I must have lost my mind

[Greg]

It was winter and at the time we were engaged to be married. Her coat looked old and it didn't look like it would keep her very warm. I was originally from a very cold part of the country. I know how nice it is to have a warm coat.

[Greg]

I'm trying to find out what the those insults are and hope to have them soon from the agency.

[TheArrow]

Try to look for dictionary for PC "Lingvo 8.0" or "Lingvo 9.0". When you type a word there - it gives you ALL the meanings of it. It doesn't work like "Promt" - it just translates the words.

 

 

[Elen]

My post was not a translation af "strange manner" but and answer to your rhetorical question.

As for Lingvo then I do have it but just now I'm at my job with out any dictionary

[TheArrow]

Sorry, if I misunderstood you, Elen

[Elen]

Мне просто кажется, что бабы порой над ними просто издеваются, а эти все принимают за чистую монету и платят деньги за это к тому же. Мазохизм в чистом виде:? 

[Bruno]

Bruno,

No if she no longer wished to continue the relationship it is her decision. How odd it was done under such strange circumstances. I have never has contact with her in ay way since her requests and my turning them over to the agency. Is this the public insult? I think this is what she refers to. The insults? I have yet to know what they are. I haven't insulted her. This "friend" she refers to has nothing to do with any of this. I'm at a loss to explain why she refered to him. Evidence? sure I have lots of it. Common sense? I have that too. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened here. she rode the gravy train until the next stop was America. Then she found some lame excuse to hop off and run like hell.

Greg, when i have speak about evidence in my previous post, i speak about these of the woman... in the first post where you have past her letter, she say that she have evidence of your insult : Terrible things from you and your friend. Messages all are kept.

If Kevin have good make his investigation, he have certainly ask about these evidence... of maybe you have not send him a copy of these letter !!!

She explain that she have something against you... OK, she need to show it... And where is Kevin now... he have visit these forum today... why he don't reply... sorry, but the report he have make about his investigation is BS... what it is for a reply from agency : a joke too

 

[TheArrow]

Мне просто кажется, что бабы порой над ними просто издеваются, а эти все принимают за чистую монету и платят деньги за это к тому же. Мазохизм в чистом виде:? 

Так и я том же - проще на дейтинг-сайте зарегистрироваться и знакомиться без помощи агентств. Ан нет - с упорством идиотов прутся в агентства. Чтобы потом полоскать "грязное белье" на этом форуме.

I think they all like to be cheated and scammed. They have a fresh and news topic for this forum then. :?

[Bruno]

Так и я том же - проще на дейтинг-сайте зарегистрироваться и знакомиться без помощи агентств. Ан нет - с упорством идиотов прутся в агентства. Чтобы потом полоскать "грязное белье" на этом форуме.

Natalya, not everybody is able to meet without help of agency... by example, on my site, both the man and woman need to be enough adult for make a relation... we don't give any kind of support... in some way, we are only a newspaper with ads...

Some people need help of agency for search, meet, and marry a woman... like you, myself, i am againt marriage agency... if someone is not able to organize his own search and marriage, what can happend after when he is just married and when the agency dissappear... people relay to much own responsability to agency...

Now, about cleaning "dirty clothes"... i think that it is the right place, but again if people ask our help, they need give the full information, say the true... how advice can be good if we don"t know all...

 

[Photo Guy]

She explain that she have something against you... OK, she need to show it... And where is Kevin now... he have visit these forum today... why he don't reply... sorry, but the report he have make about his investigation is BS... what it is for a reply from agency : a joke too

Yes, that's how I would feel about the United Nations investigating
and policing itself. A joke. -Whenever any entity investigates itself.
Yeah, where is Kevin? It would be great to hear the agency's
inside view of this. I've spoken with Greg here in Phoenix. He comes across as ...'loving' this woman, who has broken his heart. My impression is that he has treated her well in general, not just with gifts. I say that because we have not heard her side of the story, but from my view, she does NOT look like a nice moral person. I wish he hadn't gotten in so deep with her, before she changed her mind. There could've been warning signs in the very beginning and Greg acknowledges that.

