Bluesapphires.net

[BeenThereDoneThat]

There is a site a friend told me to check out. Has anybody used this agency and are they legit?
http://www.bluesapphires.net/

[SANDRO43]

Blue Sapphires is part of the ANGELIKA network, a VERY large operation (see this page on my website for list of member agencies :  http://www.floriani.it/sitirussi/angelika-eng.htm).

[William3rd]

I have always liked Blue Sapphires. They have been around for years. I purchased a couple of addresses several years ago. I even got a couple of letters back.

A friend of mine recommended them to me after he brought over an absolutely stunning girl from Bishkek on a fiancee visa.

The one thing that I really like about them is that they record the number of times that an address has been sold-unlike many agencies, where a single listing can be sold hundreds or thousands of times. This way you at least get an idea what the competition is like.

[BillyB]

They have a decent reputation, great looking gals, and I used them before but I won't use them again. Too many of their women don't have e-mail when in fact I know many of them do. I suspect the agency is making it difficult for the men and women to get hooked up through deception so men must write letters through the agency. Without solid correspondence with lots of phone calls, one has a bigger chance to fail. I'd go with another agency.

[Globetrotter]

I've had good experiences with them, and they send you all the girls contact info so you don't need to go through them.  If their English is poor, then you may want to go through them or someone else for interpretations and delivery. 

[jb]

Okay, I peeked...

They have one of the worst website I've ever seen, obviously designed by a woman.

[BillyB]

I've had good experiences with them, and they send you all the girls contact info so you don't need to go through them. 

Globetrotter,

It's important that you're accurate when giving advice. Angelika network does not give out full contact info.

They clearly say they give out only a "postal address" of this woman who speaks good English but bride.ru will give her postal address, e-mail address, and phone number.
http://www.bluesapphires.net/ladies/ov8262.shtml

Do a search. They have 11,000 women at their site. They will give out the phone numbers of 2000 women. They will give out the e-mails of 1000 women. A guy is going to have to snail mail the rest of the 8000+ women unless he wants to pay the agency.

[Globetrotter]

Sorry Billy, just passing along my experience with them although it was a few years ago.  I think it was recently sold (for $600K) and things may have changed since then.  When I bought an address for a girl from Minsk, it said she had email, and they sent it to me.  Other addresses I purchased from them, the girls didn't have email, but their English was good.  I asked they go to an internet cafe and would send them $20-30/month, so I only used their service for a few times before the girls were self sufficient.  That was my experience back then. 

[SANDRO43]

http://www.bluesapphires.net/ladies/ov8262.shtml

BillyB, you selected a fine specimen, there's speculation that Maria Kononova may be a scammer, see the Google-Cached copy of this link http://russiandetective.forumup.org/about130-0.html (http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:sUiEE6MLlewJ:russiandetective.forumup.org/about130-0.html+MARIA+KONONOVA+SCAM&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=22&client=opera)

Anyway, she's posted some 20 profiles of herself these past few years, including one at YEVA4U (no longer there ) from where she contacted me, too, this past May. A year ago her photos also appeared on Adult Singles as 28 y.o. Elza from Lugansk. Hungry wolves beware !

[BillyB]

BillyB, you selected a fine specimen, there's speculation that Maria Kononova may be a scammer,

Marina and a few other girls would've been my second choice to visit in Stavropol/Sochi if it wasn't for my fiancee. She invited me to visit her but I told her I don't visit any woman based on a photo. I needed her phone number and more letters to make sure we're compatible. I ruled out that she's a scammer. She's been on the internet for three years and has a clean record. She is very polite through correspondence. My only worry of her is that she might be high maintenance. At a minimum, a woman has to like me more than my wallet.

Be careful with YEVA4U. Bad, bad agency. I wouldn't doubt they stole maria's profile and wrote fake letters.

[SANDRO43]

Be careful with YEVA4U. Bad, bad agency.
I wouldn't doubt they stole maria's profile and wrote fake letters.

I know, BillyB, I opened a thread on them (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1528.0). However, I doubt Maria's letters to me were agency-faked:

Sandro,
I got many many many **** in many many places of your letter. I understood that you were trying to send me information about your website. Filters deleted it. I would love to know more about you. Can you write it here?? Maria

As you can see, in her last letter above she seemed eager to get my personal information. YEVA4U-written letters, on the other hand, at this point cite agency rules prohibiting such exchanges. 

