How to juggle the WMVM (Write many visit Many)

[Durk]

      Well lets see, seven pages on this topic... hmmmm. As a new
guy( notice I did not say newbie) I would never go to see one gal
unless we both were serious. I find this whole thread somewhat out
in left field. I guess everyone here dated only one gal through HS
and College. I am talking to I/O really.
       None of the other women that you knew never felt a bit funny
around you or were upset because you were not dating them.
       They did not talk about you to other girls Yeh right!
       I would never mislead any of my FSU gals that I meet. Things
have a way of getting around town if you know what I mean.
       If they cannot handle the truth I would move on.
     Hey JB does anyone here have more than 8 yrs.?
      I/O please remember to order more grins

[jb]

     Hey JB does anyone here have more than 8 yrs.?

Actually, I don't know... I think KenC is currently the longest term relationship around, 8+ years in the making,,,, I think I've the second oldest marriage with 5 years hitched and two + years courting, for a total of 7 years together...

But who cares, none of us know anything anyway.

[Turboguy]

T/G,

Stop BS'ing everyone, you did not "happen to find",,, you sought this out, it took you ten years to "Happen To Find" this situation.  Why do you continue to think we believe you *suddenly got lucky*.  You've been chasing young skirts since you found out about the FSU.

To borrow a line from someone else who makes good posts.

Tom Hanks in Castaway: You never know what the tide may bring in.
Viking: But you still need to walk along the beach to find it.

jb, I have not heard anyone question you knowing anything.  I have heard people question the way you present what you know.

Nice posts Ken, Legal, Durk & Jinx   There are lots and lots of people who offer good, helpful advice and I see very little bad advice from anyone.

[I/O]

JB, Ken and probably a host of others who have far greater experience than I have now and possibly will ever have. 

Couple of points to take up here.  There is a collection of fairly smart minds around these parts and there is amoungst those, a few that see things far too much in B&W.  Notwithstanding, I for one have learned a lot from all of you in a short time but and here is the but.....just remember the way you put it across to some of the newer guys can have a more lasting impression than the content of what you are trying to put across.

The married guys here have a ton of experience and in this case I suspect relevant skills pertaining to the maintenance of a marriage, but never never assume that experience equates to wisdom.   It is also easy to forget exactly how you were thinking in the courtship days.  Hmmm white flag stuff here, I did and have had to sober a lot of my thinking as memories of certain outcomes from many years ago came back in a rush.

To the writer who decided to get personal about how many I did or didn't date in high school / college, read JB's advice.  Don't display your ignorance by speaking of something you know nothing whatsoever about.  For the record, you are about as far off track as is possible. (leapords do sometimes change their spots) 

I/O

[jb]

I/O, I don't question your past experience with women.  You may know lots about the local ladies, but you know nothing about living long term with a RW.

I do, however, and will always question your understanding that you will have to be a "100% PERFECT" husband for the first year or two. You are just too casual about this stuff. Do you not understand that?  It's going to take 500% of your very best efforts to bring this to a successful end after she arrives.  If you haven't figured out what I've been trying to tell you, then don't bother to bring her over.  The first year she's here will be there hardest year of your life.  Maybe the second year will get easier,,,but don't count on it.

[I/O]

I/O, I don't question your past experience with women.  You may know lots about the local ladies, but you know nothing about living long term with a RW.   You are just too casual about this stuff. ..The first year she's here will be there hardest year of your life.  Maybe the second year will get easier,,,but don't count on it.

JB Right on with your first point and this is exactly why anyone with at least an IQ of +40 will do as much homework as possible prior, which in and of itself is no garrentee, but it may and I stress may lesson the risk of a crash and burn. Hence I am here and doing other research as best I can from this vast distance.

Maybe we Aussies have a reputation for being fairly casual and perhaps that comes across in my postings.  Pity, because it is a long way wide of reality on both counts.  I try to bring a lighter side into some aspects of it in order to remind others that there is actually and enjoyable side to all of this.  I don't, never have and never will discount the stickability it will take or has taken for those of you who have survived thus far.

Previous local experience is relevant in one facet, that is, the tribulations which existed at courtship stage multiplied 10 fold and then some after marriage.  It has been an incredibly tough road for mine and I thus far and we can't hope to know just how tough it will get when she is ultimately here, but we can and, believe me, are puting as much into preparation as is possible and then some.  I think you are even being a tad soft by hinting that it might get easier during the second year.