Scammer wrote:
'I am in hospital, to me allow to come home sometimes. - carrying out of medical examinations and treatments are necessary for me for restoration of my health of money-five thousand dollars.
The loving husband should care about health Тани which it and has damaged.
You are obliged to restore my health. It is your chance.
Tomorrow I should receive from you five thousand dollars. ONLY AFTER THAT we can speak
About all.
You know as to make it. Or you will continue to do monstrous mistakes in the life?'

Yikes!  That is allegedly a 'JOKE'.  ???
I am very familiar with jokes and this doesn't even pass as
'dry' humor. Kevin? What did he allegedly do to her to put her
in the hospital?     Doug

[TheArrow]

Так и я том же - проще на дейтинг-сайте зарегистрироваться и знакомиться без помощи агентств. Ан нет - с упорством идиотов прутся в агентства. Чтобы потом полоскать "грязное белье" на этом форуме.

Natalya, not everybody is able to meet without help of agency... by example, on my site, both the man and woman need to be enough adult for make a relation... we don't give any kind of support... in some way, we are only a newspaper with ads...

Some people need help of agency for search, meet, and marry a woman... like you, myself, i am againt marriage agency... if someone is not able to organize his own search and marriage, what can happend after when he is just married and when the agency dissappear... people relay to much own responsability to agency...

Now, about cleaning "dirty clothes"... i think that it is the right place, but again if people ask our help, they need give the full information, say the true... how advice can be good if we don"t know all...

 
[/quote]
Listen, let's think logically. A woman doesn't know English. So the Agency clerk translates her e-mails to a man. If a man likes her and wants to call her - how will they talk then. They will invite a translator. LMAO. And they will share their thoughts and plans with a translator. Where is the garanty the translator is the honest person?

Are all men kids? Don't they think about any difficulties they will have in the future? I remember, I have posted my opinion here about that subject. So I do not want to repeat myself, sorry.

[Photo Guy]

You're right (again).
I am still trying to get Larisa to communicate with me directly without the agency. She is controlled by them or working with them. I am still waiting for her postal letter with her phone number. I sent her a letter including my email address and encouraging her to use an internet cafe. Instead of the agency's rip-off phone/interpreter system, I'll
use my friend Oksana here in Phoenix.

Meanwhile my direct emails with the beautiful Siberian continues...
Oh God...this is not 'cheating'?            Doug

[Fiorella]

This is a lie. What would be the reason for her to say this to me? To get me to send her money? That was the result of her claims.

2.)yes his clients info was available to me. It's no secret.

3.)Most of the clients I refer too belong to other groups. some are no longer his clients yes.

What do you think - agency must fix all your problems? What if you even find a woman (what I doubt but who knows) and even marry, will you send letters to agency every time you have any conflict with your wife? It is a time to listen this woman I think.

[TheArrow]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

You're right (again).
I am still trying to get Larisa to communicate with me directly without the agency. She is controlled by them or working with them. I am still waiting for her postal letter with her phone number. I sent her a letter including my email address and encouraging her to use an internet cafe. Instead of the agency's rip-off phone/interpreter system, I'll
use my friend Oksana here in Phoenix.

Meanwhile my direct emails with the beautiful Siberian continues...
Oh God...this is not 'cheating'? Doug

Still no phone number? Hmmmmmmm..... One more thing to think about.

Doug, are you not able to look for a woman yourself? why do YOU use the help of Agency? You have any doubts about this Agency and your woman - but you are still trying to communicate to your woman directly without Agency!

Listen, I invite you to Moscow. I will acquaint you with one good woman. She speaks English, she is well-educated, she is pretty. Probably, her legs are shoter than Larisa's legs but she is a smart woman. What do you prefer - long legs or good inner traits? And I will do that WITHOUT ASKING MONEY coz I am not an Agency.

[BC]

What do you think - agency must fix all your problems? What if you even find a woman (what I doubt but who knows) and even marry, will you send letters to agency every time you have any conflict with your wife? It is a time to listen this woman I think.

One thing no one really likes is some third party having a 'say' about what is done or not in a relationship. Sort of like saying to your fiancee 'until we are married my mother will control money I send and see whether your requirements are justified'.

