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[Infoman]

I had contact with Maria about a year ago through the Angelika network (russian-women.net).  She contacted me, and despite the fact that I saw she had about 400 contacts just through this site, I decided to write her back.  I found her letters to be very demanding without a whole lot of niceness (...I want at least 4 children, I will not work...) and in my opinion, she definitely came off as a golddigger and/or professional dater.  Over time, I can't seem to find her on any one of many sites that I saw her profile and photos on.  Maybe she has finally found "the one", or maybe agencies finally "caught on" to Maria.  I don't know what the deal was or is, but "high maintenance" doesn't nearly cover it.

Infoman

[BillyB]

  She contacted me, and despite the fact that I saw she had about 400 contacts just through this site, I decided to write her back.  I found her letters to be very demanding without a whole lot of niceness (...I want at least 4 children, I will not work...) and in my opinion, she definitely came off as a golddigger and/or professional dater. 

Maybe some of us had been communicating with different women. Maria was the most polite and ladylike woman that I corresponded with and didn't demand anything from me. I don't understand why Maria would contact you and then act like a gold digging bitch? Gold diggers need you to visit them first before they make demands.

Maria has found someone and when she communicated with me, she said she had two ex-fiances before.

Infoman, I wouldn't use Angelika network anymore. Most of their women don't have email when I know for a fact they do and the agency is deceiving their customers. They're forcing men to communicate through their agency.

[2tallbill]

No, Mamma D,

I based my comments on the medical fact that 1 man in 12 is red/green color blind, 1 woman in 200 are similarly afflicted.  When a web designer puts in so much red, they don't take into account that the web site cannot be read by so many men.   I just figure it has to be a woman who can't understand why so many men are so stupid as not to be able to wear matched socks.

Being 1 of those, it's a pet peeve.

I am also red / green color blind and can barely read a thing on the site.
It's nearly impossible to navigate the site.

Bill

[SANDRO43]

Maybe some of us had been communicating with different women.

Right now there are 2 with profiles giving her full name:

1. A 21 y.o. translator on Beauty of Russia (http://www1.odn.ne.jp/~ccd46720/page95.html).
2. A 26 y.o. on Bride 24 (http://www.bride24.net/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=15742&language=es).

The now 26 y.o. has appeared at least 4 times on Bride Ru since she was 23, giving her occupation as model, waitress/model, secretary/secretary, model/ waitress, model.

Maybe she doesn't know herself who she really is .

[Infoman]

BillyB - thanks.  I don't use them.  I was just recalling from months ago.  And given the shear number of letters. it's not hard for me to believe that she has found someone and has had two ex-fiances, just given my experience with her.  Sad, though - I thought Angelika network was one of the few that were on the up-and-up.

And Sandro...I agree with you.   Amazing how she is STILL appearing on a couple of sites, all with different information.

By the way, and this is off-topic, but I see that RLM/HRB is still going strong with the 50-60 18-22 year olds up all night on video chat.  Yeah, that's normal - even for Russia and Ukraine.  NOT!  (no, I am not a member!)

Infoman

[juggernaut]

It is my personal opinion that Maria Kononova should be avoided like the plague.  She IS a beautiful woman and she KNOWS it.  In the 3 letters I received from her she mentioned her looks no less than 6 times.  She came across as someone who thinks her beauty is all that she needs to contribute to a relationship, if she is even truly interested in one though I doubt it.  In my second letter to her I asked her what her minimum income for a husband was and she replied $200,000.  Wow, only $200,000!  BillyB is correct when he says that all of her letters were polite.  However, it is all part of the play.  How many scam letters has anyone ever read where a dirtbag scammer writes, "Hey stupid, send me $500.  I found a bracelet I want to buy."  I doubt that she has stopped at only 2 EX-FIANCEEs.  The 2 ex-fiancees itself is more than enough for me to know to stay away.  I think that the guys that have been to actually see her could write a book about the negative aspects of a relationship with Maria and less than a page on the positive.  The game that comes to mind when dealing with this chick is Russian Roulette.  Do yourself a favor - don't play.  Just my point of view about "The Dragon".

[Infoman]

I agree with you COMPLETELY, Juggernaut.

