Strange but true, Nataly, the Untold story

[jinx13]

 This topic is being started to explain a true story about my g/f Nataly and her journey to the U.S. and my relationship with her.

 I had started an innocent topic last week called 'she's bored, help!' and got hammered with many questions by a couple FSU vets here who don't think my story quite makes sense.

 Jack and JB, this topic is dedicated to you, I don't know why you care so much about this, I guess it's interesting because it's an unusual story, but I do feel like I'm on trial here. What the heck happened to Dan anyway? I'm surprised he hasn't chimed in on this.  Anyway, the next post will be what Jack wrote to me in the previous topic, and then I will try to answer him and hopefully put this to rest.

                                                                                     -David

[jinx13]

 Quote from Jack:

Jinx had a little time last night and caught a little of this thread.

Some of the things I was reading, things some people were saying, were not adding up to me.

Now I know your big on people reading and not comprehending and you do not want to claim responsibility for people to misinterpret so I have read and re-read so I would not mis-comprehend.

A short time ago you told me that Nataly got here in late 2005. You have also written that you have "been dating over a year, the entire time she has been in the U.S."  If this is a mistake it is what you have written as I am trying not to misinterpret anything.  So you started dating Nataly starting about the end of June, first of July 2005 time frame, if what you wrote was correct and not a mistake.

You also write "She came to the USA and started life here with an controlling nut case older guy (two years older than you) who wanted a "slave", a "nut case" who was looking for a housekeeper, a bed partner, perfect woman.".............He "was the sponsor of my g/f when she first moved here, she was never romantically involved with him in anyway, he is the 40 year old virgin type, she was just his translator when he went to her city "looking for a wife". "........"Keep in mind, he's never been laid in his life,"

Jinx one thing I would like to ask you is do you really believe a 40 year old man is a virgin?  I mean, do you believe that and do you think anyone else would believe that?  Let me say I don't think anyone else reading this believes this man who has gone to Russia at least a couple of times seeking a Russian bride is a virgin and as you stated above, he was also seeking a bed partner.  And if you believe this I think you are the only one here. And if Nataly believes this then there are two of you. I doubt anyone else here believes it and wonder what proof you have to make such a statement as "Keep in mind, he's never been laid in his life."

When Nataly first got here she took a job as a nanny in California but because they only paid her $200 a month, she quit after the first week.  I re-read this two or three times to make sure I was not misinterpreting what you wrote Jinx.  So she get's here in late June 2005, early July 2005, and goes to work as nanny and quits after one week.  She then moves in with this man, you call him a nerd, say all types of bad things about him but I am sure there are two sides to every story so I'm not one wanting to call him a nerd or loser as you have. And if Nataly's friend is still living with this guy, paying rent, it's hard to believe she feel's like he is such a monster or she would have bailed out a long time ago.

Nataly lives with her sponsor from July 2005 until she moves in with you about September 18th. You write on November 18th that she has lived with you for one month, but on September 21 she was still in Ukraine. And I think it's evident she did not move in with you before she left for Ukraine, so when she returned from Ukraine sometime in late September she moved in with you at that time.

You write "She lived with him for awhile,".  AWHILE ?  July 2005 thru August 2006. That's a looooong while, but only my opinion I guess. 

"A total nightmare, a control freak, looking for a wife as much as for a slave to cook and clean his house. She has a visa and green card, but needed a place to stay so she put up with him." "She recently moved into my home with me, part out of necessity (she quit a nanny job) and part because it's the next step in our relationship." 

She quit her job as a nanny 13 months ago Jinx!!!  Am I the only one here who this doesn't make any sense to?

Now this is only my opinion but I don't think a normal self respecting girl would put herself in that situation, women want to feel special, and this just seems sleazy to me.  Maybe "sleazy" is too strong a word, but this is not something I would ever feel comfortable doing, living with a man who wanted a slave to cook, clean his house, wash his car, a bed partner. I can also see how it might be embarrassing for a woman to want there family and friends to know about this type of living arrangement.

You also write "She and I have been dating throughout all of this, I have helped her when I can".  Jinx, I know I'm kind slow and don't understand everything about life but WHY would, as you say, "an intelligent, University educated girl" put up with this type of situation, especially when you two are dating, hit it off great, and you have tried to help her out.

"He was not pleasant to live with, but he was harmless as far as putting the moves on her."   

He is her sponsor and he did this out of the kindness of his heart, not expecting anything in return?

Based on what you have said about your meeting with this man and the way he treated Nataly, and you have written you love Nataly, HOW could you allow this woman to live with this man under these conditions for 13 months! 

