Big City Women vs. Village Girls

[Michelangelo]

It's not up to the girl,,, it's up to what you, as a man, are capable of dealing with.  If you are only capable of small town thnking,,, admit it and move on.  Big city woman may be more than you can handle.

I had lunch today with the only billionaire I know, in his small Texas town of 27,000.   He's personal buddies with W, Ross, and lots of other men who rule the world.  But he chooses to live in a small town, forgoing places like NY or even Dallas.
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Small town thinking is not small at all....Once again, it's not the city, it's the girl.

BTW- Yes, I like Kiev better than Moscow.  But Moscow is fine, and so were the girls there.  My aggravation with this strand is  the position by some that you have a lesser girl if she is not from Moscow..This is simply incorrect, and shows a misguided bias...

[Michelangelo]

 My top search priority was always about character.

  Character knows no geographic boundaries, and not borne of cultural upbringing. It's disheartening to see an urban FSU woman
tried and hung by virtue of her classiness; I am equally bothered when a provincial FSU woman (or her suitor for that matter) is
labeled a lower rung on someone else's ladder.

  The only insecurities I notice here: the tendencies to get defensive about, or to subtly assault, the woman's dignity.

  I suggest all "newbies" take the convictions as espoused here very lightly in your decision where to search. Go for character - be it in Moscow, St Petersburg, Izhevsk or some burg in Ukraine that nobody's heard of.

  Sophistication? I was married to Ms. Sophistication for nineteen and a half years. It wasn't at all what some here are claiming. Go for character above all.

Great post, Vaughn.   

Both big city & village girls can have character.  Therefore, newbies, look beyond Moscow.  For as Vaughn says, character is the key.  And BTW-you will find sophistication in both small villages and mega cities.  Like character, it has no boundaries....

[KenC]

Great post, Vaughn.   

Both big city & village girls can have character.  Therefore, newbies, look beyond Moscow.  For as Vaughn says, character is the key.  And BTW-you will find sophistication in both small villages and mega cities.  Like character, it has no boundaries....

Sorry Michelangelo,
By definition and by the logic of the possibilities you are wrong here regarding sophistication.  How in the world can you say that anyone raised in the primitive villages as shown above could have an equal opportunity to be as sophisticated as someone in Moscow, Kiev or any other major city?  I am not saying better just addressing sophistication.  Can you find a sophisticated woman in a small town?  Probably, but the likelyhood is less likely that the bigger cities. 
You guys keep thinking that there is an attack here when there is none.  Use the US as an example.  Sophistication and culture are not associated with Beaver Falls, PA, but with New York City, Boston, San Francisco, Chicago.  Does it make the women better being from those large cities?  No, only different from women in the smaller burgs. 

I don't know what your example of a billionaire living in a small town has to do with any of this because rich doesn't equate to better, cultured or sophisticated in any way that I see.

This thread has outlived it's usefulness as far as I see.  We have the guys that have wives, fiancee's or former girlfriends from small cities acting all indignant because some of us are pointing out the differences when the important thing is to have your woman match your own personal lifestyle.  I think that it would not be a good idea for a man living a sophisticated, cultured lifestyle to be beating the bushes in a rural village as was shown in the photos.  Although, I think it would be a more difficult for a Moscovite to adjust to living on a ranch in Montana for example.  I see Groov bringing his fiancee from Moscow to NY City as a rather seamless move in this regard and still wonder how jb pulled off bringing a woman of Etna's background to Corpus Christi.  What really skews out thinking is that RW in general are more cultured and sophisticated than any woman we could find here anywhere.
KenC

[I/O]

I think that it would not be a good dea for a man living a sophisticated, cultured lifestyle to be beating the bushes in a rural village as was shown in the photos.  Although, I think it would be a more difficult for a Moscovite to adjust to living on a ranch in Montana for example.  KenC

Which simply bares out the point I made a few threads aside, before my curiosity was missunderstood and started all this nonsense.  Of course any woman from any of the major cities in the world including Moscow can make it in a smaller town or city.  In some ways, I wouldn't be surprised if that bridge may be easier crossed than the other.  Obviously, at least one member here has proved that to be true. 

I think that some guys should look outside the major cities, yes there it is plain for all to see. But for exactly the same reasons as has been outlined by KenC.  A spoiled brat could exist anywhere including a village or a major city.  A person of class and distinction can be found anywhere including the boonie's.  But it is most likely that a person of "Social Sophistication" will be found in an area where that can be cultured.  Of course that is more likely to be the major cities.  Just remember, "Nothing is a Given" either way.

