Large age difference

[TigerPaws]

It sounds to me like you have been out of the loop for far too long, a perfect example

I'm about tendency with life in small towns in Russia now and for sure I'm more close to that reality than you in your America

As for your opinion about American women it's not the first time you gave out such "declarations" so it was not just a slip:?[/size][/color][/font]
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 First of all Elen my comment about most AM was not a slip, it is an observation baised on experience not a "declaration" of fact, while you may not like my opinion I can assure you far more men agree with me than not.

 I am happy to hear you admit that you are significantly out of the recent knowledge loop about life in rual Russia so you acknowledge that your comments about this subject are of no real value.

 As for your comment about you being "more close to that reality than you in your America." I am sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about. If you are living as a permanent resident in America then is this not your counrty as well or are you one of those permanent residents who hate America and what we stand for?

[TigerPaws]

You may not like hearing the truth Elen but you are spreading disinformation for whatever personal gratification or vendetta you have about Am's finding a bride in the FSU.

May I know what's disinformation i'm spreading? If you are about scammers form small towns then let's go and check some black lists of yours [/size][/color][/font]
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 Elen you are espousing disinformation about why ladies from the FSU marry men from other countries, let alone why they would marry someone 10, 15 or 20 years their senior.

 As for "my" black list, I hvae no need to publish yet another list as there are several high quality black lists in the internet. Scammers come from all walks of life, from every corner of the Earth, this is nothing new life is a buyer beware adventure. So what is your point here? 

[Elen]

First of all Elen my comment about most AM was not a slip, it is an observation baised on experience not a "declaration" of fact, while you may not like my opinion I can assure you far more men agree with me than not.

I've told you the SAME it was not a slip of you. And I YES don't like such "males' " opinion as well as many others Russian women don't accept it. We have our "red flags" too and such "nice " words in American's women address are included in that list. It's not only a matter of dating bussiness but a "basic" thing of "good (or bad) breeding"

I am happy to hear you admit that you are significantly out of the recent knowledge loop about life in rual Russia so you acknowledge that your comments about this subject are of no real value.

:? and where have I said something close to such statement of yours?

As for your comment about you being "more close to that reality than you in your America." I am sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about. 

Hall-o-o-o, boy !! :DWe are speaking about life in Russia

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How do you say that "Wake up and smell a coffee??

If you forget we were speaking about life in small RUSSIAN towns, WHERE have I said something about life in AMERICA???

 

 

 

[Elen]

Scammers come from all walks of life, from every corner of the Earth, this is nothing new life is a buyer beware adventure. So what is your point here? 

My point is - as life in small towns is more harder in finansial aspect then a possability to come across some girl who puts money on the first place in dating business is more higher there than in some big city .

Now if I put too many grammar mistakes in my sentence , please somebody let correct them for our Tiger :? would be able to understand  what I'm speaking about .. at least:?[/size][/color][/font]

[TigerPaws]

Elen,

 I am sorry if i misunderstood you but sometimes your poor use of the English language forces me to guess at what you are trying to say.

 

[Elen]

I would appreciate if you post quotations  with my such poor English with corrected mistakes

[TigerPaws]

My point is - as life in small towns is more harder in finansial aspect then a possability to come across some girl who puts money on the first place in dating business is more higher there than in some big city .

Now if I put too many grammar mistakes in my sentence , please somebody let correct them for our Tiger :? would be able to understand  what I'm speaking about .. at least:?[/size][/color][/font]

 Elen,

 For whatever reason you seem to be fixated on the view that the vast majority of ladies from the FSU seeking men from another country are out to scam them in some way. Additionally I strongly disagree with you about the motovation of ladies from the smaller cities, towns and villages to be scammers over the girls for the large cities, If someone is predisposed to criminal behavior it will matter little where thay are from.   

 As you so conventualy seem to ignore, my lady is from and has strong family and personal ties to rual Russia, we both know numerious ladies who would be happy to meet a nice family oriented man regardless (with minor exceptions) of where he is from. Several of these ladies have fond happiness here in America as well as Canada and England so your assumptions seem to be baised on some prejudices towards men from other countries marryng women from the FSU.

 

[Elen]

 

Additionally I strongly disagree with you about the motovation of ladies from the smaller cities, towns and villages to be scammers over the girls for the large cities, If someone is predisposed to criminal behavior it will matter little where thay are from.   