Stars belong in the skys not the eyes.  (Opps got kicked out of a forum for saying that)

I/O

[Jumper]

off topic (but arnt i often?) sorry dan  

So, while perhaps by choosing to go to Russian, or Ukraine certainly may impact one's destiny, chance and the TOA (natural flow of things) rules the day ... it is the role of the dice, the flip of the coin.

ricardo!!!! -
 grasshopper you have caught the fly with the chopstiks!

but hey you must flip the coin right??
it wont jump out of your pocket on its own..

( well unless you're flying on a domestic flight in the FSU on one of those twin props from 1940's vintage..then al lyour changw will be everywhere ,,but a nice flight attendent might land in your lap as well  , butterfly effect ? )

also the more coins you flip.. your odds go up a bit that one of them will land the way that you had hoped??

not trying tro interupt the general bickering going on here  any.. LOL

but the single biggest thing i think this venture does for many guys? gets them interested in something, anything,
enough to get off the couch..and out of thier routine.

off the couch , out of thier routine and normal circles-
 means meeting more people (flipping more coins?)

to be brutally honest..
Many  of the guys ive seen come and go posting over the years,
 put the same effort into simply getting out and about , involved in thier communitries in any number of local activities..
or even traveling in general..
that they do into researching, debating, writing emails, planning visits.. to RW..etc,
they would have already meet someone.somewhere,
its human nature afterall...??


on topic
as fars as how to juggle a WMVM trip..
thats delicate ,but its been done quite successfully

the actual *how too's*?
would actually be quite different !!
depending on the personaklities of the RW involved and WHAT was already laid down in the initial groundwork..

IF you are going to do WMVM..
then have a groundwork and frame wiork layed out already.
at least in your mind..

use:
1. some common sense!!
(say what you NEED  to say , leave anything else unstated )
2. some cleverness ,
( you surely can come up with SOMETHIING decent to get you thru the tricky spots?
any RW worth her salt is going to know your full of BS anyway..
but she just MIGHT expect you to be clever enough to be a little polished an smooth about it..)
and last resort
3. be at least a bit charming ..
(any RW seriuosly interested in you,, for YOU, or even for
her own personal GAIN will let you off the hook with any little bit of charm on your part..)

If that dont get you by, then your SOL anyway

and truth is,,
if you are sweating it too much ..
dont go that route!(WMVM)
as sweating how hot the pan is , before you even get tossed into
it , is a sign WMVM isnt for you.
you are not the kind of person to pull it off well..

you'd feel more comfiortable, and be better off, using other styles or plans

(i'm a big arse help right? ) LOL




 

[jb]

AJ,  we are still brothers, right?

[hornet7]

Damn, fellas. You sound like a bunch of old married guys arguing over which end of the toothpaste tube is getting squeezed each morning or who left the toilet seat up.  I'm a "new guy" and I'm operating in the "starting out" section where I should be, so I don't feel the least bit inept.  Like everything else I've done in my life, I didn't know either until the first time...

Many of you are the same men that posted in "first impressions" [of your first trip] I reviewed again tonight and I'd invite some of those same men to read that thread again as it is priceless--especially to guys like me that are about to make their first combat tour.  Whatever was motivating you in those posts was rich and I was struck by the tone of it all...

And all this measuring each other's #@!&'s is comical.  I don't care which of you is the most or the longest or the best or the smartest, I just want to learn from the collective wisdom of all of you and I'm smart enough to know that I don't know it all, but I've got a valuable opportunity to gain a great deal more insight here prior to my departure.  I opened the thread seeking some of the realities of WMVM----to little avail.

Let me add one more salient point to this most etifying conversation, I've been chasing women since I was twelve and I'm self actualized enough to admit that I don't know any more about it now at 43 than I did when I got started.  But I've got a clear conscience--well, as clear as any man can have over the age of twelve.

Finally, I couldn't help but wonder while I read this "thread gone south" what a bright, smart, independent and self-confident russian woman---that none of us knew, but all wanted to one day meet---who was thinking about seeking a western man as some of her friends have done might think if she quietly read what has been written in this whole thread... let's ask ourselves if we'd be proud of what she saw...

[LEGAL]

JB,
 I am not your mommie but do go to bed. Please.
OLGA.