I suspect "Social Sophistication" and "Natural Class"have been largely confused throughout this thread and it has become like plowing a 1000 acre field with a 10' implement.  Going around and around in never decreasing circles.

I/O 

[Jet]

David,
You're missing the point entirely. What I said I agreed with was "I'm simply saying there is nothing wrong with Moscow either". Nowhere did I mention level of sophistication, but now that you bring it up...

So a lady hails from a big city, enjoys art and foreign cuisine is sofisticated yet a lady from a village who makes her own clothes and cooks what little they have to eat is not sofisticated.

Absolutely 100% true 

Maybe true but that sofistication or lack there of has nothing to with being a good wife or of good character.

Character I'll agree with to a point but only to a point, as depth of character is formed by life experience.

My father grew up in a genuine village in the Catskill mountains. The cows outnumbered the people by about 14 to 1. There were 12 kids in his HS graduating class and all grades were taught under the same small roof. He he still developed an absolutely sterling code of personal ethics, yet was by all measures, completely UN sophisticated. My mother grew up in NYC and was the picture of sophistication. They met when they were 17/14 and although mom thought dad was quite handsome, she had some real reservations about any possible long term compatibility. They met again 10 years later, after Dad had been in the Navy, travelled the States and the world, lived in the City and traded the dairy farm for a job with an up-and-coming little company called IBM. They've been happily married ever since. Mom will be the first to tell you that had Dad decided to stay on the farm, they'd never have had a chance.

[Michelangelo]

I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with, Ken.  Your posts seem to be saying the same thing I am expousing: sophistication can occur in any city, regardless of size, in both the US and the FSU. I agree that the numbers are higher in Moscow than Dnepr or Tver, but guys can find quality girls in those two cities, as we both know.  My post was in response to Momus who wrote it would be difficult for him to look outside of Moscow. BTW- I'm not writing about "primitive villages."  Dnepr and Tver are not primitive. Zhitomir is not either.  Also, the FSU is ripe with universities, which are instruments toward "sophistication." I'll continue to say the character of the girl is the most important factor to me.

Sorry Michelangelo,
By definition and by the logic of the possibilities you are wrong here regarding sophistication.  How in the world can you say that anyone raised in the primitive villages as shown above could have an equal opportunity to be as sophisticated as someone in Moscow, Kiev or any other major city? I quoted Kiev and Zhitomir, not a primitive village.  BTW- the most sophisticated girl I dated was not from Moscow, but from Zhaporozzia Ukraine I am not saying better just addressing sophistication.  Can you find a sophisticated woman in a small town?  Probably, but the likelyhood is less likely that the bigger cities.  I agree with this point; and my experience is that there are sophisticated women in towns of 300,000 in the FSU.  I'm not sure what a "small village" is, so I can't speak to that.
You guys keep thinking that there is an attack here when there is none.  Use the US as an example.  Sophistication and culture are not associated with Beaver Falls, PA, but with New York City, Boston, San Francisco, Chicago. I have not been to Beaver Falls, but to nearby Pittsburg.  The culture is very strong in Pittsburg.  In fact, using the textbook definition of culture, small places have amazing culture.  Sophistication in Beaver Falls? I'll let you take that up with their chamber of commerce LOL Does it make the women better being from those large cities?  No, only different from women in the smaller burgs. 

I don't know what your example of a billionaire living in a small town has to do with any of this because rich doesn't equate to better, cultured or sophisticated in any way that I see.Hmmm...That was exactly my point in responding to a poster who was "knocking" small towns.  My point was that small towns have all kinds of people.

This thread has outlived it's usefulness as far as I see.  We have the guys that have wives, fiancee's or former girlfriends from small cities acting all indignant because some of us are pointing out the differences when the important thing is to have your woman match your own personal lifestyle.  I agree, the match is what is important.  But I think you can take a girl from a city of 300,000 in the FSU and she can make it in NY or LA or Chicago~ FSU girls are very adaptable.  They have to be to make the move to the US, no matter what the city, and your example of Etna proves this point.I think that it would not be a good idea for a man living a sophisticated, cultured lifestyle to be beating the bushes in a rural village as was shown in the photos.  Although, I think it would be a more difficult for a Moscovite to adjust to living on a ranch in Montana for example.  I see Groov bringing his fiancee from Moscow to NY City as a rather seamless move in this regard and still wonder how jb pulled off bringing a woman of Etna's background to Corpus Christi.  What really skews out thinking is that RW in general are more cultured and sophisticated than any woman we could find here anywhere.
KenC

I really don't have strong feelings about this thread, so I will shut up.  My responses were directed toward the posters who seemed to be advising newbies not to look beyond Moscow.