I KNEW she was a golddigger, and everything you said justifies my feelings regarding Maria.

Infoman

[kribi]

I have some expirience of the site www.yeva4u.net:

for me all mails are facked / maybe another has a better expirience....

when I see in the preview of a mail thät a variable named %MANNAME% so I know it is a roboter where is writing - cool

Also, some women has the same text in the profile:

13356715 from Nikolaev
I am seeking for a self-confident man who knows how to act in any situation and responsibility and family are not empty phrases for him. I want to have a united family based on understanding, trust and devotion. I need a man who is realist and who will find a special place for me in his heart.


13389104 from Moscow
I am seeking for a self-confident man who knows how to act in any situation and responsibility and family are not empty phrases for him. I want to have an united family based on understanding, trust and devotion. I need a man who is realist and who will find a special place for me in his heart.


They are girlfriends?

I have some pictures more....

[kribi]

and another one

[kribi]

and the latest with the vairable %manname%

[SANDRO43]

for me all mails are fa-ked / maybe another has a better expirience....

No, I think YEVA4U is one of the most fraudolent sites around, I get anywhere from 5 to 60 letters DAILY from them. Something they apparently ceased to practice with the same abandon is fake chats, up to a year ago or so just logging on created a frenzy of chat invitations .

One little detail one tends to ignore is that at the very top of the INBOX page the first line says: "Messages from new ladies registered at the site". As a matter of fact, most of the messages "originate" from newly-joined women, judging from their registration numbers.

A new twist I discovered a few days ago may be a malfunction of their message-churning mill: I received two from women I had already marked in my Hotlist, and on opening them out of curiosity, the message date changed from current to 20th September, 2007 .

[2tallbill]

No, I think YEVA4U is one of the most fraudulent sites around, I get anywhere from 5 to 60 letters DAILY from them. Something they apparently ceased to practice with the same abandon is fake chats, up to a year ago or so just logging on created a frenzy of chat invitations .

One little detail one tends to ignore is that at the very top of the INBOX page the first line says: "Messages from new ladies registered at the site". As a matter of fact, most of the messages "originate" from newly-joined women, judging from their registration numbers.

A new twist I discovered a few days ago may be a malfunction of their message-churning mill: I received two from women I had already marked in my Hotlist, and on opening them out of curiosity, the message date changed from current to 20th September, 2007 .

I have no idea what is the worst site. I did have my profile hijacked from a site.
So I went and hijacked it back. I posted a 60+ year old fat man who was wearing
a diaper. In my profile I explained that I had no teeth but was an excellent kisser.
I said that I wore diapers and needed help changing them. I said that I was 4' 10"
tall and weighed 300+ pounds.

I got many 18,19 and 20 year old beauties who wrote to me with this profile.

I was written to by Maria, I told her that she was beautiful, and too young for me.
She told me that no men (two years ago now) have ever visited her which I don't
believe. She had a profile on Elena's models at one time but does not now. I assumed
that maybe, possibly she wrote to me since she was nearly 6' tall. I think it's just as likely that someone else was writing to me.

Maybe she wrote to me and maybe someone else did. As far as her occupation, I don't consider a model, waitress, actress a conflict. Most aspiring models or actresses are in fact waitresses, tour guides etc in Los Angeles / Hollywood.

The person who wrote me never tried any of the scam things that we see everyday.


Just my two kopecks,

Bill

[2tallbill]

Let me be more specific than my last post. When I saw her at Elenas models I wrote her first. I said how come you have been searching on so many sites and for so long.

Then she wrote me back saying that no man had ever visited her. I wrote to her simply because I could not believe that she was looking for men who included my age. I was never interested in her for any kind of relationship. I totally expected to get a scam letter in return.

I was surprised when I did not get such a letter.

I did not continue writing her because she was too young for me.

