Big City Women vs. Village Girls

[Bruno]

A other extreme... a city girl from Belarus ( Minsk ) who have choose to life outside the city and have buy some ruim...

Water from ground, gaz in bottle, electricity from generator... nearest road around 1 km... high education, good job, a little more old that me... but it son of 22 yo was a problem in our relationship...

[coco]

I have know a village girl who was living in the village the week-end and staying in city ( in a appartment shared with other villages girls ) during the week... they simply work in city... She was a shop girl in a lingerie shop !!!

A bus line was existing between city and the village... but in case of rain, the bus stop a few kilometer before the village since the ground street cannot be used... due the big hole full of water...

The front of house are not in bad state... the main difference is that in Western country, a dog will welcome you but there, it is meat who welcome you... for some, it is kip... in my case, simply look at the photo1    beware, these beast beat like dog too 

At the side of the house, you can find the usual vegetable garden... like you can see on the photo2, the side of home is not so beautiful that the front... the metallic thing in the middle of the garden is simply the place where they pomp water... gaz and electricity was existing but only ground water...

About beautiful FSU village girls, difficult to judge since everybody have different taste... but take a look at the photo3, it is not so bad, i think... specially for a village woman over 33 year old...

And same if the village home seem ugly from the outside, FSU people are proud to make a cosy inside... take a look at the photo4... inside with all family... two brother, the mother, the village girl, and her father ( the orthodox cleric of the village )...

But now, the downside... i have date, i was fiance to these village girl and make a trip where i have almost marry her... but just before my coming, she have find a local man... she was maybe not a beauty queen, but a girl like her, you have one on hundred girls in the village... and you have numerous of young male from the village hunting girls... delay used in the dating process have allow her to meet a local man... and of course, she have choose the local one, not the foreign one... Village girls are maybe more nationalist and proud of own country that city one... if you find one, hurry or you will loose her... and of course, hurry is bad in international relation...

My point is that village girls can be beautiful, you can date them... but your add a bunch of problem in a already difficult process... the main problem here was a common language, not really interesed in foreign men but more seeking simply a men ( 33 yo and never married... women biologic clock )... If you have already problem with city girls, don't try village girls...

C'est toi le barbu sur la photo?

[I/O]

Bruno  It's a bit crass hanging photos of your ex-girlfriend all over the internet.  Deer heads on the walls of the lobby are one thing bit this is a bit of poor form.

This thread should be killed.  It's about like pi$$ing on a fire to put it out.  Just slows it down a bit then it lights up again consuming the same material.

I/O

[Bruno]

Bruno  It's a bit crass hanging photos of your ex-girlfriend all over the internet.  Deer heads on the walls of the lobby are one thing bit this is a bit of poor form.

This thread should be killed.  It's about like pi$$ing on a fire to put it out.  Just slows it down a bit then it lights up again consuming the same material.

What is the problem ? I say nothing wrong about these ex-girlfriend... simply illustrate that Village girls can be beautifull, that same if they have not all the modern confort, they can have a coosy home...

I know the story from each photo, it is reality... I think that it is more bad from post photo of other and make comment of them... and seriously, several here don't post photo's but they are more bad with words... and what about the trip report with several picture of the women that men have date without success...

I have think that Australian was more open minded that American... seem that i was wrong...

And if you was enough long on these forum, you will know that these photo's was already posted long time before, when i was with these girls... it have not luck between them and me but it was not a problem... it is life... they are not trophy, they are not bad girls... they have simply choose a other way...

Open your mind and try to see over the female face on the picture... it illustrate village situation... and sorry, i have my history with JB, if i have a other meaning that him, i need to illustrate it, prove it... other i will be called a liar like it have happen in the past.

And finaly, who are you for try to rule these forum... Dan is the master here, he is helped by moderator in his task... only them can judge a post... judge if a topic need to be killed or not... if you don't like what i post, simply use the ignore function of the board...

[Bruno]

C'est toi le barbu sur la photo?

Non, c'est un prêtre orthodox... moi, je suis le photographe... et quand je vais en ex-USSR, je me coupe la barbe... la-bas, les femmes n'aiment pas la barbe au menton. 

[KenC]

Sorry Bruno,
But we all stand in judgement of your posts!  That's why I rarely read them!
KenC

[Turboguy]

I didn't know I was standing in judgement of your posts Bruno but if we "all" stand in judgement I find them most often helpful and informative.

[William3rd]

Bruno- keep doing what you are doing. The prior poster's opinion carries very little weight. You have proven your value many times over. I really have no idea why someone would have such an opinion given the volumes of content on this board. . . .

[Photo Guy]

Americans are not 'open minded'?   ...Some are, some aren't.
I like Bruno's adventurous personality, and I'd like him to post
more often, although his English is not easy to read.