[Gator]

KenC wrote,

What really skews out thinking is that RW in general are more cultured and sophisticated than any woman we could find here anywhere.

This is inculcated in them at a young age by their schooling and their parents. 

still wonder how jb pulled off bringing a woman of Etna's background to Corpus Christi.

I have never talked to JB about this, but I see several possible explanations:

-  Both JB and Etna are matched very well intellectually
-  Etna landed a job as a professor which helps to fulfill her scientific interests
-  Etna is probably interested in all aspects of life and probably takes pleasure in the happenings of CC
-  Etna enjoys warm weather
-  Etna is at an age where she wants to relax a little (this was important in my decision to go with an older woman).
-  Two people in love can create anywhere a special little world that no one is allowed to enter.
-  JB has game
-  if she needs to shop for something special, Houston is not far away
-  I imagine CC imports some interesting events on occasion   
-  Somehow this compensates for not being able to go to the Bolshoi,

My little Muscovite really enjoyed Tampa, preferring it over Dallas and San Francisco.   She thought Milwaukee was awful, and would never live there (her words).  While NYC did light up her eyes, she would have been contented in flying there every few months for $99 on Jet Blue.   As I stated earlier, she adjusted quickly to Florida summers and rode around like a Florida Cracker with no makeup and open windows.  Part of this adjustment are friends and my friends accepted her readily, made her feel comfortable, and showed her the in-crowd spots, whether the best hairdresser or the friendly bar.

[groovlstk]

It's unfortunate this thread has turned into an us vs. them sort of debate, I think it would be more useful for new guys to read about the differences in courting a big city girl vs. her smaller city sister. There are major differences, just as there are differences in courting agency girls vs. girls met via friends or by chance.

[TexasBoar]

It's unfortunate this thread has turned into an us vs. them sort of debate, I think it would be more useful for new guys to read about the differences in courting a big city girl vs. her smaller city sister. There are major differences, just as there are differences in courting agency girls vs. girls met via friends or by chance.

As a newbie, that's actually what I was asking, and most interested in getting some feedback on . . . the turf wars across the fault lines are entertaining, but not all that helpful.  Kudos to KenC for his first reply, which---unlike most of the thread, lol---did in fact respond to my questions.

~Boar

[KenC]

TB,
Thanks and you're right.  If one read my post and Turbos first post, they could stop right there.
KenC

[Bruce]

Ok, I'll give the origninal questions an independent stab................

1. How much does the dating protocol itself differ?
2. In what ways do the women's expectations regarding men differ?
3. In what ways might the women's adjustments to life here differ?
4. Does place of residence automatically make a woman one or the other?
5. Does degree of seriousness tend to differ between the two?

1.  Dating a big city girl vs a smaller city girl dating protocol should be pretty much the same.  Logistics to her city and around within her city may be different ie. Moscow you may travel to her by metro while in a small city you may go by a local minibus.  You may taxi to a location in either a small or big city.  Chances are you will pick a place close to where you are staying and she will come to you, though I would advocate you going to her (be the man, ideally).  In all actuality she may have to come to you if you are a true newbie initially.  You may meet at a local marriage agency.  I recommend a short meeting to talk, enjoy tea and or a light snack.  If there is interest you could plan a more elaborate meeting for the next date.  WMVM is the only approach I advocate.  A WOVO may have the girl meet him in the airport if he is really daring. 

2.  The more Westerners a woman has met +/- her friends or relatives have met the more likely she is to cut you less slack.  Chances are the big city girls have more suitors and local choices, hence they are more likely not to give you the benefit of the doubt that a smaller city girl may.  A second meeting very well could confirm or deny the initial thoughts which may or may not prove wrong upon a second conversation etc. 

3.  This depends on the girls upbring and level of education, though in general I would expect the bigger city girls to have more savvy and people knowledge. 