"We met here in California after a brief online friendship, and hit off great, been dating over a year, the entire time she has been in the U.S."

See, some things here just do not make sense. 

You begin dating Nataly in June/July 2005 but in March 2006 you have a lady in Volzhsky your helping with her English lessons.

Jinx you write "....I am a little different than most guys here in that I was not searching for a wife".   The lady in Volzhsky, she doesn't think you were looking for a wife?   

Jinx you write "but to travel so far, and invest so much time and money, you want to make sure you meet a lot of women"  Are you telling me that all these women you met were under the impression that you were not looking to get married, that you were just a tourist who was dating a lot of Russian women?

And while you are dating, seeing various Russian and Ukraine women, you are dating Nataly, you guys have hit it off great.

See, some things here just do not make sense.

"This guy, who is from San Jose Ca., also my hometown, was the sponsor of my g/f"
"My girlfriend came here on her own, she got a visa from the lottery system, she is not "GCG" she is just someone who wanted to come to America, and California. She just happened to move to the S.F. Bay Area where I live too."

Wow, what a coincidence. Can you imagine that. Your writing her on LuckyLovers and she has asked some guy who just so happens to live close to you to be her sponsor.

Jinx I have a little experience with the Diversified Lottery visa. The grizzled vet was a little off to the extent that what he was saying was true for Russia, not Ukraine. I know three people, well one of the person's is actually a family, who has won the Diversified lottery visa. Every year hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians apply for the green card lottery (as they refer to it). And every year the US Government allows a certain number of Ukrainians to immigrate to the US. Five and a half years ago a young man of 36 won the lottery and he and his wife and child were allowed to come to the United States. If one member of a family wins the lottery then the other members of the family are allowed to immigrate as well. You will have many family members who register for the lottery visa every year.

Two and a half years ago a young man I know of 31 from Poltava won the green card lottery.

And in November of 2004 a 22 year old lady from Kherson received notice that she had selected as a finalist for the lottery.  The way the lottery works they don't just pull your name out of a hopper and you automatically win, come to America. If your name is pulled out you are interviewed for this opportunity. This young lady of 21 filled out all the forms, sent them in and was called back for an interview in June 2005, the same month your Nataly came to America on her green card lottery. In October of 2005 this lady was called back for another interview and was told to come back for the final interview in March of 2006. She did and she was given a lottery green card, she now had up to 6 months to enter America on her Diversified Lottery visa.

This young lady came to America in June of this year.  My family and I felt privileged to be able to show this lady her first American Thanksgiving a few days ago.

I talked to this lady in great details today, as well to the other two men I knew who had won a lottery visa. I spoke with an Immigration attorney today for one hour. Each and everyone said NO sponsor was needed for a lottery green card winner. Each of these individuals received there green card within 30 days of there arrival into America. No one year this, or two year that, they received there unconditional green card within 30 days of arriving into America, no conditions attached.  Each said when they entered America at there various points of entry they had to review there application with an official and go over the address they had listed as to where they would be living and would receive there green card. If this address had changed since they had first filled out there application they had to create a change of address form. I assume that Nataly probably used the address of the man you are saying is her sponsor but again, NO SPONSOR is required for a lottery green card winner, none, nadda, zippo.  For Nataly to have won a Diversified Lottery visa she would NOT need a sponsor.

Then I questioned the attorney, the now young lady of 23, and both the men as to what they had to do to satisfy the US government about them being able to work and that maybe they needed a sponsor for this. Again, notta, nope, zippo, NO sponsor was needed to vouch for the financial well being of there lottery visa.
They did say, as the attorney confirmed, as part of the interview process that the US Goverment only accepts individuals who have at least a high school education or two years work experience in a particular trade.

Jinx you write "but I know he was required to sign a few documents and provide his income."  Yes, this is true with a K-1 visa application Jinx, NOT with a Diversified Lottery visa winner.  There is NO required documents from any other individual, NONE. No one has to provide there income as a provision for a Diversified Lottery visa winner.

You also write "You do need a sponsor on this type visa, and she does have a full green card and social security card."  WRONG Jinx, you do not need a sponsor for the Diversified Lottery visa winner and this person WILL receive a full unconditional green card and can get a social security card with no problem.

However you do need a sponsor for a K-1 visa and they need to show proof of income and within a certain time frame, and the time frame varies from a few months to several months, the K-1 visa recipient will get a green card and a social security number.

