Large age difference

[Bruno]

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hm... and where you find this information?
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Sorry, Nato confidential ... only for army eyes...

[Elen]

please, give me some example when Moscow girl 20 y.o. is dating with Moscow old man 70 y.o.

Metro station "Kitay-gorod" , an exist to the hotel "Rossia"  (the very right entrance hall) After 9PM you can find a row of 20 y.o girls who migrated there from Tverskay:D:D.

[Bruno]

Good address Elena,

But if you wish really fun, try the "Metro" in St. Peterburg

Ligovskiy pr., 174 , M. Ligovsky Prospect, 10 p.m. to 6 a.m.

Metro has stood the test of time, a rarity in the Russian nightclub business.  Mega-sized club spanning three floors, each practically a club within a club. Cheap drinks and reasonable over though seemingly higher every time I visit. The first two floors fill up with the younger crowd, but the third floor is a little older. Warning: Don't go to Metro if you are offended by 18 - 21 year old girls wearing close to nothing and having a great time. The tennis match factor here is a 10 on a 10 point scale.  Chewing gum is not allowed.  I'm serious.  You will be asked if you have drinks, weapons, or gum as you enter the club.   After you reply no, the will search you.  If they find gum, they will confiscate it and scowl at you.  Don't try hiding it in your underwear, they will find it.

[Elen]

Pfew! What for should I go to Piter? I have an endless amount of night clubs here in Moscow:D:D

[Bruno]

Elen,

the "metro" is not for you but for the old man who like young ladies...

[Elen]

Well then let they go better to Piter as I doubt they have enough money for "fun' in Moscow night clubs with 20 y.ol. moscow girls:P

[Kvinna]

Well then let they go better to Piter as I doubt they have enough money for "fun' in Moscow night clubs with 20 y.ol. moscow girls:P

  yes, but they could have fun with girls from Ukraina and Moldova... on Leningradka

[Elen]

 (i've told them THAt too)

[Kvinna]

(i've told them THAt too)

 by the way, guys, why not to go to the site prostitutki.ru and not to order there hot young MOB

[BC]

Kvinna,

Antidate was made as a forum for women from FSU about hazards and risks of online dating, it was and it is still and it will be so

and yes we have black list and this is very useful for our women, we suppose the men who are involved online dating process (not only westerners but from FSU as well) have to be sure that our women are not "orphans" and they can find the help and protection against some jerks, that is what antidate is supposed to do

All good goals IMHO.

[Admin]

by the way, guys,why not to goto the siteprostitutki.ru and not to order there hot young MOB

Hey! I noticed something at that site. 79 % of all ladies listed claim they are from **RUSSIA! Only 11 % say they are from UKRAINE!

Elen, what is going on - are the demographics of prostitutes in Russia changing?!?  

[Elen]

Nope just all Ukraine girls are staing at Leningradka in Moscow  (for keeping such "business" through Internet you should at least have a comp wich is some difficult for Ukraine citizens:P)

[Admin]

Nope just all Ukraine girls are staing at Leningradka in Moscow (forkeeping such "business" through Internet you should at least have a comp wich is some difficult for Ukraine citizens:P)

OK - I see now. It is a 'class' issue. Ukrainian prostitutes in Russia are of the 'streetwalker' class - and the Russian prostitutes in Russian are the 'call-girl' type. Do I have it correct now?  :cool:

Why did I know that was what you were going to say???

- Dan

[Muzh]

Kvinna, I think most of us here are in agreement with many of your same thoughts and feelings. On occasion we hear about old men who only seek and want young girls. Like with you and many of your Russian lady friends, this does not leave a good taste with a lot of us.
 
It does happen Kvinna, the world is full of all kinds of people, good and bad. From my observation you and some of your girlfriends want to label, or consider, most foreign men involved in the pursuit for a foreign bride as bad. I think this is what is bothering a lot of the guys here.

Jack:

I would like you to clarify the above two statements.  Are you saying that an old man looking for a young girl is a bad guy?  I know that Elen and Kvinna have a problem with large age difference.  Are you saying the same?