4.  I do not believe a place of residence automatically makes a woman a "big city girl" vs a "small city girl."  Character traits are the most important.  Again, more people knowledge, worldliness, savvy and emotional intelligence usually is associated with bigger city girls. 

5.  This again depends on the girls character, intentions and motivation.

Ok vultures, have fun flocking through, chewing and scattering some more direct answers to excellent questions.  This is a good thread albeit once we understand that true village girls are not a viable option for a Westerner.  The best comparison is big city vs smaller city as I tried to answer above.

[LEGAL]

What is problem, men? Big City Women vs. Village Girls.
Have you seen many village girls on the dating sites? Do village girls attack you with the English amorous letters writing it in cow-shed?
If somebody dreams to meet a real village girl he has to go to a Russian village. But this trip not for the nervous person. You should have enough courage.
Men, you write about some things knowing nothing.

Olga

[KenC]

Olga,
Sorry, my dear, but I think you are wrong here.  You must remember that this is a discussion forum for discussing the pursuit of a fsu wife.  There are many questions rolling around inside the minds of men entering into this process.  If you think the topic of the discussion is silly, please do not participate in it.  But also don't criticize the discussion or mock us for discussing it.

Your information and input here has been greatly appreciated, but your views are not necessarily the same as an AM's view of Russia or Russians.  There are many very experienced men here and it is their perception of what they experienced on their visits that is most relevant to other AM.
KenC

[LEGAL]

Ken I will reply first, many statements have been made in this thread by American men about Russian woman. I would like all of Russian the  wives to comment.



I think you don't want the men to understand the truth from a real Russian woman.
Criticize theres an understatement,
your statement do not participate. now you are attempting  censorship or control, freedom of speech Ken!!~ Remember the American way
Discussing it this is a discussion board remember.

Ken  semantical debate is what I see all the time on here. I see that in a court room everday the purpose here is to inform and exchange.

Ken I do like you and respect your opinion , I am to mad to write anymore. I am disappointed           OLGA HAS THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO HER OPINION AND TO EXPRESS IT LIKE THE REST OF YOU
LEGAL

[Photo Guy]

I think Olga is just making the point that very few men here at RWD have actually spent
some time in the small villages of the FSU, so how can they offer valid opinions about
those particular women? I'd like to hear from those guys who have had experiences in
the small villages. I'm curious- might be interesting.

[KenC]

I think Olga is just making the point that very few men here at RWD have actually spent
some time in the small villages of the FSU, so how can they offer valid opinions about
those particular women? I'd like to hear from those guys who have had experiences in
the small villages. I'm curious- might be interesting.

Photo,
That has already been discussed here adnausium, and I think we are now speaking about big/small city women and not "village" women.
KenC

[Photo Guy]

I'm sorry if you are feeling nauseous, Ken, but I'd like to learn more about the women in small villages. And let's drop the 'versus' mentality. I started a new thread...Small Villages...Maybe the topic will interest some people, maybe not. I'm curious about it.

[Turboguy]

Olga,
Sorry, my dear, but I think you are wrong here.  You must remember that this is a discussion forum for discussing the pursuit of a fsu wife.  There are many questions rolling around inside the minds of men entering into this process.  If you think the topic of the discussion is silly, please do not participate in it.  But also don't criticize the discussion or mock us for discussing it.

Your information and input here has been greatly appreciated, but your views are not necessarily the same as an AM's view of Russia or Russians.  There are many very experienced men here and it is their perception of what they experienced on their visits that is most relevant to other AM.
KenC

First off I have not seen a bit of agreement in the views of the American men so I welcome input from someone who knows Russia first hand especially a woman from there.

Second, some can read words as mocking others might read the same words as joking and trying to put a little fun and humor in an answer.   I am glad Olga posted and I liked what she said.   I agree with Legal, she has every right to post here and we need to get more input from the gals, particularly the women we are involved with. 

We haven't even decided for sure what a village is.   Is it N. Novgorod with a population of 2 million or Omsk or Vinittsa.   Frankly the limits of what we consider geographically is a personal decision.   I have been to the metropolises, the cities, the smaller cities and even the true villiages.   There are nice women everywhere.

[KenC]

Ken I will reply first, many statements have been made in this thread by American men about Russian woman. I would like all of Russian the  wives to comment.