[jinx13]

 jb, I'm not even going to comment on your rediculous words, I'm not trying to pick a fight, honest to God. Your behavior is stranger than usual, I was just wondering if everythings ok, thats all.

[Darth Vader]

jb, I'm not even going to comment on your rediculous words, I'm not trying to pick a fight, honest to God. Your behavior is stranger than usual, I was just wondering if everythings ok, thats all.

Christ!  This thread has moved from the question about the merits of WMVM to the question of whom newbies should listen to...men who have succeeded in marrying RW or those in the search...

What do you think?

Well, I've been married to a RW for two years.  As posted earlier, I at first failed using a write one visit one approach.  No board warned me about this, and I made my mistakes....but eventually succeeded when I expanded my options.

For those newbies reading this, you can ignore my advice and the advice of the JBs, the KenCs and other pros.  Go ahead and write one woman and visit her.  All you will lose is time and money.  You'll gain experience, and will in a few years be posting here with the majority that say you need to expand your options when you make a trip to the FSU...

[Kuna]

Christ!  This thread has moved from the question about the merits of WMVM to the question of whom newbies should listen to...men who have succeeded in marrying RW or those in the search...

What do you think?

Well, I've been married to a RW for two years.  As posted earlier, I at first failed using a write one visit one approach.  No board warned me about this, and I made my mistakes....but eventually succeeded when I expanded my options.

For those newbies reading this, you can ignore my advice and the advice of the JBs, the KenCs and other pros.  Go ahead and write one woman and visit her.  All you will lose is time and money.  You'll gain experience, and will in a few years be posting here with the majority that say you need to expand your options when you make a trip to the FSU...

Hallelujah!

For a moment I was starting to believe WMVM was a mistake!   

I've still got my 3 "favourite" friends AND enough time to implement my backup plan if needed...  13 days to go!

Kuna

[CaptB]

I/O,

You stated your back-up plan was a bust (waste of time?). You could have spent (in hindsight) the rest of your trip with a woman who was a nice person (friend)......but who you knew was not a "match". If your plan was to find a "partner".....then I think using your back-up plan was the right thing to do. Yes.....you may have enjoyed your time more.....with the first woman (sightseeing etc.)........but then you might have made another trip (for nothing) to visit one or more of your RW in your back-up plan.......on another (wasted?) trip.
Maybe another unsuccessful trip......and you might not have met your wonderful fiancee.


Jinx,

I learned alot...........from my divorce from an AW. If you can learn from a divorce (many folks don't .......of course)........by all means it will help you in future relationships. Because of what I learned about women in general.......dating was even more enjoyable after my divorce. In hindsight.......even though I had vast dating experience prior to my first marriage.........I now see I was in some ways "clueless" about many things regarding women (well......you will "never" be totally "clued in"........when it comes to women). So I would say my "after divorce" dating experience accounts for at least something. All that
said...............jb is right..............being married to an RW..."IS"......different in some aspects.
I won't go into details unless I answer as an "anonomous" poster I don't want the RW from Russian Valhalla........raing down on me. Small town RW, Big city RW, less educated....or highly educated...........there are unique ways (product of culture) in which (most.....but of course not all) RW relate to various situations in life. The guys here who have been married for awhile know what I am talking about. Superstitions....reactions to disappointment.....jealously......entitlement.......a different way of viewing things (negative and possitive). There are some differences. It is a different culture......so no surprise.


Kuna,

Glad to see you are making a trip shortly. Keep it serious................seriously fun that is.


Capt B

[Kuna]

Kuna,

Glad to see you are making a trip shortly. Keep it serious................seriously fun that is.

Aye aye my Captain!  Indeed I will!

[I/O]

I/O You stated your back-up plan was a bust (waste of time?). You could have spent (in hindsight) the rest of your trip with a woman who was a nice person (friend)......but who you knew was not a "match". If your plan was to find a "partner".....then I think using your back-up plan was the right thing to do. Yes.....you may have enjoyed your time more.....with the first woman (sightseeing etc.)........but then you might have made another trip (for nothing) to visit one or more of your RW in your back-up plan.......on another (wasted?) trip.
Maybe another unsuccessful trip......and you might not have met your wonderful fiancee.

C/B Waste of time was probably a poor choice of words on my part as is often the case.  Your point is quite possibly true and I won't argue that my ideas are any sure fire way to get the job done so to say.  I have verbosed in this thread far too much, but I want very much for the newer ones to see that there is more than one way to do things.