In this case agency was mother in law.

I don't think any fiancee in the world would go along with this situation, certainly would not be 'friends' with the mother in law, would think she was 'bad' and would finally say to hell with this fiasco, and the man along with it.

Does Greg's puzzle fit together this way?

[TheArrow]

Anyone who is trying to find a woman or man via agency will get the same or similar puzzle sooner or later.

[BC]

Arrow.. after what I've seen on boards the last 3 years you are likely right. Quite a few guys around here and elsewhere who seem to have had more 'luck' meeting their wives outside the agency loop.  In the end I think Bruno's no profit no frills concept will show greater success.

Maybe time for the ladies to pass the word around?

[TheArrow]

BC, I hope, you are not looking for a woman with a help of agency.

[Elen]

PhotoGuy

I am still trying to get Larisa to communicate with me directly without the agency. She is controlled by them or working with them. I am still waiting for her postal letter with her phone number. I sent her a letter including my email address and encouraging her to use an internet cafe. Instead of the agency's rip-off phone/interpreter system, I'll use my friend Oksana here in Phoenix.

 

http://09.org.ru/mariupol.php

If you have anything (real family name (Владелец) or street(Улица)- house(Дом) -flat(Квартира) where she lives you may try that site to get phone number. There is no garanted result but at least you can try

(if you click список улиц) you will get a list with names of Mariupol's streets

[Bruce]

I have seen it many times over the years and I will repeat it again:

I would not recommend that a guy goes to Kherson, Ukraine looking for a wife.  My reason has not changed - I read too often of guys getting disappointed when they deal with girls from that city.  Does that mean if a guy goes wife hunting in Kherson he will get scammed, find nobody etc. - heck no; there are great girls throughout the FSU.  All I know is that I have heavily read and contributed to some of the chat boards over the years and my gut feeling is only reinforced one more time by your unfortunate story Greg - Kherson is a snakepit best avoided by Westerners looking for a wife. 

It would be interesting to hear Kevin's explanation for your unfortunate experience.  In any event if I were you I would get back on your horse and again travel to the FSU, only this time go to Russia.

[Bruno]

Arrow.. after what I've seen on boards the last 3 years you are likely right. Quite a few guys around here and elsewhere who seem to have had more 'luck' meeting their wives outside the agency loop. In the end I think Bruno's no profit no frills concept will show greater success.

Maybe time for the ladies to pass the word around?

Yes, arrow have right... but about my success, i don't know... before, i have earn some little money from usual agency... when one of my customer use her service, i earn some %... now, they don't pay my 35%... since november, no one cent... actually, i don't care because i am alone... but when i will be married, i choice to use my money for good time with my wife and i go stop... OK, my expense are only 60 euro month, not a lot... but later, i wish use it for wife and child... the cost of my site will be a plane trip to Ukraine each year !!! Of course, some people have already propose me some donation but i cannot accept it... not accept money is my freedom...

Now, about agency, i have use one with Galina... but after some very bad translation, we have choice to stop with it... in the begin , she have write in russian followed but russian text... with several online translator ( no one is good ), i was able do understand her enough...

Now, for all guys here, a big advice, use russian meeting site... i remember one named 1x1 ( sorry, don't remember the URL and my HD is dead in the begin of these month )... usually, only russian woman and man post on these site... i have not find a wife but a lot of friend... search a russian "friend finder"... almost no scammer, only woman who search a partner... normally russian one but you have your chance too... I agree that htese woman have not think to marry a foreign man but if you can charm them, it is the jackpot... if she choose you, it is because she like really you and not for a visa or for go outside russia or ukraine...

And specially for arrow, several man are like kids... only after know problem, they read advice, consult forum... when it it too late... i see it with my site... i have advice section ( both russian and english )... i have only around 70 unique IP day... but people who read advice are only around 9 buy month... but sorry for woman, it is the same, only after problem, they ask help and advice...