Ok. Let's give out your ideas about why you don't like to deal with girls from big cities. And when you'll post your variation of reality let's  work out in detail about such concepts as "Americanized women" and "old traditional values"   [/color][/font]

[300spartans]

Fiorella and Elen,

Several men have tried to reason with both of you, which seems to be a waste of time. You both have a singular worldview including numerous distortions about Putin's Russia and life in the Soviet Union. This is normal, most former Soviet residents are very ignorant about the things that actually happened in their own country, even during their own lifetime. Even those that have lived in Siberia tend to downplay the evidence of their own eyes, such as seeing women from punishment work camps and physically unfit soldiers marching off to work at the point of bayonets. This was seen by my fiancé in the 1980's and probably is still going on today. Russia has often been a heartless and cruel country, and ladies such as you two are good examples of the results. Genetically speaking this cruelty has some positive though politically incorrect results. The weak are eliminated from the breeding pool and oftentimes the best-looking young women are selected for survival. This has been going on since the days of the Golden Horde, and probably earlier. The killing and selection process has been at it's most extreme in Ukraine. No wonder many Ukrainian women are so attractive. They are often more feminine and emotional than Russian women. Thinner too, if my own eyes are any guide. My fiancé gained a few kilos living with me in Ukraine and has not gained any more weight in several months in the West. After marriage, I do not expect any change, at least for some years. After she gains permanent residency, probably not then either. My UW is very proud of being slim and attractive and she maintains her slimness mostly for herself rather than the approval of others. Like all people she is a unique individual, she is very aware that some FSU women become chubsters in the West, she saw some of them on TV in Kiev, and at the marriage agency. 

I am not going to argue with you two ladies, your opinions are your own. Please remember that this board is predominantly for the exchange of views about FSU women relationships by western men. Whilst it is nice to hear a FSU woman's opinion, if only as a warning, desist trying to attack those men who the board exists for.

Think how you would like it if one or two WM did the same thing on Russian language boards specifically intended for FSU women. In fact, just think. Please stop quoting dozens of snippets from other posts and then contradicting them. The men here are entitled to their opinions without your attempts to drive them away.

On a positive note, I believe neither of you would be ladies that deceive and trick WM (and RM!) financially, as do many other FSU women as you both have proudly pointed out. Especially in the FSU are victims blamed, and no sympathy exists for them. This is a point of interest for me; you despise WM, especially Americans for being trusting, naive and gullible. Yet, if either of you were the type to trick and cheat WM, you would hardly post your regular attacks on this board. I can say that after being cheated/lied to and financially conned by a woman on our first date/robbed in the street by Gypsies in Kiev (probably a set up involving my young interpreter) in just my first 24 hours, I will never again be either naive, trusting or gullible. So thankyou FSU for those brutal lessons so late in my life. However, back in the West I am slowly "letting my guard down".

[Elen]

It's such bull **** that there is even no desire for answer (wich is a rare thing for me , actually :?)

[Elen]

Think how you would like it if one or two WM did the same thing on Russian language boards specifically intended for FSU women

Welcome there, but at first let go and study Russian

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[Coulter]

[user=150]300spartans[/user] wrote:

Fiorella and Elen,

Several men have tried to reason with both of you, which seems to be a waste of time. You both have a singular worldview including numerous distortions about Putin's Russia and life in the Soviet Union.

Yes, it is very true that only US citizens know the truth and who is right.

Excuse me, but you are showing no respect for other points of view or other "worldview". In that case, why did you or are you looking for a Russian bride? Mr. White Knight rescuing a princess? To be skromnie would be more useful.

[Bruno]

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My fiancé gained a few kilos living with me in Ukraine and has not gained any more weight in several months in the West. After marriage, I do not expect any change, at least for some years.
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Is it mean no child, at least for some year ?

[TigerPaws]

[user=150]300spartans[/user] wrote:

Fiorella and Elen,

Several men have tried to reason with both of you, which seems to be a waste of time. You both have a singular worldview including numerous distortions about Putin's Russia and life in the Soviet Union. This is normal, most former Soviet residents are very ignorant about the things that actually happened in their own country, even during their own lifetime. Even those that have lived in Siberia tend to downplay the evidence of their own eyes, such as seeing women from punishment work camps and physically unfit soldiers marching off to work at the point of bayonets. This was seen by my fiancé in the 1980's and probably is still going on today. Russia has often been a heartless and cruel country, and ladies such as you two are good examples of the results. Genetically speaking this cruelty has some positive though politically incorrect results. The weak are eliminated from the breeding pool and oftentimes the best-looking young women are selected for survival. This has been going on since the days of the Golden Horde, and probably earlier. The killing and selection process has been at it's most extreme in Ukraine. No wonder many Ukrainian women are so attractive. They are often more feminine and emotional than Russian women. Thinner too, if my own eyes are any guide. My fiancé gained a few kilos living with me in Ukraine and has not gained any more weight in several months in the West. After marriage, I do not expect any change, at least for some years. After she gains permanent residency, probably not then either. My UW is very proud of being slim and attractive and she maintains her slimness mostly for herself rather than the approval of others. Like all people she is a unique individual, she is very aware that some FSU women become chubsters in the West, she saw some of them on TV in Kiev, and at the marriage agency. 

I am not going to argue with you two ladies, your opinions are your own. Please remember that this board is predominantly for the exchange of views about FSU women relationships by western men. Whilst it is nice to hear a FSU woman's opinion, if only as a warning, desist trying to attack those men who the board exists for.

Think how you would like it if one or two WM did the same thing on Russian language boards specifically intended for FSU women. In fact, just think. Please stop quoting dozens of snippets from other posts and then contradicting them. The men here are entitled to their opinions without your attempts to drive them away.

