Big City Women vs. Village Girls

[LEGAL]

Ken! Soapbox now theres the pot calling the kettle black!

Ken states
 I found Olga's post to be of a mocking tone and meant to belittle our conversations here and that does not promote an open discussion here.   Yes Ken it most certainly does this is a discussion forum its not just Kens forum. Ken's statement Ironically, it makes small of our opinions and curtails free and open discussion here, which is exactly what you are accusing me of.
I would never curtail or make small of ones opinion, sometimes a different view a Russian woman's view is important to newbies so they do not make mistake as I have seen on this board.

Something you might consider is that the Russia Olga knows so well, may not be the same one we AM visit on our trips too.  Kenn again this is why Olga's in put is important so these guys have at least one Russian woman's view. I would love to have some other Russian women post here.From what is written here, I get the impression that Olga was involved in some very high profile Arts & Theater projects, and the women we visit might not be from that social circle. Ken please so what your are saying is as a Russian woman the input Olga has  is of no use here.The opinions of men that have traveled to Russia and report their impressions here, should not be ridiculed and are a valid source of information for other men.  Olga's opinion too is valid but it is not omnipotent.
Ken maybe if Someone brought these type's of view one of our recent members wouldn't be going through the hell the poor guy is going through. Ken I would love to do this in front of a jury, win is what I would do

This is nothing to get so worked up over for sure.  BTW, it is very confusing to me to understand who is posting between you (legal) and Olga.  Have you ever thought about having separate accounts?
KenC

Kenn I am not worked up, everyones friend
LEGAL

[KenC]

Legal,
Win what?  There is nothing to "win" here.  There is your opinion and then there is mine.  We are both entitled to them.  Period.  You and Olga are being a bit ridiculous here (IN MY OPINION)  I made an observation regarding Olga's original post (ANOTHER OPINION) that the two of you obviously got all twisted over bringing up  being a woman, freedom of speech, male ego or diseased male pride. Ridiculous, just ridiculous.
KenC

[Momus]

Momus, I hope it all works out with your lady and you don't have to seek a lady from a "lesser" locale...  But my friend, it's all in your mind.  Better girls do NOT hail from certain cities.  It's the girl man, not where she is from.

I don't think I classified the provinces as "lesser." I do, however, think the provinces are more, uh, provincial. Likewise, I did not classify women from Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kiev, etc., as "better." I do think that, all else being equal, they are likely to be more sophisticated by virtue of the experience, exposure, and opportunity afforded by life in a world-class city.

It seems to me there is a lot of knee-jerking going on in this thread. Sophistication is not the same as quality, character, worthiness, or anything else. It's just sophistication. This trait obviously isn't important to some people -- and seems to be one strike against for some. That's fine. It's one of many qualities that appeals to me, but I certainly don't expect everyone to share my preferences.

Oh, and Olga...I think it's perfectly natural for men to boast about their wives and girlfriends, just as it's natural for parents to brag about their children. It's good that we're proud of them, their qualities, and their accomplishments, and it's not at all the same as comparing toys.

In fact, if your husband doesn't brag about you, I might wonder why. 

[Turboguy]

Something you might consider is that the Russia Olga knows so well, may not be the same one we AM visit on our trips too.

I am getting very confused which is easy for me anyway.   Now we are going to different Russia's.  I knew there were two Carolinas and two Dakota's but I guess I have to dig out the geography book on this one.  The one I have been going to is sorta between Belarus and the Pacific ocean.   It might be interesting to post travel information for the other one.  Maybe some of the guys might like to try there.


From what is written here, I get the impression that Olga was involved in some very high profile Arts & Theater projects, and the women we visit might not be from that social circle.

That has me confused too.  I would think high profile arts and theater would make someone sophisticated.  That was what you said before.  Now you are saying that it makes their opinion valueless?   Help me out.  Are you saying sophisticated = stupid now or what did you mean Ken?

 The opinions of men that have traveled to Russia and report their impressions here, should not be ridiculed and are a valid source of information for other men.  Olga's opinion too is valid but it is not omnipotent.