Back on topic, I think KenC in this or another thread threw up the best suggestion I have seen.  That is, at least for a first trip, perhaps plan more of a vacation, front loaded with meeting/s and if meetings or matches go base over apex, nothing lost and everything to gain.  Heck you might end up having the best vacation of your life with the best company you could never plan to have.

I/O

[KenC]

Hallelujah!

For a moment I was starting to believe WMVM was a mistake!   

I've still got my 3 "favourite" friends AND enough time to implement my backup plan if needed...  13 days to go!

Kuna

Kuna,
I will give you one more good reason why you shouldn't visit just one RW..........because you don't have to!  Your situation is a bit tricky, I admit because if these 3 girls you were meeting were from an agency, then they would automatically assume you were meeting others.

I really wish Jack Bragg would have picked up this thread because he has this down to a science. (meeting multiple women)  Although I think if we added one more strong personality to this thread, it would explode!  You might try to PM him for all the details.  I do remember him saying that you never ever tell a RW that you are meeting others, but that you want to meet another woman that you have gotten to know through the Net while you were in the country.  You should never lie, but you are not commanded to tell the whole truth either.  The less details offered, the better.  And you only cross that bridge if necessary. 

I still think that we make a bigger deal out of this, than the RW do.  The women you contacted were trolling for a man in some form or another, just as you were trolling for women.  They are not stupid and know that they are one of many to snag your hook.  There is a fine line between making a woman feel special or making her feel exclusive.  Unless you have some how misled each of them that you are coming to see only them, I think you will be fine.  And never forget that the RW have probably been juggling a few foreign men too!  None of them will like the fact that you will see another woman while there, but most will accept it.

Up thread O/S asked 3 women in Russia if they would see a man if he met another and they all said "no."  What else would they say?  As I said, none will like it, but most will accept it.  Good luck and PM Jack.
KenC

[Kuna]

Ken,

I will PM Jack...  It's a good tip.  Cheers!

I did tell one girl that I was meeting others and she was upset that I am "spending more time with the others and therefore I would have more time to develop a bond with them".

I have explained to her that this trip is for me to come and meet different girls and to become familiar with Kiev.  If I have a mutual bond with any girl and we want to pursue something more serious then I will be returning in July for 1 month.

With the other two, they have not asked if I'm meeting others and I haven't mentioned it.  They've both asked for my arrival and departure dates and I think they've tried to work out if I'm meeting others, but they haven't asked.

Early in our correspondence I told them I was coming to Ukraine to meet girls but the plural hasn't been raised since.

I've thought about my response if it comes up and so far I've decided to say:

"Of course I've meet a few girls while I was here.  I am serious about finding my future wife and it would be irresponsible to come so far and meet just one girl.  What if she didn't like me? The type of girl I want to marry wouldn't want to be with an irresponsible man."

I know it's probably not comforting but it's true.  It also doesn't leave many directions for the conversation to progress.  I hope if it does come up none of them would say they WOULD want me to be irresponsible. 

In closing,  I have told all the girls that at the moment we're "email friends".  I'm coming to meet them because I'm interested to get to know them better.  If we meet and don't see a future together I will wish them happiness in the future, and I hope they'll wish me happiness too.

I feel like I've been honest with them but without a doubt the most difficult thing has been scheduling the trip.  I'll be visiting 2 cities while in Ukraine and spending time with all 3 girls in Kyiv.  It's a busy trip but I hope it'll be rewarding. 

Kuna

[viking]

Ken, you raise a good point about Jack. Rather than debate between the visit one or visit many, maybe there is a new thread about having some specific guidelines if you are doing the VM trip. For example you are with lady A, your phone rings and its lady B confirming a meeting. How do you handle this? Or lady C and lady B both want to meet at the same time. What do you say to the one who will not be meeting with you? Your 'busy'? Not going to work. Or you are at a cafe with C and A just happens to walk by and see you. Ouch!! I think there are some very good responses available imbedded in any number of posts here, but not realy down to a point where one can actually 'study' them and be prepared when a situation occurs. Nothing worse than standing there saying to yourself, "ok, now what, punt formation"?  Again, nothing etched in stone as many situations will unwrap differently, but some 'what ifs'. Even those who are fast on their feet in coming up with a safe way out would find this useful.

[Kuna]

Excellent idea Viking!