Just my two kopecks,

Bill

[Markus]

Hey BeenThereDoneThat,

Did you get the answer to your question? I thought I would add something.
I actually found my wife of almost 4 years now from this site.  As a matter of
fact, here is my wife's 1st response to me:

To send another letter to x visit her home page:
http://www.bluesapphires.net/ladies/xxxx.shtml

Thank you for your patronage,
Blue Sapphires staff
______________________

Hello, Mark!
I liked your photos.
Who is this charming creature in your arms? You look wonderful together. Looking at the pictures I can assume that they were done during a trip.
Like you I think that it's possible to acquaint in this way. Though it may be difficult, language barrier and distance can hinder. But one can overcome any obstacles; one should only wish it.
Please, write me more about yourself. I wonder where you studied to play the piano? One can rarely meet a man who can play the piano. Where have you traveled? Mark, I hope some day you could visit Russia.
Bye,

The creature in my arms was my 6 month old nephew and I was on a trip with family. The obstacles that this
lady talks about we had and she was correct in stating "But one can overcome any obstacles." She didn't speak much English, or in my words no English, and I proposed to her after writing and communicating on the phone for 3 months. I was with her in her city and proposed and we got married 7 months later. She is my wife now and
our 4 year anniversary will be coming up soon.

I see you have only had opinions based upon observation. But, my opinion is based upon actually doing it.
There's a big difference.

This site pools a bunch of other sites from different cities into one site. Could the site present their
display better for the man? I think yes, but, I think if a man is getting hung up on a web site's presentation,
how will he be able to withstand the challenges that will happen after marrying an FSUW?  I didn't have
any problem navigating through their web site and I was able to find a good lady and go against the
so called opinionated rules that men have created. If a man's thoughts get hung up on a web site
presentation, then there may be problems with him marrying and FSUW.

Markus

[Grissom]

I happen to know this lady Maria having met her few times. And no we have never been romantically involved. Whatever... Got to read all this stuff and had a little laugh. First off, gotta clear this, the photos of the blonde are so NOT HER! Must be that Lilia lady, just like Jack wrote. Scammers steal photos of beautiful girls and they don't care if it's an actual Victoria's Secret model or just a pretty FSU girl, well I do not see too much difference b/n Marias and Victoria's Secret model photos. So SANDRO 43, that's just what happened with that "Elza from Lugansk" scam, Ukrainian scumbags stole her photos once again. As soon as she wrote to the admin of that site with the request to delete the phonies, the scam profile was taken off by an admin.
Next, YEVA4U is a huge scam. They used Maria photos and had a translator corresponding, Maria didn't even know she was on that site till I saw that going on and informed her. She wrote to YEVA4U right away and confronted them, so they had to take off that fake profile and apologized. I am sure they still practice this with other women out there. Beware if you correspond with any lady on that site, you might be writing to a 40-year old St. Petersburg translator who gets paid for the amount of messages he types.

[Grissom]

And a few more details from a man who is proud to consider himself Maria's trusted friend. She is actually as beautiful as her photos show, they are not doctored. Almost 6 feet tall. A tiny waist, a perfect hourglass figure, "exotic" face. A stunner! No wonder scammers steal her photos. Gosh, they seem to have so many gorgeous women in that Stavropol city just strutting their stuff down the streets. They are everywhere there and those gals are not even surgically enhanced! SANDRO43, as far as I know, those are Marias jobs you listed here: model, waitress/model, secretary/secretary, model/ waitress, model. They are all legit, but she wasn't working them all at the same time. She worked as a secretary for a couple of years and then moved onto waitressing and modeling as that paid better. You probably know how those marriage sites keep selling profiles of attractive girls to each other and they do not care to update girls details, so money hungry they are. She has a University education of an interpreter though and she speaks with that charming Russian southerner' accent: "Vis'is our beauuuutifull city..." kinda fun. I didn't go there to visit her. It was totally by chance that we met. She helped me with my girl, who didn't speak any English, that love affair didn't work at the end but I did enjoy my time in Stavropol and very much so. Maria was very polite, very eager to help me and my girl. Yes she is very ladylike. She was quite reserved and businesslike first but as we all got to know each other she became very warm and happy. My girlfriend did too. Back to Maria. I do not see anything surprising with the fact she has had 2 ex-fiances, in her age. Lots of Russian women are already divorced by that time and with a kid.
JUGGERNAUT, you must be the infamous Wesley Williams. Couldn't take the "Dear John" letter from that babe Maria, huh? First you sent her a few letters asking her to write you back, promised her a modeling career with your connections in the US? When it didn't work, you launched a horrendous attack on this girl with the sole purpose of spreading hatred and harming her rep with your vicious and slanderous lies. Boy, I wish she'd be here in the US where the cyber-stalking laws are finally catching up with the technology of the Internet, and the FBI recognizes these types of crimes and is taking them very seriously. I often wonder how miserable, lonely, unhappy and dissatisfied you must be with your life if cowardly attacking a beautiful honest woman by hiding behind anonymity is what you choose to do with your time. It is a very immature, child-like behavior. You never got to meet her, just why can't you take it as a man, not as a little girl?