[KenC]

I didn't know I was standing in judgement of your posts Bruno but if we "all" stand in judgement I find them most often helpful and informative.

Turbo,
We all stand in judgement of each other's posts is what I guess I meant to say.
KenC

[Turboguy]

I had better be careful of what I say today because I was driving back from Baltimore till 3:30 in the morning and my foggy mind is extra foggy today.

You are probably right KenC.  We do make judgements about each others posts and form impressions of the poster.  I see a lot of different personality types and really envision most of the posters as real people and not just words on a screen.   I do think it is fine for all of us to form judgements just no one should try to be judge, jury and executioner.   (That is a general statement and not aimed at you or anyone)

[I/O]

Maybe we shouldn't "Kill this thread" but perhaps someone would squeeze it tightly until it doesn't wriggle anymore?  That's not a suggestion, it's a plead.


I/O

[Gator]

I think Bruno offers a special perspective at times that evidently goes over some people's heads.

Back to the topic, and I hope this gives Texas Boar a definitive answer that Moscow women are perhaps his cup of tea (and to irritate those who protest past girl friends), two photos.

Is a Moscow woman high maintenance?  Here is Ms. Muscovite at the MOMA in the Big Apple.  She is thoroughly enjoying her visit to one of the finest collections of modern art in the world, and we now take a break for lunch at the Museum’s small cafe.  A simple cup of soup (but probably $6 there).  A salad is coming (RW love their salads).  Hair looking too good for a tourist day?  It is natural.  Note the fancy drink and designer bag.  Looks high maintenance?  The drink was a grape-cranberry.  The bag was $40 in Mexico, and she cherished it for three years until it wore out.  Her shirt did set me back, silk, Neiman Marcus (you do not want to know).  But she will take special care of it and wear it for a long time, repeatedly and proudly.  Some women are not high maintenance.  They just look good naturally.

What happens when you take Ms. Muscovite on a thrill ride at Universal studios and she gets soaked?  Destroys her high maintenance look?  She smiles!  (shhh! she would grab me by the gonads if she knew I posted this photo, and she has muscles).  Moscow women can be fun, a lot of fun!

You commented about wanting the "unexpected".  Like you, I find predictable to be tedious. Everyday she added something unexpected to my life and interests.  An intelligent, energetic, adventurous woman will do that. 

Do not let the hyped stereotype dissuade you, Texas Boar.  Good women are everywhere; it is your job to find them and woo them.  If you are traveling this summer, you better get on your horse soon.

[Sting23]

Do you guys notice a difference between the big city and small town women?  Their attitudes towards foreign men and how receptive they are to a relationship?

I was just in Moscow recently for a period of time.  I talked to women who were from small towns and then moved to Moscow, it seems they adapted to the fast paced life and almost all said they wouldn't move back, it would be too boring.  Many also do not consider living in a foreign country, they are content to be in Russia.

So I had some nice dates but nothing serious as they had no intention of leaving Russia.

[JayH]

Welcome to the real world !!

[msmob]

Do you guys notice a difference between the big city and small town women?  Their attitudes towards foreign men and how receptive they are to a relationship?

I was just in Moscow recently for a period of time.  I talked to women who were from small towns and then moved to Moscow, it seems they adapted to the fast paced life and almost all said they wouldn't move back, it would be too boring.  Many also do not consider living in a foreign country, they are content to be in Russia.

So I had some nice dates but nothing serious as they had no intention of leaving Russia.

Moscow is THE place in Russia to 'get on' ..  If the lasses you met are goal-orientated career-wise ( either single or single-Mums)  - then Moscow will be THE place for them - unless you are bringing something special to the table ))  I'm thinking of 20-30 somethings here

However,

My partner lived in Moscow for 17 years and wouldn't move back there. We have younger 20-30 somethings who go there  - make or break there - and are happy to 'exist' in a regional city with a much nicer climate after the experience ))

My eldest daughter has lived in rural places until Uni years and adores the London 'scene' .. 

I think the difference in attitude might change if they are FAMILY orientated - in FSU countries that means marriage.

Moscowvites with money can get Schengen Visas - easily - see Europe and return to Moscow - where they can earn 'big' money and live in small, high-rise apartments and find that is great...   

I'd never want to live in a big city like Moscow or London...  just to visit ...  You just need to find a like-minded partner...

My Russian ex-wife - well nearly ex- had this thing about London - to the extent that when we parted - she went to live/ work in London .... She now feels like me and moved back to the place she said was 'boring' ))

It is SO important to find someone with similar life views - not someone you hope will 'change their mind' ....

[drsecu]

Do you guys notice a difference between the big city and small town women?  Their attitudes towards foreign men and how receptive they are to a relationship?

