Re: Scammers and Werewolves

[JosO]

Hi, I am new to this site but I have already read a lot today. I wanted to be sure that this is the right place where I can ask my questions and talk about my concerns. But firs, I think it would be helpful to introduce myself. I am a German man living and working in the US. I work in the aerospace area. In the past, I have been corresponding with several Russian women and found them very attractive and sweet. However, our relationships never worked out because all of them sooner or later asked for money, which I never sent. I simply stopped writing to them. My profile is on several dating sites and many American women write to me. I can't say American women are unattractive but they're not in my taste. Nothing personal, of course. Three weeks ago, a girl from Belarus wrote to me and we have been corresponding for three full weeks. She says she has a computer at home. We chatted quite a few times. She never asked me for any money though. That's why I don't feel right to mention her name here. However, today I've received an email from her, like usually. What made me wonder was that she asked for a Christmas gift. I don't mind giving a gift to the girl I like. And to say the truth, I like her a lot. But the thing she asked for made me wonder. You probably wonder too, what was it that she asked. Well, she asked for a book. If it was any other book, I'd gladly send it to her as a gift. But this book is a strange book. It is a book about scammers. That's why I felt that I should ask someone who is more experienced. The book's title is "Dating Werewolves" and I've seen it on Amazon and several other sites. I did some research and read the book description. I don't know why she wanted this book and this bothers me. Does any one have any advise regarding this issue? I really fall for this girl and hope that this is simply a curiosity. But you know guys, it really bothers me. And thought will be appreciated.

[Admin]

Hi, I am new to this site but I have already read a lot today. I wanted to be sure that this is the right place where I can ask my questions and talk about my concerns. But firs, I think it would be helpful to introduce myself. I am a German man living and working in the US. I work in the aerospace area. In the past, I have been corresponding with several Russian women and found them very attractive and sweet. However, our relationships never worked out because all of them sooner or later asked for money, which I never sent. I simply stopped writing to them. My profile is on several dating sites and many American women write to me. I can't say American women are unattractive but they're not in my taste. Nothing personal, of course. Three weeks ago, a girl from Belarus wrote to me and we have been corresponding for three full weeks. She says she has a computer at home. We chatted quite a few times. She never asked me for any money though. That's why I don't feel right to mention her name here. However, today I've received an email from her, like usually. What made me wonder was that she asked for a Christmas gift. I don't mind giving a gift to the girl I like. And to say the truth, I like her a lot. But the thing she asked for made me wonder. You probably wonder too, what was it that she asked. Well, she asked for a book. If it was any other book, I'd gladly send it to her as a gift. But this book is a strange book. It is a book about scammers. That's why I felt that I should ask someone who is more experienced. The book's title is "Dating Werewolves" and I've seen it on Amazon and several other sites. I did some research and read the book description. I don't know why she wanted this book and this bothers me. Does any one have any advise regarding this issue? I really fall for this girl and hope that this is simply a curiosity. But you know guys, it really bothers me. And thought will be appreciated.

Here is a link to the book -- <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&keywords=Dating%20Werewolves&tag=russianwome08-20&index=books&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325">Dating Werewolves</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=russianwome08-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />

Why do you think she is asking you for that? Does she read English well enough to be able to read the book?

Your situation sounds more than a little strange to me.

- Dan

[JosO]

Dan, thank you for your quick reply. Yes, this is the same book she wanted. And yes, her English is very good. The whole situation is strange to me too. Why would a FSU girl want a book about scammers if she is not one of them? Does she hope to learn something new in it? That's what bothers me, buddy.

[BC]

Gruesse,

Maybe it's the author trying to 'bump' sales.. 

-That would be too funny...

Does sound like an interesting read though..

[tim 360]

Maybe she wants to set up a little business 

[JosO]

BC, may I ask you what do you mean? I though this is the right place where I could find understanding. I'm not that quick to accuse someone like I've seen some do on this forum. That's why I'd keep the girl's name private because I'm not sure about her motives yet. I wanted to understand the situation first. And I don't want to make a mistake either.

[Gator]

Why guess?  Just ask her why she chose this book.

[Mir]

Jos

I think you can just ask her why she wants this book and what she will do with it etc.

[JosO]

I definitely will ask her why she wanted this book. I've been thinking about this myself. I also wanted to hear other people's opinions here first. But thank you all for participating in this discussion.

[Kvinna]

well, the book becomes very popular I see
http://www.rwguide.com/forums/topic.cfm?topic=3950

[Kvinna]

I definitely will ask her why she wanted this book. I've been thinking about this myself. I also wanted to hear other people's opinions here first. But thank you all for participating in this discussion.

