What is the truth about Russian women? Read this.....

[FSUrookie]

I found the information about Russian women at the link below very informative. Any opinions on this?
www.askalla.com/twr/index.html

[PeeWee]

I read the first page. The author seemed to present in an unbiased and fair way. I agreeded with what I read.

Peewee

[DKMM]

I know I'm being vague, but I'd say its mostly what I consider true in my experience.  Of course, she is mainly extolling the virtues of pursuing FSU women without much of the cons.  There is some obvious bias to be expected from someone selling a service such as hers.

She's got some lookers though, you considering her service?  I bet its pricey!

[FSUrookie]

If you read through all the chapters, it really sounds like good advice, and in my experiences, much of it is true. And actually, I didn't see her selling anything. I only posted it to see if everyone had similar experiences similar to what she had described. It is all a good read if you go through all the chapters. Her information, which is all free for reading actually puts the whole Russian Women Dating experience in the proper perspective, at I think much of what she says seems accurate, based on the few travels I have had to the FSU countries.

[Turboguy]

I started off to read a chapter or two.  Once you get into the history part you can't stop reading.  It really explains a lot of what goes into the makeup of a Russian woman.   Ususally when you read about the history of a country it is facts, wars and general things about the ruler.   She presents the psychology of the day and an insight into the reasons things happened.   I have to say it was one of the best things I have read.  I thought I knew a lot about Russia.  I know know much more.

Really only a small part is about dating and finding a wife.   I think in the parts that are there you can understand much more about a RW's psychology.   I plan to read this several more times completely.

[BC]

I think y'all are reading way too much into this.  Sure, one may find some weak parallels with the women you are dating but to think you have hit the mother lode in understand RW is wrong.  Think it's plausible to study Pilgrim women and think you know something more about the modern day AW? 

To one degree or other the traits described are present in all women worldwide..  The degrees found will ultimately be more relevant to individuals than their ancestors.  One thing I will agree with is that women are generally much better at adaptation to drastic change than men.

As a brief historical overview of RW, fine, but don't expect much more.

[jb]

As I said on the other thread, it reads like a sales pitch.  Would you buy a used Lada from this woman?

[Gator]

I just skimmed it so my comments could be wrong.  It is a little outdated and I feel that it paints a somewhat more rosier and romantic picture than reality.

Yet, it offers the Newbie some insight into these fascinating women.  Consider it as one of many and sometimes contradictory guidelines.  Just do not take it as Gospel.

[Turboguy]

As I said on the other thread, it reads like a sales pitch.  Would you buy a used Lada from this woman?

To be honest jb, someone is going to have to be a heck of a sales person to sell me a used Lada at all.

BC, I agree with you it is not the mother lode of understaning RW but I think it shows history more from a perspective of how it influced live in Russia than I have usually seen and I think it does put a lot of things in perspective.   I really did not have time to read the whole thing but once I got into the history part, I could not stop reading.   I thought the first page was most of the hype we always hear but I think she does a good job in analizing and presenting her information.

[jb]

T/G,

I'm sorry, but I don't think taking the "historical" view is going to help you.  Do you honestly think your vwrw is going to match all these traits?  Lemme tell you, she was only 9 years old when the SU fell apart 17 years ago.  You are most likely dealing with a thouroughly modern Russian woman who has little or no understanding of what her babushka and her parents lived with for so many years.  She's a totally different kettle of fish than my wife is at age 50.  As sweet and as smart as vwrw is, she won't fit into a mold that was broken 17 years ago.

A note to all youse guys who are looking for the mythical "traditional" wife, she probably doesn't exist under 35-40 years of age.  These younger women are very adapt to the modern world, they are not dummies.  Most are a far sight smarter than you are.

[KenC]

jb,
Well, you're right and you're also wrong IMO on this.  Lena is just a few years older than VWRW, but was heavily influenced by her parents and grandparents that did live most of their lives during the Soviet era.  Most children do get their modis operandi via their parents.  Of course I also agree that the younger generations will be a changing, but it is going to take a while.