Also, and please guys this is just for clarification, most, not "on ocassion" as stated by Jack, of the guys on this list are looking for girls at least 20 years younger than them.  At what age gap is it that a foreign man becomes "bad?" 25, 30 year difference?  One already posted asking for advice on "liberal" states that would "tolerate" a 20-something years age gap.  Actually, it should be a very conservative bible-belt state that would see no problems with it, as long as you go to church and give "generously."

Finally you state: Just as you make reference to, and you are correct, in that we do not know you, how can we judge you? We want to say the same to you. You do not know us, how can you judge each of us?  It is not Elen and Kvinna that will judge you, but your community and coworkers that will do the talking and assumptions.  My question to those who are contemplating this, is your skin that thick?  Do you have the patience, stamina, and understanding to "educate" these people?  Are you a 100% sure that those father-daughter looking marriages will survive the constant ribbing, especially your young bride?  Don't be surprised to hear the  comments "as soon as she gets her green card, you're history" type from the "well-intentioned friends" trying to help.  An old saying goes by: a constant drop of water will make a hole in a rock.  Or worse, some of the so-called friends making a pass (or trying to grab) at your young bride just because if she is that young and married this old coot, it only means that she is after his money so she is fair game.  I've seen this.

Just a word of caution.


 

[KenC]

A few comments on the subject of large age differences. (and not the ethniticity of prostitutes in Moscow):

My Mother in law is 3 years older than me and my Father in law is 5 years older.  I was easily accepted into the family without hesitation.  We have become very close since too.  Just so no one doubts the motivation of that acceptance, my in laws have never asked for a dime.  They live a rather comfortable life and have a decent income for Russia.

Someone posted a question asking how an AM would react if his daughter was being wooed by an older man.  My situation is that I do have a daughter about my wife's age.  I have suggested to her that she might be happier with an older man than with the guys's close to her age.  I do not recommend that anyone push the age gap as far as I did (25 years) because it is a difficult obstical to overcome for various reasons.  In order for it to be succussful, the two people involved need to be unusually unique in many ways.  It has worked and is working for us as we close in on our 6th aniversary.

KenC

[Elen]

My situation is that I do have a daughter about my wife's age.  I have suggested to her that she might be happier with an older man than with the guys's close to her age

 If "older" means something "about 20 years" then I wonder that you still alive but not killed by your former wife for such "suggestions" to your own daughter[/font]

[Bruce]

For all it is worth,  since I have been married to my wife many young single women (21 to 27) have come out of the woodwork in her small city bombarding my wife's mother with photos and contact information for themselves after my wife told her mother that I have three good friends who she has met and interacted with who are quality guys,  two 44 year olds and one 49, that are single and may be interested in going to Russia to find a wife.  In fact, the requests have come in so fast and furiously that  my wife can not handle the pressure of rejection for many of them and has told her family to stop sending them.  One girl, a 27 year old beautiful neurologist without children has a great chance with any guy - in fact, all my friends are interested in this one girl, and she has no problem with any of them.  The key point is that many Russian girls in her particular city of Tver just do not have enough men in their city and see themselves as having no chance of ever getting married.  Many have been married and are now divorced after marrying a Russian man in his 20's who was too immature to handle marriage, much less a family.  The choice for many eligible, especially well educated single girls in their 20's in Tver, is to be one of the quality guys in town girlfriend, who also happens to be married with children and in his 40's or 50's or to stay single.  That is what is driving girls to seek stable Western men in that particular city.  Many of the girls view a 15 to 25 year age difference as necessary for stability.  Many of the women in their 20's through past horrible experience know that a man within 10 years certainly of their age almost always is too immature and unstable for them to seek marriage with.  Elen, what is your advice for young, especially well educated  Russian women in their 20's who can not find a Russian man to their liking even if they consider Russian men from 20 to 60 (in many cases these girls can not find a Russian man at all to like them)???  

[Elen]

Elen, what is your advice for young, especially well educated  Russian women in their 20's who can not find a Russian man to their liking even if they consider Russian men from 20 to 60 (in many cases these girls can not find a Russian man at all to like them)???  

 

Nothing advices from me in such situation:? I don't know I didn't face such problem in my own 20s as I studied in technical University and  had a lot of attention from immature boys:D (but at least it was really "fun" but not an act of hopeless )

So my only advice for these girls would be something like that:   let's calculate your "powers" right and accurate because to be married whom your are not in love with is much more "bad" fate than to be alone.