So Jinx the main thing I think that needs to be passed on to newby's here is that NO sponsor is needed for a Diversified Lottery Visa winner. The information you are passing out is wrong and I think it needs to be corrected.

[Admin]

This topic is being started to explain a true story about my g/f Nataly and her journey to the U.S. and my relationship with her.

 I had started an innocent topic last week called 'she's bored, help!' and got hammered with many questions by a couple FSU vets here who don't think my story quite makes sense.

 Jack and JB, this topic is dedicated to you, I don't know why you care so much about this, I guess it's interesting because it's an unusual story, but I do feel like I'm on trial here. What the heck happened to Dan anyway? I'm surprised he hasn't chimed in on this.  Anyway, the next post will be what Jack wrote to me in the previous topic, and then I will try to answer him and hopefully put this to rest.

                                                                                     -David

Hi David,

Been hammered myself with the flu the last few days. Haven't read much of anything, but I get a little drift of the other topic today.

A couple of comments:

* I noticed someone in the other thread was complaining about something stated in a PM. Guys, there is a "Report to Moderator" feature if you believe the PM function is being abused - use that feature rather than complain about a PM on the open board.

* For the life of me, I do NOT understand why there are some who are intent on finding small inconsistencies in someone's story. If there were an obvious, or even not-so-obvious, agenda of deception for some nefarious purposes, then it may make some sense. But to spend the amount of energy sometimes spent here to try to dig out a small, trivial, inconsistency - just does not make any sense to me.

OK - with that, let's see how things unfold, but I really do not want to see anyone being put on the defensive by some misdirected witchhunt.

- Dan

[jinx13]

"She came to the USA and started life here with an controlling nut case older guy (two years older than you) who wanted a "slave", a "nut case" who was looking for a housekeeper, a bed partner, perfect woman

 Jack, first of all, don't put something in quotes if it was never said. She didn't come here to start a life with him, she rented a room from him after her nanny job didn't work out. I never said he's a nut case, I said he's a nerd and a loser, she worked for him in Ukraine as an interpreter, they were friends in a way, he met her family and she got to know him. I personally don't like him, but he's funny (in a nerd kinda way) Nataly is not afraid of him at all, and I think she's amused by him in some way, or maybe feels pity for him, not sure.

Jinx one thing I would like to ask you is do you really believe a 40 year old man is a virgin?  I mean, do you believe that and do you think anyone else would believe that?  Let me say I don't think anyone else reading this believes this man who has gone to Russia at least a couple of times seeking a Russian bride is a virgin and as you stated above, he was also seeking a bed partner.  And if you believe this I think you are the only one here. And if Nataly believes this then there are two of you. I doubt anyone else here believes it and wonder what proof you have to make such a statement as "Keep in mind, he's never been laid in his life."

Yeah Jack, I believe he is a virgin, I have met him, you haven't. He is afraid of women, and doesn't really know how to talk with them. He is the typical guy that always ends up as "the friend" which is what he is to Nataly and her roomate Katya. Not to mention Nataly found "how to" sex tapes under his bed, not porno mind you, but actual teaching tapes. She even asked him if he was a virgin, and he refused to answer. Enough said I think.
 

Nataly lives with her sponsor from July 2005 until she moves in with you about September 18th. You write on November 18th that she has lived with you for one month, but on September 21 she was still in Ukraine. And I think it's evident she did not move in with you before she left for Ukraine, so when she returned from Ukraine sometime in late September she moved in with you at that time.

 When did I ever say she lived with me since Sept. 18? Not sure why you thought that. Ok, this part is confusing I will admit. Nataly got ANOTHER Nanny Job in June 06' she moved into her new place, was there a month but then went home to Ukraine for the late summer. She was in Ukraine from late August to Oct. 9th. You can read some of my posts from summer, I talk about it. She came home, realized (again) that the nanny life was not for her (I know, I tried to tell her) and we decided what the heck, let's try living together. I lived over an hour from her the whole time we dated, lots of miles on my car, and more difficult to be a "real" couple. So Oct. 12 we brought all her stuff to my house, and here we are    going good so far.

 To be continued for the sake of my eyes, and anyone else who is crazy enough to read all this.
 

 

[jinx13]

Now this is only my opinion but I don't think a normal self respecting girl would put herself in that situation, women want to feel special, and this just seems sleazy to me.  Maybe "sleazy" is too strong a word, but this is not something I would ever feel comfortable doing, living with a man who wanted a slave to cook, clean his house, wash his car, a bed partner. I can also see how it might be embarrassing for a woman to want there family and friends to know about this type of living arrangement.