I'd be very interested to read everyone's ideas on this.  I think the ability "think on your feet" will be the most important thing, but it'd be interesting to talk through the different suggestions and approaches.

Kuna

[KenC]

Kuna,
When I was in Russia meeting the ladies, I was more uncomfortable about meeting multiple women than they were.  I did deal with an agency (LTP) and the girls knew the drill, I guess.  I had just lightly communicated with a number of women before going (except for my now wife), so we had not really bonded or anything.  But the girls were very casual about me meeting many.

On one of the days I spent in the agency's office, I had meetings/introductions with about 5 women.  One after another.  Nothing deep, just some chit chat and getting acquainted talk for maybe a half an hour to an hour.  Some very nice and sincere women.  At the end of the day, I had a dinner scheduled with another woman I had met earlier (not my now wife).  Well, my last "meeting" kind of went over time with a stunning young lady that made no bones about her interest in me.  When we all left the side room from our introduction, she was still giving me her best shot as we entered the main office.  Yikes, there sat my date for dinner.  (To date, the only RW that has ever been on time!)  I was very uncomfortable with the situation but the two girls handled it like it was no big deal.  In fact the first girl was approached by another AM and asked if she was free to go to dinner with him.  (I met this guy before and he was having zero luck with the ladies and he was now down to grasping at straws)

As luck would have it, the stunner and her dinner date ended up at the same restaurant as me and my date.  So picture this: I am sitting across from my date and the interpreter is sitting next to her.  The woman I am with is pouring her heart and soul out to me, trying to use every womanly charm to interest me in developing a relationship.  Mean while, through my side vision, I can see the stunner paying more attention to my table than her dinner date.  (Poor guy)  Then the dance heats up.  The stunner proceeds to make multiple trips to powder her nose there by passing out table in order to flirt with me behind the backs of the terp and my date.  Smiling, winking and even making the hand gesture for me to call her!!!!  I'm telling you things can be a little crazy in Russia!! :hairraising: :hairraising: :hairraising:
KenC

[Vaughn]

Somehow I believe that coming up with great excuses to account for one's own sudden absence reveals evasive skills to the woman he's with - they're not dummies.

 

For example you are with lady A, your phone rings and its lady B confirming a meeting. How do you handle this?

Keep your phone turned off while with lady A? I brought over a few goodies to Russia for a guy I used to know real well - he was deceiving himself into believing that Masha was still crazy about him in the midst of a K-1 that was imploding even before the interview. She showed up for the booty, and during the 3 minutes she
was face-to-face with me, here goes her cell phone. A polite "excuse me" and she fielded the call, whispering quickly and quietly. "My girlfriend!" she explained. Funny, what I heard was a male voice, angrily asking her in perfect Russian, "Hey, where the hell ARE you?" People aren't stupid. Nothing short of an obvious injury requiring immediate medical attention is going to convince the average lady that you're not hooking up with another. And what's so bad about that anyway? True, it's not what I did, but many have - and lost no great prize for the impropriety, if you will.

One example: a great friend of mine in Florida, on his third visit to the FSU had six ladies lined up to meet - all in the same town. One found out about the others and politely declined to meet him - she didn't want to partake in the chorus line. OK.
After realizing the other five and he had no future, he called No. 6 who agreed to meet him anyway. Perhaps she changed her mind because he'd already seen all the others, perhaps it was resignation - or maybe, just maybe, she wanted to be the last one he'd meet and the decline was by design. They're married four years now and have a beautiful little daughter Sasha.

Few logical RWs will buy the excuses - they know you're shopping around. And if you're truly worth their serious consideration, they'll likely accept the fact that you're a normal red-blooded male, American, Aussie, or Antarctican. The secrecy, dodging hard questions, and bumbling deception insults their intelligence.

[viking]

Vaughn

I am not into secrecy or deception. And I am average on dodging hard questions. I have made 3 trips so far and still feel I am in 'learning the ropes' stage. For sure, I have made mistakes, big ones at that, but this is where one learns what not to do the next time. Sometimes failures are the best learning experience. When it comes to dating AW's I am on my home turf and can plan things to occur when I want, for the most part. But I know when you are over there, things can go awry, and at the worst possible moment. Also, there are the cultural aspects where I have found myself saying something that was interpreted totally differently and then back tracking trying to explain what I really meant.