I am confused here too.  I did not see where she said it was omnipotent

This is nothing to get so worked up over for sure.  BTW, it is very confusing to me to understand who is posting between you (legal) and Olga.  Have you ever thought about having separate accounts?

Now I know why I am confused.  It must be contagious.   I always thought that was yawning that was contagious.KenC

Don't take this too seriously Ken,  I am just having fun with it but I am glad Olga posted her opinion and I do agree that she knows more about Russia than we ever will.

Momus,   I agree with you.   It is one of many qualities.   It is a quality that for some is indespensable and for other is trivial or even undesirable in some cases.  Of course a lot of what I just said depends on how you define sophistication.

[LEGAL]

Olga!,
Calm down.  This is not an argument.  This is a discussion.  Don't make it into an altercation it was never meant to be.  I am not trying to silence you and you being a woman has absolutely NOTHING to do with this.  I took your post as to say "silly boys talking about silly subjects they know nothing about".  Is that correct?  And my response was to say "if you find it so silly, don't read it and please don't call us silly."  That's it, that's all.  Nothing about you being a woman, freedom of speech, male ego or diseased male pride.  GEEEZ.
KenC

OK, KenC,
I accept your apology not so masterly hidden in your words. I never use words that can hurt the dignity of a person. Please not change my phrase I use idioms and phraseological expressions.
For example:
Sometimes my words like a red rag to a bull  

Sincerely,
Olga.  

[KenC]

Turbo,
What is so confusing to me is that my original response to Olga's post was respectful and kind but expressed a concern for the tone projected in her post and now it is a matter of freedom of speech, women's rights and out of control; men's egos!  Legal and Olga never said her opinions were omnipotent, they just act as it is.
KenC

[KenC]

OK, KenC,
I accept your apology not so masterly hidden in your words. I never use words that can hurt the dignity of a person. Please not change my phrase I use idioms and phraseological expressions.
For example:
Sometimes my words like a red rag to a bull  

Sincerely,
Olga.  

Olga,
Some how we are not communicating well on this subject.  Whatever needs to be done to stop this silly non-debate, let's do it. (or I might shoot myself out of frustration).  It just isn't important enough to get angry over or even continue to discuss.

Now please help us out on the other village thread because we really don't know what the hell we are speaking of there.
Take care.
KenC
(and know that I AM a Taurus too! )

[Gator]

A couple of comments:

I was away and missed much of this thread.  So to catch up:

Olga - spasiba for the village photos.  Personally I am enamored by such and would love to spend a little time in one.  However, after 3 days I fear I would have enough.  Two days at a dacha in rainy weather  was my limit.  One time I endured Moscow for about 30 days before I went crazy. 

Texas Boar - I joined this thread so late that I failed to notice that you asked 5 questions.  You are an intelligent man - How would you answer your questions with respect to your goals?   My only comment is that small town girls do not not have email and villages perhaps no telephones.  The only English word they know is  "banana."  They do not know "restaurant" nor "passport" because they do not have such.

[LEGAL]

Olga,
Some how we are not communicating well on this subject.  Whatever needs to be done to stop this silly non-debate, let's do it. (or I might shoot myself out of frustration).  It just isn't important enough to get angry over or even continue to discuss.

Now please help us out on the other village thread because we really don't know what the hell we are speaking of there.
Take care.
KenC
(and know that I AM a Taurus too! )

The sides came to an agreement without  bloodshed. And now they will hold "scientific debate" in a friendly atmosphere      
Legal & Olga

[Jumper]

Gator -
Is this like comparing 
KАФE e'  PACTOPAH ?

which is better ?
or preferences?
 

depends on my mood!

some days a i like city girls other days.. village grlz
ohh wait!
Those days are long over LOL..

and isnt there that beatles song? that addresses this well?
and coulda have settled this thread long ago...?







 

[Michelangelo]

some days a i like city girls other days.. village grlz
ohh wait!
Those days are long over LOL..

and isnt there that beatles song? that addresses this well?