 Jack, he did some annoying things to her occasionally, and yeah it pissed me off. She had to wash dishes if she wanted a ride, and clean up, but she never had to cook for him, and NEVER was asked to be a "bed partner" It wasn't sleazy, he was just a jerk sometimes, he was her landlord afterall, he had some power, but he never crossed the line, if he did Nataly would kick his ass!     

Based on what you have said about your meeting with this man and the way he treated Nataly, and you have written you love Nataly, HOW could you allow this woman to live with this man under these conditions for 13 months! 

 Why did I let it happen? To be very honest Jack, I was a little afaid of living with her, it's a big step in a relationship, don't you think? She was never in any danger, she had a friend (Katya) living there too, they paid rent, it wasn't that bad. I think I was more upset about her living situation than she was. Her rent ws cheap, she felt comfortable there, his house is in a nice part of San Jose, everything nearby...I don't know, I hope that explains some of it, but maybe I did wait too long to ask her to move in, but she didn't make me feel that way. This felt like the right time, and we did it, and I am happy about that.

 

"We met here in California after a brief online friendship, and hit off great, been dating over a year, the entire time she has been in the U.S." See, some things here just do not make sense.
You begin dating Nataly in June/July 2005 but in March 2006 you have a lady in Volzhsky your helping with her English lessons.
Jinx you write "....I am a little different than most guys here in that I was not searching for a wife".   The lady in Volzhsky, she doesn't think you were looking for a wife?   

 I think what you are talking about here is when there was a guy(member here) moving to Volzhsky and he wanted to be an English teacher? I told him I have some friends there, and maybe even a student for him. This girl is my EX-girlfriend, and at that time (march 06') we were still friends. I wasn't that serious about English lessons for her though, I never even asked him about it again.

 I will tell you something honest though, which I'm surprised the witchhunt didn't pick up on. I went to Ukraine and Russia in August of 2005. You should know this Jack, remember we had a little chat about your friend Nataliya that I met in Kiev.  Nataly and I broke up for awhile, but we weren't really together at that time either, we hadn't consumated the relationship, if you know what I mean. We had some problems(mostly me not being ready) and I had already planned to go before I met her. I had a great trip, so no regrets, I think we became a lot closer much later after my return. I realized she was the girl for me.

 to be cont.
 

[jinx13]

Jinx you write "but to travel so far, and invest so much time and money, you want to make sure you meet a lot of women"  Are you telling me that all these women you met were under the impression that you were not looking to get married, that you were just a tourist who was dating a lot of Russian women?

 Yeah Jack, I was dating. I never told anybody "I'm looking for a wife" is that what I was supposed to do? I am a completely honest person, maybe even to a fault. I told women the truth, I want to get to know them, date (like an American girl) and see what happens, is that so strange? I want to be married again, but I'm not rushing into anything, and every girl I met had no problem with that, I actually think they liked it. It's kinda strange to ask someone to marry you after a week, don't you think?

 "

This guy, who is from San Jose Ca., also my hometown, was the sponsor of my g/f"
"My girlfriend came here on her own, she got a visa from the lottery system, she is not "GCG" she is just someone who wanted to come to America, and California. She just happened to move to the S.F. Bay Area where I live too."

Wow, what a coincidence. Can you imagine that. Your writing her on LuckyLovers and she has asked some guy who just so happens to live close to you to be her sponsor.

 It wasn't a coincidence, you are right. She knew she was coming to California and wrote to guys from here. She wanted to make some friends and on Luckylovers at that time you could not chat with women, just men. Ok, this was an issue with me too, believe me. I wasn't the only guy she had planned to meet here, haha, isn't that funny, kinda like reverse isn't it? We are usually the ones going over there and plan to meet many women, and don't understand why they would be upset about it    Well, I was jealous, but I soon found out that I was the main guy she wanted to meet, and she only had a few phone conversations with some guys from SoCal, and one real meeting with a guy from San Diego, no it wasn't KenC    That guy was just a friend though, but yeah my jealousy was another reason I decided to take my summer trip to Ukraine/Russia, and we had a few arguements about it.
 
 We ended up spending a lot of time together, I showed her all my favorite places in Northern Cali, San Francisco, Santa Cruz, Lake Tahoe, we had a lot of good times, and we grew closer to each other week by week. We always had some kind of connection, and I really feel more comfortable with her than with any other girl, and I know she feels completely at ease with me too. We had a rough start, but it was the journey that got us to where we are now, but I also know we have a long way to go.

