenus.net/images/LettersHTML/031106/qa1203.jpg" vspace=5>
The link for her photo means her ORIGINAL profile was posted on Blonde Venus. A Google search on her "qa1203" code turns up several refences from the various sites of the Angelika Net galaxy, including one from Blonde Venus whose cached version is dated 10 Jul 2006.

37 contacts in about 3 months mean, arithmetically, about 1 contact every 2.5 days, which would seem an encouraging response rate. However, most contacts usually occur in the first week or so after posting a profile, and subsequently tend to dribble down to a trickle. Yulia may have noticed this and therefore modified her profile to reawaken interest, which should also mean she was not satisfied with her previous contacts. Since her original profile is no longer available, one cannot determine whether the profile change was in her text and/or photos.

A final consideration : the use of "ASHEN" as her hair colour is probably not a sophisticated translator's touch, but her choice from a list of selectable entries in the site's profile submission page, same as "Aqua" for green eye-colour on another site.

[SANDRO43]

OK, here's another case:
Age:   32
City:   Moscow
Occupation: art dealer   
Education:   higher   
Religion: Christian   
Marital Status: divorced   
Kids:   no kids
Languages spoken: fluent English, German
My personality traits are: serious, kind, loyal, elegant, sociable, communicative, sensitive, gentle, cheerful, optimistic, romantic, responsible.
More about me:   My name is Natasha. Divorced. I have no children, but I want to have them very much in the future marriage. No bad habits. I can speak English and German I shall learn the language of my future husband with great pleasure. You can believe me, when I tell you, you've never met a woman quite like me. I am very romantic, kind, calm, devoted woman, who does like home coziness. I enjoy good company, music. I adore literature, sport, travel, like to dance, to go to the theater and cinema, to drive a (motor-)car. Like any woman I am fond of talking but at the same time I am a good listener. Marriage for me is a mutual work of two people. I suppose the man should be the head of the family. And the woman duty is to respect his opinion even if it differs. It would be a boring world if we all had the same ideas!   
Age group of a partner: 30-50   
My perception of an ideal relationship:   I like a smart, honest man, who has a good sense of humor. I would like to meet a man from 30 up to 50 years old, who likes this life, enjoys it, who loves children and does want to have friendly family.

Age difference is -2/+18, and she says she speaks fluent English.

Note to local hungry wolves : from Bride RU, please do not PM me to get her page address, do your own search .

[jb]

Sandro,

She isn't hard to find since she pops up on the banner page.  Closer inspection of *her* page is a revelation of "artfully" posed photos.  When she says she is an art dealer I have to wonder what kind of "art" she deals in.  Has she posed for other photos herself?

The ability to speak English and German is unusual for everyday folks in Russia, but might not be a bad thing for a girl who *dates* a lot of foreign men.  Especially foreign men who come to town with lots of Euros in their pockets

I'm certainly beyond her age target, but even if I were squarely in the bracket I'd probably give her a miss.  There is something not quite right, her face reminds me of the old saying; "She looks like she's been rode hard and put away wet a time or two", (gawd, I just can't stop thinking about horses).  It all makes me wonder what her hourly rate was a few years ago.

[BillyB]

She's new on the scene at Bride.ru and at freepersonals. She's probably getting 20 or more letters a day from men at the moment. Lot's more photos here:
http://freepersonals.ru/view_anket.php?id=233049&photo=9

[SANDRO43]

She isn't hard to find since she pops up on the banner page.

 JB, she's there because that page presents the day's new entries.

Closer inspection of *her* page is a revelation of "artfully" posed photos. When she says she is an art dealer I have to wonder what kind of "art" she deals in. 

BillyB discovered a larger set of photos on Free Personals (how did you get her, BB ?).

[jb]

JB, she's there because that page presents the day's new entries.

I doubt that, this woman has been around a while.

She's probably getting 20 or more letters a day from men at the moment.

Hummmm. A model quality woman can't find a man to marry her.  I find this hook very hard to swallow.  She is either looking for a very rich man... 

Or there may even be a Fat Yuri behind those photos.  One should not forget, free personals is a scammer's favorite hunting grounds.

[BillyB]

 
(how did you get her, BB ?).

I didn't get her, I'm unavailable since I'm engaged. Oh, you meant how did I find her?  Since  I refer guys to Bride.ru occasionally and that's where I found my fiancee, I occasionally look at the site and knew the woman's photo you posted was just listed there. I happened to remember she signed up on freepersonals the same day so I didn't need to google. I don't remember everyone's faces but the woman signed up recently on Nov 7. Lot's of ladies at bride.ru and freepersonals don't use marriage agencies and are more honest with what they say about themselves in a profile and what they want for age of partner. Whenever I need stats pertaining to RW "wants" to debate with, I usually go to these two sites.

But keep in mind, you can withhold a woman's name, photo, weight, age, height and the city she lives in and still give out too much info to where somebody can find her at a website.  With scammers, since they are constantly changing names, addresses, photos etc.., the best way to find they out is to Google selected phrases from their canned letters to discover if they're a scammer or not.

[BillyB]

I can't say she's a scammer yet Jb but whoever takes her home should not be surprised he's going to have to keep her in style.

[TexasBoar]

I can't say she's a scammer yet Jb but whoever takes her home should not be surprised he's going to have to keep her in style.

I don't have enough experience to float an opinion of my own here, except to say that other than being clearly high maintenance she's my kind of gal---tastefully decorated apartment, works in the arts, gorgeous and sensual-looking.  I'm pretty sure I'd need double or triple my current income, minimum, to get her attention, though.

She does put me in mind---to offer a more charitable explanation than jb's---of a conversation that occurred here a little while back about childless women in their late 20's and early 30's with their own businesses being formerly "sponsored" women looking for a more permanent arrangement overseas.

~Boar

[Gator]

Sponsoring happens frequently in the FSU, whether the woman be young and childless or young with child.  It may take the simple form of a date once per week and $400 each month.  Or it may be a full-time mistress arrangement.  Whatever, do not be shocked if a woman ever confides such with you.  Most women would never tell you.

A RW does not consider it prostitution, rather an affair with a married man who she chooses and who helps her out.  It happens in America.

I have met women in their 30s who were childless and seemed above this practice.  They were highly educated (e. g, doctors) and did not live so well, usually with their parents.

[TexasBoar]

Within reason, I'd consider it to have some clear advantages over a previous marriage: no ex to deal with, or (in the case of a widow) memory to live up to, and a woman who clearly has no problem with dating an older man! 

~Boar

[David1963]

The agency profiles I wouldn't trust to be very accurate if the lady doesn't speak English very well.  The agency will usually write those for her.  Even the ones who speak English well will have a lot of agency influence.  Even the free sites, the ladies will enbellish the profiles or write what she thinks will get her the best response. 

If a person has any experience with dating locally through the internet you KNOW you always take these profiles with a grain of salt.