Or maybe the beach boys had it right.... "I wish they could all be California, wish they could all be California, I wish they all could be California girls!!!"

And I wish this silly strand would just die  ,

[TexasBoar]

Texas Boar - I joined this thread so late that I failed to notice that you asked 5 questions.  You are an intelligent man - How would you answer your questions with respect to your goals?   

Welcome, Gator! 

What fun the boys are having at my expense, lol.  I seem to have opened old wounds and/or disputes again . . . but some clarification has emerged; primarily, I note that there do not seem to be many small cities of the kind I'm used to in the FSU, and that "village" means something entirely different from what I intended both there and . . . here. 

With respect to my goals . . . hmmm.  As I recall, I asked people:

1. How much does the dating protocol itself differ?
2. In what ways do the women's expectations regarding men differ?
3. In what ways might the women's adjustments to life here differ?
4. Does place of residence automatically make a woman one or the other?
5. Does degree of seriousness tend to differ between the two?

I would say that I'm seeking a woman who prefers art galleries and antique shops to discos, small cafes and sushi bars to fancy five star restaurants (but knows how to act in either setting), enjoys books more than sports, likes small country inns more than glitzy hotels, would rather go for a walk along the beach than shopping at the mall (yeah, RIGHT!) . . . basically, simply someone who fits well into my life and interests but adds to both something unexpected; something I wouldn't have thought of without her.

*shrug*

I'm still clueless as to whether or not such a woman exists in the FSU.  I suspect such women exist everywhere (I've found more than a few here over the years, after all), so the question really becomes one of how and if to best seek her out there.

~Boar

[KenC]

I would say that I'm seeking a woman who prefers art galleries and antique shops to discos, small cafes and sushi bars to fancy five star restaurants (but knows how to act in either setting), enjoys books more than sports, likes small country inns more than glitzy hotels, would rather go for a walk along the beach than shopping at the mall (yeah, RIGHT!) . . . basically, simply someone who fits well into my life and interests but adds to both something unexpected; something I wouldn't have thought of without her.

*shrug*

I'm still clueless as to whether or not such a woman exists in the FSU.  I suspect such women exist everywhere (I've found more than a few here over the years, after all), so the question really becomes one of how and if to best seek her out there.

~Boar

TB,
Actually, with the qualifications you posted, I don't think that you would have a difficult time finding a match at all in the fsu.  RW tend to be much more cultural than AW and most are used to doing more cerebral activities that don't require a a lot of expense.  You just need to stay away from the golddiggers.
Kenc

[Gator]

Texas Boar,

Your desires:

I would say that I'm seeking a woman who prefers art galleries and antique shops to discos,

Stay away from the 20-somethings.   I dated over 20 RW/UW (age 26-46) and none were keen on discos.  The young ones had children and the older ones had matured to more cerebral pursuits.  Perhaps those into disco took one look at me and hit "delete".

Art galleries - most appreciate this, and a few understand it.  I dated a curator at the Hermitage and she knew her stuff -  I became the elementary student.

I am an avid collector of antiques, and not one RW has expressed an interest in this.  They do not understand it, and have had little exposure.  "Antique" to them means ancient Greek and Roman sights.  One presented me (I am writing Russian- English translation style and will probably say "repose" soon) some old Soviet coins. 

small cafes and sushi bars to fancy five star restaurants (but knows how to act in either setting),

No problem.  Sushi is probably the most popular dining venue, and the waitresses usually are Asian (from the Asian minorities prevalent in the FSU).  They know sushi, shashimi, etc. and you should be satisfied.  I never met a RW who wanted a steady diet of 5-star dining (they know it is unhealthy).

enjoys books more than sports, likes small country inns more than glitzy hotels, would rather go for a walk along the beach than shopping at the mall (yeah, RIGHT!) . . .

Books - Many are avid readers.  Some read hi-brow material on philosophy, politics.  Most read detective novels.
Small country inns - most will prefer this; you must find these places and demonstrate the pleasure they offer. 
Walk along the beach vs. shopping - They will happily do both, but not forgo one for the other.