 Ok, the rest of Jack's letter has to do with Nataly's visa, and how she got it, and what her status is now. Apparently it's just too hard to believe the truth, which she and I have already explained here many times, but to finally put an end to it, I am going to post her documents here tomorrow from my work (I have a scanner there) We will omit her last name, if that's ok with you ??? but I hope it ends the conspiracy theories.  Seriously, tell me why someone would make this stuff up? I don't get it, what is the agenda here? 

 Man , my eyes hurt, I never typed this much in my life!    Jack, what the heck compelled you to write that novel to me, I will never know, but stay tuned for the anwers you are looking for, and pardon me if I do a T.O. style dance in the end zone after it's all said and done     just kidding KenC, relax...I'll try to do it LT style, with class



 

[Jack]

...."Yeah Jack, I believe he is a virgin, I have met him, you haven't. He is afraid of women".....

   
Well Jinx again, I will respectfully disagree with you. I have been to San Francisco and the Bay area, as well to Ukraine and Russia a few times. There is NO doubt in my mind that if a man were still a virgin at the age of about 25 he would have gone to some "place" and use the "services" of some establishment that could cater to the urges and needs of a young man in need. A 40 year old virgin man, from San Fran and after a couple trips to the FSU?  Nope Jinx, not buying that one. I think this is one where we individually will have to rely on our own common sense and my bet is there will not be to many agreeing of a 40 year old virgin under these circumstances.



...."Not to mention Nataly found "how to" sex tapes under his bed"....


Just curious, what is Nataly doing under this guys bed?




....."Yeah Jack, I was dating. I never told anybody "I'm looking for a wife" is that what I was supposed to do?"........


Jinx! Your not suppose to be missing around with these agencies and these agency owners and the ladies signed up with these marriage agencies who are seeking a husband if your just playing!




,,,,,,,"I think what you are talking about here is when there was a guy(member here) moving to Volzhsky and he wanted to be an English teacher? "........


No Jinx, I was referring to your quote on March 9th,  ,,,,,"'I wanted english lessons for the girl I was seeing, but the only thing available (at a good price) was the university. My girl took the uni course but it was difficult for her to do with her work schedule.",,,,,,,

Strange, a girl your just dating and your providing her with English lessons. Like I have written Jinx, some of the things you do, or say, just don't make a lot of sense to me. Now a woman I'm serious about, or a woman a client is serious about, sure, get her some English lessons.




,,,,,"Her rent ws cheap, she felt comfortable there, his house is in a nice part of San Jose, everything nearby",,,,,,,   


Well now Jinx you don't make the situation sound so bad. Before it was
"He was not pleasant to live with.....I couldn't stand to be in his presence.....
I can't stand the way he treats women......That kind of behavior sickens me......The guy was a total jackass......he is a control freak........El Dorko .......the guy was weird,"




,,,,,,,"Nataly and I broke up for awhile",,,,,,,,,


Ok, just going by this,......."then she moved to the U.S. on visa lottery, we met, hit it off great, and have been together over a year now.".....

You see what I mean about some of your story not adding up?  You leave out little bit's and pieces that make a difference.  So you break up and then you travel to Ukraine and Russia to date some Russian/Ukraine girls.




,,,,,"Jack, first of all, don't put something in quotes if it was never said.",,,,,,


Jinx, it was said, it was a quote from jb.




 ,,,,,,"I will tell you something honest though, which I'm surprised the witchhunt didn't pick up on. I went to Ukraine and Russia in August of 2005. You should know this Jack, remember we had a little chat about your friend Nataliya that I met in Kiev.",,,,,,,


Well I can't comment on the which-hunt you are referring to but your meeting with Nataliya, the way you treated her and comments about her, made me lose all respect for you Jinx. You hurt that girl as I found out this past October. Maybe she did find out you were not serious, but that's not how you first portrayed yourself to her. And if she was so bad, why did you have to have a second date with her?  She saw your comments, she was deeply hurt.  And I know your going to say and claim one thing, but I know Natlalya, and your right, I don't know you but I do believe Nataliya who knows you and seeing some of the things you have done, misrepresenting yourself to some ladies, and I'm sure some agencies, I'm going to believe her over you,.....period!




,,,,"but I hope it ends the conspiracy theories.  Seriously, tell me why someone would make this stuff up? I don't get it, what is the agenda here? ",,,,,,,


What the agenda is I'm curious. Why is that Nataly, who won a Diversified Lottery Visa, has had to have a sponsor AND someone to guarantee she will not be a burden on the state, or country?  This is not common and in fact is the exception.   Why?  I learn something new everyday with something in regards to the pursuit for a Russian bride. So I am very curious as to why Nataly has had to have something that as far as I know no one else has had to obtain, a sponsor for the Diversified Lottery Visa

[Bruno]

I have only one question... from where come the money ?