I was just in Moscow recently for a period of time.  I talked to women who were from small towns and then moved to Moscow, it seems they adapted to the fast paced life and almost all said they wouldn't move back, it would be too boring.  Many also do not consider living in a foreign country, they are content to be in Russia.

So I had some nice dates but nothing serious as they had no intention of leaving Russia.

Meeting girls "in the wild" anywhere will mostly net ones that want to stay where they are.

[Trenchcoat]

Interesting that the Muscovite girls you met had no intention of leaving Russia Sting. The last girl I was with was from Kherson, in Ukraine a town/small City that was provincial and from what I've seen online & heard is not very pretty save for a few small areas or exciting place to live - a light industrial port area, Soviet tower blocks & the rest. Anyway she wanted to move from there, the problem was as I later found was that this seemed to be such a priority for her, seemingly more so than me or even her family - when asked if she would miss them she just shrugged it off and stated it is part off the situation of moving abroad. I think she was only somewhat close to her mother (but did not live with her only visited) & little nephew, but her relative indifference still surprised me. To me I generally got the impression that she would either go for a career (what she was lacking - she worked in retail - due to the area she was in though well qualified) or a guy that was really wealthy. I cared not to be a mule so the relationship ended up going no further. Possibly I might have gotten her wrong but her refusal to meet unless it was in the UK did not bode well from my perspective.

With hindsight being in a position where you have an independent source of income that will allow you to live over there for a while, however modest would have been a better place for me to be in. I reckon once you are in a relationship with a girl a while and she gets to know you & the area you live in she may change her mind. From her perspective a guy that shows up for a week & wants to totally turn her life upside down and move her to somewhere she has little clue about has is likely to shock her. I also wonder if the girls you met if any were that into you - with anyone there is usually only a certain percentage of woman that are, and some who may fake being into you to get what they want. 2tallbill has said to me in the past that the right woman will follow you anywhere and to me that sounds good advice.

[BC]

Oh definitely go for the sweet, young, innocent, beautiful small village girl.

She’ll be much more domesticated, ain’t nowhere to go in a muddy old village but the living room anyway. Just getting in a car is a treat for ‘em and even your 10 year old gas guzzling clunker will be admired like a NYC stretch limo.

Little stuff goes a lot further, and will git you a lot more luvin. Forget jewelry, flowers and all that expensive stuff.  Your village bathtub oriented bride will be absolutely thrilled with things like washing machines and dishwashers. Will make her much happier and you probably have these already. Huge BANG for zero bucks.  You'll seem a lot smarter explaining how all this complicated stuff works too.

Flip the mattress and get a nice new mattress cover instead of buying a new one. You’ll save a couple hundred and be able to afford a cleaning service before she arrives with enough left for some beer while you wait. Same for the old couches.  It's what she's used to anyway and you can pay off the airline tickets and credit cards faster.  Throw rugs are ok for the carpet spots that can't be cleaned.

Once you git her home be ready for THE grand emotional moment with an extra handful tissues. A true, shiny white sit down flush toilet with seat!!  Expect a slight increase in the water bill tho, she’ll wanna watch that perfect water swirl over and over, for weeks on end. Amazing how easy she’ll stay entertained with this alone. Simply magic.

Don’t worry about cleaning up the backyard too awful much.  She’ll be pleased enough there ain’t no chickens, goats n pigs running about doing their business.  Have her take off her shoes and feel some real grass to walk around in..  Will be heaven on earth.  If you’re out shopping together and she looks too long at shoes, just remind her of the lovely barefoot feeling.  Will save a few bucks for a while.

Make sure you give her the smallest closet, it’ll make that suitcase or two she brought with her seem like a lot more than it really is and won’t be too much room left over for new stuff.

Ask your internet provider to activate the kiddie website protection, then add other sites to the banned list.. ya know, sites like amazon.com  Drop your cable TV plan to the lowest, absolute minimum level or get an internet only plan and be happy with over the air channels.  Less advertising, less desire to buy. 

She’ll wanna go shopping, so hit the low-end places for the first month or two and graduate sloooowly up to the mid and then higher end stores. Dollar store, then Walmart, then Target etc. By the time you get to the higher end stores she’ll already have cupboards full of stuff as she already bought a cheap one of ‘this and that’ and won’t need another.  She’ll have an overall longer, happier shopping experience that way too.  Same with dining out.. fast food, then all you can eat buffet, by the time you get to the fancier sit down, waiter served restaurants she’ll be watching her weight and order salad instead of expensive steak.  Might even start mowing the lawn for ya.. get a good list of how many calories this and that chore burns off, stick it on the full length mirror.