[Grissom]

Let me be more specific than my last post. When I saw her at Elenas models I wrote her first. I said how come you have been searching on so many sites and for so long.


I did not continue writing her because she was too young for me.

Just my two kopecks,

Bill

How old are you Bill? Just curious. Maria did prefer older men for quite some time. She is attracted to intelligence and sophistication and hoped to find it in someone mature. And that's right, she has always been like a magnet for all the weirdos and losers in the world. The guy she met on Elena's Models grabbed her arm and tried to hurt it when they met. How does that sound to you?  Or Wesley Williams/ Juggernaut who went vertical when she decided he couldn't be Mr. Right for her. She only ever answered like 2 of his letters, good G-d they didn't meet. I couldn't help myself when she shared with me some of their writing. It is hard for young selective FSU women to meet a good man. So do not be surprised or appalled if you see someone as pretty as Maria in a long search. It should only tell you a girl like this is not just after her greencard, she is after her soulmate and happiness. It should tell you she is sincere. And don't you forget that many people just wrote her out of curiosity, the same way 2tallBill did.

[juggernaut]

Yes, I am JUGGERNAUT.  Infamous huh.  I guess that makes me immortal in a sense.  Thank you.  I found your posts most amusing "Grissom".  I find it odd that The Dragon has kept the e-mails I sent her since we corresponded over a year ago.  I have long since deleted her responses.  I suggest that the first thing you should do "Grissom" is inform yourself as to what actually happened.  However, I've got a feeling that you already know the facts since you are, in fact,  Maria Kononova and just making another feeble attempt at damage control.  If you want to continue to bring my name up whenever you present yourself as someone else on discussion groups such as this, please do.  I love seeing my name in print.

Have a good one,
JUGGERNAUT

p.s.  How is the romance from last summer going?  You know, the one you claimed to be in when you were answering my letters.  :-) :-) 

[BillyB]

Maria was very polite,

she is very ladylike.

She was quite reserved and businesslike

That's the way she sounded to me when I corresponded with her. It's good to know from someone who actually met her. I know more than once she had to defend herself and image from scammers who posed to be her. She also seemed very intelligent. She never made any demands or asked me for anything and she didn't seem desperate for a man although she seemed serious to find a good one. When she responded to my initial letter, she was just coming back from a model shoot in Europe and apologized for responding so late. She ended up inviting me to visit her but I was already in deeper correspondence with my fiancee and chose a different path.

[groovlstk]

It is my personal opinion that Maria Kononova should be avoided like the plague.  She IS a beautiful woman and she KNOWS it.  In the 3 letters I received from her she mentioned her looks no less than 6 times.

So basically, you received three emails from this woman and she never asked you for money or gifts, yet her standards were way beyond you?

The game that comes to mind when dealing with this chick is Russian Roulette.  Do yourself a favor - don't play.  Just my point of view about "The Dragon".

Again, you exchanged only three emails w/this woman, never met her in person, yet you have a nickname for her? Sounds to me that she made quite an impression on you.

Yes, I am JUGGERNAUT.  Infamous huh.  I guess that makes me immortal in a sense.

Yes it does, in the sense that here is yet another MOB loser.

[juggernaut]

groovlstk, get the facts or get a job, I don't care which.