[Kvinna]

Elen, what is your advice for young, especially well educated  Russian women in their 20's who can not find a Russian man to their liking even if they consider Russian men from 20 to 60 (in many cases these girls can not find a Russian man at all to like them)???  

 

Nothing advices from me in such situation:? I don't know I didn't face such problem in my own 20s as I studied in technical University and  had a lot of attention from immature boys:D (but at least it was really "fun" but not an act of hopeless )

So my only advice for these girls would be something like that:   let's calculate your "powers" right and accurate because to be married whom your are not in love with is much more "bad" fate than to be alone.
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I would suggest these girl to think why those men who follows younger women cannot deal with women their ages?

[Kvinna]

by the way, guys, why not to go to the site prostitutki.ru and not to order there hot young MOB

Hey! I noticed something at that site. 79 % of all ladies listed claim they are from **RUSSIA! Only 11 % say they are from UKRAINE!

Elen, what is going on - are the demographics of prostitutes in Russia changing?!? [/quote]
 

that is because ukrainian girls not popular among Moscow men...

[Bruno]

Bruce, how can a young russian woman about 20 year old know that she go never find a Russian man... usually, at these age, she is always at school... she is only at the very beginning of his adult life...

If can understandt a RW around 30 year old who marry a foreign man, same a old one... it is his choice and she have use some year for search a local man...

I think that a young woman from 20 year have no problem for date man in russia... if she search a foreign man, it is more for go outside russia... for find a confort life without need make a lot...

And i can say that the actual RW around 20 year old are not so much mature that the 20 y.o. RW from ten year ago... they are almost like our young western woman... i don't see a lot of difference between a 20 y.o. from Europa and Russia... i find difference in woman from around 30 y.o...

[Admin]

Kvinna[/user] wrote:
that is because ukrainian girls not popular among Moscow men...

Kvinna,

You need to check with Elen then - because according to Elen, Russian men like Ukrainian women VERY much. In fact, Russian men like Ukrainian women SOOOOOO much, that there are almost no Russian women who work as prostitutes in Russia - it is all Ukrainian women.

Do you disagree with Elen?

- Dan

[Elen]

I have not said Ukraine gilrs standing at Leninrgadka's were popular among russian men. There are a LOT of desperated Caucasians here as well. They match each others:P

[Bruce]

Bruno - I still believe there are alot of the more "traditional families," in Russia, especially when you get out of the large cities like Moscow and St. Petersburg.  Within the smaller cities and towns there has and I believe continues to be a large amount of family as well as self expectation on the part of young women that they become married, definitely by age 25, of course to a Russian man.  A percentage of girls that have been married prior to age 25 are divorced with or without children.  Because of their divorce and experience coping with their new found reality of marriage that had lead to divorce I surmise a minority of these women become fed up with their local men and entertain the thought of a foreigner.  Others just do not have the number of suitors they once had and look for foreigners as well as locals.  The majority of girls seriously considering foreigners as well as locals increases as the women age.  I believe the percentage of girls seriously looking for foreigners around age 20 is virtually none, but it increases each year a girl remains single and as the girl approaches 25 I believe the numbers would significantly increase.  Now, how high the numbers of girls seriously looking for foreigners is, I believe to be relatively low.  However, the singles game is a numbers game and there just are more single girls looking for foreigners than foreigners looking for single girls, especially when one looks at the numbers of girls with children and the numbers of guys looking for a girl with a child or children.   It all comes down to demographics.  Once you get out of the larger cities the numbers of local men the average Russian woman considers to be good men (works and holds a decent job that can provide for a family, non-alcoholic, reasonably educated etc.) is much lower than the quality of the women.  Thats why foreigners can find a girl as nice, as educated as well as younger and prettier in the FSU than we could find in our own back yard - which brings those who are able to the FSU in the first place.  Now, what I believe in no way says anything bad about Russian men at all.  I have great respect for Russian men and believe there are a tremendous amount of good men in Russia.  One of my best friends in the world is a Russian man.  Still, it all comes down to numbers and I firmly believe that at the margins, the numbers are in the guys favor, even the foreign guy.

[Turboguy]

Hummm, that site must be the Russian Version of Home Shoppng Network