Get a couple of the low-end store shopping discount cards, ya know the ones you just sign up for and hand over to the cashier to swipe.  Hand ‘em out one at a time over a couple months.  It’ll feed that desire for plastic.  Real cards can come later progressively, freebies, debit then credit.  If you’re driving thru town and she sees a new store, just shrug and ask ‘we have a card?’ by the time she’s finished looking it’ll be too late to stop. Start paying all cash instead and leave your cards at home hidden somewhere, when the ‘green’ is gone it’s time to go home. It’s the ‘system’ she’s already used to.

Remember to compliment her on her hair and how much you like longer, naturally growing hair.  Same for ‘natural’ nails and ‘natural’ no makeup look, clothes too… ’natural’ is always good for the pocketbook.

Stick with one car for a long while, just say you want to spend quality time together and hold her hand.. after all that is what automatic transmissions are for.  If you can trade down to a bench type front seat and keep the A/C on turned way down even in winter.  Will be more like home and will want to snuggle more. If she starts hinting about having her own car, get really emotional, like almost tears and sniffles.. tell her how lonely you will feel if she has her own car.  Always comment on current news.. ya know people getting mugged, raped and shot out there alone. Mention that all that won’t happen if you’re there to protect her.

Finally, remember all this is quite temporary, a few years down the road she’ll morph into a big city girl anyway. Can’t be avoided. When she starts realizing and complaining about how you handled her ‘integration’ calling it abuse or such, just tell her you were "just helping her to get the most out of this new experience in a loving, well-intentioned way".  By this time, love and sex will have waned, and she'll likely have already fallen in love with that young, good-looking lawyer down the street anyway.  The divorce court judge just might buy that line too and cut you some slack.

Yours truly,
Jester

[Sting23]

Jester you seem jaded, I hope you don't speak from experience!

Trench, I'm not like the typical guy here.  I was living and working in Moscow. I didn't just go over for a week or 2.  The women I met were through real life encounters not online.  Usually Russian friends' social circles.  And I'm young enough that the women I talked to are mid 20's-30's.  So it gave me insight as to how they thought.  Many had proper jobs in big Russian companies.  Not all were born in Moscow but came here for work.

Interesting, alot of what I saw were foreigners who worked in Russia, found a wife and ended up living there permanently.  Quite a few actually. They were raising their families in Moscow as opposed to going back to the guy's home country.  Perhaps the guy had fewer job prospects at home.

I think to find a girl who is set on moving abroad can be arduous.  You need to ask them directly what their life goals are.

[BC]

Jester you seem jaded, I hope you don't speak from experience!

Naa..  Just always wanted to write something like that when a city vs village threads start

Take your time and find a girl that you love and loves you regardless where she comes from.  That's the only 'system' that'll work out well in the end and a tough enough task in itself.  Dating is dating regardless where you happen to be, just a lot more expensive and time-consuming in another country.  Can only suggest not trying to skip that important part of forming a relationship.

[Sting23]

Naa..  Just always wanted to write something like that when a city vs village threads start

Take your time and find a girl that you love and loves you regardless where she comes from.  That's the only 'system' that'll work out well in the end and a tough enough task in itself.  Dating is dating regardless where you happen to be, just a lot more expensive and time-consuming in another country.  Can only suggest not trying to skip that important part of forming a relationship.

Wise words, if there's a will there's a way.

[ML]

I have written this before, but . . .

I am somewhat lucky in having a wife who grew up in small town, went to University in medium town, and lived many years in Kyiv.

As result, she likes to work in garden, can get dirty as all get-out . . . and then can transform into into classy dresser who understands concerts, ballet, can discuss various painting styles, is comfortable in fine restaurants and can carry on a high level discussion on many topics . . . not to mention teaching multivariable calculus and differential equations and being a lot smarter than me.

[BillyB]

  Many also do not consider living in a foreign country, they are content to be in Russia.

So I had some nice dates but nothing serious as they had no intention of leaving Russia.

These girls dated you knowing you live somewhere else? They may not leave their country or city for another country or city but they may leave if they meet the right man. I think they dated you to see if you're the right man. Can't win them all.

[Sting23]

These girls dated you knowing you live somewhere else? They may not leave their country or city for another country or city but they may leave if they meet the right man. I think they dated you to see if you're the right man. Can't win them all.

Yes, they knew I was a foreigner by how I spoke English, but they considered me more an an expat who just happened to work in Moscow.

So these were not dates like what you guys are doing, corresponding with the woman for months on end before finally meeting in person.  Some of them I just met and asked out, so low expectations.  It would be like normal dating back home.

I did become friends with some who are dead set on finding a foreign guy and living abroad.  I just ain't the right guy for them.  Some of them have flown to another country to meet a guy they just talked to online..Kind of like what many if you are doing here, but in reverse!  So girls do chase and will go to great lengths for love also.