And to be honest, i was the same for my first marriage with russian woman... she was not perfect but i was not ready... now i have learn but i have loose 5 year of my life and a child that i have love a lot... i laught when people speak about some $$$... money is nothing when compare to hearth problem... same the case here is almost nothing... he have a lot of chance that all is finish before the K1 and marriage... imagine the same story after some year...

 

[Greg]

Fiorella,

Of course I do not think this woman is a slave to anybody. What you do not seem to understand is this many American men would be happy to be able to find date and marry FSU women. They have no idea how to go about doing it though. In this country the media has only now begun to give good press to marriage/dating agencies in overseas countries. In my country most people work very hard and long hours to become sucessful. As a result it is very difficult to find a good choice in a mate just walking down the street.  In America if there is a need to be filled and a buck to be made you can bet someone will figure out a way to do it. This had lead to the rise of many types of business's that serve as a way to meet date and possibly marry a future mate. The most sucessful of these companies screen there customers and try to weed out the bad apples. Foreign brides are just another option for us. It has been marketed in such a way to attract men by promoting some of the morals and charms of a woman from the FSU. No one i know of who is seriously looking for a mate is looking for a slave.

[BC]

BC, I hope, you are not looking for a woman with a help of agency.

No Arrow.. I am well into the 3rd year happily married with my RU wife. No agencies, no writing and no intentions when we met.

Bruno, there is nothing wrong with donations for honest intentions.  I have seen quite a few sites (not RW related) go from free to donations then to pay then crash. If more is generated through donations than is needed, funds can go to good causes. Bez problem. Good topic for another thread though..

For some wierd reason my mind tells me Greg may have had a good chance with this woman but it was ruined by his 'need for speed' leading to a reliance on others to be 'the man' in his place.

Greg, sorry to say but the more I look at your situation it seems you really wanted a 'mail order bride' and got exactly what you paid for.

[Photo Guy]

Natalya,
When I started this search back in November, I did not know
how to do it. I surfed the net. I found the big three AGENCIES,
and other agencies. I saw all of those exciting photos and profiles.
It was easy to fall into these agencies. Now I know better, but I still
do not know the best approach for doing this search. I guess I would
concentrate on finding women who can write or speak some English,
and then use email - directly or an internet cafe. I would definitely do
what I can to avoid the control of big agencies.

Your invitiation to Moscow is ...greatly appreciated!  
Personal introductions are also a good alternative, but how many people do I
know in the FSU?  Larisa says she has mailed me her phone number.
I must wait. I must see how it goes with her in Kiev. If it fades away,
you'll see me in Moscow and/or elsewhere in the Fall.   Doug

[Fiorella]

[user=117]BC[/user][user=117] wrote:

For some wierd reason my mind tells me Greg may have had a good chance with this woman but it was ruined by his 'need for speed' leading to a reliance on others to be 'the man' in his place.

Greg, sorry to say but the more I look at your situation it seems you really wanted a 'mail order bride' and got exactly what you paid for.

[/user]Excellent thought!

This story is one more confirmation of the fact of why marriage agencies are senn so suspicious and usually avoided by decent women and we have read that many of them have troubles to get women for their database.

1) Do you know about new service for russian women that offer these agencies? They offer TO PAY TO WOMEN FOR EACH REPLAY TO MEN'S LETTER.  And PAY FOR EVERY NEW WOMAN THAT THEY WILL BRING AS A MEMBER TO AGENCY. How many these women are interested in creating serious relationships?

2) These agencies use to sell personal info including home address of these women without even notify them. As wrote one of girls on our forum - one such "american groom" came directly to her door - she even didn't know about his existent - he has bought her address an an agency.

3) After all this hystery nobody trust anybody. So, the correspondance privacy is totally destroyed. Men bring intime letters to forums for analyze them in public. You can see it in all men's forums.  Women or often, agency that writes letter from her side, not show themselves but that "attractive image" what men expect. Agencies force women do photos as agency want, write letters as agency sais, and so on.

All that reasons lead us to the point that these agencies can get only desperate, low educated, women from poor parts of FSU who look for marriage or financial support but not a man-life partner.  All this is very sad as in reality a woman cannot have her own choice, she will meet in person only these who chosed her and often take the first proposal she get because she are afraid not get anything again.