In your example of just turning off the phone, well duh, yeah that will work. But over there, when you are expecting a call and the lady is expecting to find you and there is no way to leave a message (at least on my cell) how do you excuse yourself politely and make for a small conversation? Is the woman making the call going to feel insulted that she could not get through? Or is it no big deal? Of course one could always step back a few paces, make it short and then not bring up the call and just move forward. But as you said, they are intelligent, thank goodness, and have a good feel of what is happening. So...some pointers from those who have been there before are appreciated. Also, bear in mind that some of this I am familiar with but I am also speaking to those who are not.

[jinx13]

Back on topic, I think KenC in this or another thread threw up the best suggestion I have seen.  That is, at least for a first trip, perhaps plan more of a vacation, front loaded with meeting/s and if meetings or matches go base over apex, nothing lost and everything to gain.  Heck you might end up having the best vacation of your life with the best company you could never plan to have.

 This is exactly what I did on my last trip over, and it was by far the best one yet. I planned a 3 1/2 week vacation in Ukraine and Russia, but also set up some meetings using Lucky lovers. No agencies, no pressure, I met some great girls and had the best time. I made one romantic connection, but all the rest were great to meet, and I made some very good friends too.

 I was so much more relaxed on that trip, I'm sure it  had something to do with my prior experience in Russia, but it was also because I didn't set high expectations like I had done before. My first couple of trips were for one girl, and the pressure I put on myself (and her) were part of why it failed. I just didn't feel like myself, I wasn't comfortable. It also helped that ALL the girls I met on my last trip were excellent English speakers, it's so nice when you can make your dumb jokes, and they get it! Well, not all of them, but most anyway    In my relaxed state, the girls I met got to see the real me, not the insecure, frustrated guy that was trying too hard my first couple of trips. I highly reccomend this type of trip, if all else fails, at least you had a great vacation.

[Kuna]

Ken,  CLASSIC story!!!  Love it!   


Vaughn,

I can understand exactly what you're saying but my situation is "perhaps" a little different from most guys that might WMVM.  I decided to cast a net across the whole of Ukraine.  I was prepared to travel to perhaps 3 different cities and to meet multiple girls in each city.

As it turned out 3 girls stood out from all others.  I'll spend a few days with one from Kiev (in Kiev).  This includes her birthday which I'm sure will be a pleasant time.

One day break to collect my thoughts (and to add an appropriate "buffer") before my friend from Dnepropetrovsk arrives in Kiev.  When we were arranging things I suggested a 2 bedroom apartment would be better than 2 x 1 bedroom apartments but she said a 2 room apartment would be a waste of money and it would be better to share a 1 room apartment.  I'm starting to feel like a little vulnerable!  :zappedhim:

Two days break to collect my thoughts, add some buffer and maybe do some "speed dating" using a local agency in Kiev if the mood takes me.. but then I'm off to Cherkassy for the weekend where I'll meet another of my favourite girls.  I'm in a hotel there... she's with her family... but we'll visit her family and friends while there (if "appropriate").

After Cherkassy my friend and I will return to Kiev for a week and after she returns home I have a few more days to collect thoughts, and if necessary do some speed dating "agency style".

Finally, I have some flexibility on my return flights so I might return to Dnepropetrovsk, stay in Kiev to spend more time with someone there or even return to Riga where I fear I haven't budgeted enough time.

I think the good thing is that I've made no promises to the girls other than meeting.  If I click with one it's ideal.  If I click with more than one it'll be "troubling" but things could be worse.

Another complicating factor (overall) is that an ex at home has recently crossed my path again and I'll admit she was "the one that got away".  I saw her the other night and I'm sorely tempted to see what the potential of that could have been... AND I've recently met a girl through a female friend who is as stunning as any RW/UW and shares a lot of my interests.  We "bonded" recently but I fear she might be too young for me and I'm not prepared to waste more of my time on "young fun stuff"...  I'm genuinely looking for something significant.

So I guess the difference with my WMVM is that I'm not having consecutive coffee dates with girls I've been writing to... I'm having consecutive holidays. I've done nothing to suggest exclusivity and I don't even expect them to be exclusively writing to me.  Hell, they may be dating at home and I'd never know it...  My trip is all about "feeling the Ukrainian culture", meeting the girls, getting to understand them in some depth and arranging a return trip for 1 month in June/July.

I don't know how the TR will go... but I'm sure it'll be busy!

Kuna