I think you don't want the men to understand the truth from a real Russian woman.
Criticize theres an understatement,
your statement do not participate. now you are attempting  censorship or control, freedom of speech Ken!!~ Remember the American way
Discussing it this is a discussion board remember.

Ken  semantical debate is what I see all the time on here. I see that in a court room everday the purpose here is to inform and exchange.

Ken I do like you and respect your opinion , I am to mad to write anymore. I am disappointed           OLGA HAS THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO HER OPINION AND TO EXPRESS IT LIKE THE REST OF YOU
LEGAL

Where do you get these ideas from?  I don't see a bit of animosity in my post anywhere,
so get down off your soap box please.  I found Olga's post to be of a mocking tone and meant to belittle our conversations here and that does not promote an open discussion here.  Ironically, it makes small of our opinions and curtails free and open discussion here, which is exactly what you are accusing me of.

Something you might consider is that the Russia Olga knows so well, may not be the same one we AM visit on our trips too.  From what is written here, I get the impression that Olga was involved in some very high profile Arts & Theater projects, and the women we visit might not be from that social circle.  The opinions of men that have traveled to Russia and report their impressions here, should not be ridiculed and are a valid source of information for other men.  Olga's opinion too is valid but it is not omnipotent.

This is nothing to get so worked up over for sure.  BTW, it is very confusing to me to understand who is posting between you (legal) and Olga.  Have you ever thought about having separate accounts?
KenC

[LEGAL]

Dear KenC,
I will not argue with you because my woman pride and intelligent don't let me do it. There for I ignore your message to me with all my respect   To insist woman on silence it is typical male egoism and  
diseased male pride  


About woman character.
If a village girl wants to get the education and nice job and if she is smart to do it she will get it. The good manners and intelligence  are not cause and effect of high education or social status it is what the parents gives. And there is not difference between village or city woman.
You should remember, men, you will never  change a woman's character. If she  likes big party's and visits night clubs, drinks beer with salt fish, be ready for it. If she changes her sexual partners like gloves there is not guarantee she will not do it living with you and so on. But sometimes you can't  know about  these problems before marriage  
And there is not difference between village or city woman.


Olga
 



 
  

[KenC]

I'm sorry if you are feeling nauseous, Ken, but I'd like to learn more about the women in small villages. And let's drop the 'versus' mentality. I started a new thread...Small Villages...Maybe the topic will interest some people, maybe not. I'm curious about it.

Photo (funny guy),
Good idea!  Did you see the photos that Olga posted of a real villag up thread?
KenC

[LEGAL]

Ken first off! I thought to everyone when I sign LEGAL it is me.
Second when Olga sign's Olga its of course Olga.
Third if we are posting together we sign LEGAL and Olga.
Fourth we never thought about separate accounts because we are a married, we are one family,one heart and one sole.


Sincerely
LEGAL & Olga

[KenC]

Dear KenC,
I will not argue with you because my woman pride and intelligent don't let me do it. There for I ignore your message to me with all my respect   To insist woman on silence it is typical male egoism and  
diseased male pride  

Olga
 

Olga!,
Calm down.  This is not an argument.  This is a discussion.  Don't make it into an altercation it was never meant to be.  I am not trying to silence you and you being a woman has absolutely NOTHING to do with this.  I took your post as to say "silly boys talking about silly subjects they know nothing about".  Is that correct?  And my response was to say "if you find it so silly, don't read it and please don't call us silly."  That's it, that's all.  Nothing about you being a woman, freedom of speech, male ego or diseased male pride.  GEEEZ.
KenC

[KenC]

Ken I will reply first, many statements have been made in this thread by American men about Russian woman. I would like all of Russian the  wives to comment.



I think you don't want the men to understand the truth from a real Russian woman.
Criticize theres an understatement,
your statement do not participate. now you are attempting  censorship or control, freedom of speech Ken!!~ Remember the American way
Discussing it this is a discussion board remember.

Ken  semantical debate is what I see all the time on here. I see that in a court room everday the purpose here is to inform and exchange.

Ken I do like you and respect your opinion , I am to mad to write anymore. I am disappointed           OLGA HAS THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO HER OPINION AND TO EXPRESS IT LIKE THE REST OF YOU
LEGAL

So this was all your post, Legal?  Or was the first paragraph from Olga?
KenC

[Jumper]

we should  rename this thread the energizer bunny..


as its the the silly thread that just wont die