I can tell you, why
http://forum.antidate.org/index.php?showtopic=5251&st=0

[JosO]

I have asked the girl why she wanted this book. She said that she was just curious. I have felt something fishy in her message though. I don't know what it is but somehow I feel that  there's something wrong. Things seem different now. Well, another disappointment I guess.

[BillyB]

What a coincidence. I just happen to hear about this book for the first time and in two days 3 new posters, in 3 different RW forums, in their first post just happen to ask questions pertaining to this book. Sounds like an aggressive marketing campaign. I think there are better odds winning the lottery than for something like this to happen.

[Kvinna]

I have asked the girl why she wanted this book. She said that she was just curious. I have felt something fishy in her message though. I don't know what it is but somehow I feel that  there's something wrong. Things seem different now. Well, another disappointment I guess.

really smell very fishy
for 2 days info about this book was spreaded over the Net
though we already know what this book about. Nothing to read, author has no style and class.Also the book looks like a scissors work.

[groovlstk]

really smell very fishy
for 2 days info about this book was spreaded over the Net
though we already know what this book about. Nothing to read, author has no style and class.Also the book looks like a scissors work.

The publisher is a vanity press, meaning the author was not paid or contracted by a legitimate publishing house. Using new printing presses that were released in 2003, they can print one or two copies at a time, so there is no investment on the part of the author or  publisher. It's shlock, and at best the only editorial review it got was from the author's buddies.

[Michelangelo]

Groove is correct. 

It's a vanity press book, which means it is not a "real book" at all.

Authors who are not good enough to meet the standards of a publishing house choose to "publish" books that way.

Real publishers put a lot of money into marketing a book.  That's why authors need real publishers.

This is funny...now we are not talking about girl scammers from the FSU,

but book scammers    LOL

[groovlstk]

Real publishers put a lot of money into marketing a book.  That's why authors need real publishers.

Yes, and vanity press authors who don't have money to invest in marketing their book instead spam message boards

One thing that really impresses me about RWD is that charlatans are quickly unmasked, the Ashley Neals, Natashas, and other come here thinking they can BS  a bunch of BSers quickly turn tail and run.

[Jooky]

Can't someone give this poor guy a serious answer?

I saw this book filling the shelves at the Barnes and Nobles in downtown Minsk a week ago. Looked like a top seller and a hot Christmas item to me (Christmas is huge in the FSU). I read some very positive reviews at www.werewolfdiscussion.com, and of course it was recommended by Oprah. I'd buy this book myself but it's a bit pricey. I can see why your girlfriend might ask for it as a present. She'd have to scam a lot of dumb foreigners to get that kind of cash. Maybe she can start here at this site?

The one thing that would worry me is that maybe your girlfriend is more interested in dating werewolves than Germans. Unless, of course, you are a German werewolf.

[miranda]

Jooky, I like the way you think. Everything is possible to discuss and I am curious now. Will get the book and will tell my opinion. I hate scamers! They discredite all russians. So sad. But we all have to remember that there are many normal russians there and not all are scamers! We have to know about them of course. Especially you guys. I am not a scammer. I am looking for a nice guy and it is very sad that some smart asses discredited us. We are not bad. The worst is that good scammers looks like not scamers. This is why we have to be thankful to people who write about scammers on forums, antiscam sites ot in books. You have to be able to see who is a scammer. If I will like this book I will recomend it. If I won;t like this book, well,  no problem. But I think it may be informative book. I read a bit on lulu. It was for free. I liked what I read and will download it now. Bad is that it is too expensive. Amazon has worst prices though. Why? I always thopught that amazon has the best prices. Weird...
Do anybody know other books about scammers? I'd like to read about them. It is pretty new for me and I am curious. Also I am curious how do people can send money to a person they never seen before! That is so naive!

[Admin]

Jooky, I like the way you think. Everything is possible to discuss and I am curious now. Will get the book and will tell my opinion. I hate scamers! They discredite all russians. So sad. But we all have to remember that there are many normal russians there and not all are scamers! We have to know about them of course. Especially you guys. I am not a scammer. I am looking for a nice guy and it is very sad that some smart asses discredited us. We are not bad. The worst is that good scammers looks like not scamers. This is why we have to be thankful to people who write about scammers on forums, antiscam sites ot in books. You have to be able to see who is a scammer. If I will like this book I will recomend it. If I won;t like this book, well,  no problem. But I think it may be informative book. I read a bit on lulu. It was for free. I liked what I read and will download it now. Bad is that it is too expensive. Amazon has worst prices though. Why? I always thopught that amazon has the best prices. Weird...
Do anybody know other books about scammers? I'd like to read about them. It is pretty new for me and I am curious. Also I am curious how do people can send money to a person they never seen before! That is so naive!