On a positive note, I believe neither of you would be ladies that deceive and trick WM (and RM!) financially, as do many other FSU women as you both have proudly pointed out. Especially in the FSU are victims blamed, and no sympathy exists for them. This is a point of interest for me; you despise WM, especially Americans for being trusting, naive and gullible. Yet, if either of you were the type to trick and cheat WM, you would hardly post your regular attacks on this board. I can say that after being cheated/lied to and financially conned by a woman on our first date/robbed in the street by Gypsies in Kiev (probably a set up involving my young interpreter) in just my first 24 hours, I will never again be either naive, trusting or gullible. So thankyou FSU for those brutal lessons so late in my life. However, back in the West I am slowly "letting my guard down".

 

Well put 300spartans, of course neither lady will listen to you, typical of such women, which is most likely why they are posting on this board, no respectable man will have them.

[Elen]

Well put 300spartans, of course neither lady will listen to you, typical of such women, which is most likely why they are posting on this board, no respectable man will have them.

:D:D They call THAT "arguments"

Following such logic eihter there are no respectable women in America at all (wonder what a such odd effect democracy has on population in American paradise ) or there is something wrong with guys themselves as they run to the East to have somebody who would listen to their "smart" babbling:P:P)

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[Kvinna]

Think how you would like it if one or two WM did the same thing on Russian language boards specifically intended for FSU women

Welcome there, but at first let go and study Russian

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они итак к нам периодически приходят и пишут по-английски, вот сейчас будут кричать - почему я тут написала по-русски, хотя мы от них не требуем знания русского.

[TigerPaws]

 there are no respectable women in America at all 
 

 

Bingo, Yatzee and the answer is? They are extremily few truly good women in America anymore.

[Elen]

I suspect thought the second part of my sentence is more probable 

[TigerPaws]

Only in your dreams Elen, you just seem to be another woman who has come to hate men.

[Elen]

Who do tell you I hate men ??? We just have a different meaning for this word:P

(PS Calm down "hate" is too strong emotion to be wasted on you)

[TigerPaws]

 I think we should get back to the subject of this thread: Age Differences as things seem to have strayed abit afield.

 We (my lady and I) have recently come into contact with some new neighbors who would seem to fit into this discussion very well. He is a sucessful American businessman 51, divorced with a 14 year old daughter living with her mother in another region of the country. He met and married an attractive 27 year old Ukrainian girl with a 4 year old son, the have been here in south west Florida for 9 months now.

 My wife is the first person Olya has met from the FSU sense arriving in America and the two have been spending quite a bit of time together. My wife believes that Olya is sincere in her feelings for her husband and from what little time I have spent around the two of them their relationship seems to be very good. Olya dose not speak very good English just yet but she is trying hard and wants to learn enough to learn to drive, as for what their future will bring in the future no one can tell, still they seem to have a good start on their relationship.

[Coulter]

[user=17]TigerPaws[/user]
Face it Elen the vast majority of AM are going to the FSU because far to many AW's are for the most part psychotic bitches.[/quote]

:D:D
First it is a very small minority who do this. As for the psychotic bitches, that is very interesting, for we must assume now or soon that the men for the most part are/will be psychotic too, being educated by those psychotic bitches. So we have/will have a lot of psychotic goats...:?
Or do we have to assume that the mothers for the most part are no psychotic bitches...:?

[Coulter]

Well put 300spartans, of course neither lady will listen to you, typical of such women, which is most likely why they are posting on this board, no respectable man will have them.

:D:D They call THAT "arguments"

Following such logic eihter there are no respectable women in America at all (wonder what a such odd effect democracy has on population in American paradise ) or there is something wrong with guys themselves as they run to the East to have somebody who would listen to their "smart" babbling:P:P)

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Elen,

What is sure is that the man (note to Dan : "not all men") who wrote that is not respectable because he does not respect you. With such attitude it is understandable that they will be rejected by US women.

But why did/do they look for a Russian woman? Why:?

[Coulter]

I think we should get back to the subject of this thread: Age Differences as things seem to have strayed abit afield.

We (my lady and I) have recently come into contact with some new neighbors who would seem to fit into this discussion very well. He is a sucessful American businessman 51, divorced with a 14 year old daughter living with her mother in another region of the country. He met and married an attractive 27 year old Ukrainian girl with a 4 year old son, the have been here in south west Florida for 9 months now.

My wife is the first person Olya has met from the FSU sense arriving in America and the two have been spending quite a bit of time together. My wife believes that Olya is sincere in her feelings for her husband and from what little time I have spent around the two of them their relationship seems to be very good. Olya dose not speak very good English just yet but she is trying hard and wants to learn enough to learn to drive, as for what their future will bring in the future no one can tell, still they seem to have a good start on their relationship.

OK! Now you can propose them the "test"...

[TigerPaws]

 With such attitude it is understandable that they will be rejected by US women.

But why did/do they look for a Russian woman? Why:?

 

 You are missing the point completly, men who are looking for ladies from the FUS are not being rejected by AW, they are the ones rejecting the AW and looking for something better in the FSU.