[Mamma D]

JB says........
<<<<They have one of the worst website I've ever seen, obviously designed by a woman.>>>>

Now, Now JB, is that what you really ment?  sounds condecending to me ???

I hope not!

Mamma D

[jb]

No, Mamma D,

I based my comments on the medical fact that 1 man in 12 is red/green color blind, 1 woman in 200 are similarly afflicted.  When a web designer puts in so much red, they don't take into account that the web site cannot be read by so many men.   I just figure it has to be a woman who can't understand why so many men are so stupid as not to be able to wear matched socks.

Being 1 of those, it's a pet peeve.

[BillyB]

Sandro,
I got many many many **** in many many places of your letter. I understood that you were trying to send me information about your website. Filters deleted it. I would love to know more about you. Can you write it here?? Maria

As you can see, in her last letter above she seemed eager to get my personal information.

That's not Maria's style. She's too busy to write "many" many times. Read the guy's first post in Elena Garrett's forum where he took parts of Maria's letters and posted them. That's EXACTLY Maria's style. She wants guys to send her one small photo so her mailbox doesn't get full. She doesn't answer all questions and doesn't ask much. She doesn't have time or money to burn on the internet with all the attention she gets. I'm sure she gets so many letters it could be a full time job if she wanted. She would've never said to you " I would love to know more about you. Could you write it here." She doesn't think correspondence is good for much, she would've asked you to visit her. The person who asked you to "write it here" is probably the agency you're supposed to send your letter through.

[Jack]

It's really amazing how so many good women are accused of, or as Sandro eluded to "speculation of" being a scammer.

First of all Maria Kononova is NO scammer. She's an attractive lady who is seeking a man she hopes to fall in love with. Maria has no shortage of men who have interest in her and Maria knows she could choose from many men but she is looking for one good man to marry for life.

I am not sure of Maria's status today but not so long ago she was deeply interested in one man, however it did not work out.

How does Maria become a scammer?  In this case ONE disgruntled guy who was writing Maria was rejected by Maria, so she must be a scammer.  So this one loser of a man post's Maria as a scammer. Scumbag so called anti-scam sites (like Honest Jim's Agencyscam agency) steals this report from one site, from one man, and post's it on their site, the scam anti-scam site figures any and all reports must be true.  Speaking of Honest Jim, he has several good ladies listed as scammers on his site by this same means, taking single reports from other sites and adding those ladies to his so called anti-scam site. I have written Honest Jim about these good ladies he has listed as scammers, ask him for proof they are bad, who reported them, what were the circumstances and of course Honest Jim's response is fcuk u.

Now above Sandro has posted this photo of Maria. Or has he?

In reality Sandro has posted the photo of a good and sincere woman by the name of Lilia Egorova of Zaporozhye.  This is a photo of Lilia when she was 26, and here is a photo of Lilia from earlier this spring, she still looks good for a 37 year old woman. Lilia is NOT a scammer. But somehow, somewhere, someone has taken an old photo of Lilia and is using it as a current photo of Maria? 

Does this make Maria a scammer?  Does this make Lilia a scammer?  For those not bright enough to know the answer, it is no!  Many Igor's and Yuri's and Natasha's today are using beautiful photos of real and sincere women who are seeking marriage to a foreign man.

A lot of men who are being scammed today are being scammed because they are either (1) stupid; (2); believing what they read from scam anti-scam sites; (3) not verifying the lady (or ladies) they have interest in are real; (4) believing that beautiful Russian model type woman are seeking older average guys; or (5) all of the above.

[TexasBoar]

This is a photo of Lilia when she was 26, and here is a photo of Lilia from earlier this spring, she still looks good for a 37 year old woman. Lilia is NOT a scammer.

If she is in the market for a foreign husband, when did Lilia begin her search, then? (if you know).  Eleven years seems like a long time!

~Boar

[Jack]

Lilia married a Russian man about eight years ago, she has a 7 year old son. She began looking for a foreign husband after her divorce some three or four years ago.

[Bruno]

If she is in the market for a foreign husband, when did Lilia begin her search, then? (if you know).  Eleven years seems like a long time!