She is newcomer in USA... have work two time for a very short time like nanny... with these few $$$ in one year, how was she able to pay a rent ( same little ), pay food, pay doctor, pay a trip back to Ukraine, etc...

I think that these girl have use the "jerk" like a sugar daddy... she have suck his money until she find you...
Or maybe you are able to explain me how it is possible to live in USA with only a few hundred $$$ earned in one year !!!

If i was you, i will visit these "jerk" and ask what have really happen... it can be interesting since your can become the potential next "jerk" when she will find someone other more interesting...

I don't say that your story is not true... but if these story is true, be carefull... you have maybe find a gold digger, a girl who almost never work, who receive money from guy, who drop them when the cow stop giving milk and who choose a other victim...

[Turboguy]

Jinx,   I think you are finding yourself in a spot I have been in a time or two.  I am more than happy not to be in the hot seat right now. 

A long time ago I was involved in a small business and the gal who helped me with it had a brother who was 38 at the time and was a virgin.  Not only a virgin, he had never kissed a girl.   I will add he was fairly normal looking and had a nice personality.  He would now be around 50 and I am sure the situation has not changed.   It is possible. 

I think all situations have a lot of different vantage points.  I could look at her actions and see someone who has already "traded up" several times and within a very short period.    I can also see the situations she traded up from as not being good and ones who most people would want to be out of.  Other than those comments I will sit on the sidelines and watch the game. 

[Gator]

Jack and Jinx,

My eyes glaze over if too much is written about too little.

Is this matter in the “too little” category?  Seems like it.  However, because I am a “virgin” at these matters I probably am missing something. 

The most intriguing aspect of this story is Nataly’s original sponsor. And to agree with Jack, this man probably has had sex at sometime and literally is not a virgin.  I imagine, however, that his experiences were minimal and not wonderful.  He may suffer from premature ejaculation, smallcox,  something about his mother, or whatever else that would make him so weird to women that he has never had a woman's love with sex.   So figuratively I would call him an “emotional virgin”, completely clueless about women.

“What is Nataly doing under his bed?”   Come on Jack, women love to prowl into men’s stuff looking for “secrets”.  They did it as young girls and many never grew out of it.  Nothing malicious – just being a girl while we young boys were outside the house playing in the mud.

Unless I am misreading this, there is some implication that Nataly was paid for something.  We do not know it to be true.  And so what?  Many a weird man has paid a woman for a surrogate girlfriend experience (or just for the potential of such) without sex. 

And Jinx, I think “thou protest too much”.  Not that you are trying to deceive us but because this is the trait of an overly honest man who feels wronged.  And in this case the wrong was not great.  This is not a court where you need to defend yourself or Nataly.  Your explanation seems plausible but unnecessary.  Next time just say the situation is "one in a million" and too unique to cover in a few words.  What is past is past - the two of you are together and that is all that matters.

So will someone please be more direct about what I am missing.

[KenC]

Gator,
As I see it, the only factoid that doesn't make sense is that Jinx's gf seem to need a sponsor when the diversity visa doesn't require one.  Calling someone a "40 year old virgin" is just a way to describe him since the movie came out.  Consider it a colorful description and not factual sworn testimony.

Jinx,
You wanna put this to rest once and for all?  Why did your gf need to get a sponsor when the diversity visa does not require one?

KenC

[William3rd]

Better read about the public charge provisions, gentlemen.

I have done a couple dozen Diversity cases over the years and there has to be a showing of an alien's ability to support themselves on arrival. I just finished one 3 months ago and the same is as true now as it was 10 years ago.

I have also talked to people in Asia and Europe who were denied their visa because they could not meet the provision.

They can use their own assets, evidence of assured employment , or offers of support in the US.

Nobody just gets on a plane and flies to the US to move onto skid row. They might cross from the south but they dont come in with a visa

[William3rd]

Here you go. boys and girls. From the Warsaw consulate website. I trust this will lay to bed any issues regarding DV support issues. No evidence = no visa.

Required Documents
Public Charge Provisions

An applicant for a fiancé(e) or diversity immigrant visa is not required to file an affidavit of support on form I-864 at the time he or she applies for the visa. However, the Immigration and Nationality Act does require the applicant to establish to the satisfaction of the consular officer at the time of the application for a visa, and also to the satisfaction of an officer of the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) at the time of application for admission to the United States, that he or she is not likely at any time to become a public charge.