[jb]

Boar,

I agree with everything Gator listed and would add only one item to the list.  My wife would consider it a special treat to hear live classical music.   Corpus has a decent symphony orchestra and does regular concerts at the downtown Catholic Cathedral because it prolly has the best acoustics of any building in town.

As far as sushi is concerned, every Russian woman I know, knows how to make fresh caviar, salty salmon, and saloteka (sp) a small herring like fish eaten mostly raw (pickled) and smothered in smetana.  My wife has also developed a taste for Ceviche.  Personally I like sushi for bait, I've caught some really big fish with it.

[CaptB]

Boar started to explain in his last post that his intent of (the word)....."village".....had a different meaning for him. Methinks his original title should have been:

                           "Big City vs Small/Medium-sized City Girls"

I have been to a few "villages" in Russia........and of course they are a completely different animal............than cities. Boar can correct me if I am wrong in his meaning.


Capt B

[catzenmouse]

would rather go for a walk along the beach than shopping at the mall (yeah, RIGHT!)

Just so you know they do exist Boar. Elena does not like shopping at all. It is a chore that has to be done sometimes.

Ken

[TexasBoar]

Just so you know they do exist Boar. Elena does not like shopping at all. It is a chore that has to be done sometimes.

Ken

Lucky bastige. 

My ex-wife was a bit that way---albeit for somewhat psychotic reasons---so it happens with AW, too . . . sometimes.  I just get a little unnerved by all the dressed-to-the-nines photos I see on the websites.  Here, that kind of thing just screams "high maintenance."

~Boar

[catzenmouse]

Scary as it may be, in our household I'm the high maintenance one! 

I truly believe that whatever you are looking for in a life partner you can find it in the FSU. Yes, you can probably find it on this side of the pond also but for me I just would not want to bother fighting through all the other BS that seems to go hand in hand with an AW anymore.

Ken

[Vaughn]

  I've always considered a Russian village to be populated by several hundred at best. Somewhere west of the border between the Mari-El Republic and the Republic of Novgorod stands a village where we stopped just to rest on our motor trip. Everyone seemed to be very young or very old - and being a midday Friday I presumed every able bodied man and woman were either commuting to Nizhni Novgorod jobs, or out in the fields toiling.

  Except for the main drag that led us there, I saw no paved roads. Old ladies in brightly colored ankle-length dresses and shawls led beasts of burden by yokes. Chickens ran around like they owned the place. These smaller villages are quickly dying according to my brother-in-law - they cannot sustain themselves under the new system. The folk there were generally shy yet curious, as much about Dima's new VW as seeing an American guy.

  Even the marriageable ladies and men of villages surrounding my wife's hometown commute daily, mostly by bus or marshrutnoe taxis whose routes touch the outskirts. Out there it was very possible for a woman to NOT have a telephone five years ago; with cellphones' boom that's all changed.

  Once we missed our Moscow to Yoshkar Ola train 'cause Delta rolled in late, so we boarded another train to nearby Cheboksary
and shared a compartment with a 30-ish couple from the sticks in Tatarstan. Get this - they barely could speak any Russian - only Tatar. We were able to communicate regardless - and the woman asked me what the hardest part about learning Russian was for an American. "The endings" I replied. She responded with a huge laugh, "Don't worry - I've been speaking Russian without endings for all my 35 years and everyone seems to understand me!"
Elvira was rolling on the floor, and later told me that my broken Russian was far better than this woman's - who'd a thunk that?
These two disembarked at the godawful hour of 4:30 AM out in the middle of nowhere - I peered out the window squinting and all I could see was darkness and snowfields. Try searching for your lady in that environment and I'll show you an insane optimist.

  I've also noticed that many villages that once spoke their own dialect are seeing that dialect slowly dying out. In Azanovo, a hamlet an hour away from our flat, I saw a most beautiful woman about whom I encouraged Turbo to check out. Azanovo's only store
in town employs an abacus and wooden box in lieu of a cash
register.