Miranda,

I missed your APOLOGY for accusing us of deleting the thread. Did you post that APOLOGY somewhere else?

- Dan

[miranda]

Dan, the topic were deleted, right? If not I am really sorry.  But I didn;t see it for a while and was searching. I am sorry if I was wrong. And I am glad we can discuss here. I am new to this all scam thing and it is interesting for me because I am curious. I also would like to know about scammers because I am using dating sites now (not too long though). So thanks for this forum. And sorry again.

[Admin]

Dan, the topic were deleted, right? If not I am really sorry.  But I didn;t see it for a while and was searching. I am sorry if I was wrong. And I am glad we can discuss here. I am new to this all scam thing and it is interesting for me because I am curious. I also would like to know about scammers because I am using dating sites now (not too long though). So thanks for this forum. And sorry again.

No Miranda - as I wrote in another response to you, NOTHING was deleted. I merely SPLIT *this* topic away from the other topic so that it did NOT hijack the other thread.

It is considered rude and boorish to intentionally jump into someone else's thread and take it over. Also, since I find the original material quite suspicious, I wanted it in a topic all its own.

BTW - if you REALLY want to know something about scams, you can read all about them right here. There is no more complete discussion forum on the topic anywhere.

- Dan

[miranda]

now. StaBTW - if you REALLY want to know something about scams, you can read all about them right here. There is no more complete discussion forum on the topic anywhere.

I am reading. Started to read today. It seems like I will spend much time here. 

[Kvinna]

Jooky, I like the way you think. Everything is possible to discuss and I am curious now. Will get the book and will tell my opinion. I hate scamers! They discredite all russians. So sad. But we all have to remember that there are many normal russians there and not all are scamers! We have to know about them of course. Especially you guys. I am not a scammer. I am looking for a nice guy and it is very sad that some smart asses discredited us. We are not bad. The worst is that good scammers looks like not scamers. This is why we have to be thankful to people who write about scammers on forums, antiscam sites ot in books. You have to be able to see who is a scammer. If I will like this book I will recomend it. If I won;t like this book, well,  no problem. But I think it may be informative book. I read a bit on lulu. It was for free. I liked what I read and will download it now. Bad is that it is too expensive. Amazon has worst prices though. Why? I always thopught that amazon has the best prices. Weird...
Do anybody know other books about scammers? I'd like to read about them. It is pretty new for me and I am curious. Also I am curious how do people can send money to a person they never seen before! That is so naive!

wow, good advertising
tell me what percent author pay to you for such PR actions?

[miranda]

Kvinna, yuo wrote that you read that book and the author doesn;t have a style. I am sure you lied. And it shows who you really are. Read it and you will understand what I mean. I bought it yesterday and read about 1/4 or more. I liked it. The autor has a good style and great sense of humor. My english is not perfect but I understood almpost eevrything. Bad is that the book is too expensive. Even an electronic version. I think not much people can afford to buy it. I enjoyed it. One thing is weird - how can it be that the author knows about scammers so much? He wrote their tricks and how they work Yana, the main scamer, is teaching another girl how to scam. She teach how to ask for gifts, flowers and how to get money without asking! Wow! She doesn;t even ask for money but writes things that men send her anyway! I was very impressed! If I would not a christian, I'd be a scamer!  Sorry but it seems like easy "job". They are ver sly and Yana tells how to write and what to do so the girl gets gifts and money too! It was cool to see things from the scammer side. Those girls are very smart and know the men' nature. Very informative. I'd not be a scamer but people who read that book can easily do same because those scammers look like not scammers! I was really impressed. I'll read today mor and will tell what happen later.
Kvinna, relax! It semmes like you are not too happy woman. Or envy. Nothing personal. But read forst and say. Don't lie because people won;t believe you anymore! What is a scammer? She or he lies. You lied wjhen you said that you read that book.
And by the way, I am russian and don;t get any from the author. I don;t even know who is it. But I don't lie. I read some interesting and useful information on this forum so I feel tha I too can write something useful. Guys, be careful when you send flowers! Most flower agency work with scammers or are scammers themselves! Now I know how scammers make money on flower. Aa I understood, the really good scammer will never seem like a scamer. Like that Yana. So sly girl! Wow! Alex Wise did a good job! Alex - is it a man or a woman name?