An applicant for a fiancé(e) or diversity immigrant visa may generally satisfy the requirement of the law by the presentation of documentary evidence establishing that:
1. the applicant has, or will have in the U.S. personal funds sufficient to provide support for the applicant and dependent family members, if any, or sufficient to provide support until suitable employment is located;
2. the applicant has arranged employment in the U.S. that will provide an adequate income for the applicant and dependent family members;
3. relatives or friends in the U.S. will assure the applicant's support; or
4. a combination of the above circumstances

 
Immigration is my only issue sooo. . . .you guys can go on with this thread by your lonesomes.

[jinx13]

 Thanks William for clearing that part up for me. I am still going to scan her documents, but not post online, that's just too much I think, I will send to Dan the Administrator and let him be the judge, ok?

 I am starting to agree with KenC and Gator, and thinking I protest to much, this has gotten to be rediculous, I feel a little stupid after wasting so much time trying to clarify everything and defend Nataly and me over and over again. I woke up this morning thinking, why am I doing this? I have a hard time letting people say untrue things, and making accusations, calling me a liar, etc.  I should have listened to Doug Salem, there is no winning here, I realize it, but I am going to answer a few more of these questions for the sake of the board, and anybody interested in how a girl can get here on a lottery visa, and also anyone interested in the twists and turns involved in starting a new relationship with a Russian girl.

[jinx13]

 Jack,

 You obviously have some personal vendetta against me, you feel like I talked badly about your business in the T/G thread or what? I could care less if it's Jack's Dream Tour, or Bob's Dream Tour, I think tours are a waste of time and money, but that is my personal opinion, not an attack on you.

 I am an entrepeneur myself, so I can respect any guy out to make a living for himself, and from what I hear you run a good business, lots of good things said about you.

 As far as your friend Nataliya (look in gallery here, Kiev photo's) you are 100% wrong about her Jack, and makes me wonder about the honesty of your business if this is the type girl you associate with. She is a pro dater and there is no doubt in my mind about that, even now over a year later she is on many websites playing the innocent role. When I met her she had just returned from Egypt with another guy, and then started in on me. How many honest girls talk about money on a first date, and start in with "I don't know what I will do, my mother is sick, I have no money" etc.?

 The girl in Volzhsky you are referring to is in the past tense Jack. I met her in 2004, my first Russian girl. I wanted to have a relationship, and marriage if we were compatible, I'm not a player, I came to Russia just for her, and dated only her. It didn't work out, but we were friends for awhile, I thought about English lessons for her. When you talk about me paying for Uni. lessons, that actaully happened in 2004, and she took one semester and learned the basics.  She is the black hair girl in the topic I started "what is your favorite Russian city"  She is in my Moscow pics.

 Yes Nataly and I hit it off right away when she got here, I told you we have always had some connection. Does that mean cupids shooting arrows through my heart, and stars flying aroung my head? No, it wasn't quite that romantic. We were just good friends at first, we kissed after a few weeks, and took it real slow. I had some issues (still kinda had a thing for my ex) she had some issues too, like a lot of guys in Cali wanting to meet with her. I was jealous, but deep down I know I was the only guy she was interested in. We broke up because of these issues, and I needed some closure with the Volzhsky girl, and also wanted to make sure Nataly was the one for me. I went to Ukraine (Kiev, Yalta) and then to Volzhsky, Russia, again. Then finally to Moscow. I had lunch with my ex in Volzhsky, and got the closure I was looking for, we remained friends until recently, she has a new b/f, a Russian man.
 
 I met with some women in the FSU, but it was mostly just friendly stuff, I met all of them from Lucky lovers, except your friend Nataliya, she was an agency girl. I met a lot of really cool girls, and made some guy friends too (Dutch on holiday) it was a great trip. I met one girl in Moscow, and we actually did have romantic feelings for each other. She is a great girl, and we had the best time together, but Nataly was always in my mind. We kept in touch, but it faded pretty fast and she met someone else. I was even honest with her about Nataly, and I told Nataly about the Moscow girl too. You see, I am honest to a fault, and it caused big problems, but eventually a few months later Nataly and I got back together. I was looking for something I already had back home, I just didn't realize it.

 So it's not the perfect love story, and yeah it's unusual, but it's true. If you don't want to believe me, and want to try and match me quote for quote, then have fun, but I'm done defending myself to Jack and Jb. You guys are pretty stubborn, and looking for some reason to bring me down, I don't understand why, and I really don't care anymore.