Eleven years is not really a long time... i have begin my quest for a wife in 1996... and maybe now in 2007 ( 11 year ), i will reach my goal...

Something more, the foreign husband market is not a exclusive market... it is only a optional market... the majority of RW in the MOB business continue to seek a local man, the foreign man is only the reserve wheel...

It is very possible that a RW have post a advert in MOB agency very long time ago... tired of waiting the right man, she have marry a local one... that the relation have not work in the long term and that she is again seeking...

Before see problem in other, analyse your own situation... from all the guys here, how much was the time between the first seeking of a wife and the last marriage ( and for the not yet (re)married, until now )...

And who say that the first photo is coming from a MOB business... Russian girls and boys have local site too... russian for russian... or maybe the photo is coming from some model gallery... who know !!!

EDIT : Jack was more fast that me for reply... but i see that one of my theory was the good one 

[TexasBoar]

Well, my thanks to the both of you!   

It was something I've been curious about.  Many of these women seem to have been listed for quite some time.

~Boar

[SANDRO43]

OK, let me see if I can straighten out this Maria/Lilya confusion I unwittingly created.

1. I found the quoted report Googling for Maria Kononova, and attached the photo it showed (in reality Lilya's, who knows why ?).
2. The Maria who wrote me from YEVA4U (#1811447) is no longer there.
3. Lilya has/had some 7 profiles on various sites, including one on YEVA4U (#1000211, still there) and one on Cute Only (#41, apparently no longer there) and she wrote me from both, and directly from Liliya_5@... after I got her address from Bride RU and asked her not to write me through websites, at which she replied puzzled about the YEVA4U letter and coherently about the Cute Only one. 

In conclusion, it  would appear that:
- Maria on YEVA4U was not Maria (not surprising, considering the site).
- Lilya on YEVA4U is not Lilya (not surprising, considering the site).
- Elza from Lugansk (#D2038418) probably stole Maria's photos.

If so, my apologies to Maria Kononova for having "alluded" to the  speculation that she might be a scammer .

[jb]

Cool detective work, Sandro.

But are there any wagers on how many unsuspecting men involved with a bunch of these phony personalities?  I don't doubt the original lady is innocent, but fat Yuri has, I think, struck again.  He as lifted a photo and created another mythical scam partner, (if I read this right).  I'll almost bet you are seeing only the tip of the iceberg here .

[niceboy]

BillyB, you selected a fine specimen, there's speculation that Maria Kononova may be a scammer, see the Google-Cached copy of this link

Is Maria Kononova striking back? Beware her name is now Mila and she is back online:

http://www.anastasia-international.com/Pages/Lady/Profile/ProfilePreview.aspx?ladyID=1106391

[BillyB]

Is Maria Kononova striking back? Beware her name is now Mila and she is back online:

http://www.anastasia-international.com/Pages/Lady/Profile/ProfilePreview.aspx?ladyID=1106391

Why is Maria striking back? When did she strike at anyone to begin with?

That Mila looks similar to Maria but I think she's a different person and not as good looking. Heigth, weight, city Mila lives in are all different. Some disgruntled men tried to put Maria on detective Elena Garrett's website as a scammer but after Elena got the facts, Maria was not ruled a scammer.

[niceboy]

Why is Maria striking back? When did she strike at anyone to begin with?

That Mila looks similar to Maria but I think she's a different person and not as good looking. Heigth, weight, city Mila lives in are all different. Some disgruntled men tried to put Maria on detective Elena Garrett's website as a scammer but after Elena got the facts, Maria was not ruled a scammer.

How curious that Mila's city was Izobilny (Stavropol region) for a few days on Anastasiaweb before being modified to Nevinnomissk (Stavropol region)!

How curious that Mila's loves kitties as much as Maria does!

How curious that Mila's height is Maria's real height (175cm and not 180cm as she claims)!

How curious that Mila's is now 7 years younger than Maria!

How curious is all that! Maybe just a coincidence ... it's up to you to make your mind.

[SANDRO43]

Niceboy, I'm not sure your Mila might be Maria Kononova, for one thing she has a mole over her left lip which Maria does not have, and Maria has one where it is not apparent if Mila has (and its "support" appears quite smaller, too ).

Unless these changes materialised after growing up from 19 to 25+ .