Did you read the site in question here?  I did and came away rather impressed.  I don't necessarily agree with all that is written (which is about par for the course with me) but thoroughly enjoyed the read.
KenC

[Turboguy]

jb,

Good point jb.  That is about exactly what the story line said when I read it. 

KenC,  Yes, that was about my take on it too.   I too did not agree with everything but I think the article was impressive, well expressed and put a little logic into my thoughts about Russia.

[Son of Clyde]

As many guys before me have found out, I was totally wrong on a number of levels. RW are every bit as stubborn as AW and maybe more so

The older women who lived through a communist regime probably had no control of their day to day existence. Things were probably structured and probably the state dictated mostly everything in  daily life.

As jb stated, the younger women who bypassed this, are being brought up in chaos in a country that has yet to find itself financially.

These younger women want (rightfully so) more from life than to be controlled by the government. When we meet them if they are younger than 35, they may seem difficult, if we are not understanding from the day they arrive in the US.

Now I am hearing, that in Ukraine, real estate and prices on everything seem to be skyrocketing.

My opinion (and I have known from day one it would be a challenge) is to disregard everything I had thought about the FSU. Since 1992 it is not the same place at all.

So the younger women some of us may be seeking are going from a country in turmoil to a country they assume to be the land of milk and honey. This is far from the truth. We have poverty also and not every American male is Donald Trump.

My wife has adjusted very well but in the beginning she had a dismal view of the US. She did not understand that we had rules  about many things. It was not do as you please. In the early days she expected I could just pick up the phone and change an appointment to anytime she had available. And she could walk into a doctor's office and be treated special. My doctor is lucky to have time to spend more than 8 minutes with each patient (but they are 8  quality minutes).

[Michelangelo]

Lemme tell you, she was only 9 years old when the SU fell apart 17 years ago.  You are most likely dealing with a thouroughly modern Russian woman who has little or no understanding of what her babushka and her parents lived with for so many years.  She's a totally different kettle of fish than my wife is at age 50.  As sweet and as smart as vwrw is, she won't fit into a mold that was broken 17 years ago.

In theory, that makes sense, JB. 

But in reality, my girl (who is 31 and just 4 years older than vwrw), is a soviet girl through and through.  Don't underestimate the power of sovet propaganda during those formative years and the culture that changes slowly.

In addition, I'll agree with KenC in terms of family influence.

[groovlstk]

The older women who lived through a communist regime probably had no control of their day to day existence. Things were probably structured and probably the state dictated mostly everything in  daily life.

Man, I can hear Elen's ghost rattling her chains about this one.

[PeeWee]

jb,
Well, you're right and you're also wrong IMO on this.  Lena is just a few years older than VWRW, but was heavily influenced by her parents and grandparents that did live most of their lives during the Soviet era.  Most children do get their modis operandi via their parents.  Of course I also agree that the younger generations will be a changing, but it is going to take a while.

Did you read the site in question here?  I did and came away rather impressed.  I don't necessarily agree with all that is written (which is about par for the course with me) but thoroughly enjoyed the read.
KenC

Agree with Turbo and Ken. Thoughts, opinions, and beliefs in the young are influenced by the old, the teachers if you will. To know something at all you must read something. This piece looks like it would be more informative and accurate than something else what was even more biased...such as any agency hype that you might read.

Peewee

[Michelangelo]

The older women who lived through a communist regime probably had no control of their day to day existence. Things were probably structured and probably the state dictated mostly everything in  daily life.

Man, I can hear Elen's ghost rattling her chains about this one.

Actually, my girl did not like Disneyland music.  It reminded her of the soviet days, when the state played happy music in the morning and the people were to be happy...by order of the state 

[FSUrookie]

I agree with you guys (KenC & Turbo). The article covers some important ground, and in an unbiased way. And in other ways, it's another reality check.....

[BeenThereDoneThat]

Great information and very useful!