JUGGERNAUT
a.k.a. Wesley the Infamous

[juggernaut]

"Grissom", since you are a close friend with Maria perhaps you can answer a question I have.  2tallbill stated in his post he made last May that Maria told him that nobody had ever visited her.  He said he exchanged letters with her 'two years ago' which would be about May 2006.  BillyB posted on December 1, 2007 that Maria informed him that she had 2 ex-fiances.  That would mean that Maria was engaged twice in an 18 month time span.  Since she has had profiles online since at least 2003, isn't it odd that she would go
3 years with no one visiting her to 2 fiances over the next year and a half?

JUGGERNAUT
a.k.a. Wesley the Infamous

[BillyB]

Juggernaut, Just because I posted what someone said to me in December 1, 2007 doesn't mean it was said on that day. I corresponded with Maria in early 2005. I've also seen a profile of hers before 2003 that you mention so you're wrong about that too. I suspect 2tallbill was writing a fake but your math is based on the date she supposedly wrote to him. Do you really beleive a woman that beautiful has nobody to visit her? There are plenty of men jumping on planes for women less beautiful without even getting to know who they are on the inside. Yes we are that shallow. She was near or the #1 profile of a lot of agencies. She got the lions share of attention at agencies and dating sites and probably too busy to be "initiating" contact with men.

You probably found this website based on a Google search of her name and your goal here is clear. It's been a long time since Maria's profile been on a dating/agency site and she's probably is in a relationship. Why on earth are you Googling her name and wanting to talk bad about her wherever you find her? Obviously she's not trying to scam anyone. Are you wanting her husband or boyfriend to find your words here?

[Grissom]

JUGGERNAUT, Gosh, you are so entertaining, man. This is downright hysterical! You seem to be so obsessed with this woman. Sure enough she did not keep your emails, why do you jump to that kind of conclusion? She forwarded them to me, I read them, we both had a little laugh and off they went to the recycle bin. I did tell her to keep your most recent letter to her though, here we go:
-----Original Message-----
From: WW <wbwilliams@**********>
To: maria_kononova@**********
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:24:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Happy New Year

>
> Hello Maria,
>
> I wanted to write you a short note to apologize for the derogatory comments I made about you several months ago.  I recently spoke with a gentleman who owns an introduction service and he explained your situation to me.  If you are still searching for the person you feel you are destined to be with I hope you find him.
>
> Most Respectfully,
>
> Wesley B. Williams
>
> P.S I would also like to wish you a Happy New Year and a successful 2008.
>
>
You just can't move on, can you? Maybe you should reevaluate what it means to be a man. If you showed her any respect, she might have been your friend today. No, I am not Maria. I know, I took a shower this morning. I guess you just do not believe in international friendships, do you? How come? I didn't even know you were here too. I kind of thought you left her alone. I found this website while searching for Poltava ladies. Out of curiosity wanted to see what kind of feedback guys have about Stavropol, and guess what! voila!
GROOVLSTK  Yep, you got it totally right.

[Grissom]

"Grissom", since you are a close friend with Maria perhaps you can answer a question I have.  2tallbill stated in his post he made last May that Maria told him that nobody had ever visited her.  He said he exchanged letters with her 'two years ago' which would be about May 2006.  BillyB posted on December 1, 2007 that Maria informed him that she had 2 ex-fiances.  That would mean that Maria was engaged twice in an 18 month time span.  Since she has had profiles online since at least 2003, isn't it odd that she would go
3 years with no one visiting her to 2 fiances over the next year and a half?

JUGGERNAUT
a.k.a. Wesley the Infamous

I don't think Maria told 2tallbill that "nobody had EVER visited her". How do you know that was exactly the wording she used? Why twist her words? I assume she meant nobody visited her from all those guys who wrote her "on that site" and promised her the moon and the stars. Or, perhaps, she meant that guys wanted to visit a few women besides her? That must have been true at the time when 2tallbill asked the question. That was Elena's Models, wasn't it? That was the real Maria there, as far as I am informed. I think your math exercise just doesn't make much sense. Why do you assume that her "fiances" would only be someone she met "on the net"? Wrong! Her first fiance was a local Russian guy whom she loved very much and she was 18 at that time. Her second fiance was an American guy and that did not work out. She is a serious, classy woman, who knows what she wants and would not get engaged with just anyone.