 To the rest of the group, sorry if this was extremely boring to read, maybe somebody learned something, who knows!   ??? 

[jinx13]

I have only one question... from where come the money ?

 Bruno,  nice to see you here. She had some money (from her parents) but yeah she did have to get a job, right away. Her sponsor let her have free rent for one month I think, and she ate some of his food during this time too. She got a babysitting job quickly, but then later found real jobs. Yes JOBS, plural, she was working at a daycare during the day, and Macy's at night. This girl didn't ask for any handouts, she was trying to make her own way.

[jinx13]

 Gator, KenC,

 I think you summed up the whole "40 year old Virgin" thing, can't really say it any better than that, but I really do think he is a virgin, and yeah, does have mother issues too.    I think her excuse for looking under the bed was that she was looking for his camera to take pictures, but you are probably right, she is a  curious girl, probably already snooped through all my stuff too. 

 

Next time just say the situation is "one in a million" and too unique to cover in a few words.  What is past is past - the two of you are together and that is all that matters.

  Gator, not to sound like a kiss ass, but you are probably my favorite poster here, and a pretty wise guy I think. I think I will heed this advice in the future.

 To many words in this thread, how bout a photo of the dynamic duo that all this controversy is about? Nataly and I at the beach in Santa Cruz 


 

[KenC]

William,
Thanks for the info.  That answers any questions I may have had.
KenC

[Gator]

Jinx,

Just to show that compliments get nowhere with me, I think the photo of Nataly is fabulous but your garb makes you look like a 35-yo virgin.

I say this in jest of course.  I better because I am more vulnerable to attack than you.  Nevertheless, I have a self-sedpracating nature so most insults do not bother me.

[Bruno]

She got a babysitting job quickly, but then later found real jobs. Yes JOBS, plural, she was working at a daycare during the day, and Macy's at night.

Thank you for the reply... the fact that she was with own money supply change a lot my view on your actual girlfriend... until now, i was fearing that you can be a potential victim from a gold digger... now, with these new info, i have no more question... let go and be happy 

About JOBS, it is usual for people of FSU... several JOBS and only these with the lower income to be official ( lower tax )... FSU people don't fear to work hard for reach some confort in life... and don't forget that when the second jod is finish, the day is not finish since several women are alone with children, welcome to the 3's job called homework !!!

[jinx13]

Jinx,
Just to show that compliments get nowhere with me, I think the photo of Nataly is fabulous but your garb makes you look like a 35-yo virgin.

 Well Gator, I just wanted to show a different side of myself other than the stud you see in the avatar there    Nah, I know i'm a tall dorky guy, but do the best with what I got.

 What, you don't like my khaki beach outfit? I thought I was very color coordinated 

[Jooky]

After 12 years working in the video game industry, I find it easy to believe in the reality of a literal 40 year old virgin. In fact, I've met some guys who would shock me if they weren't 40 year old virgins.

And what's so hard to believe about some goofball going to Russian and not getting laid? It happens all the time. Hell, some guys come home engaged, find their fiancee at their doorstep or even wind up married without getting laid.

40 year old virgins? Yup they exist. 

[jinx13]

 Yep, and I also left out one very important detail...He is a Jehovah Witness, and a pretty religious one at that. He would never use a prostitute like Jack suggests.

 they do exist!   

[Admin]

Thanks William for clearing that part up for me. I am still going to scan her documents, but not post online, that's just too much I think, I will send to Dan the Administrator and let him be the judge, ok?

I have seen the documents, which include:

* I-797C Notice of Action
* USCIS-Issued Welcome Letter - and Statement of Selection for the Diversity Visa Program
* Embassy-Issued Notice of Interview in Warsaw, Poland

I am no expert, but it looks like Natalya is (or was) in the US on a Green Card Lottery program - and did, indeed, have her interview at the US Embassy in Poland.

- Dan

[jinx13]

 Thanks Dan,

  Well, I hope that about answers all the questions and ends the speculation.

  I don't expect any apologies, but it would be refreshing if someone here could actually admit when they are wrong, or at least say that maybe they went too far, but I'm not waiting for any miracles.

  My victory dance has lost it's appeal now    I'll just lay the ball in the end zone and walk away.  - David

 p.s. KenC, your man LT is doing it again, 3 TD's so far, but I have Philip Rivers as my fantasy league starter today, and he has nuthin     Come on LT, let someone else score for a change!