[Globetrotter]

An interesting read extolling the virtues of FSU women.  So I quess the next question would be, why chase one?  P/L former contributer Yoe/Joe put it best"  The FSU is the greatest singles bar in the world, but it costs $2G's to walk in the door."  For years, many look for statistics about divorce rates or unique features RW have that others don't have.  They are compared to AW of the 50's.  I think some RW will retain some of their "virtues" in the many chapter read, but at the end of the day they are far more likely to become Russian woman who have learned the American way.  Whereby this may give you some time to watch the changes in her once here, you had better be able to meet "her expectations" emotionally, spiritually, physically, and financially at the end of the day.  Those with little skills in the dating game or those who think these women are the magic bullet for a happy life had best stay home. 

I love the fact that I am able to compete on a level there that's better than the playing field here, such as large numbers to choose from, but my philosophy is that they are all the same, or soon will be, and thus, the skills necessary to keep one, are the same.

I asked my girl (44) why not a Russian guy.  She said firstly, men my age looking for girls  her age are not around.  And those that are, well she just doesn't want to form a relationship with a RM who has all the bad traits we've gotten to think of regarding RM.  She was amazed that a 48 yr old AW who my brother married 6 months ago found a guy like my brother to marry her...same with my best friend's widow who remarried at 50.  She said in Russia, it's impossible.  She said good RM exist, but are married and tend to stay married.  And, if one should become available, there are so many younger RW after them, she would never have a chance.  So, for her, it's a numbers game, but the opposite...whereby she has none to choose from, we have many.  She wants a relationship with someone, but that someone had better be suitable for her, or she would rather live alone.  Mind you there is a 10 year age difference between us, and that is as much as I prefer.  I probably could stretch that age envelope, but closer to my age is where I am comfortable.  When here, she got no bad surprises, only good and happy ones.  Lucky me as I get to see over the next year where we fit into each other's lives on her turf as well as mine.  There won't be more that 8 weeks passing whereby she won't be here or me there...or somewhere else.  For me that's best, and I'm quite pleased I'm able to do it.  Finally, it depends on your attitudes toward each other, who you pick, knowing if she's an actress on her best behavior for a few months or a few years, and you need lots of luck, and....the chase sure is exciting.

Best luck to all.  Cheers. 

[KenC]

"you had better be able to meet "her expectations" emotionally, spiritually, physically, and financially at the end of the day.  Those with little skills in the dating game or those who think these women are the magic bullet for a happy life had best stay home." 


Great advice, Globetrotter!
KenC

[Globetrotter]

Thanks Ken.  Get the pics?

[Rvrwind]

"you had better be able to meet "her expectations" emotionally, spiritually, physically, and financially at the end of the day.  Those with little skills in the dating game or those who think these women are the magic bullet for a happy life had best stay home."

Now thems some words of wisdom!!

[SANDRO43]

Just saw a 30-minute program on foreign brides on an Italian TV channel where one UKR and one RU girl were interviewed. Their background:

- UKR girl : about 30 y.o., divorced from an Italian husband and author of a book entitled "I Want a Husband" where she put together the experiences of several of her girl friends (pretty but no looker).
- RU girl : about 25 y.o., I think engaged to an Italian, appeared on a few TV programs here just as "decoration" (very pretty girl, but only used in non-speaking TV roles).

The gist of their interview is similar to what many posted here :

- FSUW women of their age (and FSUW men, too) were raised with the expectation they'd get round to managing their own lives after 20, and get married and raise a family by 30.
- Their husbands are expected to be at the helm of the family ship.

Their comments on Italian men OF THEIR AGE :
- Wonderful during courtship
- Too pampered and spoiled by their mamas to assume their proper role as husbands (see above).

[Albert]

Their comments on Italian men OF THEIR AGE  :
- Wonderful during courtship
- Too pampered and spoiled by their mamas to assume their proper role as husbands (see above).

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I have had a couple of FSU women tell me that FSU men are better boyfriends than American men, but that American men are better husbands than FSU men.

Something to do with idea that FSU boyfriends will spend more freely - - - up to the last dime - - - on their dates for romantic or perhaps even frivolous things.

So maybe these traits of FSU men also exist in parts of western Europe.