  A link I found to some worthwhile photos, although it's apparent to me that everyone's got their own definition of "village":

http://www.pbase.com/giorgi/village_life

[jb]

http://www.pbase.com/giorgi/village_life

This is high quality photography, I liked it a lot... But I didn't see any beautiful RWs in the whole lot.

Is it possible they all left for the big city?

[Vaughn]

There are a few RW's there, but in different galleries....

Dig around.

[Jet]

Just so you know they do exist Boar. Elena does not like shopping at all. It is a chore that has to be done sometimes.

Ken

One of the best *unexpected* fringe benefits of my married life, is that while Liliya likes to shop, she shops like a man. She can't be bothered with endless hours of window shopping. She goes, gets what she went for and returns - rarely a detour or extra stuff she didn't intend to pick up. 


As far as villages, when I think of "village" I think of this:

It is the village where my Father-in-law's dacha is. 25 houses and about half are full time residents, the rest are well to do townspeople's' dachas. It's about 4 miles through the woods, along the edge of the wheat fields, over the creek, and up the hill to the paved road; another 10 miles into Lil's small town of 65,000 people.

The family dacha, probably the second best home in the village after one further into the woods owned by a family friend and very well respected surgeon in town. These are the only two houses in the village that actually have garages.

[TexasBoar]

Boar,

I agree with everything Gator listed and would add only one item to the list.  My wife would consider it a special treat to hear live classical music.   Corpus has a decent symphony orchestra and does regular concerts at the downtown Catholic Cathedral because it prolly has the best acoustics of any building in town.

As far as sushi is concerned, every Russian woman I know, knows how to make fresh caviar, salty salmon, and saloteka (sp) a small herring like fish eaten mostly raw (pickled) and smothered in smetana.  My wife has also developed a taste for Ceviche.  Personally I like sushi for bait, I've caught some really big fish with it.

This is good info, and I thank you both.

I'm more into Robert Earl Keen's Texas Uprising and the Jazzfest at Heritage Park, but . . . in the right company, I suppose I might manage to stay awake through an evening of classical . . . lol. 

I do love live music, though.  And I make killer ceviche. 

~Boar

[Bruno]

This is high quality photography, I liked it a lot... But I didn't see any beautiful RWs in the whole lot.

Is it possible they all left for the big city?

I have know a village girl who was living in the village the week-end and staying in city ( in a appartment shared with other villages girls ) during the week... they simply work in city... She was a shop girl in a lingerie shop !!!

A bus line was existing between city and the village... but in case of rain, the bus stop a few kilometer before the village since the ground street cannot be used... due the big hole full of water...

The front of house are not in bad state... the main difference is that in Western country, a dog will welcome you but there, it is meat who welcome you... for some, it is kip... in my case, simply look at the photo1    beware, these beast beat like dog too 

At the side of the house, you can find the usual vegetable garden... like you can see on the photo2, the side of home is not so beautiful that the front... the metallic thing in the middle of the garden is simply the place where they pomp water... gaz and electricity was existing but only ground water...

About beautiful FSU village girls, difficult to judge since everybody have different taste... but take a look at the photo3, it is not so bad, i think... specially for a village woman over 33 year old...

And same if the village home seem ugly from the outside, FSU people are proud to make a cosy inside... take a look at the photo4... inside with all family... two brother, the mother, the village girl, and her father ( the orthodox cleric of the village )...

But now, the downside... i have date, i was fiance to these village girl and make a trip where i have almost marry her... but just before my coming, she have find a local man... she was maybe not a beauty queen, but a girl like her, you have one on hundred girls in the village... and you have numerous of young male from the village hunting girls... delay used in the dating process have allow her to meet a local man... and of course, she have choose the local one, not the foreign one... Village girls are maybe more nationalist and proud of own country that city one... if you find one, hurry or you will loose her... and of course, hurry is bad in international relation...

My point is that village girls can be beautiful, you can date them... but your add a bunch of problem in a already difficult process... the main problem here was a common language, not really interesed in foreign men but more seeking simply a men ( 33 yo and never married... women biologic clock )... If you have already problem with city girls, don't try village girls...